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Romney Wore Makeup; Film At Eleven

17 Jul 2007 11:15 am

I tend to agree with Glenn Greenwald, with a caveat: John Edwards's haircut was a valid story to cover, although its impact and signifiance were magnified beyond reason and sanity.

But learning that Mitt Romney's face powdered is akin to learning that George W. Bush likes to get theraputic back rubs.

The Politico found a neat little item in Mitt Romney's second quarter disclosure forms -- $300 he spent on make-up in advance of television debates. It's kind of funny for a half a second -- man wears make-up, ha-ha. $300 is close to $400, which is what John Edwards spent on a haircut.

Why doesn't John Edwards's hair equal Mitt Romney's face paint?

The primary difference is definitional: The centerpiece of Edwards's campaign is his anti-poverty efforts; he presents himself as a dedicated messenger for the cause, and he likes expensive haircuts, bought a gimungous house, etc. etc. His credibility as a messenger comes into question when he spends money ostentatiously. (The haircut was inadvertently billed to the campaign, a spokesman later said).

There is a difference in the political reality: fairly or unfairly, a healthy chunk of the national political press corps doesn't like John Edwards.

Fairly or unfairly, there's also a difference in narrative timing: when the first quarter ended, the press was trying to bury Edwards. It's not so much interested in burying Romney right now -- many reporters think he's the Republican frontrunner.

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His credibility as a messenger comes into question when he spends money ostentatiously.

Why?

One of the worst post I've read.

"he presents himself as an ideal messenger for the cause."

Proof for this, please.

"His credibility as a messenger comes into question when he spends money ostentatiously."

This is a tautology. Your arguing that it's okay to question his credbility because his credibility comes into question.

"when the first quarter ended, the press was trying to bury Edwards. It's not so much interested in burying Romney right now -- many reporters think he's the Republican frontrunner."

Hunh? The press doesn't want to go after a frontrunner. Maybe so, but please explain.

And why, for that matter, doesn't the press like Edwards? Why does it throw praise at billonaires like Warren Buffet who are concerned about inequality but attempt to bury Edwards?

How does Edwards' credibility as a messenger come into question because he spends money ostentatiously? This is the justification that almost everyone has given, but I don't think it is defensible. Does he have to be poor to care about poverty? Does he have to pretend to be poor?

It also really sounds like you are defending the press corps for their dislike of Edwards and consequent slanting of news against him. When you said "fairly or unfairly," do you think that both of those are actually possibilities?

OK, so if the press corps is trying to bury Edwards why doesn't it ask questions with more substance? There are legit questions to ask of Edwards (his explanations for the IWR vote don't quite square with the votes on the amendments; if poverty is his life's cause, why the vote for the Bankruptcy Bill of 2001, why the vote against a Paul Wellstone amendment that would've created a safe haven for families who go bankrupt because of medical bills), but the national press corps focuses on haircuts!

It's a rather counter-productive way to bury a legitimate candidate, at least with the Democratic primary faithful.

You aren't the first DC type journalist I've asked this question of, but I've never gotten a decent answer.

Other questions I'd love answers to:
1. How has Hillary's experience (dating all the way back to 1993 when Bill started his presidency) helped her in the Senate? How did her experience inform her vote in 2002 for the IWR? Why didn't she defer to the very experienced Bob Graham?
2. Why do people like Obama? I'm refering to the ordinay voter, not political junkies like me. I refuse to leave it at "they just do."
3. Re: the inexperienced narrative about Obama, I've yet to see very much exploration about his thought process. The Des Moines Register editorial board meeting brought some of Obama's thought process to light. At this meeting, Obama sounded like he had 1000x the experience HRC had in 02. Why don't we hear more about how any of the candidates come to the conclusions they've come to on various pieces of legislation? There's a focus on campaign contributions, but there should be more of a focus on the candidate's explanations. Why don't reporters try to get beyond the talking points?
4. How has Romney not been tagged with the flip-flopper label in the way John Kerry was? I haven't yet seen one nightly news story about this, despite the growing YouTube library on Romney's finger in the wind politics. He's worse on this than 99.9% of politicians, which is saying something.
5. Why has the media not explored Giuliani's failures of leadership? There are many. Bloomberg is more popular than Giuliani among New Yorkers... why?
6. Giuliani and Romney have been caught getting the facts really wrong about the Muslim world. Where's the media questioning whether they're ready to be president? Could they be effective if they only look like they know what they're talking about as opposed to actually knowing something about the world?
7. Why is it that the Republican field has been allowed to get away with absolutely no major plans or initiatives? I've heard health care plans from Obama and Edwards. I've heard about urban policy from Obama and rural policy from Edwards. Clinton has talked about pre-K education. Dodd and Richardson have energy polity out. Now the plans and initiatives from the Dem candidates haven't gotten half the coverage that they should've gotten, but they've got them. It's awfully silent on the other side of the aisle.

Marc,

That's a pretty stunning confession about how our political press corps. operates.

"when the first quarter ended, the press was trying to bury Edwards"

What ever happened to fair, objective reporting? It saddens me to see the state we're in with our media.

I've got to start making bumperstickers:

Annoy the Media: Elect Edwards

So Franklin Roosevelt must have been a HUGE hypocrite. He had plenty of family money but he tried to help the poor...oh and his many houses were real big...and he didn't have to worry about money in retirement but he wanted to pass some law to enact Social Security. It really should have undercut "his credibility as a messenger," right?

This:

John Edwards's haircut was a valid story to cover,

and this:

the press was trying to bury Edwards

point to the depravity of political coverage these days. It was a valid story because he's an antipoverty campaigner? Why doesn't the press point out the stupidity of this "hypocrisy" issue? If he took a vow of poverty and wore a hairshirt, he'd never ever get elected. So by this line of thinking, any candidate is going to be hypocritical.

And since many pundits on TV and in print have been drooling over the "manliness" of various Republican candidates, the no doubt deafening silence on Mitt ("shoulders like a 747") Romney just compounds the stupidity of the coverage.

"Fairly or unfairly" ... I think the answer, in both cases, is quite obviously "unfairly." This isn't just "the way things are." Members of the press have proven, time and time again, that they decide to "like" or "dislike" candidates for shallow and stupid reasons, and that they let this affect their coverage (see: Election 2000). And you freely admit that emphasis on certain stories is based on whether the press is "interested" in "burying" someone. Things shouldn't be this way!

So you claim the Edwards haircut issue has saliency precisely because of "he presents himself as an ideal messenger for the cause" (which is a purely subjective judgment) but then go on to acknowledge that the press corps disdains Edwards and desires to bury him?

The story has legitimacy, albeit momentarily, to examine whether or not there is any true hypocracy or dissonance at work when measuring the man against the message-- but the problem is there is no true hypocracy, Edwards' words do not belie his actions. Within reason, his haircut was at a price paid by other campaigns for similar "superficial" needs--a point the press specifically ignores in its reporting. His home is no larger than those of other candidates.

And so the question naturally becomes, is John Edwards pretending to care about the poor?

No one has made that argument (and I honestly don't think anyone can make that argument). But if they really desire to throw Edwards under the bus, then journalists should step up and examine each candidate by a similar standard.

Does Mitt Romney really care about values? Does Obama really care about health care? Does Hillary really care about national security? Those questions are absurd because they examine the trees for the forest-- a national press corps that has taken President Bush's word on every issue even in the face of objective lying on his part now wants to take the time to examine whether a candidate for President has the proper motives for championing a cause.

To what end, I ask?

If the press hates Edwards, and if they truly desire to bury him, then the haircut and house tales should be viewed by reasonable journalists as they really are, and exposed as such-- a distraction from policy and substantive political discourse.

The press wants to pretend they cover these stories for the public good, and yet they cannot connect them to anything larger than a fuzzy notion of message dissonance, which in the end provides no assistance to a voter other than to confuse them.

Thanks for adding to the pile.

Edwards in fact says that he is not the ideal messanger. Your statement could not be more wrong. He doesn't present himself as the ideal messanger at all. But don't take it from me- watch it in this video- about a minute thirty in: http://youtube.com/watch?v=X9ZzeS5SFaA

I expect to see an update with a correction.

Change it to dedicated messanger and hope no one will notice? Smooth. We update on blogs

"The centerpiece of Edwards's campaign is his anti-poverty efforts; he presents himself as a dedicated messenger for the cause, and he likes expensive haircuts, bought a gimungous house, etc. etc. His credibility as a messenger comes into question when he spends money ostentatiously."

As Greenwald points out in response to you, numerous anti-poverty politicians in the past have been rich: see FDR, RFK.

Could you elaborate on your assertion that Edwards's "credibility as a messenger comes into question when he spends money ostentatiously"?

katie

edwards is a loser. don't get so caught up with the "ideal messenger" word. Edwards says there are two americas. it is his main cmpaign slogan and when he buys 400 dollar haircuts it make him look stupid and hypocritical.

romney and republicans are not ashamed of making money and enjoying spending it. it is that attitutded that creates jobs and pushes our economy forward. you liberals think we should feel guilty about getting a 400 buck haircut.

more seriously the main issue was not that, the MAIN ISSUE WAS THE HE USED THE CAMPAIGN MONEY THAT THOSE FROM THE 'OTHER AMERICA' GAVE HIM TO PAY FOR IT!!!!! it is one thing if it were his money, but it was from those poor people he claims to love's money that he used for it. that is an issue in my opinion.

So you claim the Edwards haircut issue has saliency precisely because of "he presents himself as an ideal messenger for the cause" (which is a purely subjective judgment) but then go on to acknowledge that the press corps disdains Edwards and desires to bury him?

The story has legitimacy, albeit momentarily, to examine whether or not there is any true hypocracy or dissonance at work when measuring the man against the message-- but the problem is there is no true hypocracy, Edwards' words do not belie his actions. Within reason, his haircut was at a price paid by other campaigns for similar "superficial" needs--a point the press specifically ignores in its reporting. His home is no larger than those of other candidates.

And so the question naturally becomes, is John Edwards pretending to care about the poor?

No one has made that argument (and I honestly don't think anyone can make that argument). But if they really desire to throw Edwards under the bus, then journalists should step up and examine each candidate by a similar standard.

Does Mitt Romney really care about values? Does Obama really care about health care? Does Hillary really care about national security? Those questions are absurd because they examine the trees for the forest-- a national press corps that has taken President Bush's word on every issue even in the face of objective lying on his part now wants to take the time to examine whether a candidate for President has the proper motives for championing a cause.

To what end, I ask?

If the press hates Edwards, and if they truly desire to bury him, then the haircut and house tales should be viewed by reasonable journalists as they really are, and exposed as such-- a distraction from policy and substantive political discourse.

The press wants to pretend they cover these stories for the public good, and yet they cannot connect them to anything larger than a fuzzy notion of message dissonance, which in the end provides no assistance to a voter other than to confuse them.

Thanks for adding to the pile.

Greenwald's response to this hypocritical POV makes an excellent point: Why is anyone who advocates for the less fortunate expected to take a vow of poverty? FDR, the Kennedys -- these folks have done a lot of good for the downtrodden in this nation, and they were/are RICH RICH RICH. In fact, they didn't even have to pull themselves out of poverty, as Edwards has. To my mind, a well-off person who is concerned about people whose lot in life is below his, and works to help better their lives, exhibits a sign of CHARACTER, not weakness or hypocrisy.

Why is Edwards a terrible advocate for the poor because he has a big house? Does he only get credit for his anti-poverty efforts if he gives away every single cent he's got in the bank and wanders the countryside in a sack cloth?

And why does Bush get a pass on advocating for the middle class because he 'clears brush' on the ranch he bought in time for the 2000 election? He's from one of the nation's most aristocratic families. (Of course, Edwards earned his millions - GWB got his from his daddy and granddad.)

Why is Fred Thompson an acceptable advocate for the middle class because he has a red pickup truck for a campaign prop? Or Guiliani - you know he's much richer than Edwards, right? And yet he's got the common-man touch? Please.

Edwards spent $400 on a haircut because he is a politician worried about his appearance in public. Romney spent $300 on makeup because he is a politician worried about his appearance in public. End of (non)story.

Since nearly all major presidential candidates talk about either "the poor" or "working families" as part of their agenda, and all are rich and live within the community of those in the same socioeconomic class, then the only ones who can safely run for the office without being accused of hypocrisy are the poor. And, hey, at least Edwards is talking about poverty; you'd never get that from millionaire Dick Cheney -- leading me to ask the obvious: Which is better, one who is rich and cares about those not as fortunate as him- or her-self (Edwards) or one who doesn't give a shit about anybody outside his own country club circle (Cheney)?

When a poor, or even middle class, person is a presidential candidate, then maybe Edwards' $400 haircut or Romney's $300 makeover will be a legitimate issue. In the meantime, it's an utter waste of the time of a so-called "journalist" to dig for examples of ostentation -- especially when those same "reporters" are studiously avoiding informing the public about what the candidates intend to do about the major challenges facing America.

I want to know what the candidates will do to make my life, and that of all Americans, better, not about their personal grooming habits and expenses.

Your argument really is quite sad. Edwards is a "hypocrite" because he focuses on poverty as an issue? Why? Just how poor does Edwards have to be before he can talk about poverty?

Greenwald hammers you in an update to his post. Hope you respond. Preferably with "You're right, how silly of me" or something to that effect.

Finally, a voice of reason!

Thanks Marc for stating the obvious ‘non-story’ that everyone seems to be covering.

Scott

Mitt Report

Mr. Ambinder claims that "His [Edwards'] credibility as a messenger comes into question when he spends money ostentatiously."

Glenn Greenwald at http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/index.html (under Update II) specifically addresses this claim and provides a really nice explanation as to how Mr. Ambinder couldn't be more wrong.

"His credibility as a messenger comes into question when he spends money ostentatiously."

As many, including Glenn Greenwald, have pointed out, this doesn't actually follow, unless you take the stance that he should give all his money away to the poor, if he cares so much about them. Which no one actually thinks.

By way, to point it out once again: much of the expense of the haircut was travel costs for the barber, to go to Edwards; this is not such a luxury for a candidate traveling around the country on a tight schedule.

"There is a difference in the political reality: fairly or unfairly, a healthy chunk of the national political press corps doesn't like John Edwards."

So Edwards better walk on eggshells, because the national press corps is once more acting like the election is taking place at their junior high? It's impossible for Edwards to avoid all possible smears that these Heathers might echo, as Gore and Kerry learned.

"It's not so much interested in burying Romney right now -- many reporters think he's the Republican frontrunner."

The current Republican frontrunner is "none of the above", so these reporters are mistaken. And why does Romney's status in this respect have anything to do with who the reporters decide it would be fun to bury?

I really think this "Edwards has no credibility for being rich and talking about poverty" is getting absurd.

What other examples can we find? How about:

Rudy Giuliani has no credibility because he advocates for war though he's never served in one.

Barak Obama has no credibility because he supports abortions even though he's never had one.

Hillary Clinton has no credibility because she supports the farm bill and she's never been a farmer.

I made that last one up. I have no idea how Hillary Clinton feels about the farm bill, but since she's never been a farmer she's got to be a hypocrite no matter what her opinion is!

Really, this gets absurd very quickly. I'm going to start calling Meet the Press every day and see if they'll book the smelly bum who lives on the sidewalk outside my house to come in and talk about poverty, because apparently he's the only one who has the "credibility" to do so. Every one else need not apply.

John Edwards didn't grow up rich. He made his own money and, as far as I'm concerned, he can spend it any damn way he wants. I don't care if he paid $4,000 for his haircuts. And he can still be interested in helping those in poverty. There's nothing hypocritical about it.

What is hypocritical is the press trying to present itself as objective while simultaneously trying to destroy one candidate or another.

Ambinder not so bright.

How in the world can someone justify the claim that how someone spends money is somehow relevant because they care about poverty? It is not as if John Edwards is supporting communism. He believes in capitalism, he just thinks that we need to do more to support those less fortunate. That is a perfectly legitimate, non-hypocritical thing for a rich person to believe.

This would be like stating that candidates for president are hypocrits for discussing plans to provide health insurance for the uninsured simply because all the candidates have insurance themselves. The most basic understanding of logic (not to mention common sense) would lead one to understand the absurdity of this. Too bad Ambinder lacks such basic intelligence.

Worse still, the claim that there is something "hypocritical" about Edwards' wealth -- now a pervasive premise of Conventional Wisdom -- is premised on a complete misunderstanding of "hypocrisy." The attribute of "hypocrisy" is one who advocates "Principle X" and then acts contrary to that principle (as in: "I believe in Traditional Marriage and I'd like you to meet my third wife," or "I believe in Traditional Marriage and I'm in a rush to make my appointment at the escort agency/to meet my young aide and mistress/to consult with my divorce lawyer").

John Edwards isn't advocating for the elimination of private property or for prohibitions on personal wealth, so his personal wealth isn't remotely "hypocritical." He is advocating for government policies designed to address the plight of America's poor. His own personal wealth -- just as was true for Robert Kennedy or Franklin Roosevelt or even Lyndon Johnson -- is irrelevant and not even remotely "hypocritical" for those who understand that term.

What Glenn Greenwald said. You'd think a Harvard grad would at least know the meaning of a basic word like "hypocrisy."

"gimungous"

And now we see why a sizable chunk of the press corps hates Edwards. A neologism like "gimungous" is only used by bratty 14 year olds who want to exaggerate the faults of people they envy, and therefore despise.

Ambinder, you were a putz when you did the Note, and you are an uber-putz now. Everybody hates the press, and this is why.

Campaign basics - you don't play into your own negative perceptions. Fair or unfair, Edwards biggest perception coming out of 2004 was the "pretty boy" image. There's a reason JibJab portrayed him in speedos; and more people saw that than watched any debate that year.

He messed up by allowing this haircut thing to happen. He should have been going to Haircuttery for the $10 special.

Romney might develop this perception. The beauty shop thing isn't a plus. But right now he doesn't have it, and there's a chance it won't stick.

Campaign basics - you don't play into your own negative perceptions. Fair or unfair, Edwards biggest perception coming out of 2004 was the "pretty boy" image.

Ambinber ought to move this to the top and claim it as his own. Do remember, in 2004 Edwards got tagged as The Breck Girl and even Kerry made jokes about how cute he was.

As for Romney, the idea that candidates get some make-up before going on television does not prompt a hold of the front page.

The national press was completely seduced by Edwards in the 2004 primaries. It was blind adoration. They bought the Son of a Mill Worker myth hook line and sinker. He was the golden boy who was going to win John Kerry the presidency by winning him the South. He was the sunny, positive campaigner, who would never get down into the mud. None of it entirely false, just enough truth to it to keep the press never looking quite deeply enough into the real politician or the real man. In the 2008 race, he might have been a whole new candidate, the press had learned so little about him in 2004. That's why it all comes as such a surprise. That's why it's all news to them.

Here is Glenn Greenwald's response to Ambinder's post

So, how much can a politician spend on a haircut? I've paid everything from $10 to $60 with tip. Was $60 ostentatious? What if I'd paid $100? I'm sure Hillary's haircuts are fairly pricey, as women's cuts tend to be more than men's. Someone should really look into that.

I think we need a haircut ethics panel.

Marc, are you actually going to address the 30+ commenters here who (1) have proven you wrong, and (2) have done so using logic? I see you've made a few more blog posts today, so you've obviously been at your computer. You will not be belittled for admitting you were wrong - in fact, I think many of us will have more respect for you if you admit the obvious.

I am so god damn sick of this meme. Please. What are only people in poverty allowed to fight it? John Edwards is rich, the man should be able to spend whatever money he has whatever way he wants. The only reason he can't is assholes like you whom seem to think the wealthy should screw the poor. And Jesus H. Christ, do you not remember he's the son of a millworker, he actually came out of poverty to be able to buy a $400 haircut? If someone like that can't fight poverty, as you seem to suggest, who the fuck else can? The homeless? Yeah they have a big microphone.

Marc, what say you about Glenn's latest update, quoting Romney:

You know I think John Edwards was right. There are two Americas. There is the America where people pay $400 for a haircut and then there is everybody else.
Doesn't Romney's consignment of Edwards to a place apart from "everybody else" qualify as hypocrisy in your book? Or are you giving him a pass because he's a Republican?

Yeah, this was a really lame post, Marc. Your logic vis a vis Edwards' haircut hypocrisy is pretty much right in line with the attacks on Al Gore for, you know, having a big house and not holding in his farts (methane!) and being tubby.
'Look! Al Gore is asking us to think about our carbon footprints, yet he's refusing to live in a tent and grown his own food in an organic garden fertilized by his own feces. What a hypocrite! Come on, Al Gore! If you were serious about global warming you would bulldoze your mansion and convert your property into a wind farm. Hypocrite!'
Oddly, the same people who hurl these criticisms at their political targets haven't the slightest interest in asking why Bush, Cheney, Giuliani, Romney, and the other faux-hawks sought and acquired multiple deferments during the Vietnam War. How about focusing your laser-like investigative focus on their hypocrisy? Were you satisfied by Cheney's answer that he had "other priorities at the time"?

Brian hits upon an important point: John Edwards's anti-poverty campaign focuses on helping Americans work and receive just compensation for their work. His plan seems aimed at giving people the tools and protections they need to support their families and build their savings. Rather than giving the poor handouts, the Edwards's plan helps individuals overcome existing institutional barriers to generate wealth. And America, you can spend your money how you want to.

Yes, the $400 haircut may be a story. But it certainly isn't as big a story as the media made it.

The author of this peice does not seem to understand that there is a long tradition of rich people advocating for the poor. It is not conditional for that person to give up their wealth and become as poor as the people they are advocating for in order to have credibility. Rightly or wrongly that is what the author is pushing. He is making the case that it is understandable and excusable to go after Edwards (as Romney himself did) for an expensive haircut but not to go after Romney for his expensive facial. I think most people can understand how that argument falls apart under scrutiny. Romney too says his policies support the poor as do all the Republican candidates so an equal measure of journalistic scrutiny should be brought to bear. Nothing even close to that has happened and it is due to the attitude expressed in this article.

Why isn't anyone checking into the amount of money Hillary spends for her hair and makeup?

Change it to dedicated messanger and hope no one will notice? Smooth. We update on blogs

>>Brian hits upon an important point: John Edwards's anti-poverty campaign focuses on helping Americans work and receive just compensation for their work.

Quote:
Fairly or unfairly, there's also a difference in narrative timing: when the first quarter ended, the press was trying to bury Edwards. It's not so much interested in burying Romney right now -- many reporters think he's the Republican frontrunner.

But the press buried Gore in Fall, 2000, when he was a clear frontrunner, because, as a reporter stated, they wanted a horse race. See The Daily Howler. So the likely reason they don't want to bury Romney is one of 1) he's a Republican, 2) they don't believe he is really the frontrunner in the end, or 3) they think he is the strongest Republican in the end and they want the best horserace against the Democrat. I'm looking forward to reporting that tells me which is the actual explanation.

Why is the press so forgiving of Pretty Mitty? The man is a well known liar and phony. He pretends to be pro-life or pro-choice depending on the direction of the wind. He pretends to be a hunter when he's done little more than watch Elmer Fudd cartoons while sipping lattes in $300 dollars worth of mascara.

Is it because the press suspects Romney is their kind of phony pulling the wool over the eyes of the unwashed social conservatives, while he is "really" a good Rockefellar Republican at heart? I got news for ya, Romney doesn't have a heart.

Is this a skull and bones thing? Is this like a secret young boys tree house test? Is it that Edwards was poor and went state universities? Is he not good enough for the insiders? Is he one of those annoying social climbers? Or is it that insiders, conservative and liberals, really do hate poor people like compassionate conservative Bush does?

This post is incredibly juvenile, but the comments are terrific. Anyone of these comment makers would be better as columnists than you. But they and I are probably too busy making sense and money in our chosen professions. It's annoying to me that I have to take time out of my day to address such shoddy "journalism". Back to reading Harper's while my copy of the Atlantic gathers dust.

My question is: Why doesn't the press like Edwards? I don't quite see what's offensive about him.

If the fact that a man is wearing makeup comes as a shock to anyone, you should take a close look at most of the Senators/Congressmen on the hill. They are always wearing makeup just in case they might happen to get a photo op. So why not get a pro to apply it, hopefully Romney's not an expert makeup artist himself. Why does any of this stuff matter, both Romney and Edwards have earned their money, who cares how they spend it! What matter is how they're going to spend mine when they're in office!

A fair and balanced view of the Washington press is that much of it is incompetent and irresponsible; and the Edward's haircut story is exhibit A. You can't throw a rock in Washington without hitting a Bush lie, or a case where congress is taking care of a contributor, or a serious policy problem - and we get haircuts. One of the reasons we have this government is because reporters are stupidly repeating noise machine talking points instead of actually reporting.

It is not conditional for that person to give up their wealth and become as poor as the people they are advocating for in order to have credibility.

Not only that - the poor make surprisingly poor advocates for the poor. With wealth comes influence and power - which provides the ability to direct policy intended to help the poor.

Edward's wealth could conceivably land him the presidency. Wouldn't that put him in an extraordinary position to help the poor, if that's what he wants to do? What power to address economic disparity would he have if he gave away his personal fortune?

Several days from Marc and still no acknowledgment that he's wrong in this blog post. Bloggers owe a duty to admit when they're wrong.

"This post is incredibly juvenile" Diane Montana

Too true that but it is even more revealing. It's a journalistic own goal. It should be bronzed and put over the entrance of every school of journalism in America. It should be embossed on chain links and its author should be forced to flagellate himself until he is nothing but bloody pulp.

when the first quarter ended, the press was trying to bury Edwards.

how can this be just a toss off at the end of a poorly thought out post? This is a "reported blog on politics" and all you have to say about this is "fairly or unfairly"? you are a disgrace.

So only poor people can advocate for the poor. But since poor people have no money to lobby or organize with, they lose.

Thats awesome!

There is a difference in the political reality: fairly or unfairly, a healthy chunk of the national political press corps doesn't like John Edwards.

Of course joo can provde names and examples for thees.
Otherwise, joo are just un frotacíonado.
So, let's see some names, wanker.

(bathe, bathe)

ahealthy chunk of the national political press corps doesn't like John Edwards

Given that members of the press corps are employees of their respective news outlets, if they feel that they cannot do their job objectively because they are too influenced by their contempt of John Edwards to properly report on him for the benefit of their readers, they should ask their editors to be reassigned, or their editors should remove them from the John Edwards beat. I really couldn't care less that they don't like Edwards. I care that they don't know how to do their job.

Also, it would help if you could better inform us, the readers, about why the press as a bizarre animosity towards Edwards, and why this animosity never existed towards Bush and doesn't exist towards, say, Romney.

Mr. Cambinder,

I appreciate your candor. At least we'll know that there is no need to take anything you say or write of regarding any of the Presidential candidates seriously. I hope some of your colleagues who actually practice their profession as opposed to the slumber party gossiping you write about might stand and take notice of your blanket comments besmirching them and out you for the hack you confirm yourself to be. You sir are a joke.

Sincerely,

Patrick in Chicago

I attended the poverty tour stop in Pittsburgh this week-the AP incorrectly reported that there were 250 people there-I would say that there were at least 500 with standing room only-the audience was half black and half white, mostly comprised of middle class to upper middle class citizens-Enlightened voters under stand that John Edwards stand on poverty will benefit everyone-if poverty is decreased or finally abolished, it would improve our society in many obvious ways-lower taxes for prisons, healthcare, insurance premiums with less crime as well as safer streets-there are many others, but it would be a great boost for the country at large, rich or poor.

Marc Ambinder, an Atlantic associate editor, is blogging the 2008 presidential election from the roadshow

Please stop. You're hurting the country.

Ambinder, Sullivan, Yglesias: could you guys be trying any harder to get James Fallows to leave?

Bad money chases out the good.

There is a difference in the political reality: fairly or unfairly, a healthy chunk of the national political press corps doesn't like John Edwards.

marc,
thank you for providing that one very significant detail and confirming what we knew all along about you gossip queens who have dominated and degraded the political discourse in this country.

you must be proud.

I've never been so disgusted with what passes for our media nowadays.

I hope you're pleased, Ambinder, because the rest of us are not. Absolutely and blatantly biased and inane.

How's that Kool Aid tasting, Marc? Can I get you a refill?

It's not so much interested in burying Romney right now -- many reporters think he's the Republican frontrunner.

Wow --- just wow...

So, the purpose of the mainstream news media is to make sure you don't say anything bad about those who you think might end up winning the next election? Please, the whole rotten lot of you, resign now and let someone with some integrity take over.

This is beyond inane. Having wealth is a disqualifier for being concerned about poverty? Am I misunderstanding something here?

Do you really think poor Americans care about John Edwards haircuts? We don't buy the reasoning that you can't fight for an AIDS cure if you don't have the disease, or campaign for stem cell research unless you have Alheimers. It would be hypocritical. Or, you can't lobby for health insurance for all Americans if you yourself have coverage, that would totally be hypocritical. Give me a break. Since when do journalists get to say who's the better candidate for the American people. We don't elect you guys. What a manipulative piece of propaganda. Move on folks, nothing to see here.

I don't know about y'all, but I sure am glad that a 2001 Harvard grad who stumbled into a dream job that set him up to do things like judge lifelong public servants on the color of their suits or the style of their hair is around to let me know just who is a proper spokesman for issues related to poverty.

OMG!
This one time!this one time! I totally got my teeth cleaned by a dentist who lacked even a single cavity!!!!!eleven!!

What a hypocrite!

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlDC/original/marc1.jpg

Ah yes. Now it all makes sense.

Dang, Anon, you're not kidding!

Mitt Romney is paying opposition research hack Barbara Comstock (you remember Monica Goodling's patron) $15,000 per month.

Anyone got a problem with that, or shall we keep talking about haircuts and makeup?

This post shows more than anything else how politicians like FDR and JFK wouldn't get elected today. And it shows how ones like GWB do.

And these media types wonder why revenues continue to decline in their industry. Do they really think stories about rich politicians getting fancy haircuts is news? Trust me, you won't win any awards writing stories you'd find on the pages of "GQ: the D.C. edition."

At one time journalists would have hidden the fact that they have a pack mentality which leads them to "destroy" politicians based solely on personal animus. Such an allegation would have been denied vigorously and with outrage as an assault on their professional and personal ethics.

Ambinder's casual mention confirms the corruption of the people who cover politics in D.C.

He (and all his like-minded colleagues) should be restricted to covering county commission planning meetings in burgs where their damage could be limited to the locals.

I'd suggest writing the editors of The Atlantic requesting Ambinder be fired. Unfortunately, they're probably just as guilty.

Hey, I went to journalism school. Got a degree 'n everything. And this is pure crap, Mr. Ambinder. And you know it.

"Fairly or unfairly, there's also a difference in narrative timing: when the first quarter ended, the press was trying to bury Edwards..."

Wow. That is just stunning. What an amazing thing to say. Yet even more amazing is that you are equivocal about whether this is fair or not. "The press hates Edwards, so does that mean it's unfair to kick him in the jimmy whenever he walks by? I just don't know the answer to that. Only time will tell."

Unbelievable. Really just unbelievable.

You, sir, are a hack.

Are you kidding? What is the matter with you people?

Rich people cannot advocate for or try to improve conditions for others? Well, I guess by the standards of most Republican politicians, that's about right. I guess since all of our politicians have health care coverage, there's no point expecting them to try to get it for anyone else, right? Or how about the minimum wage? Maybe that's why its been such a struggle to get that increased? Because wealthy politicians are afraid of being pegged by you utterly f*%k#@g insane pundits as hypocritical? Hmmmmm?

Never mind the breath-taking admission that you all get to choose who should be the candidates and who shouldn't, and then you proceed to take down whoever you don't like by taking stupid s$#i* and pounding it to death....

I'm exhausted just thinking about the uphill battle we have to get our discourse out of the hands of the utter morons like you, Ambinder, who have hijacked and perverted the Fourth Estate...

There is a difference in the political reality: fairly or unfairly, a healthy chunk of the national political press corps doesn't like John Edwards.

Mother of fucking Christ - people like you and the "national political press" are why we have a moron for a president. Keep talking about what doesn't matter, you fool.

Campaign basics - you don't play into your own negative perceptions. Fair or unfair, Edwards biggest perception coming out of 2004 was the "pretty boy" image. There's a reason JibJab portrayed him in speedos; and more people saw that than watched any debate that year.

And this was Edwards fault in 2004 because...why again?

He messed up by allowing this haircut thing to happen. He should have been going to Haircuttery for the $10 special.

Sure! And then when he looks like he cut his hair with a flobee, the smart folks like you and our associated tools in the media would mock him for that too! It's a can't miss! Pay a rich guy's rate to look good -- in a profession that looking good is nearly essential (Ask Nixon about his TV appearance in 1960)and you're a poseur. Skimp on the professional grooming and you're a schmuck.


That's the way the game works 'negative perceptions' and all. Our democracy is going down the tubes because idiots are running our discourse and because idiots like yourself can't see this as a problem that goes beyond John Edwards' hairline.

What Digby says at her site. And now please go away Mr. Ambinder, and never inflict any of your idiotic views on innocent Americans ever again. (Perhaps you could do something useful-like working with stray cats.)

D'oh! In reading this, the word "hack" just kept popping into my head, but Lisa beat me to it. Nonetheless, it does bear repeating that you are a HACK. Which is fitting, as the American press corps(e) has proven itself over the last several years to be the hackiest collection of hacks in the history of a hack-filled profession. Grow up and do your jobs instead of acting like a bunch of gossiping, mean-spirited dowagers!

That Franklin D. Roosevelt was a real phony too. No wonder why "fairly or unfairly, a healthy chunk of the national political press corps" didn't like him. He was born a millionaire who lived in a mansion in Hyde Park, New York, while pretending to care about poor people. Printing stories about him faking good health while he was really crippled in a wheelchair was fair game because he was such a fraud. He considered himself a champion of the poor, while at the same time he lived and dined in opulence while the poor had no roof over their heads and nothing to eat. Too bad the "national political press corps" didn't "bury him" the way they bury today's Democratic Presidential candidates, and he was elected President.
There.
Now can I have a job being one of the sages who call themselves political journalists?

"John Edwards's haircut was a valid story to cover"

Matt! Matt Y! Please come over here and kick some sense into this idiot!

He hasn't even heard of FDR, I bet! That hypocrite FDR, lived in a mansion at Hyde Park and still favored national social insurance and public works to help the unemployed.

Christ, what stupidity. "[Edwards'] credibility as a messenger comes into question when he spends money ostentatiously." He's not running for "messenger," dope. He's running to be a President who can, for example, propose legislation providing health care insurance even for those who can't afford it.

Do you think something like providing health insurance for everyone needs to be done? Or that Edwards's platform of trying to ameliorate poverty is a good one? Because if you do, you ought to be railing about the unfairness, not to say the backwardness, of this: "the press was trying to bury Edwards." And if you don't, then at least the American people will know for sure who their enemy is.

Are you freaking kidding me? Are you in high school? Reporters are supposed to report the news, not try and bury people they don't like.

Christ, I didn't realize Atlantic was this shoddy an organization. Go join the local junior high school. I hear that the girls there totally don't like pink makeup these days. May I suggest you wear red?

No more money for Atlantic.

I don't understand. If members of the press don't like John Edwards, that's a true thing and they can report it. The fact that he spends as much on getting his hair cut as all the other candidates do, doesn't become relevant, and isn't an illustration of "hypocrisy" just because members of the press don't like him. If members of the press don't like Edwards, why don't they just say so. It's not really important as far as the Edwards candidacy goes, but it does tell us something important. Marc can be the first. I've got a statement for him:

"I, Marc Ambinder, am jealous of John Edwards. I resent the fact that he's a lot older than I am but looks better than I do. I resent the fact that he's good-looking and presentable, while I am a fat slob. I resent the fact that he is successful and accomplished. I resent the fact that he can afford a larger house than I do. I resent the fact that he provides well for his family. Therefore, I dislike him."

Marc could simply use that as a preface to everything he writes about Edwards (if he needs to shorten it, he could leave out the part about being a fat slob, and just put a picture by his byline). He could then write truthful, relevant articles. We would still know he dislikes Edwards, because he would have told us, but he can focus on writing truthful, relevant articles, which is what the public is interested in.

My God. It's true what they say about the media elite. Here's proof certain.

If this guy is a bona fide "journalist," then I must be a prostitute who services moralizing republican congressmen in diapers.

Wow. Just wow. I cannot express my contempt for you and everyone in the press corps. This is utterly beyond belief.

I suppose I can give you a smidgen of kudos for your honesty.

But seriously. How. Dare. You.

Haircuts got to Edwards' credibility not even a hundredth as much as stories about haircuts go to yours. This is insane.

"Why does it throw praise at billonaires like Warren Buffet who are concerned about inequality but attempt to bury Edwards?"

because the economic elites of this country are terrified of the possibility that populist politics might succeed in shifting some of the tax burden from the middle class to their ermined shoulders.

so they work very hard to control the politic elites of this country by using tools like mr. ambinder (i mean this in a metaphoric sense, of course) to discredit any politician who attempts to focus the political discourse on questions of economic justice.

it is not very hard for them to do because were such politicians successful, they would change the nature of politics in this country, which would require mr. ambinder and his ilk to a) think independently and b) work hard.

the terror such a prospect creates in the mind of a main stream journalist occasions the haircut kerfluffle on the one hand, and the absolute failure of the media, on the other hand, to determine whether Edwards will choose to be as accountable for the bankurptcy bill vote as he has been for the iraq war vote.

if mr. ambinder wanted to portray mr. edwards as a hypocrite in an intellectually credible way, he a) would have had to know a little bit about edwards' senate votes or b) work. in the absence of either he must resort to fox news caricature.

If you guys are "don't like" Edwards, that gives me an excellent reason to vote for him; the last candidate you really didn't like was the winner of election 2000, Al Gore, who you just outright made up lies about.

As I keep reminding my readers: Versailles stank because the courtiers er, relieved themselves in the corridors. And the Beltway stinks for much the same reason.

Marc, have you ever visited Campobello Island? Specifically, FDR's so-called summer "cottage" with something like 30 lavish bedrooms?

I have visited FDR's summer residence at Campobello Island. It's in New Brunswick, just north of the Maine border. Allow me to tell you something, Marc, I visited Campobello and didn't for a nanosecond admire the man any less because his cottage was far bigger than my modest middle-class starter home could ever hope to be.

Just because FDR had a lavish cottage that dwarfs my residence is not a good reason to cynically grandstand and tut-tut FDR's "New Deal" as a fraud.

It is no less true of Edwards than it is for FDR, with the exception that FDR was born into elite wealth, whilst John Edwards still remembers what it was like to be dirt poor.

Be honest, and ask yourself how a $400 haircut is such a big deal in a presidential contest that will require something in the order of $100-million spending on TV ads for the final nominees? Then ask yourself if looking good for TV and public appearances is simply the vanity of one candidate to the exclusion of all others. (...chirp, chirp...)

Get off your high horse and start reporting real stories with real meaning that affect real peoples lives. All you are defending is a rotten sideshow canard. It's embarrassing, and it's beneath The Atlantic. If anybody's credibility is shot here, it is any "journalist" that defends this garbage.

Who is this anonymous press corps(e)?

Are they like the anonymous "high administration officials" who sent us to Iraq?

Ambinder, if you know who in the "press" has an axe to grind with Edwards, I'd say that's really important to know, so name names or stfu.

Regardless, thanks for letting the mask slip about which candidates you hate and would forbid from being president. I will tell everyone I know, in every forum, just what kind of a sick partisan asshole you and your anonymous "press corps" ilk really are.

Hands down, it's the "we don't want to bury the Republican frontrunner" comment that's most revealing. The rest of the junior high crap we can glean from the absurd class notes that Maureen Dowd scribbles.

But why would a free and independent press would refrain from "burying" a "Republican" "frontrunner"? Your bosses don't like it? You're scared of Republicans in a way that you're not of Democrats? You just like Republicans more?

Americans are dying to find out. Quite literally.

With respect to: "Fairly or unfairly, there's also a difference in narrative timing: when the first quarter ended, the press was trying to bury Edwards. It's not so much interested in burying Romney right now -- many reporters think he's the Republican frontrunner..."

Can anybody think of any reason anybody should ever pay any attention to Mark Ambinder ever again?

Now, I'm a very polite, conservative-Catholic-educated man, and seldom lose my temper. But reading your post really did it for me. Just who do you think you are deciding which candidates to 'bury'? What a betrayal to your profession, to democracy, to the country. And why is a rich man's advocacy for the poor bad in any way? -- the depth of stupidity, bad-faith and just plain evil required to hold that view leaves me speechless. And then there's the ignorance of the English language in the misuse of the word hypocritical. But, like all DC media-Republican-establishment people, you don't really speak English, you talk in newspeak. What an absolutely sad excuse for a human being you are.

Fairly or unfairly I did not realize that mainstream media considered themselves scumbags who were destroying this country.

Fairly or unfairly I did not realize that mainstream media considered themselves scumbags who were destroying this country.

Marc A. is but one of several reasons I have begun to lose interest in the once fertile Atlantic. Nothing left but the brine shrimp.

(and the esteemed Mr. Fallows, of course)

Marc, thank you for your post. You have, in just a few short words, proven true everything that the progressive blogosphere has written about the decrepit state of the mainstream press corps. It really is as stupid, insipid, demented, pathological, and destructive as we thought. Thank you.

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I belatedly blogged my comments about this here.

And therefore ... what?

What point does Ambinder think he has made?

This is not an explanation. It is a confession.

Does he not realize that he's said this stuff out loud - where people can hear?

In the old days, this sort of thing would have been called "signing your own death warrant."

Jesus H. Christ. Ambinder, you are a petty little person. Did you read this post before you published it? Mind boggling.

And what the hell has happened to the Atlantic?

Ambinder, I don't think you could have stated your contempt for your fellow citizens and the Democratic process any more frankly than that. What a vile gasbag.

I am so tempted to jump on this bandwagon, although I think my views on this post have been quite adequately presented already by dozens of the commenters above me.

Instead, Marc, I would like to urge you to simply recant this stupidity as soon as possible - it's not too late. Not yet anyway. We would forgive, at least I would, if you truly admitted to understanding what we're getting at with our criticisms here. I hope that your silence on this issue thus far is due to you seriously rethinking your position on this, and that you're weighing what we're saying quite heavily - it really is important.

Just don't tarry too long, because the vast majority of us out here in the hinterlands (and that's where we're from, really - the heartland - I'm posting this from northern Colorado) are really really sick of this kind of smug puerile beltway elitism and hypocritical gotcha-pseudojournalism that has nothing to do with substance and everything to do with petty vindictiveness.

The idiotic pretense that John Edwards is flawed for having enough
money to afford anything he desires shows no regard for his past
service to our nation. John Edwards is too good for us.

Of course. Now I get it. The best person to stick up for the poor and powerless is...a poor and powerless person! What fools they are to look for hope in someone well-off!

In seriousness: who are these fools that compose our national press corps? Here, at last, the bias is stated explicitly.

Do you know how we ended up with the worst President in American history?
It’s because Marc Ambinder and his press corps buddies “wanted to have a beer” with Bush (who spent 30 years drunk), while they “didn’t like” Al Gore or John Kerry, so they “buried” them.

fairly or unfairly, a healthy chunk of the national political press corps doesn't like John Edwards.

What is the argument that said dislike is "fair"? Who makes this argument? Is there a claim that it is fair for professionals to skew coverage of Edwards based on their dislike for him?

This is precisely the sort of both-sides-of-the-truth nonsense that produces our contempt.

Thanks for admitting that the "liberal" press tries to bury liberals.

"Fairly or unfairly"?

You media kool kidz don't believe in ANYTHING, do you?

There is really not much I can add about this despicable preening turd. While, as others have noted, he may get a small amount of credit for being honest, it is probably more in the nature of a Kinsley "gaffe" (a politician inadvertently stating the truth--and the most important truth revealed here is that, for whatever reason, the MSM has become an integral part of the Republican noise machine). But Turdbinder loses that credit by lacking the courage to defend this steaming pile. Of course, he probably thinks its beneath him to debate us unwashed, ignorant peons, most of whom were probably directed here by dirty fucking hippies like Greenwald and Digby.

How come it's not even worth mentioning that Mitt Romney wears $300 worth of make-up, but it was a big deal that Al Gore wore make-up in the 2000 presidential debates?

Everyone has already mentioned that you don't know the definition of "hypocrisy", but here's another word you don't know the definition of:

"...spends money ostentatiously."

To spend money ostentatiously, Edwards would have to make a big show of how much money he spends. He didn't do that - he got a couple of haircuts and for some reason journalists found out what the bill was and journalists made a big show about it. Edwards, I'm sure, did not alert the media that he'd spent a lot of money getting his haircut. Probably because it's not actually news to anyone that candidates have to pay a lot of money for their haircuts because they can't just pop into the local barbershop even if they wanted to.

Another word you don't know the meaning of is "reporting". Edwards never got a $400 haircut. That bill covered two haircuts plus the time it cost the stylist to go to Edwards.

You guys did this same crap to Gore, as a result of which we ended up with guys in the White House who couldn't be bothered to stop an attack on American by Al Qaeda and then got us into a suicidally stupid war.

Do you really think we can afford more of the same?

PS. Rich people are wise to care very much about the poor if they don't want to end up with their heads on pikes. The "Let them eat cake" attitude of our present rulers has been shown to have unpleasant results for the rich throughout history. You might say that caring about the less fortunate is enlightened self-interest. FDR prevented a communist revolution in America with the New Deal.

"There is a difference in the political reality: fairly or unfairly, a healthy chunk of the national political press corps doesn't like John Edwards."

You know, Marc, you guys didn't like Gore or Kerry either. Hmm. So... now that you've got BUSH, the one you guys liked, how do you feel about the press's ability to judge? Most of us, when we find out that the person we rilly rilly liked is a big jerk, and the one we didn't like is actually pretty worthy, we start questioning our own judgement.

But the press doesn't. The press as a whole has pretty much been wrong about everything whenever it trusts its own judgment-- for a decade at least. But we don't see any-- any-- idea that you guys have learned from that. Nothing. I mean, you are even recycling the "Clinton got a haircut" meme that was old 10 years ago.

And we also see the lame excuse for why it's always a Dem and never a Republican who gets this treatment. John Edwards is rich. Oops. So is Romney et al. Oh! John Edwards is for the abatement of poverty! So that makes him fair game, because the press has decided it's hypocritical to be rich and against poverty, although, um, it's actually kind of, well, admirable. You know, acting AGAINST your own interests to help those less fortunate? Isn't that in the Bible that you guys honor whenever Bush holds it up?

Oh, and Romney is rich, yeah. And he spends a bit of that money on makeup. Now I don't think that's a big deal, but then, I also don't think Edwards getting a haircut is a big deal. YOU think it is, but Romney's face is not. Why? Oh, right, Romney, the press has decided (against all the polls, but heck, they only question voters, not pundits, so why bother?) is a -front-runner-. Hmm. So this means that Romney is untouchable.

Can you explain the logic there? I realize you're probably just trying to explain the unexplainable-- that is, the press's insistence on trivializing the rather important issue of who runs the country-- but really, your answer only begs more questions. Do you APPROVE of this? Do you think it's a great idea for the press to choose a candidate to "bury" and steer clear of another one, not because either candidate is good or bad, just ... just because? "Because we don't LIKE him?" You guys LIKED George Bush. Don't think we've forgotten how you all wanted him to give you nicknames and have a beer with you. And Bush-- well, let me ask you this. Do you still think he's the dreamiest?

And, frankly, what the holy hell are you guys doing this for? Presumably you have an education. I'm assuming you have some experience. Goodness knows you have a big forum. Is this REALLY what you want to do with all those advantages? Chortle over haircuts? You know, I hear more enlightened political discourse from the drunk holding down the last barstool at the corner tavern. What a waste of space and money.

This is not the first time I've noticed that the commenters on MSM blogs seem to have more info and insight that the columnists. Scary, considering that the columnists are getting paid.

I am absolutely stunned by the attitude expressed here. Honest - Yes. Revolting - Absolutely.

Thank you for admitting the truth.

"a healthy chunk of the national political press corps doesn't like John Edwards."

So apparently collective personnel bias overrides professional integrity in the world of journalism.

We all knew this. Why don't you guys just stop pretending to be "journalists". You are all just shallow sophists who happen to have been judged worthy of a paycheck to shill for the owners of whatever "media property" you whore for.

We have an executive order that essentially overturns the 5th amendment today, and you all want to fucking talk about Edward's hair.

This is the fucking news asshole.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html

Can anybody think of any reason anybody should ever pay any attention to Mark Ambinder ever again?


Posted by Brad DeLong | July 19, 2007 7:38 PM

Well, if he were at your party, you might need to keep an eye on your freezer . He and Candy Crowley could eat all the ice cream.

You know, I'm really tired of the press acting like the high-school in-crowd. "Let's bury Edwards - gawd, what a nerd he is."

THIS AIN'T NO FREAKIN' HIGH SCHOOL JUNIOR CLASS ELECTION, MMKAY??

This is for the leadership of the country and the world.

Eight years ago, you guys played the same games. You decided you liked McCain best, Bush second-best, and Al Gore least of all. You did everything you could to trash Gore for no particular reason, other than you didn't like him.

And you see where it got us. The Middle East and New Orleans are both wrecks, and global warming gets put on the back burner. (OK, maybe that's a bad way of phrasing it.) The Twin Towers fell, after Bush told the bearers of the 8/6/01 PDB that "OK, you've covered your asses now." Not that you ever looked into whether Bush might have prevented 9/11 if he'd had a clue. Not that you noticed his evidence for war in Iraq was full of holes. Not that...ah, f*** it.

Willya just DO YOUR JOB, if you can remember what it was? It's not for you to be kingmakers and character assassins; you're supposed to report and stuff. Objectively, or at least reasonably so.

And if you can't, then find another beat, or another job, fercryinoutloud.

Can't believe how worthless you are. Can I have your job? You sure aren't doing anything useful with it.

"There is a difference in the political reality: fairly or unfairly, a healthy chunk of the national political press corps doesn't like John Edwards.

Fairly or unfairly, there's also a difference in narrative timing: when the first quarter ended, the press was trying to bury Edwards. It's not so much interested in burying Romney right now -- many reporters think he's the Republican frontrunner."

They don't like John Edwards????? So this is the reason to highlight and repeat endlessly one story over another? Well I am usaully a mild mannered, well spoken lady....but what a load of crap!!!! LOok into your soul one more time and it's shades of 2000 over and over again. And why is it the Democrat they don't like and the shallow Republican who is left alone.

Well it is unfair that the flip flopping, substanceless, man without a center or a conviction he can't toss aside gets a pass. And you should just admit it is press bias and not excuse it. Frankly I just keep wanting to type @#$%^&* over and over. He's the Republican frontrunner, so because he's a Republican he's immune from criticism ... just the kind that are thrown at Democrats over and over.

Frontrunners shoud be even more subject to scrutiny. Romney is the George Bush of 2008 and boy did the press get bamboozled in 1999 and 2000.

I should be more trenchant, but you should just read yourself again and hang your head in shame, drink tourself into an excusatory stupor because if this kind of press handling results in Romney being president in 2008 and vowing more Gitmos then you are once again complicit in damaging your country more out of bias, glee and tortured ratiionalizations.

This is just confirmation that the press has failed this country once more.

Superficial analysis at its best. Can anyone other than a rich candidate credibly run for president? Even Ralph Nader makes a million plus year from copyrights, speaking fees, etc. He just spends it differently than Fred Thompson.

The so-called hypocrisy factor is a confection, a reverse twist with half gainer that pretends that the "normal" perspective is that the rich only work for other rich people. Like Social Darwinism, which is neither social nor Darwinian, it is an excuse for ruthless, unrelenting selfishness.

The question a journalist would ask is why isn't every politician advocating for the interests of the poor and middl eclass. Diebold and Rovian dirty tricks notwithstanding, politicians remain dependent on real voters voting for them. A lot of them are poor and middle class. Credibly advocating their interests, rather than, say, those of Goldman Sachs' or General Motors', would seem a really smart thing to do. Guess that observation hasn't made it to this side of the Atlantic.

Thank you for reminding us why we hate you. "You" being the National Political Press Corps.

Mr Armbinder if you could bring any insight into the question of why the profession of journalism has failed this country I would be very grateful.

I've watched journalism become increasingly corrupt for decades now. I've studied it and I am still baffled and nauseated. Your post nauseates me.

You seem close to being self aware of why journalism has failed and if you could take those few steps more into self awareness, you could provide a true service to your readers and your country.

Utterly vacuous. Give him a rifle and send him to Iraq where he can actually do something worthwhile for his country, like take the place of some National Guardsman.

His credibility as a messenger comes into question when he spends money ostentatiously.

Why?
Posted by Aaron Bergman | July 17, 2007 11:41 AM

Aaron Bergman gets it in one word, first post out of the block.

Having no answer, Ambinder fails to answer.

God I'm sick of these twerps.

There is a difference in the political reality: fairly or unfairly, a healthy chunk of the national political press corps doesn't like John Edwards.

"Healthy" is not an adjective I'd use for that situation.

Feel the contempt, Ambinder. You've earned it.

Hey, Ambinder, do you feel the hate yet? Confused by it?

Let me explain: we care about justice and morality, and become angry when those with a well-amplified megaphone don't. And you just made it crystal-clear that you don't.

Holy crap! "Fairly or unfairly, a healthy chunk of the national political press corps doesn't like John Edwards." This moron Ambinder comes right out and admits how corrupt, biased and anti-journalistic he and his fellow political reporters are! Thanks for confirming everything I've suspected for the past couple decades, Marc.

/This is perverse thinking that typifies the kind of airy-fairy nonthinking that has destroyed the American press and makes the Atlantic, in particular, such a hot and cold enterprise for people who would like to be informed.
The Edwards family, like the Kennedys, raised themselves up. The American pseudo-Aristocracy have generally done nothing to distinguish themselves, and even King George, Lord of the Signing Statement, has to have a Wyoming hillbilly psychopath behind the curtain to tell him what to do.

Why do media figures have to bow and scrape before their betters so ostentatiously?

Ambinder: Thanks so much for this heads up. Now we know, beyond any doubt, that we need to target stupid aholes like you in the press in order to get a decent president. How much do you pay for a haircut, Ambinder? It better be in the very low 2 figures. Might as well answer the question, we'll find out and expose you. Asswipe.

What is so scary is that this is exactly the line of thought the press followed in 2000 to help make the Presidential election close.
Bush got a bit lucky with the crunch coming in family controlled Florida and having a bend over Supreme Court, but that is not the point, the point is that it should never have been close, if the media had been honest about the character of the two candidates, Gore and Bush, it wouldn't have been. Plus frankly there was outright lying about Gore.
And bingo the free press is complicit in the election of the worst president in American History.

Criminals. Be responsible for once in your lives.

Marc:

What's does it feel like to have your ass handed to you by a wide and unimpeachable swath of the general populace? Is this why you decided to get into "reporting"?

    There is a difference in the political reality: fairly or unfairly, a healthy chunk of the national political press corps doesn't like John Edwards.

Mr. Ambinder, thank-you for finally admitting that you and your fellow stenographers are paid prostitutes for the RNC (they do pay you right?).

All you need to know about Marc Ambinder is two things:

He's a 2001 graduate of Harvard, which makes him about 27 years old -- far too young to remember Iran-Contra, let alone Watergate. He has no real-time experience with the corruption of the GOP, on one hand or the civil rights movement and the war on poverty on the other.

He's one of the founders of ABC's The Note -- the notoriously shallow, catty, cool table in the school cafeteria of political journalism. They're a bunch of arrogant little shits who did incalculable damage with their "reporting" on Gore and Bush in 2000.

It appears Edwards is the Gore of 2008. The next victim is easy to guess -- the winner of the Democratic nomination.

Say hello to President Thompson.

Mr. Ambinder should find it very interesting that his belief about the validity of the John Edwards hair cut story is shared by that journalistic giant at Fox News, Sean Hannity.

I happened to see Sean just last night list the exact same reasons cited by Mr. Ambinder to demonstrate to the Fox audience that John Edwards is a hypocrite. The hair cut, the big house, all of it.

Congratulations Mr. Ambinder, you have truly hit the bottom of the barrel.

"There is a difference in the political reality: fairly or unfairly, a healthy chunk of the national political press corps doesn't like John Edwards.Fairly or unfairly, there's also a difference in narrative timing: when the first quarter ended, the press was trying to bury Edwards."

Since when was the national political press corps elected to make such decisions? Since when do/should the personal feelings of the national press corps matter to reporting on political topics? Since when is it the national press corps' job to bury or elevate anyone?

Sir, you and your national press corps chums are the real cause of the downfall of this country. Wastes of human flesh.

The funniest thing is-- I'm sure this isn't true for Atlantic columnist, but it sure is for those pretty folk on MSNBC and Fox and CNN-- they ALL spend far more than average on grooming, dress, ostentation. Of course they do. For Maureen Dowd, for example, to dis anyone for spending money on grooming is truly hypocritical. And it's especially hypocritical when they are so pious about other people's wealth and pretend to be "the man of the people", when most of them make more in a year than we'll make all our lives.

Bill O'Reilly is, by any reckoning, fabulously wealthy. I bet he's got lots more than Edwards-- and I bet Chris Matthews and Tucker Carlson and all those guys do too. But they pretend they're not rich. It's okay to be rich... so why do they pretend they're not in Edwards's tax bracket?

Marc, I exempt you. I bet Atlantic doesn't pay like MSMBC. :)

"His credibility as a messenger comes into question when he spends money ostentatiously. "

Let me see if I understand this:

Only poor people can advocate for the poor.

Is this because people become poor because they are lazy and don't work hard enough and nobody needs to listen to someone who's too lazy to work, even if they had the resources to make themselves heard?

Or is there some real world reason you're not telling us about?

Good lord.
This is evil. Please grow up or stop writing.

This is not a defense. This is a confession. "Rightly or wrongly... the press wanted to bury John Edwards?" May I remind you, it is not the job of "the press" to make (or break) any candidate? I didn't vote for John Solomon, nor, in fact, would I. It is none of his business to "sink" a campaign. It is job to report. The guys with the opinions are on the other pages.

I remember the Nixon-Kennedy debate, and how much the press hated that it "threw the election" to Kennedy based on his looks. The TV medium was irrational, they said. It magnified the personality cults and obscured any real consideration of political records or plans.

Apparently, now, the boys on the bus think they have the right to impose their petty man-crushes and icky feelings on the rest of us. They're just the bullies in junior high. The hell with them.

Amazingly stupid post. And, on so many levels.

"His credibility as a messenger comes into question when he spends money ostentatiously."

What does this even mean? I guess in order to be a credible advocate for the poor you have to be a cheap billionaire who hordes his fortune, keeping it out of the economy so it doesn't ever find it's way to those less well off.

I usually love this blog, but this is a pretty bad post. The press trying to bury Edwards may be true, but it's both disconcerting on its face and disconcerting that you accept it so blithely.

OK, so now the wealthy cannot advocate for the poor? Is that realy where we're setting the bar? I love when alleged liberals so easily so-opt GOP talking points. Marc, with all due respect, you're an idiot.

So it's OK for repubs to act greedy becuase, well, they're greedy, but dems can't live lavishly because they can't turn around and talk about the poor. That's quite a double-standard you've set there, Marc. Since now only the poor can advocate for the poor, I'm sure we'll get to the root of the problem!

Won't go after Romney because he might be frontrunner? So they are cowards.

Don't like Edwards and want to bury him? So they think they control the elections?

Don't believe the wealthy can be generally concerned about poverty? So they think that because they're greedy I-got-mine-screw-you bastards, everyone else is?

As a defense for the malicious, cowardly Heathers that pretend to be journalists, you should know your defense condemns them, not Edwards./

I think I understand what your problem is, and how what you said makes sense.

You are confusing the concept of advocating for the poor with advocating that people become poor.

If Edwards were saying being poor is a good thing, that more people should be poor, that he's for poverty -- then it would make him a hypocrite for being rich and spending his money.

And evidently that's the connection you think this haircut makes.

So what you're really saying is that the press corps is so utterly moronic that it can't tell the difference between an advocate for the poor and an advocate for poverty.

Well, except for the part where you say the press decided to bury Edwards.

That one unfortunately brings me right back to "how dare you".

When the press reports on Edwards' haircut, and it treats him how it treated Gore, it is exasperating, annoying, and ridiculous. When other candidates, mostly Republicans, do not receive similar treatment, even when they open themselves up to such attacks in equal measure, it can at least be attributed to the press being cowed by charges of "liberal bias." But when it is stated so baldly and blithely that they do it because they don't like him, I find it totally loathsome and contemptible. Now what I now find inexplicable is the casual ability to describe the observation with no sense of judgement or moral outrage whatsoever. Yeah, the press is out to destroy him, because they don't like him. That's their prerogative. How disgusting. It's no wonder politics is in the state it's in, with people like this populating the press.

Avedon hit it on the head -- Edwards didn't "ostentatiously" pay for the haircuts. Rather, the press (in the form of the odious John Solomon) "ostentatiously" reported it, then attributed a quality to it that Edwards never intended, and based on that falsley attributed quality pronounced Edwards a hypocrite.
This is the "narrative" style of political reportingthat the Daily Howler exposed so brilliantly. Marc, you are simply typing the narrative that your class (the political reporters striving to gain favor with the ruling elite) have determined is the Edwards story. Not very original, but if you are lucky, you may make a bundle of cash -- if you aren't strung up in a revolution, or if the country isn't turned into a third world backwater with worthless currency. Go back to your pals, I'm sure you all can find things about these commenters that will assure yourselves we're crazy and meaningless. GEEEZ

You justify the coverage of Edwards with this:

"There is a difference in the political reality: fairly or unfairly, a healthy chunk of the national political press corps doesn't like John Edwards."

That is so monumentally stupid, to say nothng of unprincipled and uprofessional, that I will not waste another minute reading your work, ever. Goodbye.

fairly or unfairly, a healthy chunk of the national political press corps doesn't like John Edwards... is not a "political reality."

It's biased reporting.

It's also just another example of why an increasing number of us ignore corporate media.

The American people are well and truly sick of a media class that considers itself to be the focus. We are in the midst of a constitutional crisis, working people are desperate, the economic recovery is a sham and the nitwits in the White House are pushing for another war - this time, with a nation quite capable of fighting back.

And instead of discussing these very serious issues, Beltway journalists occupy themselves with freezing out the new kid because after all, he talks funny about poor people. As if!

With one short post, you have done more to illustrate how this amoral game is played than any blogger could ever hope to describe. Thanks for dropping the curtain and letting us see the very small people behind this mess.

"There is a difference in the political reality: fairly or unfairly, a healthy chunk of the national political press corps doesn't like John Edwards.

Fairly or unfairly, there's also a difference in narrative timing: when the first quarter ended, the press was trying to bury Edwards. It's not so much interested in burying Romney right now -- many reporters think he's the Republican frontrunner.
"

And this is why you and your colleagues aren't very good at your jobs. Even a beat writer for a baseball team has to at least pretend he has now rooting interest.

And, you guys know less about public policy than the average $22,000 a year legislative assistant to a freshman state representative. But y'all know about haircuts.

Kudos. You are a credit to your profession. All of you

Mr. Ambinder provides yet another painful example of the reason this country is in such a sad state. Silly me, I was under the impression that the job of our "free press" should be to objectively report on the deeds of our government and its current or prospective employees in an attempt to keep everything and everyone honest. Instead, while BushCo breaks whatever laws it likes to achieve its highly dubious objectives -- with precious little critical attention from the heavily corporate fourth estate -- detritus like this is excreted forth by our "professional" journalists. People, we as a nation are in some serious trouble.

I agree with Eric Alterman. Mr Ambinder and his ilk should be fire, today. It's not okay for reporters to tilt reporting in favor or disfavor of candidates they personally like or dislike. It's not professional, it's not helpful to the country.

Really, Ambinder and his ilk give the term "media whore" a bad name. Disgusting.

http://mediamatters.org/altercation/200707200009#5

Ok, I'll try not to spit nails, I don't want to wreck my display.

Ambinder, either you need to write a full essay about why the media hates Edwards, with a comparison to the prior treatment of Gore, or you need to start working for Philip Morris and give up any pretense of serving the public good.

You can't possibly be as big a hack as this post would indicate. Please, please, say your blog was hijacked by a prankster.

Marc- you are the worst kind of bottom-feeding scum. Seriously.

It is a shame you have no shame, or I would bother to take the time try explain why that is.

Quote:"And why, for that matter, doesn't the press like Edwards? Why does it throw praise at billonaires like Warren Buffet who are concerned about inequality but attempt to bury Edwards?"


It's very simple.

Because of the executive orders that Ronald Reagan instituted, enabling him to oversee all the regulatory agencies and therefore reduce regulations on the corporations, basically neutering these agencies, would also allow a populist like Edwards to do the opposite. And that is to use the very same Reagan executive orders to regulate polution, financial reporting, and all other regulatory agency actions against the corporations.

Therefore the corporate media - The Corporations - are afraid of Edwards and intend to do ebverything they can do derail his candidacy. They have already done it to Kucinich, but Edwards is more of a viable candidate. And so for the corporations, he must be stopped.

All these regulatory agencies, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, the Mine Safety Agency, and on and on... all these agencies were initially created to be independent and have power to investigate and enforce regulations. But Ronald Reagan undid all of that.

But these same executive orders would give President Edwards the power to increase the enforcement of these agencies and their regulations on the corporations. So therefore, the corporations - The Corporate Media - will do everything in their power to see that he fails.

It's so transparent. But many refuse to see.

Wow. You're not too bright are you?

One of the most trite, irrelevant, poorly argued pieces I have ever seen.

There is a difference in the political reality: fairly or unfairly, a healthy chunk of the national political press corps doesn't like John Edwards.

In what sense is this "fair" ?


How is the press wishing to bury John Edwards something that would be considered fair ?


He's not my favorite candidate, but at least I can still manage to be objective.

Edwards needs to start whipping some reporter ass.

Starting with this putz.

Marc? Spell your name like a man, Marc.

Is Marc short for Marcie?

I've been a subscriber to The Atlantic for years. I admire journalists like James Fallows and William Langwiesch (sp?). Recently, to my dismay, I have seen the magazine publish more and more self-regarding drivel by the likes of this guy. John Edwards' haircut is a "more valid story" than Mitt Romney's makeup because Edwards's position on wealth and class is something other than "America's grand because a guy like me can get rich"? Plus, the in-crowd thinks Romney's a winner and Edwards isn't?

Mr. Ambinder, your bio says you graduated from Harvard in 2001. Son, its time for you to grow out of your Harvard habit of showing off for the other special people. I don't give a f*** how smart and insightful and knowing you are. What people like you say and do has real consequences for me and my children, the best example being the hack job on Gore that tipped the 2000 election. Now my nine year old son is at risk of getting sent off to George Bush's misbegotten war; and your ilk still doesn't care enough to do anything more than spread their propaganda and then smirk at the rest of us for being suckers. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I still don't understand how John Edwards' spending habits have anything to do with the validity of his political positions about assisting poor Americans. The fact that a rich man takes positions which will result in higher taxes to the rich is the exact opposite of hypocrisy, isn't it? It probably makes Edwards either a hero or a "class traitor," depending on your point of view. I think the fact that the mainstream media dwell on and expand upon trivia to try and make Democrats look bad is more a function of the fact that the media are owned by big business, which very obviously favors the true hypocrites, that is, the rich Republicans out to line the pockets of their rich cronies, and the fact that our major journalists are rich themselves and have no real empathy for the plight of average Americans. In other words, a combination of job pressure, careerism, power-worship and rich-guy class solidarity.

So is this why people decide to become professional journamalists, so they can get in catty little claques and arbitrarily decide whom to chuck under the bus?

"Fairly or unfairly", what a cheap dodge. None of the candidates, Democratic or Republican, are there to validate the reporters' widdle feewings, nor do they deserve to mindlessly raked over on ginned-up issues.

I love that the media constantly love to berate the nasty, uncivil bloggeristas, yet do things like this. They're tough enough to gang up on John Edwards, but they let Bush insult them and push them around at every opportunity. And they're going easy on Romney because they think he's the frontrunner, whatever the hell that's supposed to mean in terms of, um, *news* coverage.

Y'all oughta be real proud of yourselves. Real dedication to craft you got there. Makes me sick to my stomach to even think about it.

Nice try, Marcie. Aside from the commenters on this blog, who do a pretty fine job of tearing your argument (if I can even dignify it with that name) to shreds, Glenn Greenwald administers the coup de grace here:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/07/17/politico/index.html

Scroll down to "Update II" for the most relevant content.

Oops, I wrote "coup de grace." Does that make me French, a faggot, or something else? Better chow down on a nice big order of Freedom Fries to balance it. (Just remember, like King George said, the French have no word for "entrepreneur.")

I really do agree that the media is really screwing over this man and this kind of crap will continue as long as we continue to allow these right wing freaks all over our air waves like they are.

John Edwards is a very smart young leader of this country that is running for the office of President of the United States of America and he deserves respect from our media as all of them do, but that will not happen in todays media because of the people running it.

They did the same thing to Senator's Kerry & Howard Dean, President Bill Clinton and now his wife will suffer the same fate and let us not leave out Senator Obama and most all of our Democratic officials are feeling the pains, even those not running for office are targets and I will agree some more then other's and John Edwards along with Congressman Keith Ellison fits that bill, but as long as you speak out in favor of the American people and not corporate America and Bush, they are going to use our media to do you in. They think that this kind of shit keeps our leaders from speaking out against their evil policies.

American people are busy protesting Bush and Cheney about this illegal war and we need to keep on but we also need to band together in massive numbers to blast the hell out of this corporate media and do the job the FCC is not doing with their asses.

We need to shut these bastards down before the 2008 election where they are going to do some real damage with our election process and I know we should all see this comming.

So because Mittens is a selfish prick, it's okay for him to spend a small fortune on his girlie vanities?

Once again the media proves its irrelevance.

Wow - I have never read a post so enlightening.

You state that by definition, one cannot be a messenger for the poor and yet live in an "ginormous" house; and yet live a lavish lifestyle by enjoying an expensive haircut.

Do you know what you have just said?

Who among us does not aspire to the accumulation of enough wealth, such that we might live wherever and however we so desired - even a "ginormous" house, should we so choose. In fact, people used to call that "The American Dream"

You have just said that one cannot obtain "The American Dream" and still profess to care about the poor.

This explains so much about what is wrong with our nation: why so many children are homeless, why so many people cannot get care for their illnesses, why so many thought that all of New Orleans would just jump in their SUV and just drive away from the storm, why so may go without the education required to live in the 21st century and why so many die so young, so violently.

The American Dream is antithetical to professing honest concern for the poor.

Thank you, it is all so clear to me now.

John Edwards is descent American citizen who has worked hard all of his life, and should be able to live the dream with the money he and his wife have made together. if my wife was diagnosed with cancer and I could afford to her a dream home before she leaves this earth...I would. he cares about the poor in America well enough to talk about them, as he has done all of his life. thanks to john Edwards other candidates are now talking about it. I never heard Hillary make these issues priority ever....and I worked on the Clinton Gore campaign when noone ever heard of the two. people need to wake up, if they desire a dedicated president, that isnt in it...just to win it.

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