AMES -- The announcement of tonight's straw poll results has been delayed due to what one informed source says was a voting machine malfunction. About 4,500 ballots had to be re-run. We are waiting....
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Not enough votes for Romney, I guess? 
Darn those chads!
Lol, the Ron Paul people are going to have a field day with this.
What's this, Ron Paul came in first? This must be wrong! Discard those results!
Maybe the Ron Paul people were right and they are going to try and steal it from him....
Yeah, say what you want, but this is almost too ham-fisted to ignore. Exactly what the "conspiracy theorists" were predicting, huh?
Sounds like ron paul did great and they need to throw away his votes! HAhahahah! It looks like Romney couldn't even BUY this election!!!!
Bizarre... those electronic voting machines are a farce. (Counting votes shouldn't be that hard.)
The Romney folks are very closely tied in with the RPI. I don't like this one bit. I fully expect every ballot to be hand-counted.
lol ... gotta agree with the RP tinfoil crowd on this one. Romney has pulled this crap before. If Romney squeaks out a victory of under 2000 votes, I think that would be the best possible outcome for Paul, because it's such great conspiracy-theory grist.
I've just heard from inside sources that Romney is throwing a hissing fit. Apparently he is pissed that he couldn't buy the poll.
Wonder if the voting machines were made in Mexico?
Yo! Stop with the conspiracy theories! I'm for Ron Paul, but you guys are just going to scare everday people off!
Oh sure, the wonderful vote fraud devices must have malfunctioned and let the wrong candidate win. What a load of poo.I think it is time to demand paper ballots nationwide. I want to know that MY vote is counted even though it can be cancelled by an illegal alien voting.....Screw Free Tibet, FREE AMERICA!!!!
Wow! Electronic voting has made things SO much more convenient and reliable. Thank you Diebold.
Also, it's not like the IA GOP was overwhelmed by unexpected turnout. This was about 1/3 of their expected turnout. I am a Republican and I fully expected Romney to take this away ... but I honestly believe the IA GOP are goosing Romney's numbers for him.
Do they have paper ballots? Some are saying we need to become registered notaries and demand that exit polls be conducted and notarized to keep them honest.
Word was going around on Ron Paul groups that there was a fix in specifically connected to the use of these machines. Apparently a lot of RP supporters complained directly to the Iowa GOP about the many drawbacks of these machines, so much that the official campaign asked them to stop. Now, their claims suddenly carry a lot more weight. Someone - I don't know who or from what campaign - will challenge these results.
Sure the machines malfunctioned. Probably to many Ron Paul votes. Gotta make make sure the one who bought the straw poll(Romney) gets his money's worth.
Eh, Romney has already lost. They just delayed again (until 8pm IA time). This is pathetic. I call fraud. Not kidding.
The RPI owes it to everyone involved to do a hand-count of all the ballots.
They are re-running nearly a third of the casted ballots?!? Who is going to trust the Ames Straw Poll Results now, after the run-up we've had?
Ron Paul is trying to steal votes!! It's all part of the Zionist campaign for world domination......Ron Paul is only one small pawn in the hands of these powerful elite. WHEN WILL YOU PEOPLE WAKE UP?!?!?
Romney tried to buy the vote and lost. Now he is trying to fix the vote!
I guess Ron Paul supporters spammed to many votes for the machines to handle.
You realize the straw poll is a straw poll right? No one gets anything but media attention from it. If someone "stole" it it's not a crime because we're not talking about an election here.
Yeah, this is nonsense... Ron Paul won and they don't know what to do. HAHAHAHAH GOOD! FREEEEEEEEEEEEDOM!
You mean Romney needed 4,500 more votes to look presentable?
Alex: Do they have paper ballots? They used paper ballots and scanned them, but apparently they weren't going to let anybody ever see them again once they were put in the slot. It sounds like that idea may have gone poof, but the blatant attempts to disenfranchise Ron Paul through this entire process have been beyond ludicrous. Maybe we'll finally catch somebody at it, and we can stop this kind of crap before it effects 2008 further.
Hello? Ron Paul is at 1% in the national polls and he is a kook. Go away.
Mr. Hortingander,
Maybe Barak Obama won...and nobody wants to admit it!
Actually, some Ron Paul supporter was so concerned about fraud that he actually went to an Iowa Court seeking an injunction to stop the Iowa GOP from using these particular machines. The judge however, refused to issue the order because this was not a "real election" but a purely private event, or something like that. I heard it on the local news in Des Moines.
What special-interest politicians allowed a system of voting where we can see no proof of a democratic vote other than a printout of the percentages. Surely this isn't happening!
You guys are taking this straw poll thing too seriously. I expect an honest result and regardless of what that result is, we're still talking about a straw poll. I used to really respect Ron Paul, but all his wacko "I told you so" supporters are really annoying. They almost make me embarrassed to admit I like what Ron Paul represents. That being said, this nation has drifted too far from the principles that Ron Paul espouses and he would be completely ineffectual as a leader. I believe that Romney possesses the right skill set to lead in the troubled circumstances we face as a nation. If this "sub-prime" crisis leads to a larger economic down-turn, who would be most suited to get to the heart of the problem and lead to fixing the economy? My money's on the guy who averaged 113% ROI (return on investment) for 15 years in business. The same guy who turned a large company, a large state, and the 2002 Olympics into successful enterprises.
Bob, you aren't a serious politico. There are no national elections. None. There are only 50 State elections on National Election Day. What matters is how you are running in individual States, not nationwide.
Ron Paul is trying to steal votes!! It's all part of the Zionist campaign for world domination... What, by electing the only non pro-Zionist candidate in the race?
Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, and Gary Bauer should get together and go bowling and drink Schlitz afterwards and compare notes on how it feels to be irrelevant.
Wow this doesn't sound good for Romney.The Ron Paul trolls broke the machines!!
Ron Paul supporters predicted this and they even sued to prevent it, but lost. Now we see that something smells fishy in Ames, and votes have to be recounted. The GOP is on the verge of being the laughingstock of the political community. Do the right thing and show the real results.
Ron Paul is a darling of the truthers...it's no wonder this, and other threads, are filled with the conspiracy goop. The best thing that could happen is that Paul DOES win...and then the media will focus on him, and his isolationist/jewish/truther problems. GO RON PAUL!
This is crap...what, did Ron Paul get 4500 votes and it has to be fixed?
I am trying to believe.
Is it true that Mitt Romney is gay? He sure looks gay.
Republicans here in Iowa have been laughing at the RPI for a while now.
Nor are you a serious politico. Ron Paul will never be President. Face it. Paul's supporters are a very loud and very small minority. Too bad. The 44th Prez will be either Hillary, Rudy, or Fred.
SC Conservative, how about a guy that understands monetary policy and the Federal Reserve? Monetary inflation has to stop. Ron Paul is the only candidate that has even the most basic understanding of macroeconomics. "Fixing" the economy means removing bad, destructive monetary policy.
I never stated I thought Ron Paul would definitely be President, Bob. You sound like a Democrat, to me, creating straw-men arguments and bashing conservative candidates for the hell of it.
If by "skill set" you mean lying, pandering, flip-flopping, war-dodging, daddy's money using, and Massachuseets Republican Party ruining, then yes, Romney should by all means be your guy. Honestly, he's a vile, vile person. Get on board with McCain, or even Gingrich. Say what you want about either of them, but I think they actually believe most of what they say...
Yeah many RP supporters said it was going to happen....guess what It did!!!
SC Conservative - Hmmmm, what candidate speaks of this. Only one. He even calls it an inflation TAX because it steals money out of your pocket, but no other candidate even acknowledges this.
Bob, you have no evidence. Look at Paul's attendance during his Pittsburgh and Des Moines rallies: around 300 to a thousand people at all his past events. Rudy would KILL for those numbers. And the McCain employee that blocked him from the one Iowa debate? Ron Paul had a forum the same day as that event and it drew more supporters than all the other candidates combined. These polls are poor tests.
Ron Paul, a conservative? Are you kidding? No, I'm not a 'crat. No harm meant. Just bashing my favorite nutcase a little. Have at it kids.
Yep, Romney is one more draft dodging pro war politician.
Bob, Following on your comment and crow's, 113% ROI smells fishy in itself. That so rarely comes about through honest enterpreneurship...but commonly through insider dealing, scams, and political graft. I don't trust Romney's phoney smirk for one minute. paul
Romney didn't ruin the MA Republican Party. The MA Republican Party has always been just the governor's office, which was occupied by Republicans from 1988 until Mitt left in January 2007. But the number of state legislators has been declining for decades. Mitt didn't save the MA Republican Party, it's true - but he didn't ruin it either. It's as weak now as it's been for a long time. The fact that he could win in the environment in which he ran is very impressive.
They might be just goading some of my fellow Paul supporters. Frankly who puts up with more crap than a Paul supporter? They don't cover our guy like a serious candidate, he rules the internet, yet Obama Girl gets more coverage. They try to say that Ron thinks 9/11 was an inside job when he never even alluded to that. That by itself is rumor journalism, no sources, no facts, just trying to pigeonhole the man and his vocal supporters are sick of being treated like they don't exist. If Ron was properly covered by the MSM we wouldn't have this but it seems like every step of the way, especially after we embarrassed FOX"NEWS", they have been after us like crazy. CNN put the NEOCON Soldier up against Ron and he answers the question definitively and respectfully. What do we have to do to have our existence acknowledged?
Crow, I've read all of what Ron Paul has said and written about the devaluing of the American currency, the Federal Reserve, and the economic crisis we are facing. I even agree that this will likely be the cause of some huge economic crisis in the futuer--likely soon. But Ron Paul won't be able to convince Washington or the rest of the country to change and fix the problem. He's basically the "I Told You So" candidate. But being right doesn't mean you can lead a country that has drifted from being right.
I've decided that the Ron Paul supporters have nothing better to do than spend their days mindlessly voting in online polls and posting inane comments on any political blog they can get to. Can anyone show me an intelligent comment by any Paul supporter?
Can anyone show me an intelligent comment by Romney?
Ron Paul's mothership caused the malfunction!
Please explain how Paul is not a conservative. Do you know his voting record?
>>Can anyone show me an intelligent comment by any Paul supporter? Cogito, ergo sum RP supporter.
IF there really were rigging of the count - and certainly we do not have any evidence either for it or against it now - would there be a crime? And please note, I am just speculating about a hypothetical... I would think that yes, even though this is not an actually election, there would be a crime of fraud. Thousands of people participated and spent large sums of money to take part in what is presented as a fair and accurate count of votes. Election or no election, rigging the count would be a crime of fraud.
Weld, Celluci and even Swift were succeeded by Republican governors...only Romney managed to fritter away the one thing Republicans in that state had to hang onto...He took a party that was barely hanging on, and because he wanted to be President and was never there, let it slip away...Now they have Deval Patrick? I was being kind when he said he ruined the party. Since his campaign is basically anti-Massachusetts, he'll destroy any lingering goodwill to the party there was left. He basically destroyed the R's in Mass. There won't be another R governor in Mass. for 30 years, much less any other state officeholder. But go ahead and vote for him...He looks pretty, so I'm sure you rubes think that counts for something...don't say I didn't warn ya...
No, David, it is just that there are a lot of supporters of Ron Paul and they are actually devoted.
Fred Thompson won and he wasn't even there...that's my prediction.
Tell you all what. Remember me in the future. Ron Paul won't ever break double digits in the major polls and he'll pull out and never be President. That's my last word. And Ron Paul is an anti-American kook, saying 9/11 was an inside job.
Who ya gonna call
Anyone who is claiming that Ron Paul is not a conservative is an ignorant fool. Either that or they a democrat operative, or a neocon try to keep their power in the republican party.
Ron Paul better end up winning in the end or Romney will become famous for engaging in vote fraud at a straw poll.
Is there a source with more information? I'm a software engineer and am very fmailiar with the software the Diebold machines use. The vote tabulation is done in a matter of seconds and, even if the software locks up, a re-tabulation should only take as long as it takes to reboot the machine. If it was a hardware failure then there would be another set of concerns altogether. If you have more detail, please provide it as the explanation given here can not possibly be accurate.
Hey Bob, please explain why you think Ron Paul is a kook. Is the Constitution kooky? If so, why do Presidents get on international TV, put their hand on a Bible and swear to protect and uphold that kooky document? Please explain your empty comment.
Liberty!
This just in. Inside sources have confirmed that the vote will be delayed due to an unexpected event. Raffle Wiggum, a local Iowa resident, dropped a candy bar into the optical ballot scanner. When questioned about the incited, Raffle replied, "I'm special!".
One more comment: I'm not a Romney supporter. And I will admit that Ron Paul would be bettter than Hillary Clinton. Barely, but better.
The liberal Mass. bureaucracy is screwing up the healthcare program up there. they are losing applications. More like they are throwing them away to get off early and go to get drunk.
To Bob and anyone who thinks he said that 9/11 was an inside job: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDa59TBR_38 Watch this interview, he is asked point blank if he belives 9/11 was an inside job. His answer was NO! See for yourselves.
Alex, It was 58 Billion, not 35 Billion and yes, this is a major problem--even a crisis. But sitting around and saying "I told you so" isn't going to fix it, and one man in the White House isn't going to fix it. Ron Paul may be a revolutionary, but he's no George Washington. He lacks the leadership skills to influence change. If you want to fix this kind of a problem, it must start behind the scenes by competent people. There's not enough of those in Washington to make a dent in it. For what a president does, and can do, Romney is the best man for the job right now.
RE: Bob and his "inside job" comment... Why would you post lies? Is it because you can do so anonymously and therefore detach yourself from the shame? Is the candidiate you support really that bad?!?!
I wasn't going to comment on Bob's inane lies, but his most recent assertion that Ron Paul "believes 9/11 was an inside job" is just too much to let slide. This is proof positive that Bob doesn't know a damned thing about Ron Paul. The fact is that in a recent interview, Paul was asked point blank whether he believes that our government was complicit in any way in the events of 9/11. His answer: "Absolutely not." Simpleminded people like Bob may be confused by Paul's explanation of the CAUSES of 9/11, which interestingly enough match up with the explanation offered by none other than the CIA. As a matter of fact, Michael Scheuer, who was head of the CIA's Osama bin Laden task force until Bush quietly disbanded that unit and stopped even looking for OBL, appeared in a press conference with Paul where they presented Rudy Ghouliani with a reading list explaining how our interventionist foreign policy has contributed to the hatred that results in terrorism against us. Simpletons like Bob here may not understand that we've made some mistakes overseas that give militant islamists with their number one recruiting and propaganda tools, but anyone with a real grasp of geopolitics can see right through the Bushbot propaganda. Maybe Bob will wise up one of these days.
Bob- Ron Paul is not anti-American! What a hateful comment. The man has dedicated his life to American principles and fought to make this country the the best that it can be. He brought thousands of Americans into this world. You should be ashamed of yourself. I hope that you do not consider yourself a Republican. I'm ashamed that you can even call yourself an American making comments like that. And Ron Paul never said that 9/11 was an inside job. Please examine your opinions before carelesssly throwing them about as facts.
You have to be kidding me. FOX"NEWS" is airing a show called "Victory or Retreat", I don't know exactly what they are talking about because I naturally have the episode muted, but this smells like more propaganda to me. I better put on something with less propaganda content like "Pastor" Hagee. There you go Atlantic, two stories for you guys to cover, even though the American Conservative beat you to "Pastor" Hagee. You have to tell me what they are saying, for if I put the sound on my IQ will drop and I may not be able to digest my evening reading of Leo Strauss's "City and Man". It is a splendid book I suggest you all read it some time, but I would suggest reading "Persecution and the Art of Writing" beforehand to better digest the subject matter. But anywho, that is rather irrelevant I guess.
Ron Paul served in Vietnam. He's not a chickenhawk like Bush-Cheney.
The President himself can't bring limited government by 'leadership'. Such an idea is counter to federalism. SC Conservative seems to be saying that a liberal like Romney can actually bring the country back to conservatism. Working inside the Beltway only leads to growing government and special interests devouring the taxpayers. We need more Ron Pauls in Congress.
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=3555094491715905699 This is a documentary about electronic voting machines. I thought it was interesting. There have been documented cases where the voting malfunctions resulted in incorrect counting.
Its amazing how every time one of the outsiders draws lots of supporters to a vote, the machines 'break down', and long drawn out recounts happen. Always with the insider candidate ending up winning.
Acroso, Just for the record, Ron Paul did not go to Vietnam. He was, however, a flight surgeon the US Air Force from 1963-1968.
I wouldn't worry much about fools like Bob. They are simple brainwashed trolls. Once Ron Paul gains serious traction and begins to be a threat to the Democrats, you will see people like Bob start to come out and say that Ron Paul is a white supremacist.
"Weld, Celluci and even Swift were succeeded by Republican governors...only Romney managed to fritter away the one thing Republicans in that state had to hang onto." If I were to fault Romney for something, actually, it would be for not getting enough Republican state legislators, not for losing the governorship. Let's be honest, if Romney hadn't jumped in when he did, Swift would not have been succeeded by a Republican governor. We would have had a Democratic governor then, instead of 4 years later. And the only reason Cellucci was "succeeded" by a Republican governor is that he left and Swift filled in the rest of his term. Swift wasn't ever actually elected. Republicans had already held office for more than 10 years, and the disconnect between that and the politics of the state was increasingly apparent. Romney jumped into tough political territory and did MA Republicans a favor - it wasn't enough, but it helped. He tried to get more state legislators elected so he could sustain a veto. It didn't work, and so he stopped trying because the losses made him lose political capital. I wish he had tried harder, but he was still a net gain for the MA Republican Party. The situation the party is in now was basically inevitable, and it will take an outside force to resurrect the state party now.
There's a lot of things RP says i agree with in all seriousness. getting rid of welfare and the anchor baby bullcrap depts of energy and all the other regulation.i don't believe we can go back to the gold standard. the fed caused all the housing crisis by raising interest rates too high. that causes inflation.. walmart is the biggest inflation fighter on the planet.
Well, Bob, Ron Paul has never said that 9/11 was an inside job, so you're either uninformed or deliberately lying. Ron Paul won't win the nomination, but by running an insurgent anti-war primary campaign he helps make sure that none of the repeataBushes will win, either. That's almost as good as winning. I hate Hillary, but I'll honestly take her over any of the collection of pro-torture thugs and Young Earth trailer trash that constitute the set of other available candidates. It's a real disgrace when 8 years of a Republican presidency produces more Democrat policies than 8 years of a Democrat presidency did. To make sure that never happens again, the party has to be chastened by truly ignominious defeat. If Paul can contribute to that process, it's worth supporting him.
FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!
Cheney gives Bush Jr. a thrashing finally. Admits the
NH, You say Romney ruined the Massachusetts GOP. That sounds about as conspiratorial as some of the Ron Paul supporters. The GOP lost in Massachusetts because Romney FIXED the problem he was elected to fix. Once the fiscal crisis was averted, the go old liberals were able to focus on their pet social issues like abortion and gay marriage, and there was no need for a Republican. You wait, they'll spend the surpluss Mitt gave them and come crying back to the Republicans for some more economic salvation.
oh and romney is a flip flopper and a snake in the grass.
I'm starting to believe the tinfoil-hatters now. They said this would happen. Maybe someone rigged the machine in a way that causes impossible results, like negative votes. If a half-assed hacker did something like that, it would cause them to have to recount by hand. I wonder if they would ever admit that it happend though.
They should ditch the caucus and have a contest to see Who can say Saddam, terrorist, and WMD the fastest
If Romney is a conservative, then so is Hillary. And if you like Ron Paul better than Hillary then you better hope he wins the nomination because Paul is the only Republican that stands a chance of beating whomever the Dem nominee is.
Romney's destruction of the Republican Party of Mass. isn't a conspiracy at all...He was elected only so he would have a political base to run for President from...that's a fact, not a conspiracy...then, because he is going to spend his whole campaign badmouthing the state he just came from, he will wipe out the last vestige of good will toward the state Republican party. I don't get what you mean by "conspiracy." I live here, so I think I know what I actually see every day...You live in Cracker Barrel land, so you don't have a grasp on what happens here...Thanks to Romney, NH doesn't even get disgruntled Republicans moving in from Mass. anymore to help us out, because there aren't any left...
The following video exposes some of the flaws of Diebold voting machines and the electronic voting machines in general: Votergate http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=3555094491715905699 The architecture of the programming is poor, the machines are not guarded or sealed adequately to prevent tampering, diebold keeps the programming secret claiming it is intellectual property - it only needs to be a simple calculator there should be no issue with revealing the source code. It is possible to remote access the central tabulator. There have been documented cases where the voting malfunctions resulted in incorrect counting, and thousands of miscounts due to Diebolds machines. Do not trust what people tell you about electronic voting, do some research.
Brett, I agree that we need more Ron Pauls in congress, but I disagree with your assessment of Mitt Romney. Simply because people accuse Romney of being a liberal doesn't make him a liberal. They've been drinking too much of the ultra-right-wing Kool-aide. While he probably leans more towards the status quo than I would like, I don't see anyone more conservative than Romney ever getting elected. He believes in small government, strong family, and a strong, but mostly silent military.
Face it people. Our elections have been rigged for years. They fix the primaries and the generals. Both parties are in on it which is why they dont do anything about it.
All the Ron Paul supporters who think we should build a big fence around the US and withdraw from the world, please raise your hands.
So Ron Paul is at 2 percent in national, scientific polls of likely Republican primary voters, as identified by the pollsters, among people who barely know anything about the candidates and haven't started following the campaign. What do you think he's polling among people who actually know what most of the candidates stand for? There's a reason he does so well online -- people on the Internet have a chance to learn about all the candidates, and think for themselves. As more people tune in to the election, Ron Paul's support is going to get a LOT higher....
How hard is it to count 14,000 votes? I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but this electronic voting needs to go right in the garbage. Paper ballots and nothing else hand counted in public view at all times. Side Note - How many of these votes were paid votes? Mitt bused in what, 10,000 people? And he only pulled 4K from the stats? lol
Bob, oh, so now the elections are all rigged? Who's the conspiracy theorist, here?
David, To all those who think that we should invade and nation build countries that had nothing to do with 9/11 which you so heavily invoke raise your hands. Of course that is why we have no allies and and are more isolated from the world than Al Qaeda is from the Middle East. We should isolate Al Qaeda with proper foreign policy pinpoint accuracy, not isolate ourselves with Wilsonian Democracy Spreading into countries that neither attacked us nor was involved in 9/11. I hate to break it to you, reality is a bitch, but permanent revolution doesn't work, the Bolsheviks gave up when Germany faltered, Che died the second time around, a third world army with defensive tactics cannot achieve a global caliphate, and permanent revolution cannot be achieved through democracy spreading. David, you still got your hand up?
From the Des Moines Register Web site: 1. Mitt Romney 4,516
If Ron Paul doesn't become president, all those that don't support him will get what they deserve. Fools.
We had paper ballots for over 200 years, and one screw up in Florida has allowed one corporation with neocon links to suppy machines for the whole country..California, Flordia and a few other states have decertified these machines, but there still being used which is total BS. I feel sorry for Huckabee, Paul and the other candidates who have work so hard for this poll. America, this your grandpa's apple pie country anymore, wake up!!!
I hate to make it worse for all the neo-cons but me and 10 others in diffrent states are cosidering running for senate on the ron paul platform and yes we will be republicans. I hope we will be welcome!
Pbronstein, My hand is up--way up! After you've read _The Pentagon's New Map_, let me know how you feel about your comments about isolationism. To order it, go here: http://www.amazon.com/Pentagons-New-Map-Twenty-first-Century/dp/0425202399/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-8846450-9697720?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1186882850&sr=8-1
> All the Ron Paul supporters who think we should David - you will find none. Because this is not what he is proposing. His position is called NON-INTERVENTIONISM, not ISOLATIONISM. The difference, basically, is between refraining from going around and beating up people we don't like and hiding in a hole to avoid seeing people we don't like. (The third choice - INTERVENTIONISM - is going around and beating up everyone we don't like - is what neocons are doing now and what lefties do everytime they get power).
Too delicious! Those wacky Ron Paul supporters. They were concerned about the voting machines. Quit calling our office!
Ron Paul, the Paul Revere of the new century.
5th place is great! Paul did as I expected. Not that this poll really mattered anyway.
>>All the Ron Paul supporters who think we should build a big fence around the US and withdraw from the world, please raise your hands. Posted by David | August 11, 2007 9:19 PM I would have my hand up, along with the Founding Fathers of this nation. Now, I want your address because I'm sure you aren't a hypocrite and you leave your door open to allow anyone at any time into your house to rummage around and ransack the place. Come, now, practice what you preach for the rest of us! Surely you don't "withdraw into your home" and I'm sure your house has no walls, right? Idiot.
David, Let me refer to an earlier post, you bring up a single strategy person and I refer in passing to the mentor of the people who created the strategy. I have learn to know thy enemy and I think it is about time you and all you Neocons learn the godfather of your religion. Go ahead study the Subject Matter of Strauss's "Persecution and the Art of Writing", see their teacher in all his glory, and see how it spills out in the writing of Ledeen of the AEI and all the other cronies. You need to establish first cause, your premise is based on some biased bureaucrat who is supplying an opinion for you. You need to ascend out of the cave and descend back in to see the forest from the trees. But all ridicule and inside jokes aside I greatly suggest that you read that book. To hell with the debate, I will agree to read your book if you agree to read mine. http://www.amazon.com/Persecution-Art-Writing-Leo-Strauss/dp/0226777111/ref=sr_1_1/105-5856065-4590042?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1186883546&sr=8-1 Deal?
"Simply because people accuse Romney of being a liberal doesn't make him a liberal. They've been drinking too much of the ultra-right-wing Kool-aide." I'm sorry SC, but as much as I'd like to believe that Romney is a nice gentle conservative, he isn't. Read that article that I posted and tell me what you think. Thanks for the reply.
Pbronstein: Wow, some heavy stuff there. Not sure how you came to your conclusions about me. The book I referred to offers some interesting takes on the world and what it will take to help modernize the most backward countries. Beating them up is one of the last options. Helping them connect to the rest of the world and improve their economy is one of the first.
David, I don't know the specific subject matter of the book, that is why I offered to read it, I was merely commenting on the background of the author. So do we have a deal?
OK, I know that the Ron Paul bunch of supporters look like a bunch of wackos - OK, they are wackos. But isn't it interesting in the least that he is the only candidate that has an overwhelming majority of his support from grassroots efforts? Is it not significant that he's not another rich dude running for president? And that he has the support he has while getting no corporate or political interest money and while the elite controlled media ignores his campaign? Does it not teach us anything that while the other candidates are out there actively buying votes, votes are being freely given to Ron Paul? Use some logic here people... wake up and look at what has happened to your country. Anyone who is not rich and powerful has no good reason to support anyone but Paul, and the last time I checked only about 2% of the population might fall into this catagory.
THIS IS A TOTAL FRAUD. 4500 votes had to be recounted out of 14,000. I see for every vote RON PAUL GETS THE Diebold computers recounted them for Romney. Romney is a total hack and global elite.
i am trying to believe
"About 4,500 [of Mitt Romney's] ballots had to be re-run. We are waiting..." FIXED
There's definitely something fishy here.
Considering he spent literally little money or time in Iowa..Ron Paul's performance was quite good...His supporters have certainly more enthusiasm for him..than the supporters of the Establishment Candidates..
Ron Paul did win in my book!!!!!
This is almost laughable for its predictability. Last Friday you have California Sec. of State Bowen decertifying 3 major vendors' voting machines including Diebold Opscans (used in this Straw Poll) because of hackability found by a U.of Cal study; on 7/31 Florida news reports of U. of Florida study saying Diebold Opscans are "still flawed" despite efforts to fix them. My money says Ron Paul won by a landslide, and the "malfunction" was the time needed to make sure the "fix was in". When will America wake up? We must go to hand-counted paper ballots, with videocameras on the ballot box, with citizens running the election and counting the votes, and totals posted at the precinct level. NO MORE SECRET VOTE COUNTING BY CORPORATE OWNED, FRAUDULENT ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES RUN WITH TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE! THIS IS AMERICA, NOT RUSSIA!
Original Bob here, not the one that mentioned rigged elections. Okay, the Ron Paul supporters on here are full of name-calling and hate. Fair enough, I brought it on myself. I will correct myself by saying that Ron Paul DID say we brought 9/11 on ourselves. That statement was way out of line of him. He ought to be ashamed. I'm not a simpleton or a "troll." I am a well-informed political observer. Sue me for having opinions of my own and not drinking your Kool-Aid and believing that Ron Paul is in league with the Founders, because, folks, he's not. By the way, "arosco," Ron did not "serve" in Vietnam. He was a flight surgeon and never saw combat. You'll just have to understand that Ron Paul just doesn't appeal to me because of some of the things he says. I applaud him for being pro-Life. Good for him. I applaud him for a number of other things, like standing up for our national sovereignty, etc. But most of the reason why I cannot support him, besides his comment about 9/11, is the suspicious mentality of his supporters. This may offend some of you, but you really come across as assholes. You all are far worse and more annoying than Ron Paul himself, and your juvenile comments and so-called "grassroots" internet spam campaign has not done much to win many of us over. What will vindicate me is that Ron Paul will not win more than 5% in any state's primary. And 5% would be generous. No, it does not make someone a "fool" for not supporting Ron Paul. It might mean that they have a mind of their own, though, and that they refuse to support a man who is yes, unpatriotic enough to blame 9/11 on the United States of America. Ron Paul is a fringe candidate and the days of his candidacy are numbered. That's the truth. You probably don't want to hear that. Believve me, I know the frustration of it all, because I used to support Buchanan. Did Romney buy this victory? probably. Is he a flipflopper and a closet liberal? Yep. Would I rather see Ron Paul win than Romney? I would if he hadn't said that America brought 9/11 on herself. Nice try, folks, but your blogging efforts have failed to win me over. Find yourselves better spokespeople and come up with better arguments than "Liberty!" and "Who ya gonna call, Ron Paul!" and "People who don't vote for Ron Paul are fools. Doesn't reflect well on your movement or your candidate. Go read a book.
i have read all this B S on this feed, i was there and voted! the straw poll is just part of the game, that they like to play just f...up your minds, and make you wine like abunch a babies, that caan have there way. boo hoo boo hoo... the real winner was FAIRTAX.org, they had the biggest turn out, everybody came threw there tent, i would say that 80% there support fairtax, not Romney or is rummy??? fairtax hit a home run today, the word is out, no more IRS, out of our lives... they had the best party going on, free vote tickets, the best iowa pork sandwich with f.f., some kicking country rock music, and evertthing free free. i went to romney`s tent (truf) he was severing up famous dave`s bbq pork sandwichs to get one you had to agreed to vote for romney, and they made you sign for it. i ate at the fairtax tent. in the end the winner will be the one who carries the fairtax ball all the way to the real poll... Go FAIRTAX... one love denny PEACE
Don't let the kibittzers steer you off track. The subject matter of this thread should still be recalled. It has something to do with counting the votes in the Iowa Straw Man poll. There are always a few spys and operatives on any forum or thread of any size whose purpose is to defuse the enthusiasm and deflect the concentration of those supporting any non-government solution to problems, or an anti-establishment candidate. They succeed to the extent you entertain them. Do not fall for this dirty trick.
go RON PAUL !!!!
It's really not that important that Ron Paul win the election. What's more important is that the supporters voice their opinions on the current fascist regime. I know there will always be ignorance in regards to politics: those who think 'war' was justified, those who think GW is 'honorable,' and those who think that we need to stay in Iraq.
You think Paul supporters are crazy? How about someone who believes the war in Iraq is justifiable in any terms? Now THAT'S crazy to me. darn I agree .......how about an economy down the drain so fast that you can hear the grugle or children dying in the streets because of no health care for them ...Iraq/Af Vets living on the streets. Drugs overtaking the Avg American suppled from the bushcartel drug chest, violence killing young people in school yards... the list goes on an on an on..Oh and the bush cartel painting the face of an enemy on Arabs and people in South America ,Mexico. Ron Paul is a sane republican voice in the chatter of fear mongering!Fear Mongering is an old Fascist ploy btw! welcome to America the Facist of States
I am a programmer who has written for optical scanners. What number do you want? No problem. As for the re-scanned vote cards - did someone manually delete the results of the first scan? See how easy it is to re-count to get the results you want? Paper ballots and hand counting at the precinct level is the only way to assure a clean vote - with random audits and jail time for violators of course.
In reading some of the comments on this board, it's no wonder that Dr. Paul is facing a severely uphill battle. The reason: There are simply way too many knuckleheads in America who do not grasp the complete and utter disregard our government has for it's people. The American Government DOES NOT CARE about its citizens, plain and simple. When it comes to politics and politicians, they all tell the people exactly what they want to hear, and apparently, millions of idiots buy into their rhetoric. I cannot, for the life of me, understand how any informed American could look at this batch of Presidential candidates, and not see Ron Paul as the best of the bunch, BY FAR! To those of you that still cling to the weak-ass notion that you cant support Dr. Paul because he spoke the truth and told America how its foreign policy incites radicals around the globe. And that years and years of illegal bombing can actually come back and bite you in the ass, in the form of BLOWBACK (Read a Book, Bob you chucklehead) If you do not think that the United States' actions in the Middle East were directly responsible for what transpired on 9/11, then there is no hope for you. How fucking blind can you be? Blind, ignorant, or maybe just dumb. This country is heading for DISASTER, and if you didn't know that, then you're in for quite a surprise. Our booming economy is nothing but an illusion, built up on Hundreds of Billions of dollars worth of credit. Americans are over 2 trillion dollars in debt. We borrow Billions a day from China just to run this goddamn war. Our foreign policy begs people around the globe to hate us. We meddle in everybody's business and tell them how to do things. We steal their natural resources. But ignorant morons still think they hate us because WE'RE FREE, what a crock of shit. You dolts can go on supporting your Ghouliani, or Thompson, or Clinton, and you will get what you deserve. A police state in shambles. Enjoy!
Reading the hateful words of "Enlightened One," I finally rest my case. He made it for me.
Tell me where I'm wrong Bobby, and then you might have a case.
Ron Paul won, but the election fraud continues...
Wake up and smell the tyranny. Ron Paul is ahead in the polls that are not broadcast by the lying big news media corps.
Bob made a valid point about Ron Paul supporters that I have tried to point out many times. The matter that most RP supporters push and push him will annoy most people into avoiding him. That is not what the RP campaign needs. Just like the communication received by his supporters to quit contacting the Iowa GOP, it was stated there that "we" are doing more harm than good. Check your attitudes at the door and do the leg work to get him elected. That is our responsibility. Let's not annoy the world though. To respond to another comment made by David. Referring to intelligent comments. I don't see many of them. I see a lot of rants and raves. Hopefully this is a little more intelligent.
I think Romney owes a Hail Mary for this one...Mary Mosiman that is...
These are questions for the board. 1.)Do you want an American Empire? Yes/No 2.)Do believe a âcorporationâ has god given rights? Yes/No 3.)Do you believe that a "corporation" is a creation of investors? Yes/No 4.)Do you believe the old adage â What is good for GM is good for Americaâ is still true? Yes/No 5.)Do you believe the Government gives us our rights and can take them away if needed or desired? Yes/No 6.)Do you believe it is unfair that the top 5% of "income" earners pay 60% of all the Federal âincomeâ taxes? Yes/No 7.)Do you understand the terms "Debt Based Economics" and "Fractional Reserve Lending" Yes/No 8.)Do you believe NAFTA benefited America? Yes/No 9)Do you believe the concept that âleveling the playing fieldâ is good for American Citizens? Yes/No 10)Do you believe China is our friend and a good place to invest? Yes/No If you answered yes to any of the above you slept through history and civics, you are not paying attention. I hate to disappoint some here but Ron Paul is NOT for Open Borders or âFree Tradeâ he is for the Constitutional way to promote American Independence not the globalist idea of Nations Interdependence. Ron Paul is for "Fair Trade" and tight borders.
Bob, your a lone wolf in this forest of truth. I'm sure your invested in the fascist regime some how.
America KNOWS the voting is fixed.
Ron Paul predicted that the results of the Iowa Straw Poll would end up stained by fraud and that's what happened. Ron Paul is the only one on either side that will govern according to the mandates of the Constitution. When the big, controlled media try to defame Romney is part of the "country club" republican set that has been tarnished by corruption, the private banks (Federal Reserve) that regulate our money supply and national and foreign war-mongering interests. It is insane to keep supporting the same old Republican establishment that has bankrupted the country economically and morally. Ron Paul is a fresh voice of sanity and reality that this country so desperately needs.
Ron Paul will be the next President of the United States.
If Ron Paul is to be president, the country & the most of all Americans will greatly benefit from the burden of government & it's subsidies to morally corrupt int'l corporations. True, FREE trade would then unleash the REAL might of the USA, generating REAL wealth flooding the market with majority upper-middle population. We, the US, are a very young, diverse country still struggling to live up to the standards of the Constitution, the founders established. Supporting RP is my way putting a little dent to the giant that's be been robbing us blind for generations. Yo! Fellow Americans! It's always about freedom...and that message alone should bring majority of Americans together, right? Whatever, peace.
"Did Romney buy this victory? probably. Is he a flipflopper and a closet liberal? Yep. Would I rather see Ron Paul win than Romney? I would if he hadn't said that America brought 9/11 on herself." I don't understand the logic here. Ron Paul voted for the border fence. That's not just a statement of opinion, like his alleged statement above... it's a congressional vote backed by the force of government. I believe in free travel over borders. I find the idea of a border fence terrible. Yet that one vote isn't going to stop me from voting for Ron Paul, because I agree with the vast majority of his positions. I vote based on principle, that less government is better, and Ron Paul will bring (overall) far less government than any other candidate. So I just don't see how him stating an opinion on 9/11 would suddenly have you change your mind... especially considering he never actually said "we brought it on ourselves", but rather that our GOVERNMENT'S foreign policy of policing the world and 50+ years of Middle East involvement causes resentment that results in blowback. As the CIA itself stated. What principle(s) do you use to decide who to vote for? Or at least, what are your key issues?
Great thing about unscientific straw polls, committing voter fraud is well....legal. Nothing ya can do about it you little monkeys. Mitt wins!
Free travel over borders? Nothing to discuss there. In today's day and age? That's just wrong. Only a Ron Paul supporter would say something that stupid.
Just judging by "depth" and "clarity" of statements made here by opponents of Ron Paul, I think it's safe to again assert (with renewed confidence) that Ron Paul *supporters* are generally more politically informed, socially conscious, and critically thinking people than most.
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FRAUD!
Posted by Another Alex, Hereafter Alex2 | August 11, 2007 8:28 PM