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Fred Takes On Rudy On Guns

21 Aug 2007 04:01 pm

Many Republicans believe that Rudy Giuliani's record on gun rights will be as tough a gauntlet to cross as his cultural liberalism. Fred Thompson seems to agree.

When I was working in television, I spent quite a bit of time in New York City. There are lots of things about the place I like, but New York gun laws don’t fall in that category.

Anybody who knows me knows I’ve always cared deeply about the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. So I’ve always felt sort of relieved when I flew back home to where that particular civil liberty gets as much respect as the rest of the Bill of Rights.

Unfortunately, New York is trying, again, to force its ways on the rest of us, this time through the courts. First, they went after U.S. gun manufacturers, seeking through a lawsuit not only money but injunctive control over the entire industry. An act of congress in 2005 blocked, but did not end, that effort.

Now, the same activist federal judge from Brooklyn who provided Mayor Giuliani’s administration with the legal ruling it sought to sue gun makers, has done it again. Last week, he created a bizarre justification to allow New York City to sue out-of-state gun stores that sold guns that somehow ended up in criminal hands in the Big Apple.

The lawsuit has been a lesson in out-of-control government from the get-go. Mayor Bloomberg sent private investigators to make “straw” purchases – illegally buying guns for somebody else. According to the ATF, NY’s illegal “stings” interfered with ongoing investigations of real gun traffickers.

Obviously, New York won’t get much cash out of the few dozen shops being sued in Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Virginia; so the purpose can only be political. Some of those sued have already buckled under the financial strain of legal defense and agreed to live by New York City rules.

Ironically, all of this comes at a time of historically low violent crime rates and historically high gun ownership rates nationally. States where it is legal to carry guns are also at an all-time high, up to 40 from 10 in 1987 by NRA reckoning.

While this attack by New York City on the Second Amendment reinforces the importance of appointing judges who apply the law as written, there is another important legal point. Federalism, though usually seen as a protection of the states from the federal government, actually grew out of the need to protect states from other states that interfered in free commerce beyond their borders – as New York is doing today. In this case, we need Federalism to protect states from a big bully in New York City.

Comments (18)

The lazy Fredo has nothing to show as his accomplishments during his senate career and hence he ia attacking Rhudy. In his 6 years in senate Fredo was major sponsorer only for 5 bills. Check it out..

A scouring of the legislative website of the Library of Congress, from 1995 to 2002, when Mr. Thompson was in the Senate, yields a total of five bills that became law for which he was the head sponsor. A sixth passed the Senate and was replaced by an identical House bill that was eventually signed by the president.

The bills include the naming of a post office and courthouse in Cookeville, Tenn., a private bill that granted permanent residency status to a young Bolivian girl getting treatment for cancer and her family and several other minor pieces of legislation. A quick comparison with Senator John McCain, his rival for the Republican presidential nomination, for the same period turns up 17 bills that became law for which Mr. McCain was the lead sponsor.

In terms of all bills, amendments and resolutions they sponsored during that time period, the scorecard for McCain versus Thompson reads: 840 to 167.

Fred Thompson is a joke. He has had since March to plan and implent an organizational hierarchy. He can't even plan his organization.

Instead, he plays non-campaign to write a bunch of shoddy essays. Between campaign finance reform and tort reform this guy has no room to talk about his progun credentials.

It amazes me. You have have a Constitution which guarantees the right to bear arms, and yet there are those who joyfuly violate the right. And somehow a politician like Fred, who reminds these violators that there is a right to bear arms, is labeled a joke. Thank God there is a second amendment. That way when too many liberals take us too far away from the Constitution, we will possess the means to get it back.

Fred cannot even get his facts straight but what is new this this non-campaign?

Has anyone noticed how bad he looked at the Iowa State Fair. Compare picture of him at the Freedom Concert in July to the pictures out of Iowa. He has lost a lot of weight. Why won't the MSM confront him on the weight loss and demand to see his medical records.

I am a Republican but I believe that Elizabeth Edwards handling her cancer was the right thing to do. Thompson, if he is as sick as he looks, is pulling a scam on the GOP and the voters and should be ashamed. If he is looking for adoration because he is an actor and craves it, getting involved in a Presidential race is the wrong thing to do to this Country. Being President is serious, not something to spend your time being driven around in a golf cart and posting on the Internet.

Fred Thompson is not a candidate, mearly something "thinking" about running for office. And as such, you should mearly "think" about giving up so much space on your blog.

HEY FRED, THE CHANCE TO JUMP IN PASSED YOU BY!!

Have fun awnsering the questions from the FEC lawyers!

Fred Thompson scares the hell out of liberals and so-called "Republicans" such as Samatha above. He does so because he echos Reagan, and the left can't stand to think that someone in the Republican party might rise up and take on that mantle. Fred Thompson may indeed run for President, but unlike any other candidate regardless of party out there right now, he would be doing it for the good of the Country and not for personal gain or pride. That is precisely the type of individual we need as President right now.

How can one "cross a guantlet"? A gauntlet is a protective covering on the lower arms and wrists, usually worn by cowboys or swordsmen. Unless the wearer of these items is prostrate they would be hard to cross.

Try another metaphor.

I would also like to see another term than 'Summit' used for a meeting. The original summit was held on top of a mountain. That's where the summit is, right up there on the top of the mountain. There's got to be some better word to use for important meetings.

All of you who are getting upset over what Fred Thomspon did or didn't do are forgetting----if you ever realized it in the first place----that your vote means nothing. Presidential hopefuls are selected by forces behind the scenes, not elected; if elections were on the level, why is there an Electoral College to adjust the numbers before the final tally? It is the big corporations, and the Big Money behind them, who call the shots. We have no control over the government; we haven't had for a long time, and we never will again. I would suggest you unplug from the hype and hysteria, face Reality for the first time, and adjust to a halfway normal life. I frankly don't think most of you are up to that.

Wow, that's a dumb comment Thom.

Sure a gauntlet can mean:
1) a medieval glove, as of mail or plate, worn by a knight in armor to protect the hand.

But it also means:
2) A Challenge
3) A former punishment, chiefly military, in which the offender was made to run between two rows of men who struck at him with switches or weapons as he passed.
4) The two rows of men administering this punishment.
5) An attack from two or all sides.
6) Trying conditions; an ordeal.

Seems definition 3 might fit, no?

Typical Republican 1-dimensional thinking. The world must be very confusing to you. No wonder you want to solve every problem by shooting someone.

Out of so many comments, only 1 is actually on topic? Very interesting....

I agree with Robert. Guns are here to stay. This 2nd amendment blather is getting old. Take them away from law-abiding citizens and the criminals will still have them. This isn't news. Until you can take the human nature out of humans, there will always be violent crime. And, I'm proud to be able to protect myself and my family with legally owned and operated firearms. I am not a violent person, nor do I huddle in the corners of my home in fright, clinging to a loaded firearm. I just know that I might have a fighting chance should some day I have no other choice.

Gary Cornelisse's comment is interesting, but too smugly based on assumptions. Neither the Good Guys or the Bad Guys or the Gov't will be there to protect you, Gary. When you're playing on the US team, you're on your own. When the gov't declares war on its own people and then passes laws making it illegal to fight back, it isn't rocket science to figure out that the system is out of control. There is no solution. None at all. And, according to The Miranda Law, we all have the right to remain silent. Remaining silent is what makes you A Good American. Just ask anyone in the Judicial Department. Better yet, go down to the local doughnut shop and ask a cop.

Did you not read all my post? I'm for the right to keep and bear arms for exactly all the reasons you just stated Lee. My right to bear arms gives me the power to protect myself. And, when the gov't declares war on it's own people, I, a member of *the people*, have a way to fight back. And, simply being apart of the conversation shows that I'm not being silent, in addition to my blog. I'm not even going to chase your electoral college rant. I think your confused or else we're not talking about the same thing.

The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights was ratified in 1791. It reads:

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Mr Thompson, which well regulated militia do you serve?

Ah, yes, what did they really mean? Was that comma between 'state' and 'the' really meant to be a period or was this just the funny way all those old people talked? I agree that any moderate person could argue this either way. Just like it would be impractical to send 20 million illegal immigrants back to the countries, how does a government take away many tens of millions more firearms from it's own citizens? Shouldn't we really be spending more time discussing practical solutions? Better yet, how about we insist that our government enforce the countless gun laws we already have. I can think of 32 beautiful lives, off the top of my head, they could have saved last April in Virginia.

Let me get this straight, Tammy. Your think we need MORE laws in this country? Yikes!

There are too many laws on the books already, and some of them, like our immigration laws, are not being enforced.

Thank God for a conservative Federalist like Fred Thompson, who worked in the Senate to check federal growth, reign in government spending and keep Uncle Sam out of our lives. Now that both both major political parties are pro big governnment, a candidate like Thompson offers hope of saving the GOP and the nation.

Marc A.
I see that you are a scholar of the "Bill of Rights" I wonder what the phrase " the right of the people" in the 1st and 4th amendment means. Doesn't it mean the same thing in the 2nd amendment? I believe it refers to an individuals right.

David,
One doesn't need to be a scholar to cite the text. According to my hysterical reading of the text the aim of the second amendment is to legitimize "a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state".

Regarding Gary Cornlisse's response to my summation of the State of the disUnion on 21 August, all I can say is that his thin-skinned approach to the real world illustrates the problem. Oh, I've got a gun! Oh, I have the Constitutional right to do this and that! We have laws to protect the people! Dream on, Gary. The gov't has us by the throats, and it's illegal to do anything about it. *And it's interesting that you danced around the issue of the Electoral College. You know, the way you think and write, one would get the impression that you still believe that politics are on the level.