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Obama And Nuclear Weapons

02 Aug 2007 05:01 pm

The first conventional Washington rule about nuclear strike policy is that you don't talk about nuclear strike policy.

The second conventional Washington rule about nuclear strike policy is that when you are forced to talk about nuclear strike policy, you respond with a variant of "All options are on the table."

Some comments of Barack Obama today reached critical mass by late afternoon. When the AP first reported that Obama had said he would never use nuclear weapons, the context was unclear. And so was his answer, which included a pause and then the addition: "involving civilians." And then he tried to scratch his entire answer. So -- was Obama announcing to the world that the United States would never use its stockpile of nuclear weapons? Unilateral disarmament? Turns out that the AP story failed to add a very important bit of context. Obama was asked about using nuclear weapons against terrorist targets Afghanistan and Pakistan; the Bush Administration has never ruled out using tactical nukes to root out underground terrorist safe havens. In this much more limited context, Obama was setting some policy: no, he would not ever consider using nuclear weapons on terrorist targets in those two countries.

Still, he violated Rule 1 and Rule 2, which drew a response from Sen. Hillary Clinton.

"Presidents should be very careful at all times in discussing the use or non-use of nuclear weapons," Clinton said. "Presidents since the Cold War have used nuclear deterrence to keep the peace. And I don't believe that any president should make any blanket statements with respect to the use or non-use of nuclear weapons."

There's no question that Obama ought to have been more careful with his words. That, when he's asked about using nuclear weapons, his mind immediately sends words to his mouth is evidence that his internal monitor developed outside Washington.

The Clinton campaign will use this story to further a narrative about Obama -- that he is too inexperienced to handle radioactive national security questions.

The Obama campaign might use this story to reinforce its own efforts to draw distinctions between the Old Ways Of Washington and the New Way Of Obama.

Comments (23)

spot on but here's the catch:

the question was about nuking Afghanistan and Pakistan right?

But hrc's "Presidents since the Cold War have used nuclear deterrence to keep the peace" is completely irrelevant and ridiculous under the circumstances of the questions asked. Deterrence isn't an issue with al qaeda, who are not leaders of a state and whose members are willing to blow themselves up. So keeping the nuclear option on the table for a group of extremists makes no sense whatsoever. This is simply more washington rhetoric from Hillary. More conventional wisdom. it's silly. she used a standard talking point to criticize obama and didn't care that it was a more specific question

Moreover, your rules apply to states not terrorists. We're not negotiating with these people so telling them what we're doing is not a problem right? That's why biden's and hrc's remarks are so off the mark. Broadcasting what you're gonna do is bad policy when dealing with Iran (and obama has said all options there) but is not bad policy for terrorists because we will not and should not negotiate with them.

Too late! The mainstream 'bash Obama' media was too quick to jump on the false drudge story, so the damage is done. Yeah, he may have violated rule 1 and 2, but the press seems to be using a different standard for Obama than other candidates. As I understand, they have always respected a candidate's option to restate an answer w/o revealing the "do over" to the press. Why treat Senator Obama differently?

Not that it matters at this point, but the media seems not to want to take Senator Clinton to task for revearsing her statement of yesterday on possible strikes in Pakistan when she initially agreed (and even more Hawkish than Senator Obama) and today she disagrees.

Hillary Clinton, August 2

"I am concerned about talking about it. I think everyone agrees that our goal should be to capture or kill bin Laden and his lieutenants but how we do it should not be telegraphed and discussed for obvious reasons."

Hillary Clinton, August 1

"I've long believed that we needed tougher, smarter action against terrorists by deploying more troops to Afghanistan, and if we had actionable intelligence that Osama bin Laden or other high-value targets were in Pakistan I would ensure that they were targeted and killed or captured."

Hillary's being a bit mean-spirited with this tit-for-tat. She should make like Edwards and embrace Obama's very electable idea.

http://political-buzz.com/

the media loves to twist whatever Obama says in order to further the cause of their candidate, Hillary.
We all know how they love to make him look like some bumbling idiot. It goes with their trying to influence our primaries.
One of the reasons for this addresses the cw question. The media is totally inside the beltway where the same old answers and cw just keep going around over and over even though it is proved to be a massive failure.
Obama, who is an out of the box thinker and has new ideas and doesn't give a crap about the old cw, will say it like it is. The press just hates the thought of someone upsetting the well ordered and failed world they live in.

Ok, here's my question:

Why are these conventional rules to begin with? What is the substantive defense of these rules' existance?

When since Hiroshima and Nagasaki has the use of nuclear weapons been a good idea?

It boggles the mind that so-called serious people in DC believe these cold war strategic doctrines apply to the kind of threats we're dealing with today. If he broke these conventional rules, then hell -- it's about time someone did.

The "prevailing conventinal foreign policy wisdom" is what got us into Iraq in the first place. And every single one of the candidates who are piling on Obama now (Biden, Dodd, McCain, Hillary...), operating from within the Washington encapsulated consensus about "how we do things" (and this debate the last few days seems to be more about how we talk than what we say...) are responsible for taking us there, "misgivings" or not.

All Barack Obama has done the last week or so is speak necessary truths about what our response to the world, and the threats the world poses for us, should be. We should be willing to meet with anybody and everybody who can advance our interests and help solve our common problems, without making them agree with us on all the essential points before we meet. We should be willing to strike against people and organizations who threaten our lives and our security anywhere, anytime and anyplace, with our allies if we can, but without them if it becomes urgent and necessary. (The prudent and wise exercise of that perogative is a function of good judgement and intelligence, and for that we have to rely on the past words and deeds of the folks we entrust with power. But I would refer anybody who doubts Obama to his "call" on Iraq back in 2002.) And no, we will not use nuclear weapons on people in the mountains of Afganistan and Pakistan. Does anybody really think that acknowledging that clear moral and political reality in any way makes us less safe?

And if you read his entire speech from Wednesday, it seems like as subtle and nuanced a statement on "threat" we face as I've seen by a candidate for President in this election cycle. And it has the advantage of being, not an "anti-war" speech, but an "anti-DUMB war" speech that only Barack Obama has the credentials to make, since he clearly and eloquently (and singularly, in this field...) articulated his strategy while everybody else was buying into the "conventional foreign policy wisdom" and voting to march headlong in the wrong direction into a quagmire.

You obviously did not read her July 26 statement, Dee. When you put them together, you will see it is a much more sane approach.

When the story broke I was pretty much "curtains for Obama," but on second thought i don't know. What is the take away from the past few weeks. Certainly that he seems to play fast and loose with the press. Certainly that someone should tell his campaign that he is under the microscope now. But the don't tell them what we are going to do with our nukes critique is well, naive when one considers that we don't even know how we are going to upgrade our stockpile without new testing (a decision the next president has to make). If Obama talks tough about Pakistan, his election would change the accommodations we have made there (assuming he stands by what he says). But now we know (or more importantly china and india know) that he is going to use nukes (or tactical nukes)--not a sign of weakness a sign of moral resolve. And expressing a willingness to talk to Iran changes the diplomatic landscape in the Middle East. Of course you can read it as crazy, sloppy, and accommodationist, but have you heard the guy? Do you really think he is guilty of fuzzy thinking. Obama walks away from this as the young guy who tried to offer a vision (open to diplomacy, tough on terror, but not about to nuke mecca) and the rest of the field jumped on him and said how much they disagreed with this. So what does that mean they stand for? They are going to have to come around and either agree with Obama or go on the record saying they will use the bomb. Not a place anyone wants to be. Slip of the tongue?

Obama is totally right. When fundamentalist militants kidnapped Chinese hookers in Islamabad, Musharraf immediately acted by launching a raid on the Red Mosque where they were being held. Why?? Because China told Musharraf he'd better take action, and Musharraf was afraid to say no. You see, unlike America, the Chinese don't fool around and they don't take guff or backtalk. When America asks Musharraf to destroy the AlQaeda hideouts, then they get a lot of whining and complaining from Musharraf's govt. And Musharraf has even been signing peace treaties with the Taliban groups. China doesn't get this kind of whining from Musharraf, only America does. Because the Pakistanis know how to play the Yankee Gringo Tourist. Obama is totally right to be putting more heat on Musharraf, and not falling for this 'instability' argument, like the other suckers in the US govt.

You don`t invade a sovereign country who has nuclear weapons. Haven`t we learned anything from Iraq. Obama may be new and different but that does not make him better.

I am puzzled by Hillary's views on deterrence. Deterrence "works" when we rule out a first strike (mind you, the Soviets didn't have the same beliefs about MAD). So, ruling out nukes to weed out terrorists in a nuclear country seems to me the right attitude. Moreover, the key to the 1990's was not deterrence, but getting the nukes out of the Post-S.S.R. states. Obama's comments are completely appropriate for a post-Cold War candidate running for president.

I personally don't want to hear a Dem's intellectual musings about tactical nuclear weaponry and limited war. Those are not tactics that will combat Islamism. They simply hark back to the Cold War. Again, people attack Obama for his naivety. Let's not forget that the Gipper intellectually mused about ridding the world of nuclear weapons when he was president.

The Obama-bashing media is really beginning to tire me out. I read his speech on "war on terror" foreign policy. That Pakistan line was a blip. No candidate would say anything different. In fact, they affirmed it in the first S.C. debate. As for the rest of the speech, with the "American Voices" centers abroad, it sounded a bit like the high school senior promising a soda machine by the locker room. I am not one to criticize a candidate, though, for pledging to increase foreign aid by $50 billion, particularly when it isn't being used for weaponry (*cough- Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel, Bahrain, Oman, UAE).

Deterrence really only worked once and that was with the Soviets. The Soviets didn't hold our understanding of MAD leaving me to question you with the precise mechanisms that allows deterrence to work. Our having 6,000 nukes doesn't stop nuke trafficking (read A. Q. Kahn), and it doesn't stop proliferation (read: Pakistan, North Korea). Obama is spot on with containing all of the loose fissile material out there. He has made it a main part of his FP platform, and he is dead on with the risks it poses. The threat of a terrorist network actually having a nuke is pretty minimal. The threat of a terrorist exploding a dirty bomb is much higher. Frankly, I don't see how an outmoded philosophy of deterrence is going to stop that from happening.

You say "his internal monitor developed outside Washington" as if it were a bad thing.

Maybe for Beltway pundits, it is. And maybe inside the Beltway, equivocating and fli-flopping and taking mealy-mouthed positions is indeed considered "more presidential" or a sign of a seriousness. But outside the Beltway, someone who speaks honestly and directly and straight-forwardly strikes a much more resonant chord with voters than someone who parses every word and measures every statement against poll numbers and focus groups.

You don`t invade a sovereign country who has nuclear weapons. Haven`t we learned anything from Iraq. Obama may be new and different but that does not make him better.

Obama never said anything about an "invasion". Just stop it. Either argue with the facts or be quiet.

Pakistan gives sanctuary to the terrorists who killed 3,000 Americans are again planning attacks under Pakistani protection. That's OK?

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/08/03/campaign_memo_barack_obama_was_1.html


The United States has not talked directly to Iran at a high level, and they have continued to build their nuclear weapons program, wreak havoc in Iraq, and support terror.
The United States has not talked directly to Syria at a high level, and they have continued to meddle in Lebanon and support terror.
The United States did not talk to North Korea for years, and they were able to produce enough material for 6 to 8 more nuclear bombs.


For years, we have given President Musharraf hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid, while deferring to his cautious judgment on how to take out high-level al Qaeda targets - including, most likely, Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri. Here is the result:

Bin Laden and Zawahiri - two men with direct responsibility for 9/11- remain at large. Al Qaeda has trained and deployed hundreds of fighters worldwide from its sanctuary in northwest Pakistan. Afghanistan is far less secure because the Taliban can strike across the border, and then return to safety in Pakistan.

By any measure, this strategy has not worked. Conventional wisdom would have us defer to Musharraf in perpetuity…If Musharraf is willing to go after the terrorists and stop the Taliban from using Pakistan as a base of operations, Obama would give him all of the support he needs. But Obama made clear that as President, if he had actionable intelligence about the whereabouts of al Qaeda leaders in Pakistan - and the Pakistanis continued to refuse to act against terrorists known to be behind attacks on American civilians - then he will use highly targeted force to do so.

Barack Obama gave the sensible answer that nuclear force was not necessary, and would kill too many civilians. Conventional wisdom held this up as a sign of inexperience. But if experience leads you to make gratuitous threats about nuclear use - inflaming fears at home and abroad, and signaling nuclear powers and nuclear aspirants that using nuclear weapons is acceptable behavior, it is experience that should not be relied upon.

American foreign policy is broken… broken by people who supported the Iraq War, opposed talking to our adversaries, failed to finish the job with al Qaeda, and alienated the world with our belligerence. Yet conventional wisdom holds that people whose experience includes taking these positions are held up as examples…

My reaction watching msnbc this afternoon was, "Is this serious? Obama is getting bashed for saying he would not use nuclear weapons on terrorist targets in Pakistan and Afghanistan? If the conventional wisdom says that is wrong, I guess it goes to show how sick the system is." I am glad I was not alone in that sentiment.

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