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Clinton is To Experience As Obama Is To Fresh Ideas

15 Aug 2007 06:49 pm

And which matters more? A new CBS News poll finds that 51% of registered voters don't think Barack Obama has the "right experience" to be president; 29 percent do. Hillary Clinton has the right experience, according to 59% of those surveyed; 35% don't. By contrast: WOULD THEY TRY NEW WAYS OR FOLLOW TRADITIONAL APPROACHES?
             Obama                Clinton
New ways      61%                   43%
Traditional    18%                  40%
approaches 

CBS sampled a large cross-section of registered voters, which means that this poll is a useful gauge of mass opinion; there's no direct connection between these results and surveys of likely primary voters in states.

Ok, so do voters favor new ways or traditional approaches? To what extent is this a change election? 63% favor new ways; 24 percent favor traditional approaches.
That's kind of a stale question, though, right? Most poll respondents probably think "new ways" is the right answer. How about a more directed question: which attribute do voters desire more?

EXPERIENCE VS. FRESH IDEAS?

Experience          44%
Fresh ideas         41%
What about Democrats only?
Among Democratic primary voters who value experience, Clinton leads Obama by more than three to one, 49% to 16%. Among those who value fresh ideas,
The poll doesn't ask the next logical questions in the sequence: of those Democrats paying attention now, which matters more? Of those Democrats not paying attention, which mattes more? For voters in Iowa and New Hampshire and South Carolina, which matters more?

Ok -- let's assume that folks don't think Obama has the "right experience." Does that mean they think he'll make the wrong decisions?

Two thirds of voters think it likely he would make good decisions about dealing with foreign countries, slightly fewer than say the same about Clinton.
What about Obama's ability to handle an international crisis?
Just 33% do, while more, 49%, are uneasy. Voters are also skeptical about Clinton’s ability to do so, although more voters have confidence in her.
Final salient question. How sticky are Clinton's supporters right now?
Both Obama’s and Clinton’s supporters are energized by their candidates. 63% of Democratic primary voters who back Obama say they strongly favor him, as do 61% of Clinton’s supporters.

Comments (12)

I do think the dynamics of this race are going to change in Obama's favor in November and December, for a couple reasons.

One, expectations. Clinton is the "experienced" candidate while Obama isn't. Yet its Clinton who has made the more mistatements (in my view, though the media is only starting to pick up on her mistakes). Much of what Obama has been criticized over actually was him demonstrating an understanding of current U.S. policy while Clinton has demonstrated a lack of understanding. No where is this more clear than U.S. nuclear weapons policy. So when more voters start actively paying attention, and find out Obama actually doesn't sound like a naive idiot while Clinton does occassionally make mistakes, he will surpass his expectations while she will fall short of hers.

Two, Obama is putting out some meat on the bones of his broader statements. Clinton isn't, but will have to at some point. When she does, there will be more to criticize. Doing that right before the primaries might not be the best idea. You can't make these all-things-to-all-people statements forever.

Let me clarify one thing I said above - when I wrote the dynamics will change in Obama's favor, I didn't mean to sound like I'm predicting his nomination. I only meant that I think the race will tighten toward the end of the year.

I agree with you, Paul. Except I would in fact go so far as to say I think Obama will win the nomination and presidency.

The question now is whether Obama's freshness or HRC's experience holds up under a bright light? No one has really questioned how she is so qualified. I would suggest that Hillary's numbers will drop if and when her experience bears scrutiny.

I agree about Obama's bright prospects. He's set himself up to grow support, and it looks like Hillary has peaked.

Let's try a little different polling:

Please name Hillary Clinton's three top examples that demonstrate her superior experience.

OK, you came up with flag-burning legislation. That's good.

But no, her failed effort on healthcare does not qualify.

And neither does her war on that vast right-wing conspiracy, unless you consider Rupert Murdoch's donations to her campaign and NY Post endorsement a "victory" over the right.

Hmm? So what have we got here?

Oh, I see. We are polling to see whose spin is working better. Well of course, we should expect her to win on that score.

Now what areas of change do you expect if Obama is elected?

Ethics reform. Well that's good, since he already has a track record on that in both the Illinois and US Senate. Plus he has released his earmarks.

OK, what else? Inclusive politics. Well, I guess he's good for that, according to the Republicans who worked with him over the years.

Restoring the constitutional rights that were eroded under the current Adminsitration. Well he is an expert and strong advocate of the Constitution. So that could happen.

Wanna give me one more? Honest talk from our leaders? Now that could be dangerous.

Yeah your right, maybe we better stick with Hillary.

Here is a graphic of legislation Obama sponsored in his 8 years in the Illinois Senate:

OBAMA'S RECORD = http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/07/29/us/politics/20070730_OBAMA_GRAPHIC.html

From an article by Dick Morris...in the first five years as the most influential Democrat in the Senate, Hillary has managed to get the following laws and resolutions enacted:

• Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site

• Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month

• Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor

• Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall

• Name courthouse after James L. Watson

• Name post office after John A. O'Shea

• Designate August 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day

• Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day

• Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death

• Congratulate the Syracuse University Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.

• Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship

• Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program

• Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda

• Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death

• Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.

Only five of Clinton's bills are, according to Morris, "substantive":

• Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11

• Pay for city projects in response to 9/11

• Assist landmine victims in other countries

• Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care

• Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the Wilderness Preservation System

So, in 5 years she got 5 substantial bills passed. Wow! Before that, she had essentially the same 'experience' as Laura Bush. Now THAT's impressive! lol


Clinton signing the 1994 Crime Bill
>>>Dangerous Offenders receive inadequate programs and are set free unchanged except for age; molesters of children, because the budget required to maintain maximum prisoner population requires restrictions in rehabilitation opportunities. College in US State prisons was completely eliminated by President Clinton signing the 1994 Crime Bill completely cutting off federal funding for Pell Grant assisted College in prison. This is the "Crime Bill" that also limits an individual's right to file federal habeas corpus to one single petition no matter how long they are locked up. Really obscene ****. Of those in state prison released by petitioning for Federal habeas corpus, few were released on the first filing, some were not read without the persistence of the petitioner.
There is an evil algebra that's mandatory required to manage a corrections environment.


Clinton signing the 1994 Crime Bill


Yes Bill did good things like take away the right for prisoners to go to college so he saved the country tons of money but now we have criminals coming out with no skills.

yes Bill went along with reducing bases which was started by Bush sr and he agreed to reduce troop levels and yes we may now need a draft but hey if your older like me and served you don't have to worry.

Yes Hillary wants some sort of service by all citizens but will that be the draft again?

I am all for americans to serve in one way or another but why did Bill go along with reducing Troops and bases just because his buddy Gbush sr wanted it?

Yes Bill told Kerry to throw the gays under the bus in 2004 but what is he telling Hillary now and why is her support so low at

http://visiblevote08.logoonline.com/

Oh wait Hillary will win the gay vote by getting on Ellens show.. oh thats so great another image builder but when it comes to voting to repeal DOMA she won't.

Why is Baracks site open to everyone and Clinton only allows certain approved post to be posted? Where is the free speach?

Ok so Hillary wins and you supporters get to say nah nah nah but then when her first term goes by and nothing happens (except that which the hopefully ned congress and senate votes through) where will these supporters be and who will be saying nah nah nah i don't want to be saying nah nah nah to them so i ask them to please answer the questions and make sure why they are voting for her. Its their kids and america who will suffer.

Will Hillary further divide the republicans and democrats so that the next time we get another bush type or can we all agree we need a president who will unite both parties and not just point at all republicans as bad. It was Barack working with Senator Coburn who got us the new transparecy bill which now allows americans to look online at who votes for what and what earmarks are listed and who is getting lobby money?

I just hope and pray that everyone will just work for uniting this country and not support a candidate who wants to keep the masses confused by division.

I am tired of going back and forth with division aren't you???

As far as the voters are concerned, Hillary Clinton does not have real experience. Her earned experience loaded in corruption in an old Establishment that is destroying this country should NOT count as valid. It is completely unfair and dishonest. We do not need more of the same dirty politics that could only lead to chaos and more of what we are already seeing now: more poverty and desperation. Only Senator Barack Obama is the most qualified, not only in quality experience and wonderful good unique ideas but much more that only the entire world will benefit from with his good leadership. He is clean, honest, truthful, open, with a vision that this country and its people need. Let us not be confused by those that do not want to recognize that Hillary’s “experience” is like having none. Truly speaking, Hillary Clinton lacks of the kind of experience we need and want if we think for our ourselves without any influence of the bad media and also want good change. Is it unacceptable that the media is trying to push into us this business of Hillary’s ‘experience’ by writing about ‘experience’. We are imposed to read such a title with their hidden hope that we will either be discouraged or simply do not vote. Such writers either have no professional integrity or simply are being forced to do so by their bosses.
The only argument that Hillary Clinton is hiding behind the fake polls that “shows” that she is “high” in the polls when precisely people believe that is immoral and dishonest that she can argue that she is high in the polls. It is also suspicious.. Her husband’s body friend Gupta Vino controls the polls and can cheat with numbers or any process of the polling in favor of Hillary Clinton. Someone may be fabricating numbers for her as she can say arrogantly whatever she pleases with the certainty that she will remain “high” in the polls, deceiving people openly with the help of her corrupt friends. She is so confident that the high polls will convince people that she is already the winner. This will not be so. She is completely mistaken. The polling business is a story that is trying to create confusion and more division among us. We are intelligent and will not let the polls nor the language that is used purposefully with questionable purposes dictate to us how to vote. We all must protest, write, and look for the truth.
The Clintons are the worse nightmare that this country is experiencing in these difficult times. They both continues playing the game of corruption together, as a team. We are tired of this boring couple who at heart do not have any respect nor love for this country and its people.

Hopefully a bright light will shine upon the FARCE that Hillary
is more experienced than anyone else. Gimme a break.
Even Obama has been in elected office longer.
....I don't know why nobody points that out.

August 17th, '07


You in the press accept too much money from Mrs. Clinton and her husband to speak in their favor. Notice I said "their" which means Mrs. Clinton has NO experience aside from being first lady which is, I might add, as a spectator or in second place.

Everything Mrs. Clinton has, including her "experience," she owes to her husband who possesses at least half of everything she calls hers. Therefore Mrs. Clinton's so-called experience does not belong to her solely.

A vast pool of seasoned professionals--former presidents, diplomats, military generals, political strategists et al--makes themselves accessible for Barack Obama to draw from to assist him in his decisions relative to foreign relations. Shut up, about Barack Obama not being experienced because he is!

Barack Obama promises much needed improvements to the old Washington Establishment politics--of making back room deals, bribery, kick-backs, election gerrymandering, budget ear-marking, etc.--of which Mrs. Clinton and her husband are deeply entrenched. She represents the status quo ante, because she will return us to re-visit her husband's policies from his presidential administration and ultimately we will have to confront the Constitutional ordeal Mrs. Clinton and her husband being in the white house a third time will impose on us Americans.

Stop moaning about Barack Obama and his so-called short comings. He's got more character to take his place in history along the likes of George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Roosevelt, and John Kennedy to name a few of the great presidents and commander-in-chiefs we've had--who had that presidential courage and virtue that helped them advance our country to its greatness--than does Mrs. Clinton (OR Bill). Rememer the foreign policy screw-ups of Bill Clinton when he was president helped instigate Septemper 11th, because he had no gumption to stand up to our enemies so they considered us weak and vulnerable, until eventually they attacked us in our homeland.

Kathy Caudle
Salt Lake City, UT
Barack Obama Supporter