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Parsing Elizabeth Edwards: Reductio Ad Absurdum

07 Aug 2007 05:34 pm

Elizabeth Edwards says:

"In some ways, it's the way we have to go," Edwards says. "We can't make John black, we can't make him a woman. Those things get you a lot of press, worth a certain amount of fundraising dollars. Now it's nice to get on the news, but not the be all and end all."

Her complaint reminds me of something I hear a lot of Democrats say: to wealthy donors and to the metropolitan press corps, Obama represents the great fulfillment of liberalism. But I've never heard anyone suggest that he is somehow advantaged in this process and a rich white guy in the South is oppressed by his race or gender.

Although, re-rereading Edwards, it seems that she's making a less incendiary (still debatable) point: that Obama (and Clinton) get too much press (unearned media) only because of their race and gender.

Per an Edwards aide, here is what drives Elizabeth Edwards's frustration: last weekend, you might not know, if you weren't there, that John Edwards forced Hillary Clinton to defend lobbyists, and not Barack Obama. Not some nobody. John Edwards. But the press (in Elizabeth Edwards's view) has apparently decided that it's a two person race, and that if someone else drives a storyline, it's irrelevant to the story. Hence, the campaign has turned to less traditional outlets.

Still, it is hard to see what Obama's race or Clinton's gender have to do with the perception that either has a better shot to win the nomination than Edwards.

Also: Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are two different creatures of history. Clinton's gender and Obama's race (actually, he has a black father and a white mother, and what is race, anyway) are not identical in terms of their relevance to their campaigns.

Using Edwards's logic, one could easily say (just as reductively), that without his Southern accent, John Edwards would be just another wealthy trial lawyer.

Clearly, folks aren't supporting Obama because he's black or Clinton because she's a woman.

By the way: what does Elizabeth Edwards think of this story?

Comments (16)

Seems to me that context is everything here. Asked a question about the use of the web, Edwards said that her husband's campaign's reliance on the web is in some ways necessitated by the mainstream media's (understandable and even justified) interest in covering a story OTHER than "rich white southern guy runs for President again." And as far as fundraising goes, does anyone really contest the idea that more television coverage = more fundraising money?

Clearly, folks aren't supporting Obama because he's black or Clinton because she's a woman.

I'm sure this is (largely) true - but Elizabeth certainly isn't arguing this point. If you look at what Elizabeth said, it would read more like this:

Clearly, the media will to some real extent be more interested in Obama because he's black and Clinton because she's a woman. (That's why we're relying on the web.)

Still an interesting story?

Now Elizabeth and her husband surely know as well as anyone else that they walk a tight-rope any time they so much as acknowledge Hillary's gender or Obama's ethnicity. (See the varied interpretations, many of them negative, about Edwards' "I don't know about that suit" comment at the close of the last debate.) But surely she's allowed to point out that the media will be less interested in yet another white man and more interested in the fact that an African-American and a woman are running (and running hard) for the Democratic nomination?

Elizabeth Edwards is appealing to the angry straight white male in a reverse-politically correct way.

Neither Obama nor Hillary could do the same with their respective "black" or "woman" cards without serious political damage, most likely among those same independent-leaning Democratic and Republican straight white males.

This is Edward's political reality. Considering his weakening position in the polls, he can't afford NOT to play this card.

Although I'm a Clinton supporter, I can't say I blame him. While it is indeed a political tactic, it's a tactic that Edwards simply has to risk trying.

Clearly, folks aren't supporting Obama because he's black or Clinton because she's a woman.

Clearly?

I hate to break it to you, but frankly most of the people that I know who support either of these candidates do so primarily because of their respective identifications. Many voters choose candidates on superficial characteristics - yes even Liberals do this - some LOVE the 'idea of a woman president' or the 'idea of a black president'. When you hear the rhetorical question, 'is America ready for...?' the speaker often intends to promote the exclusion of other qualifications - they're daring you to prove that you're not a bigot. Ironically this same perspective may prove to be an albatross for both candidates - how much can we trust a candidate whom you can't criticize without being accused of bigotry?

One of my good friends and I were talking this weekend about the election, and one of the women who works for him said she was voting for Hillary because she was a woman. Some folks are clearly supporting her based on gender identification.

I am not sure those supporting Obama do so because of his color. However I am very sure those supporting Hillary are primarily doing so because she is a woman. I know this because people readily admit they want a woman to become the next president. I think Obama is appealing to a broader base that buys into the idea that a softer, gentlier approach is the answer to the world's woes. If elected, this would be a new approach and that is what is being embraced or not.

RAce, and certainly plays a roll in the voter's
Look at the URL. It reflects how people will not vote because of race, gender or religion. It also goes the opposite way.. some female will vote for clinton because she a female; some blacks will vote for Obama because he is black and others will vote for Edward because he is white male.
The ignorance of those voters does surface quickly.
I am going to vote for the person who I think will be able to clean up the mess that Bush will leave behind.

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heheh. That's beyond silly.

Clearly, many people are doing exactly that!
And many others aren't.

Edwards is as corrupt as all of the other politicians vying for the honor and power of the presidency. He's a dirty roten scoundrel.

And he's got my vote.

I voted for Bush in '04 because I appreciated certain positions that he stood pat on despite mounds of criticism tossed his way (what they were are immaterial to my point here - feel free to click over to my blog if you're terribly interested) but in this election, of all the candidates runing, Edwards is my man. I mean my BLACK WOMAN! (sorry for the typo)

Edwards is the only one of the candidates who appears to have a chance of understanding that the cut-throat capitalism of this country that believes that "greed is good" and "to the winner goes all the spoils" is at the heart of almost every other national ill we face as a nation.

He claims to be looking out for the poor and disenfranchised and I know (as did every thinker from the Hebrew prophets onwards) that aiding the poor is the goddamn ONLY way to save the soul of society as a whole and to redeem it from all of the ills that ail it.

ED WARDS .

Love ya all,

mnuez
www.mnuez.blogspot.com

What a silly statement, I have lost a lot of respect that I had up until this moment for Mrs. Edwards.

First off, if Hillary were some random woman (perhaps named 'Ferraro') she would get almost no press at all. Hillary gets press because she is the wife of a former President. Period. How else would an Arkansas girl from Chicago become Senator from New York despite never having lived there?

Second, let's look at the tremendous amount of press and donations that Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton got in 2000. Yes. Those huge crowds and record-breaking fundraising numbers that those guys got indicate the tremendous disadvantage that a white man has when running for President. I'm just surprised that the Jackson/Sharpton ticket didn't defeat Bush/Cheney. Maybe if they had the two best white men in the race we would have won the thing. Imagine what a Kerry/Edwards ticket could have done if only all the attention and money didn't go to the black candidates!

Will and Moe, you got it right.

In fact, the reason that many people are supporting Hillary Clinton (because she's a woman and because she's a Clinton) and Barack Obama (because he's a talented politican who happens to be black), is because they see Democrats as one homogenous unit.

When you see all candidates as representing the same thing because they are from the same party, then people tend to make final decisions based on subjective things like "race" and "gender."

That's why Hillary Clinton keeps spouting "we are all Democrats," because she doesn't want differences among the candidates belief systems to be highlighted. She wants the water muddied, so her being a Clinton and being female will be enough.

The other candidates have to stress the fact that all Democrats don't think alike, because only then will many people stop thinking this is just a popularity contest.

I would like to know the question that she was asked specifically, because people are not posting the question. I know what the "event" was about, but if the questioner asked her anything about Clinton's gender or Obama's race, then Elizabeth Edwards' statement is not controversial at all, but I wouldn't expect the media to include the question too often, because this is the Edwards campaign we are talking about here, and their goal is to sabatoge it.

It wasn't so long ago that she was using her cancer in the same way that she claims Hillary and Obama garner attention with their gender and race. No, Liz, we can't make John Black or a woman. But maybe you can give Hillary and Obama cancer ...

Senator Barack Obama is special because he is black. If he were a white man I doubt he would be where he is. I do not mean to minimize his talents, but his race has given him an advantage. Democrats love “diversity” and the media loves the idea of the first black president. Senator Clinton is special because she is married to a former president and a woman. Senators Obama and Clinton are talented people, but they have more than their talents to thank for their success. Candidates like former Senator Edwards and Senator Joe Biden are disadvantaged in the Democratic primary because they are white men. I wish Democrats cared less about visual “diversity” and more about a candidate’s ideas.

I like Obama and Clinton a lot but I also recognize their advantages in this race.

Elizabeth Edwards role in her husband's presidential campaign is so coldly calculated as to make Donald Trump blush. Elizabeth takes the lead in criticizing opponents for "unfair" criticisms of her husband while immune from counterpunches due to her unfortunate cancer. Everyone knows how she's being used, but nobody can lay a glove on her. Sickening, isn't it?

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