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A Clinton Counter Memo: "Strength And Experience"

24 Jul 2007 03:06 pm

To: Interested Parties

From: The Clinton Campaign

RE: Strength & Experience


There was an important moment in last night’s debate where Hillary Clinton distinguished herself and showed that she has the strength and experience to be the next President of the United States.

The two buzzwords: strength and experience. Again, note the forward lean /
in the direction
of the general
election.

Last night, a YouTube questioner asked: “In 1982, Anwar Sadat traveled to Israel, a trip that resulted in a peace agreement that has lasted ever since. In the spirit of that type of bold leadership, would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries?”

In response Barack Obama said: “I would. And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them -- which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration – is ridiculous.” [CNN Debate, 7/24/07]

Immediately following the debate, Obama’s top advisers sought to clarify their candidate’s comments. David Axelrod claimed Obama didn’t mean any such meetings would actually take place. “He said that he would be willing to talk,” Axelrod explained. “And what he meant was, as a government, he’d be willing and eager to initiate those kinds of talks, just as during the Cold War there were low-level discussions and mid-level discussions between us and the Soviet Union and so on. So he was not promising summits with all of those leaders.” [National Review, 7/24/07 ]

Never good to have an adviser say "what he meant was."

In response to the same question, Hillary Clinton said: “Well, I will not promise to meet with the leaders of these countries during my first year. I will promise a very vigorous diplomatic effort because I think it is not that you promise a meeting at that high a level before you know what the intentions are. I don't want to be used for propaganda purposes. I don't want to make a situation even worse. But I certainly agree that we need to get back to diplomacy, which has been turned into a bad word by this administration. And I will purse very vigorous diplomacy.

“And I will use a lot of high-level presidential envoys to test the waters, to feel the way. But certainly, we're not going to just have our president meet with Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez and, you know, the president of North Korea, Iran and Syria until we know better what the way forward would be. [CNN Debate, 7/24/07]

There is a clear difference between the two approaches these candidates are taking: Senator Obama has committed to presidential-level meetings with some of the world's worst dictators without precondition during his first year in office. Senator Clinton is committed to vigorous diplomacy but understands that it is a mistake to commit the power and prestige of America’s presidency years ahead of time by making such a blanket commitment.

If David Axelrod speaks for Obama (and I assume he does), then Obama and Hillary seem to want the same thing. But Obama himself couldn't articulate the position as well as his adviser did, and the Clinton campaign eagerly tries to take the advantage. This is a political problem: the candidate needs to say what he means.

Hillary’s performance last night underscored why she has the strength and experience to be our next President and was consistent with what she has done in the debates thus far, going back to the first one last April when she stood out with the response she gave when the candidates were asked how they would react to a terrorist attack.

Hearkening back to the first Dem debate (also in South Carolina) where Clinton answered the terrorist scenario question crisply and Obama emphasized recovery and response.

Answering the commander-in-chief question is the threshold for any presidential candidate because the essence of being president is knowing what to do when the unexpected happens. It’s knowing how to deal with rogue states that threaten America’s safety. It’s knowing how to end the war in a safe and responsible way.

Hillary Clinton is proving that she has the strength and experience to be President and to deliver the change Americans want.

Comments (23)

Bush opposes meeting with Iran and Syria until they renounce their nuclear ambitions and stop supporting terrorism. In other words, Bush opposes meetings until these countries have met certain substantive pre-conditions. Clinton, shockingly, endorsed the Bush approach last night. Obama would obviously impose some procedural pre-conditions to any meeting. But he fundamentally disagrees with the idea that American silence is an effective deterrent to bad behavior by rogue states.

We already knew that Clinton supported Bush's Iraq policy until the day she decided to run for President. But could it be true that she basically sides with his diplomatic approach in the Middle East as well?

And for the Clintonistas out there: did Bill Clinton and Madeline Albright seek substantive pre-conditions before sitting down with Arafat and Barak? If so, why weren't they able to work out a deal?

This is classic Clintonian - completely and utterly twist a perfectly reasonable response to make it look absurd. This is EXACTLY what Team Bush would have done, and did do to Kerry after every debate. Plus, citing Axelrod's off-the-cuff remarks, as if they are more meaningful than what Obama said himself, is more nonsense.

Just because Clinton says that Obama would meet with world leaders in an irresponsible way, doesn't make it true. But they are well-practiced in how to use the media to tell lies about their opponents.

I try to like Clinton. I really do. And then she pulls shit like this. Again.

I'm not sure what I hate more - this kind of stuff or her ceaseless pandering to any group that will have her. Now Wolfson is going on O'Reilly to defend dKos? What a joke.

Sadly, it'll probably work, too. Even a few less blistering posts from kos about Hillary would be a victory from their perspective.

I think this is where the intellectual capacity and his fore-sight of Obama is better than the backward change Sen. Clinton is proposing. The world in which we live today is very different from what we knew ten years ago. This is what Obama said before the war and he has done it again by offering a new way of thinking that it is a good idea to talk with those who disagree with you. What is the most important aspect of he president job?.

Here are few bench marks that will help you:
If you are old enough to remember, in the eighties, the Palestinians were fighting with rocks and sticks. Today, they are making deadly weapons and even missiles. The short man from North Korea has successfully tested over 7 long range missiles. Very soon he will have a nuclear bomb. Iran and China are secretly building missiles to destroy our satellite systems in space. China has repeatedly successfully tested their technology. In about a year Iran will have nuclear bomb.

The most important task any American president faces today is how to deal with these small minded dictators. In their countries, they are like gods and they do not give a damn whether an American president speaks to them or not. One year is too much time. We can not afford to have a nuclear Iran. You can send Sec. Rice a million times to nicely dress in red, smile and to wave her hand a million times - you are not going to get anything done. By the time if Sen. Clinton is elected president and sends Albright to go on the plane and wave her hands like Sec. Rice for a complete year while she sits in D.C. fighting Republicans, it will be too late. I was very pleased to for the first time hear clarity on how to deal with the problems we now have in our changed world come from Obama.

President Bush refused to meet with the most respected human being alive today (Nelson Mandela) because Mr. Mandela, a visionary man said the invasion of Iraq was a grave mistake. How noble it would have looked if President Bush met with Mr. Mandela when he visited South Africa.

I hope you understand the reason why we now desperately need change instead of the same old, same old ideological thinking that is taking us backward

I think this is where the intellectual capacity and his fore-sight of Obama is better than the backward change Sen. Clinton is proposing. The world in which we live today is very different from what we knew ten years ago. This is what Obama said before the war and he has done it again by offering a new way of thinking that it is a good idea to talk with those who disagree with you. What is the most important aspect of he president job?.

Here are few bench marks that will help you:
If you are old enough to remember, in the eighties, the Palestinians were fighting with rocks and sticks. Today, they are making deadly weapons and even missiles. The short man from North Korea has successfully tested over 7 long range missiles. Very soon he will have a nuclear bomb. Iran and China are secretly building missiles to destroy our satellite systems in space. China has repeatedly successfully tested their technology. In about a year Iran will have nuclear bomb.

The most important task any American president faces today is how to deal with these small minded dictators. In their countries, they are like gods and they do not give a damn whether an American president speaks to them or not. One year is too much time. We can not afford to have a nuclear Iran. You can send Sec. Rice a million times to nicely dress in red, smile and to wave her hand a million times - you are not going to get anything done. By the time if Sen. Clinton is elected president and sends Albright to go on the plane and wave her hands like Sec. Rice for a complete year while she sits in D.C. fighting Republicans, it will be too late. I was very pleased to for the first time hear clarity on how to deal with the problems we now have in our changed world come from Obama.

President Bush refused to meet with the most respected human being alive today (Nelson Mandela) because Mr. Mandela, a visionary man said the invasion of Iraq was a grave mistake. How noble it would have looked if President Bush met with Mr. Mandela when he visited South Africa.

I hope you understand the reason why we now desperately need change instead of the same old, same old ideological thinking that is taking us backward

I never thought I'd hear myself say this but Hillary Clinton acts and sounds like nothing more than a stiff suit. Does anyone else happen to notice her lack of passion and complete arrogance? Aren't "We The People" tired of Bush, Clinton, Bush yet?

Obama is scary. He reminds of a democratic version George W. Bush. He lacks intelligentual curiosity, arrogant and full of ego. This guy is completely unelectable in general election.

I would begin diplomatic discussions with those countries with whom we have differences to try to figure out what is the depth of those differences." Senator Clinton in Iowa, 2007.

Last night she said she wouldnt talk with our enemies, a couple months ago she said she would. She wasnt distinguished in the youtube debate, she was just changing her opinions once again. As for Obama, saying that Iran and Syria will be needed when Iraq collapses made no sense. Syria provides a huge % of the suicide bombers to Iraq and Iran provides materials for bombs. They are the reason Iraq might collapse.

Its worth noting Clinton's distortion both in the debate and in the memo. The question asked if the candidate would be willing to engage in a certain type of diplomacy. Obama said he would be willing. Clinton said she would not promise to engage in such diplomacy, and acted as if that was somehow a sharp disagreement with Obama.

Ambinder, the only reason Axelrod had to clarify was because Clinton (and then Toobin, in the post-debate "analysis") totally misrepresented what he said. He committed to meeting with Chavez as much as Clinton committed to accepting the minimum wage as President...which is to say, he didnt' commit at all. But the whole criticism of his statement hinges on the understanding that he did commit to that, and the whole clarification by Axelrod was reaffirming that he did not commit to that...which should've been obvious to anyone who watched only the question and Obama's answer.

Comments from Clinton in February town hall meeting in New Hampshire:

"What we need is a president who will reach out to the rest of the world and make it very clear — the cowboys are gone. You don't refuse to talk to bad people. I think life is filled with uncomfortable situations where you have to deal with people you might not like. I'm sort of an expert on that. I have consistently urged the president to talk to Iran and talk to Syria. I think it's a sign of strength, not weakness."

Sounds like Clinton is drifting more toward a Bush-like stance on not speaking with mean dictators like Ahmedinejad, who just happened to have attained power through popular election. Democracy is only good if we like you.

This unprovoked attack by Clinton - after a debate everyone agrees was Obama's best so far - is precisely the reason the leading candidates become "careful." Another kiss-of-death term in the media. Every word has to be uttered just-so, otherwise you're left open to... unprovoked attacks.

She's trying to deck her opponent, as she promised to do. We'll see if she succeeds.

Hillary's response to the question was precisely what I wanted to hear from someone vying for the position of Commander in Chief.

How many times do we have to hear Axelrod cover up for Obama after the fact? You know, I don't like to go negative on Obama because I happen to like the man; but there is NO way he is as ready to be President as Hillary is. The Obama machine has presented Obama to the public as the candidate of change but for the love of God, let's not forget about competence.

Obama has trouble in debates - he has shown weaknesses in every single debate. Are we to believe he can go up against Giuliani? Good grief.

Enough with the celebrity from Illinois.

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Hillary is going to be elected because she is the best qualified and will be an superb president.

Obama was stating what he would do. Hillary only said what she wouldn't do. Some of the countries mentioned have been problems since before I was born. Maintaining the current policy won't change anything. The Clintons were in power before ... Osama bin Laden was a problem then and he's a problem now, Cuba was a problem then and he's looking to be a problem until his last breath, Iran was a problem all through the Clinton administration and it's still a problem. North Korea became more powerful during the Clinton adminstration, and didn't they give nuclear secrets to the Chinese? Obama is offering a change, Hillary is offering the status quo.

Clinton has said that she won't talk with the dictatorships of the Iranian theocracy and Syria but in the past she has said she would. Her current position makes more sense. Iran and Syria could care less about the Iraqi people. They never stood up for them when they were being massacred by Hussein and continue to support violence against the civilians in Iraq. T

As for claims that Iran's president is democratically elected. It is important to note that he was really appointed by mullahs and the Iranian population is not really on his side. Look at the election results. He didnt even get first place.

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