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Giuliani Claims An Evolution On Gun Rights

21 Sep 2007 11:46 am

Glossing over the less appealing line items on his gun control resume, ex-NYC mayor Rudy Giuliani presented himself as sympathetic to the aims of the National Rifle Association and pledged, as president, to protect gun rights.

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety," he said.

He indicated that he would oppose new efforts to tighten national gun laws.

"I believe that law endforcement should focus on enforcing the laws that exist on the books as opposed to passing new extensions of laws," he said. "A person's home is their castle. They have the right to protect themselves in their own home."

Giulaini explained the lawsuit he initiated in 2000 against gun manufacturers by saying that he was "excessive in everyway that I could think of in order to reduce crime" but said that "intervening events" like September 11th had caused his views to evolve. "I think that lawsuit has gone in the direction that I don't agree with."

He cited a DC court ruling overturning the city's gun ban as instrumental to changing and "strengthening" his views on gun control. That ruling, Parker vs. the Distict of Columbia, was handed down just as Giuliani was beginning his presidential bid.

Giuliani said that MoveOn.org's ad criticizing Gen. Petreaus was out of bounds and hinted that the group should face some sort of sanction.

"They passed a line that we should not allow an American political organization to pass," he said. "We are at war right now, whether some people want to recognize it or not."

A humanizing moment: Giuliani's wife, Judith, called his cell phone, and the two proceeded to have a lovey-dovey chat. "Good bye, sweetheart, I love you," he said.

Comments (693)

Dear Mr. Mayor,
Thank you for coming to your senses. Guns in the hands of criminals causes crime, not guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. Any and all gun laws are aimed at the law-abiding citizen because no criminal (by their very nature) follows any law but their own.

You need to now speak up about the values of gun ownership and how every state, EVERY STATE, that has enacted open legal gun ownership has it's crime reduced, substantially!

Thank you Mr. Mayor.

"I believe that law en_forcement should focus on enforcing the laws that exist on the books as opposed to passing new extensions of laws,"

Enforcing laws, huh? Then I'm sure this means he'll toughen his shamefully lax stance on illegal immigration and start enforcing some laws.

RIGHT?

What a hypocrite! This coming from the former mayor of a city where gun ownership is illegal.

Rudy, When you told the Saudi's to stick it after 9-11, you became THE MAN!

I sure hope Giuliani doesn't get elected, he'll be Bush 2.0 and is likely to further deteriorate our country.

Another politician getting religion regarding personal freedoms. He lies...vote for Thompson or the leftists who at least lie about their positions on everything else but guns.

I agree but it is somewhat of a flip flop. I hope he means it because if the NRA supports him he has a chance to win. He better own up to what he says.

I sure hope Giuliani doesn't get elected, he'll be Bush 2.0 and is likely to further deteriorate our country.

Too little too late. We don't trust you Mayor. You seem to view the US Constitution as an obstacle to overcome instead of a guide.

Your statement "They have the right to protect themselves in their own home." is utter BS. I have the right to protect myself ANYWHERE I roam. My rights do not end at my doorstep.

"A person's home is their castle. They have the right to protect themselves in their own home." . . . unless, of course, you live in New York

Rudy -

Sorry, we don't believe you. You are another Bush in sheeps clothing.

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety"

It is based on the 2nd amendment, sir. Get a clue as to what "shall not be infringed means". The current gun laws that are on the books are unconstitutional. The courts screwed up!

Wow! Republican candidates really are betting The Base is immeasurably stupid with real short memories. This pandering flock of bastards really debase our politics in the best tradition of George Bush. More of the same.....

Our right to bear arms is NOT based upon a reasonable degree of safety, but on the Second Ammendment to the Constitution of the United States, Mr Mayor.

I like the doublespeak going on there.

Wow Giuliani...what a shill you have become.

In other words Rudy, you're flip-flopping to avoid the ire of the NRA. I'm guessing your abortion stance will be the next to "evolve".

Here's a novel thought, try standing up for your principles instead of pandering to the gun lobby.

As I read these remarks a person in the United States of America is guilty until they can prove their innocence. Then they may exercise their right to bear arms.

I smell an election around the corner! Hummmmm...Don't fall for it folks!

Fred Thompson in 2008!

How does one distinguish between sincere "evolution" of thinking and politically expedient flip-flopping?

Another politician trying to look more Centrist in a bid for the presidency. Next he will start catering to the Religious Right by carrying a big ol stage Bible. Anybody have enough yet?

I believe the man has said he changed his mind about gun control post 911. I think to compare him with Bush and say that is a negative thing is childish. President Bush has kept you safe from tyranny by blood thirsty fanatics since 911. Grow up!

Now thats special. Rudy has become a pro gunner.
I shall file that with " I never had sex with that women Monica Lewinsky". Rudy needs to take some more acting lessons from Slick Willy. The Watkins household supports Ron Paul!

In regards to the NYT ad about Gen. Petreaus. While in the opinion of many it was in poor taste, the 1st amendment was designed to protect controversial speech, not just un-controversial speech.

Interestingly, the accusation of being "unpatriotic" and "cowardly" up until recently had been reserved only for those who dissented against the War, the Patriot Act, etc. Most of these accusations came from the Neocon diehards. Maybe they should have listened.

Nothing scares me more than government officials calling for sanctions on the expression of opinion. I am sure that the Nazis also mentioned a line that can be crossed and a line that can't. Suppresion of views counter to the majority is a slippery slope that must be avoided at all costs.

Ron Paul is NO LEADER!

Damn right, you dolt! You have nothing at all to say about our right to own firearms. No prsident has that right!

Good idea Rudy,

I'm ex-military, owner of both long guns and handguns and I have and use a concealed carry license, yes you could say I'm pro-gun.

But I'm also pro-gun control. The procedure for obtaining the concealed carry license is not much short of a joke. After the background check comes back all you have is a "practical" round of shoot to qualify and a written test for which you've been given the answers.

I don't want my ability to carry removed, but I don't want anyone with a minimum of a day and a half "training" out there with a weapon, and from some of the comments in the classroom, wanting to shoot to kill.

Yes we should have the right to keep and bear arms, but lets get some perspective on how to qualify for this incredibly responsible right. Once you've passed a more rigorous test, let those who've passed alone to protect themselves and those around them.

Sorry, but I'm not buying it. I'm sick of politicians (both Left and Right) whose views "evolve" shortly before they're due to address an audience of higher level primates.

As for our "Democracy," it has apparently devolved to the point that no person with real integrity can be a candidate. Being a member of our current government requires that you mutate into a twisted, bent, deformed shell of your former self. The system is designed to eradicate integrity. Integrity and politics have become mutually exclusive. Considering Congress' approval rating (less than 1/3 that of Bush), most of the American people agree.

I will keep my firearms not because a politician says that I can, but because it is my inalienable right. It is also the right of the people to abolish the government using said firearms when the politicians have become sufficiently estranged from any semblance of integrity, serving their own interests rather than those of the people.

It is pretty simple, really. If you can't trust me with my firearms, then I can't trust you with my vote. And if you didn't trust me with my firearms yesterday, but suddenly do today, what assurance can I have that you won't change your mind again tomorrow?

The government is supposed to be for the people, of the people, and by the people. The people are agitated.

John,
Moveon.org went way beyond! To insult a man who has been putting his life on the line for YOUR freedom.....to be wounded for YOU.....is way over the top. He is a honorable man and went before congress with facts, and the democrats running for president and there backers moveon.org.........can't handle the truth. They can print whatever they wish but that does not make it RIGHT or Proper! It was and is a disgrace! They are too ignorant to apologize and you are as well.

I don't believe you Rudy, sorry.

I put my trust in Ron Paul - a real defender of the 2nd amendment.

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety,"

is not true

Amendment II reads in part
".....the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"

Period

Safety is a reasonable assumption but not a basic tenet of the Amendment

I'm thrilled Rudy is seeing the importance of legal gun ownership in this country!

He's the only candidate that can come close to stopping the corrupt Clintons.

Rudy will get attacked by all sides because the media KNOWS he's the one and only Republican that can beat Hilary. If you don't believe me just watch the liberal media, see if I'm right.

Remember when guns are outlawed, only politicians and criminals will have guns.

I love how he calls this Moveon.org and American Political Organization as if it is a Political Party. Everything that made this guy a good or some say great Mayor he has abandoned to make the 26% (that still support bush) happy. Keep selling out your integrity, Rudy

You know how you can tell a Democrat is posting? They keep calling Rudy "Bush 2.0" or "More of Bush". What a crock. You guys wouldn't vote for any Republican regardless of who it is.

The Right to Arm Bears is a God given one. The Right to Bear Arms is a Constitutional one.

When I can get a CCW permit in NYC or Chicago Rudy let me know. Apparently we arent granted a reasonable sense of security in those locations. So the only ones packing heat are criminals and they and I both know that.

Nope.

I'm not buying it.

I've been a student of politicians and gun rights for too long to be fooled.

As a liberty oriented Republican, my assessment is that Rudy is exactly the sort of dark, creepy authoritarian that we need a lot less of.

I find it interesting that he thinks Moveon.org should be punished for simply using their right to free speech.

He forgot to add, "...except when – and where – I’m in charge."

Gun ownership is a threat to national security. We should take them all away under the patriot act and anyone who does not follow should be sent to Guantanamo w/o representation. You can't carry water on an airplane, but you can carry a gun. That's sensible. Good times.

Based on this story it sounds like Rudy said exactly nothing. So he thinks my home is my castle. Thanks for the update, Rudy. So 911 made him rethink gun control? How so? Limit citizen gun rights based on non-citizen and terrorist acts?

Never trust a person wants to make it illegal or difficult for you to defend yourself properly.

Moveon.org is a shamefully anti-American group, it's true. Anyone with any grey matter and common sense can see that. So, how long will Rudy milk the ooportunity to bad mouth them or Ron Paul?

Given a choice of those 2 I would take Paul. (I don't care that he doesn't have the money to win
Ron Paul is a better man that has our citizens as his #1 priority. Check out his platform before you slam him.)

Hey Rudy, why not talk about doing the right things - reducing government, lowering taxes, securing borders, making illegal immigration illegal again, stopping the SPP / North American Union, create more incentives to create American business and reduce outsourcing, stop the weakening of the dollar, reduce the terrorist threat, and find a solution to the real or perceived energy pinch concerning oil.

The democrats are shameful socialists and the GOP is liberal...are there any real conservatives out there that won't get crucified?

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is a definition of insanity. I am voting for a person of integrity after spending 20 years in the vipers nest of Washington Dr. Paul still holds the same beliefs.

The Constitution even after the activist Presidency and Courts have trampled on our rights
Dr. Paul still only votes Constitutionally. Cheers,

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety," he said.

What a maroon! The right to bear arms is a natural right that pre-dates the Declaration of Independence, let ALONE the Constitution, whether he recognizes it or not, and if he were anything other than what he is (globalist/socialist), he'd admit that the Constitution places a STRICT limitation on the government to interfere with that right.

This candidate is dangerous to the Bill of Rights, so vote for him at your own peril. Out of his mouth, not mine.

The truly sad thing is, millions of "conservatives" see him as "reasonable".

I don't know yet who I'll vote for, but it won't be Hillary, Barack, or Edwards. I am looking for
whoever will enforce and strengthen our immigration laws.

The 2nd Amendment was not written for so-called "self defense". It was written to keep tyrannical government and rogue leaders at bay by means of force.

His words clearly show that he does not agree.

I haven't seen any kittys change their stripes. Don't believe it.

Come on Rudy! I'm tired of hearing views about issues that are ranked 50th on the priority list. The first candidate that can reform/address immigration and our depleting Social Security problems I'll listen. These are quality of life issues for myself and for my children. Gun rights, which i strongly agree with is so far from what the American public should be focusing on during these times.

"Giulaini explained the lawsuit he initiated in 2000 against gun manufacturers by saying that he was "excessive in everyway that I could think of in order to reduce crime" but said that "intervening events" like September 11th had caused his views to evolve."

Yes, if only the workers at the World Trade Center had guns...

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety," he said."

WRONG!

The right to bear arms is based on the PRE-EXISTING right to self defense which is RECOGNIZED (not granted) by the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

We don't base our rights on the constitution. Our rights existed before the constitution and will continue to exist even if the constitution or its interpretation is changed.

Heeeellloooooo! Ron Paul doesn't have a chance in hell!

Why is it that Ron Paul supporters are such advocates for individual rights and no government interference, yet knowing he hasn't got a prayer in getting elected would only help Hillary?

Bullshit. He just wants to be elected. The PTB that anointed him told him to BS the NRA so the people being instructed by the same handlers get clearance to endorse him.

Did he do anything for the defense rights of New Yorkers when he was mayor? No.

Of course now the Repub koolaid drinkers and NRA will become sycophants for the anointed one.

Ron Paul is a better choice for gun rights.

RUDY WILL SAY ANYTHING to get elected.
"intervening events" like September 11th had caused his views to evolve. Is he serious? He is trying to peg everything to 9/11. Don't be fooled my fellow republicans. He is a threat to conservative values and should not be taken seriously. This guy faker than a North Korean Hundred Dollar bill.

Aren't we sick of leaders who are too afraid of failure to say what they truly believe? I mean, I hate bush just as much as the next guy, but at least he gives me the chance to hate him without trying to agree with me just enough so that I don't.

He tried to alienate my unalienable rights. Now that he is in a popularity contest he tries to change his spots. Hilroy has done the same thing.

You don't win on what you say in a commercial, you win based on your record.

like every other anti-gunner out there, your views on the second amendment would be completely unacceptable when applied to the first. unfortunately, as was so perfectly demonstrated by "Unclear", people are perfectly willing to accept candidates who promise more then they punish.

here is my idea: let's find a candidate who can do their job *without* trampling all over the rights of we the people. let's stop voting for people who want to wire-tap and gun-grab as part of their plan to "keep people safe"...

If I could re-write the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, this is precisely what I would love to see:

"We, the people of the United States, in order that we shall have the right to preserve a State free for all races, shall achieve this end by the use of less-lethal weaponry only for our continued survival as human beings. This free State entails our personal self-defense as well as our right to our food consumption. In keeping with current government law, if we so choose to possess a less-lethal weapon (be it either upon our persons or within our private homes), we are obligated to store these aforementioned weapons plus any ammo relating to its use in a manner which will serve to protect the welfare of a minor child.

Doktor Jeep,

But Ron Paul is unelectable!! I'm not trying to be mean, it's just a proven fact.

At some point I would hope you Paul supporters will come out from behind your computers (because I've noticed that the only thing Paul has going for him, is that his supporters are huge chatroom or blog posters then any other candidate's supporters) and support the nominee against Hillary.

Sorry Rudy,
I just don’t believe you! Flip-Flops on this issue just won’t cut it when it comes to our second amendment rights! The other conservative issues (abortion & gay marriage) that you are on the left side of I could live with, but there is NO WAY anyone is taking away my right to keep and bear arms. The criminals would like it if guns are banned as they don’t care about the laws! Let’s enforce all the laws including all of these ‘illegal aliens’ in this county!

there are so many animals in new york city its really tough to govern there..rudy did a great job...

Was that his current wife or future wife?

A gun is is a gun is a gun. Use it wrong and you should get punished. Use it the way it was designed and there is no problem. The gun was designed for defence to stop someone from a distance, therefore protecting ones self from an attacker.

How come gun advocates/NRA regularly quote the second amendment reading 'the right to bear arms' but somehow always leave off the part about 'a well regulated militia'. It's a curious, selective reading of the second amendment. Rudy probably banned guns in NYC so his ex-wives couldn't get ahold of them.

BOW DOWN TO YOUR FUTURE PRESIDENT-FOR-LIFE HILLARY! YOU WILL BE HAPPY DOING WHAT SHE KNOWS IS BEST FOR YOU!! ALL HAIL HER! YOU WILL BE HEALTHY AND PROSPEROUS EVEN AFTER TAXES!

I like Rudy, but have to stick with Fred at this point.

I have no reason to believe Rudy is lying about his position on gun-control, however convenient it seems now. But I want a president who sees my rights as inaileinable, rather than subject to current events and circumstances.

The revolution will be wi-fi'd. Keep the guns in the closet...for now.

Do not believe this fascistic hyena !!!
This M...F... wants to rule nation of slaves !!!

responsibility must come with ownership, I have been around guns from a very early age and was required to attend a month long training course in guns to aquire my first hunting licence at the age of 12. After you turn 18 any yahoo can go out and buy a gun, WTF! how dangerose is it to have a bunch of armed ignoramouses running around shooting semi autos half drunk because its "fun".
Any American citizen who feels the need to own a gun should go through manadatory safety training lasting at least a month and then be rigerously tested to prove that they have learned the material, then they can be a "responsible" gun owner

I think you are all a bunch of freaks.

I'm reading these liberal minded idiots and they're comments about gun control (not many on the subject itself) ....all they can focus on is George Bush ! THANK GOD FOR GB .....you mindless robots of the 'left' have little or no clue about what this country and the world are facing, because you are protected by people who lay their lifes on the line everyday for you. YOU DISGUST ME TO NO END!! IF YOU HATE AMERICA SO MUCH ...JUST LEAVE !!!

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety,"


Isn't he just saying let's be reasonable when trying to protect ourselves? Does one really need an uzi to do that?

www.uzi.com... great! “coming soon”.. SHOP ONLINE!! yee haww!!

NRA is a joke imo.

I don't believe this for one second. What a crock!
This guy is just as dangerous and just as dishonest as any other politician.

G_d gave me the right to protect myself and my family and the constitution guarantees me that right. At home, on the road, in the field. It doesn't matter.

What a lousy selection of candidates this election! Grrrr...

Don't believe a word of it. Giuliani, like the all the rest in this Hollywood show called the 2008 Presidential Election, are the most duplicitous snake oil salesmen on the planet. Whatever is said has been carefully calculated to elicit an ideological response. There is no real meaning in Giuliani's words. The truth is that your guns, regardless of who is President, will be taken from you when the government decides to do so. Yes, they can - and have - done this. New Orleans Police Superintendent P. Edwin Compass III announced in 2005, after hurricane Katrina, that all privately owned firearms would be seized: "No one will be able to be armed. Guns will be taken". Any event that would make possession of a firearm beneficial for self defense - a social collapse, for example - will doubtlessly be deemed a state of emergency. The 2nd Amendment is obsolete: the government can create any of a number of contingencies that grants them the power to confiscate our guns.

Nothing Rudy the RINO can say at this point is going to change anything. He is, and always will be antigun. Sued the gun companies and was adamantly antigun as mayor of NYC.

No way in hell will any antigun politician be getting my support.

Sorry Rudy, you are too liberal for those of us in the in the center of America. Stay in New York where you belong.

How does Ron Paul have no chance against Hillary?

Ron Paul is in fact, the only republican to have a chance against her. Remember, 70% of the nation is against the war. How in god's name could a pro war republican actually win an election in which the war is clearly the number one issue???

And if you are serious about gun rights, Paul is by far your most secure vote.

Rudy is just another lying, liberal hypocrit.
Would never vote for him.

Rudy trying to sound more like Ron Paul, the only true conservative in the race.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I do believe your views on protecting the 2nd Amendment are sincere. Looking at the rest of the field, both parties, you are the only one having demonstrated competence. I can only hope that fellow Republicans understand the dire consequences of allowing the far Left to capture the White House.
Go Rudy!!!!

Evolution? Since when do the rightwingers believe in evolution? And I find it interesting that the righties suddenly developed a case of the vapors about an interest group attacking the honor of General Petraus, when our idiot president never would have gotten reelected without the Swiftboaters' lies about Kerry's record. But it's okay if you're a Republican, right?

Why are assault weapons sold to anyone except police and military? How many private citizens use these as opposed to criminals? I think owning a gun is sensible if one knows how to use it safely, but assault weapons make no sense to me.

A gun is a gun. My right to have Military grade weaponry is as strong as my Great Grandfather's right to a musket. We both need to protect our families from perceived threat by any means necessary. Sometimes those methods may be shocking to Liberals, but no bears or Mexicans will get near MY children.

My right to bear arms is not based on SAFETY, but on the US Constitution. Read it some time.

I don't believe you!

Looking for a Republican to vote for - less government, less tax, less spending, strong defense, Pro-Life, understqanding of the Constitution, stay out of my life and leave my guns alone.

Rudi does not match up

Why has Rudy all of a sudden decided that Gun's and Gun Laws are ok? Being the Mayor in NY, where you may not own a gun is interesting. And if I remember right he also said about 4 yrs ago that "Guns in the hands of non-experienced people, are the detriment of the American Society."

Well I guess I am the detriment to my society, Rudy. Being a woman, having served in our honorable military, working my little bottom off to support my single self and owning guns... I am not your "typical" woman. And I do not need a President telling what I can and can not own to protect myself nor if I have a rifle to shoot a animal to feed myself. Rudy, you did a good thing for the People of NY during 9/11 when you were needed, but that does not mean I will vote for you.

Thompson, I hope you are reading this crap because I am getting tired of the same rehtoric.

At least he had the presence of mind not to say Read my lips.

Does he really think anybody beleives he is now for gun ownership. He sounds more like a celebrity who feels that all past actions can be forgiven by finding God and going to rehab. He will not get my vote.

Amendments were meant to be amended, you rednecks. We don't have to live in fear of the British anymore.

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety," he said.

Excuse me! The first thing I was taught in Boy Scouts was gun safety before I was even aloud to touch it. Then we were taught how to use it. Last but not least of all was that it is the most important Right in our Constitution. Because with out the right to be able to Bear Arms you can not protect the other rights our founders gave us.

Let me get this straight: The events of 9-11 caused Rudy to re-think his position on gun control? So someone could have stopped the attack if they only had a gun on them? Incredible...

Don't trust this guy. He will say anything to get elected. If you trust him you will be electing a worse RINO to Bush.

I in no way believe this guy. He would happily sign a total gun ban just like Hillary. The last thing the country needs is him or any New Yorker. My vote is going for Ron Paul.

Rudy, I think the pea is under the middle shell.

Oww come on people quit beating a dead Fred 4 people showed up at a rally for him the mainstream party already have Allen Keys standing in the wings to take on Ron Paul who going to wipe the floor with him ending the war now makes sense it’s a civil thing not American issues even the vets are backing Ron Paul the main stream media is scared to death of Ron he is the ghost in the machine hackberry bite the dust Flip Flop Rommy main support in Slat lake city give Ron over 3ook in one day The fireman across the country are dogging Rudy doing what ever they can to stop him for what he did to them 9/11 wake up a vote for a real statesman twenty years of integrity no body has that kind of creditability Ron Paul hope for American we can get a real republic back Check his record. then decide

What a farce from this joker. first, the NRA is just a old man's hunting club, has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment. According to the fed's definition of a terriorist group, the NRA fits that description. Support the Gun Owners of America/

"...only politicians and criminals...." What's the difference?

Is anybody out there really naive' enough to actually believe there are ANY politicians in this country who will stand up for us? None of them will stand up for anything except whatever fashionable lie will get them elected, keep them elected, and enable them to dig deeper in your wallet. Power, corruption and greed are their holy trinity.

I've been a staunch conservative for most of my 57 years, somewhere between Rush Limbaugh and Ronald Reagan. I believe that true conservative ideals are the only thing that keep this country a strong, safe republic. Liberalism is a lie, a fraud, a cancer that is killing this country.

The scum in moveon.org and their ilk are taking us down into a cesspool of socialism, an ideology that has been an abject failure in every country that has ever tried it. But still they think they have a BETTER idea. Get a clue, idiots on the left.

Sadly, the right has nobody who can beat the Hillary juggernaut, and that scares the hell out of me. As dishonest, corrupt, greedy and self-serving as her husband was, she's much worse. Prepare for a renewal of the Hillary health-care scam, more of our rights to be stolen away, more taxes for the left's stupid social programs (which have accomplished NOTHING in 60-70 years but a drain on our economy and our wallets), more big-brotherism, more of the communist "it takes a village" lie, and a downward spiral into the socialist cesspool.

Rudy is a liar. He's a RINO, just like McCain. His "evolution" is a fraud.

It really doesn't matter what he says.

What DOES matter is who the NRA endorses, for that'll be the person who'll get my vote.

Plain & Simple.

"I'm ex-military, owner of both long guns and handguns and I have and use a concealed carry license, yes you could say I'm pro-gun.

But I'm also pro-gun control."
-Posted by Rob-

You Sir are a conundrum of hypocracy. You want but don't want other to have. You signed on the dotted lines and swore to uphold and defend the Constitution from all enemies. Yet you say that rules and regulations should be placed on my right. Sir, you have no right to infringe upon my rights. That is the purpose of my Constitution. If you know not what you swore to defend then you shouldn't have. To be ex military does not give you insight, apparently, as to the meaning of the Constitution. I support your right whether I like it or not what you do.(and that would be to the death). Don't think might rights any less important. Don't legislate my rights, or those parts of my rights you don't like, because you want to feel more secure (or whatever your reason is). The problem in America today is everyone wants their rights but they want to restrict my rights. You Sir do not define my life, liberty or pursuit of happiness, and I don't want anybody else trying to either.
Learn what the Constitution is and why it is before you legislate it away.

I am really leary about this evolution. George Bush and George Sr both made campain promises they did not fullfil. In both cases it made for a wasted vote for me. Once elected he may evolve back. I don't think elected officials feel bound by what they say on the campain trial. They just say what they have to say to be popular with their constituants. We have to look at their past to get an idea of what they stand for. I think Rudy is not for gun rights still, I just don't believe this change. He is still a good guy overall but this just does not seem right.

Where and when did this happen? I'm not questioning that these are his views or that you are telling anything other than facts, but if Giuliani said this, or Giuliani did that, your blog does not provide the crucial background information that is quite pertinant to the story you are telling. This is extremely poorly written.

Rudy is rotten to the core, just like Bush is! Both are as corrupt and tyrannical as Hitler, Mao or Stalin ever thought of being. Neither care in the least for the American people, the Constitution or anything other that wielding absolute power. BOTH are most certainly threats to our freedoms, not just our Second Amendment rights but ALL of them! I agree that Ron Paul is the best candidate on the scene today if we wish to remain free and not devolve into a total police state. It's now or never folks!

Sounds like Fred Thompson has Rudy running toward the conservative/libertarian base that supports gun rights. Rudy better remember that if he is elected, not to turn on gun owners and support any gun control laws. (Remember the 1994 Congressional elections following the Clinton Gun Ban on Semi-Autos and the Brady Bill)

I'm supporting Thompson since he is the only realistic candidate that is truly pro-gun ownership, but I do hope that this is a sign that Rudy will stay away from gun control if he ends up elected.

For the record, if Clinton or Obama is elected, kiss your guns goodbye. What they don't ban or confiscate will be useless since I'm sure they will go after ammunition too. It will be to risky to go out and do any shooting even if you hide your guns since someone will hear you and turn you in. Clinton/Obama would ban virtually every gun within months of taking office, I am certain of it. They will no doubt have a strongly Democratically controlled Congress to back them up.

So what's to say he won't "evolve" again... the other way?

I want a steady, PRINCIPLED conservative, not an opportunistic liberal who will say whatever he thinks might get him elected.

Rudy sounds like a typical wishy-washy liberal with no compass.

Actually to restate an above comment, you're another sheep in Bush's clothing!

When your own children are against you Rudy's credability on all of his flip flops to try to get
nomination shouldn't be believed. He would do anything or say anything to get the nomination.
He is the biggest phony in the race.

Mr. "nine eleven" is showing his true colors - Pay attention. Any politician that lacks principles will attempt to win over all groups - regardless. It would be different if they actually had any real principles.

Ron Paul doesnt have a chance to win the Republican primary. Too many American voters fear both personal freedom and self-responsibility. They prefer having a government to tell them what to eat, how to think and how to behave. Sheep are like that.

I support the 2nd Amendment to the fullest extent. That's just one of the many reasons why Ron Paul has my support.

All the rest of you phoney conservatives can jump on the Hannity Wagon and support Giuliani the liberal mobster if you want to. Heck, Giuliani should really be running as Hillary's Vice President. He's no conservative. He's a fascist. Rudy says he's changed his views? How unbelievably convenient! Sounds like Romney becoming pro-life just in time for the election. LOL All these frontrunners are scum. Hillary, Giuliani, Edwards, Thompson - they're all trash.

Mr. Mayor, Sorry but I would much rather support someone who has always stood strong for our second-amendment rights than someone who has only recently converted to the cause.

I believe your current views are more motivated by your desire to be the Republican nominee for President than any true change of heart. That being the case, I cannot trust that your conversion will remain.

I will be voting for Gov. Mike Huckabee who has always supported the Parker court's interpretation of the second amendment as providing an individual right to the American people.

Enough with everyone criticizing only Romney for flip-flopping. Now we have Giuliani on gun control, McCain on immigration, Thompson on immigration AND abortion, and Romney on Abortion.

None of the campaigns or their supporters have any room to talk or complain about Romney and flip-flopping. You have nothing on him now. (Except he is too polished, or whatever that means).

As an NRA member, I dont believe him. I dont speak
for the organization, but I know who I will NOT
vote for.

If only there were a candidate who has never flip-flopped! Who could be such a candidate? I wonder...

Giuliani is a thug. The only one who has any chance against the republocrat machine is Ron Paul.

so it's OK to have the constitutional right to own a gun (which I support) but it's not OK to keep more than 200 years of constitutional rights to free speech on public issues, even if you offend someone?

What pathetic small-minded hypocrite. I know people who know him and this fits with the image they have of a petty, purely self-serving toady.

I will support Ron Paul until the end. I refuse to vote for someone just because they 'arent Hillary'. Go ahead and vote for Rudy McRomney and don't be surprised when they continue proxy wars for Israel, continue to allow the Fed to hyper-inflate and devalue our money, and continue to spend spend spend for big government and continue to turn America into a socialist police state and throw what's left of the Constitution out the window.

Ron Paul very well may not have a chance but I will sleep well at night knowing I voted for someone who has shown consistent integrity and principle and not a bought and paid for shill for the CFR.

Heres is a good article on the 'lesser of two evils' voting deception.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/kramer2.html

I don't believe him for a minute! Once a gun grabber always a gun grabber. What a crock.

I like how when giuliani flip flops it is called an 'evolution.'

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety," - and now the rest of the sentence - "and I'll tell you what's reasonable.".

"the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

It doesn't say except when the government disapproves. Or only certain arms. Or only certain people. If you ask me, because it includes both words "keep and bear" and because it says "shall not be infringed" the government should not be allowed to force you to get a conceal carry permit.

Our constitution says I have the right to keep and bear arms without any threat of the government infringing on those rights. That means no gun control laws. The reason we have this law is to protect the citizens from the government. In other words, the law was designed to prevent the government from out-gunning it's citizens.

It doesn't say we have the right to keep and bear arms to protect ourselves from criminals. It says we have this right to protect our freedom and security.

We are supposed to have the strength and the means to take on our government whenever it becomes too powerful and unanswerable. One of the biggest incentives for including this law in our Constitution was punitive or unfair taxation by an all-powerful government. Remember?

Tobacco. It's worse than taxation without representation. This is taxation with anti-representation. This group is being forced to fund their own ostracization. Very un-American. But we don't make tobacco illegal, do we? Too much money to be had sticking it to people no one else will fight for. We just stick a 600% tax on it. Screw you, pariah! What are you gonna do about it?

The first thing a dictator does is disarm the citizenry. There's a reason. Then you can attack and tax to death any group you want and no one can fight back.

I can't wait until they come after some freedom the Marxist secularists enjoy. National Health Care is coming. Now you won't be able to eat any fat or be overweight or participate in extreme sports or anything else that might possibly cause a health problem because the government owns your body. Plus, the middle class can pay for everyone else's health insurance. Screw you, bourgeoise! What are you gonna do about it?

Those who would give up essential freedoms for security deserve neither.

Does he really think people are stupid and that he will say one thing to get elected and then do another when in office ? Well he's probably right there are a lot of stupid people who will vote for him just for being the 9-11 mayor and teh sentiment some have over that. Buy your guns now and learn how to reload your own ammo folks.

Its astonishing to me that anyone whom calls themselves a republican (FYI I am not one) can even bother considering Rudy Guiliani. He actually makes Romney look legitimate as a conservative. Rudy ran a shelter city, sued gun makers, ran up huge budget defects, left his wife in a horribly public episode for his campaign manager, lets not forget Benard Kerik... and oh yeah, remember when he endorsed Mario Cuomo for governor in 1994?

Also, (if that were not enough,) we should not forget that when Guiliani's 2nd term was near an end before the attacks he had basically agitated just about everyone in the city, and as a result had become functionally irrelevant. As Mayor, Guiliani was overwhelming known for being unilateral in actions, controversial to the point of being provocative, heavy handed in law enforcement matters, and insensitive to the complicated ethnic and racial issues, that still plague New York to this day. Remember amadou diallo or abner louima anybody???

Rudy's Prior stint in the "small pond" of New York City should clearly show just not qualified for the office of president he is.

Simpliity yeilds the best result result

NO GUN CONTROL WHAT SO EVER ! those that earn the it,shall receive !

Come on guys. The decision will be Rudy or Hillary. That is a no-brainer because we know what Hillary will do to your guns and the 2nd Amendment. Rudy may not be the perfect Reagan conservative, but he is a heck of lot closer than HER. A vote for anyone but Rudy will be a vote for Hillary. Remember the Clinton Gun Ban anyone? Probably the single stupidest, most ineffective piece of legislation ever inked. Whatever Rudy's position, SHE will take your guns!

Rudy now claims that he supports the Second Amendment but just as suddently he is against the First Amendment by wanting to sanction MoveOn for expressing their opinion in a written advertisement. Can't anyone support all of the first ten amendments to the Constitution of the United States which we call the Bill of Rights?

Quick men, grab your guns and go to the front windows !

All women and children to the basement !

I find it funny how its OK for a republican to flip-flop ("Thank you for coming to your senses") but when a Democrat flop-flops, its pointed out over and over again by republicans. If nominated, the Democrats need to keep focusing on Guiliani's flip-flop the way the republicans focused on Kerry's!

Sorry folks. Guns aren't getting pussified in THIS country. We'll take them locked and loaded. This guy's not going to change anything because he's not going to get elected. Rudy's a little too Jewish looking for this country to take seriously.

I wonder how the students at Delaware State feel out guns..

I thought you liberals were all about choice? You don't want to give me the choice on where to send my kids to school. And you certainly don''t want to give me the choice to own a firearm to protect myself and my family. What is it with you people? Firearms certainly aren't for everyone, but neither is having kids or driving a car. Do my background check, and then BUTT OUT !!! As long as someone is not legally prohibited from owning a gun (i.e. felon, mental history, illegal alien, etc...) it''s none of your damn business if I own a firearm, and what kind of firearm it is. Lock me away for life if I ever commit a crime with it, but until then, don't give me this public safety garbage. Why can't you libs simply choose not to be a part of something and then let it be. No, if it's something you don't like, something you don't agree with, you have to try to make it illegal. Look in the mirror the next time you call someone a fascist!

It's too bad he didn't stick to his guns (no pun intended).

Guns in the hands of the common man is an antiquated idea. Banning guns would lead to less voilent crime in the future.

"your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety" Not OUR right to bear arms but YOUR- he is above us all somehow it seems he thinks. And what exactly, is the "reasonable degree of safety"- some floating around space quantity that changes at eh whims of political handlers- suddenly to evaporate like in New Orleans after katrina, huh? Once a fascist, always a fascist. Let him and all the fascists join the breadlines where simpering fools feed anyone because of hunger as the only gauge. Disemploy all the anti-freedomites NOW. We have more than the right to defend our homes- we have AN OBLIGATION spelled out in the 2nd Amendment to keep arms. Especially now, in a global war with people who want nothing other than to kill us. Not take us over and enslave us, not to train and build factories so we can be like them, and join civilization like when we vanquish an enemy- just to KILL US. We need to elect real Americans this time around.

Rudy and others fear the power of the NRA.
Thus they have become experts in talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Gee, I'm so glad it was reported that he said "I love you" to his wife. And the point is.... ? Was he supposed to say something else, thereby reinforcing the writer's not too subtle inference that he's not human if he believes in the right to bear arms?

This guy would vote to bring back alcohol Prohibition. We don't need any more a** holes telling us what we can & can't do. He shut down a bunch of porn shops in NY, but has no problem fornacating & commiting adultery himself. He has armed guards protecting him, but it's against the law for citizens to protect their families. We don't need these hypocrite jerks running on the Republican ticket. Even though I'm a Hawk - I'm voting for Ron Paul...

"Guns in the hands of the common man is an antiquated idea. Banning guns would lead to less voilent crime in the future."

David - it's too bad reality doesn't sync up with your preconceived ideas.

Australia has outlawed guns and they have one of the highest crime rates in the world. The places with the lowest crime rates are places that have conceal carry.

Next.

TO live free or DIE:

you might want to check your spelling while you are being so absolute in your statements.

Simpliity yeilds the best result result?

and

those that earn the it, shall receive?

Whatever point you were trying to make, you didn't.

He is a politician, they do not what the definition of IS, IS. Politicians say one thing then do the exact opposit once elected. We need to get every last one of them to sign a binding contract on what they will or won't do prior to getting elected.

Everything negative said about guns is absolutely true. That is precicely why everyone should own one. That is precicely why everyone should know how to use one. Imagine, for a moment, if during the American Revolution only the British had guns. Had that been true, sheesh, everyone would now be speaking English! --jws

The 2nd Amendment has not been incorporated under the 14th Amendment Due Process Clause. Thus, the 2nd Amendment does not bind the states to recognize any right to bear arms. That being said, the states are free to regulate gun control. All the 2nd amendment does is prohibit the federal government from preventing the states from establishing and regulating their own state militias. The concept of the right to bear arms - in the strictly legal sense - has only recently been considered Individual, meaning a solitary person has a right to bear arms. 5th Circuit Federal Appellate court recognizes this individual right, but doesn't find that States cannot regulate as they see fit.

Don't fall for presidential campaign rhetoric regarding gun control or gun freedom. This is a Federalism issue where State action is followed up by the courts if need-be.

Educate yourselves on the caselaw:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parker_v._District_of_Columbia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Emerson

The individual right to bear arms isn't going anywhere, and any presidential candidate pandering to either the NRA or gun control group is doing just that - pandering. If you want to advocate real gun freedom or gun control, lobby the governors and state legislatures because the Supreme Court's won't touch this one with a 10 foot pole unless either a Due Process, Equal Protection, or Commerce Clause issue is raised.

Cheryl, your comments are right on. I wished more people would understand the true purpose of the 2nd amendment(and the entire constitution). The 2nd amendment is not for protection from criminals but for protection from government.
Too many people claim their constitutional rights and in the next breath they want restrictions on other peoples right. There isn't enough people in this country that understands the reason and meaning of the constitution. It leaves for only one logical conclusion and that is no constitution.

Rudy clearly doesn't have any concern for the Constitution, he doesn't even bother acknowledging the 2nd Amendment in his fake support for gun rights, and despite the distasteful MoveOn ad, a government sanction would violate the First Amendment. This guy scares me. Rudy doesn't care about the Constitution, do you?

I wonder how much Ambinder paid to have this site linked from Drudge :)

Personally, I liked deko's comment the best

Rudy: I would like to run for President.

Conservative Right: What do you stand for?

Rudy: What would you like me to stand for? Also, remember 9/11?

Giuliani had NYC sue the gun industry. Here is the video from the press conference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs5DxwzEXHQ

Giuliani defends the lawsuit against the gun industry on his radio program. The gun industry was "overproducing guns". Here is the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhe38wJ86Do

Cheryl,

You must be a pollster. Your "sample" is a little thin don't you think. Australia is in the process of removing guns from their society.

The countries with the lowest crime rates are the ones that never allowed guns in the first place.

Notice I prefaced "in the future"

Next...

The Second Amendment to the Constitution and all other amendments in the Bill of Rights do not give us any rights. These Rights are natural rights, human rights, birth rights, the Bill of rights Protects our natural right. Man naturally has the right to protect himself against all enemies foreign or DOMESTIC. The 2nd amendment Guarantees the rights of Americans to Keep and Bear Arms. Of course the Government keeps trying to ignore our rights. That is the reason the amendment was put in place. Read the writings of our Founding Fathers, Jefferson, Madison and the others, All say it is an individual right and a Check on our Government, so we can fight them if they become tyranical.

That's right Rudy, tell them what they want to hear, not what you believe. Typical politician.

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety," he said.

My rights to keep and bear arms are NOT based on a reasonable degree of safety. They are based on the U.S. Constiturion Second Amendment and if this guy does not understand that, why should he be president? What else in the Constitution does he not understand?

Funny how becoming a candidate makes people have a CHANGE of heart huh? He can talk that talk all day long but his record speaks for itself and it is a record of complete disregard for the US Constitution and the Second Amendment and he'll NEVER get my vote because of it.

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Yeah, if all the people in the Twin Towers had guns, 9/11 wouldn't have happened. Nice one, Rudy. As far as the 1st Amendment goes, we're at war and we always will be, so Americans better watch what they say!

Just proves "Adolph Bullyani" will do anything to get elected. I wouldn't trust him or Hillary to clean my toilets.

BTW, for anyone who can read plain English, the 2nd Amendment is the only amendment that places restrictions on BOTH the states and Congress. NO restriction on the "right of the people to keep and bear arms" is Constitutional, despite what corrupt politicians and judges might tell you.

you write that he said the right to "bare" arms, as opposed to "bear" arms. Maybe he is actually for stripping arms away, which is what that word implies, so maybe it's not an about face after all...

You beat me to it, nice typo "bare".

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I have more respect for Sarah Brady that I do for Rudy.
At least she is consistent in her position, not a flip-floper.

Rudy, if you were interested in courting my vote, you just lost it forever.

one thing we can all agree on -
we prefer to see rudy's bare arms to seeing hillary's bare legs

On that comment that crime has gone down in every state with an open gun ownership, as usual half truths from the right...NC passed that law in 1995. Here is link to 10 years trend...true assualts and murder down BUT rapes and robberies up. Arent robberies and rapes the crimes which gun ownership are supposed to prevent? Also it's not like crime dropped 50% because of the light gun laws, its same as nationwide average. Rudy is a whore to the NRA

http://sbi2.jus.state.nc.us/crp/public/Default.htm

He says he changed his gun views after 9-11.
So he's had six years to tell us about this change and he just gets around to telling us when an election is coming up.
He if he had really changed why didn't he try to change the draconian gun laws on New York City while he was mayor.
I don't believe a word he's saying and I sure don't expect him to uphold 2nd amendment rights should he get elected.

Rudy is just another big government fascist that will say anything just to get elected. I support Ron Paul, the only true conservative in the race.

Sorry Rudy but I'll never vote you (or Romney, or McCain.) Those of us who are long time firearms owners remember well your lawsuits and anti-gun rhetoric.

Unless Newt is the candidate I'll be voting libertarin this year.

Best

Back that up, David.

Switzerland has one of the lowest crime rates in the world and they are REQUIRED to keep guns and know how to use them.

Australia banned private ownership of guns years ago.

Please follow this link:
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/aus.html

It shows how all violent crime in Australia is UP since they BANNED GUNS.

PEOPLE WITH GUNS KILL PEOPLE

Of course Australia has a high crime rate! It's a country full of criminals! You're a dope. That's like telling me that cooking classes are full of fat people. Wow, really?

Jewliani should get tazered like Kerry just was for his flip flopping. You can't say some guns are okay and others aren't. This country needs more guns. Are the Muslums going to attack us when every American is carrying a Remington? I don't think so. The World needs to be reminded why we're the best country.

Nice flip-flop Rudy!

As for the move.on ad, as much as I disagree with it and found it disgusting, how about protecting the 1st A and not just the 2nd, flip-flopper?

When "Actual Republican" spouts this kind of crap, I have to laugh:

"you guys wouldn't vote for a Republican regardless of who it is"

Never heard of a "Reagan Democrat" I guess. A little history can be dangerous on these boards. Apparently Fox News forgot to put that in your talking points? Oh, wait, you're busy bashing MoveOn.org's free speech right, a bedrock principle that comes BEFORE your right to fondle your weapon.

Here's an old adage to help you identify the basic principles of the different voters:

Democrats want to fall in love with their candidate. Republicans want to fall in line.

Well, you never know what someone really believes but it is good enough for me that he makes a committment to not putting forth more anti-gunowner legislation. The fact is that most gun rules and laws come from states and municipalities and the federal gun laws have been creatures of the Congress. I support Rudy for pres because he wants to use guns to kill the islamofascists. That it is a VERY good use of guns.

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"A vote for anyone but Rudy will be a vote for Hillary."

- The last time we voted the lesser of two evils we got Bush! No thanks. I'll pass on the "lesser" thing from now on.

P.s I also don't like your continued pro-illegal immigration policies.

This guy is willing to sell his soul to get elected. I wouldn't trust him with my Constitutional Rights further that I can spit. He became born again just in time to attempt to garner the votes of the 2 million plus gun owners in the US.
What a transparent phony puke.
Kinda like McCain's death bed conversion on Amnesty for Illegals. These "conversions" will be long gone come inauguration day. Then it will be "F U conservatives", yes, they will do a Bush on us right quick.
The NRA should have told old Rudy to take a hike. It is an insult that they allowed him to address the membership.

dang... politicians will say anything to get elected. both parties are filled with a bunch of pandering liars! anyone who thinks there is a difference between democrats and republicans is naive or dangerously optimistic. the "most conservative" administration (the current one) brought us a bigger (and more intrusive) government, a pointless war, more wasteful spending, less state's rights, and an economy teetering on the edge of collapse. i honestly do not see any current candidate on the right who is a true conservative: a nonintervention foreign policy, state's rights, getting gov't off our backs (including out of our bedrooms: sorry Christian righters), closed borders (economic too: no more Clintonian NAFTA policies), and getting rid of the IRS. we are a country dependent of arab oil, and cheap toxic crap made in china... and the media is too busy talking about oj or britney spears to keep anything in check. i am saddened by what we as a nation are becoming. the canadian dollar just surpassed the u.s. dollar. 7 years ago, the canadian dollar was worth about 66 u.s. cents. we are not on a good course.

Smarmy RINOS, all of the sudden have an epiphany about their views on controversial subjects just as they are running for president and we're suppose to believe their sudden conversions. I certainly hope conservatives are smarter then to believe these smarmy RINOS, but if these are the supposed "top contenders" the GOP has to offer, I'm telling you right now if one of these smarmy RINOS is what will be running against whatever the left dredges out of their cesspool for their candidate, come 2008, there's going to be full democRAT control of Congress and the White House. Mark my words.

The GOP is in trouble when it's supposed "top contenders" are people I would never vote for. The country is in peril when neither candidate is worth voting for.

Dr Ron Paul is "unelectable" because he is the only candidate out there with a lick of sense. He is the only one out there not flip flopping to be popular at the momment, and the only one out there still willing to listen to and fight for the common people and our constitution. You know it, I know it and the media bias knows it (that's why they never even mention his name). The bankers and greedy corporations that are really running this country don't care who is elected democrat or republican as long as it's someone they can sway to their bankroll. That's why they fear him so much. Big business doesn't care about the constitution unless they can make a profit off of it. They don't want you to have any guns. It's a lot easier to raise interests rates, foreclose on the family farm and claim your house by way of emminent domain when you don't have a way of defending yourself. Our country has been taken from us a piece at a time and no one even bothered to notice. Maybe it's time we stood up for ourselves and tried to elect the unelectable.

"Your right to bare arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety," Said Giuliani.
Not so, such right is not even based on the U.S. Constitution. This right exists prior to the Constitution and is merely recognized by our highest legal document. This is a natural right. The Constitution does not give us this right, it merely affirms it.
Sorry Mr. Lawyer man, you need to go back to Constituitional Law 101.
I'm not a lawyer, but I know what the Constitution is and what it claims.

"Your right to bare arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety"

Sorry, Sir. My right to bear arms is based on the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

I hope the extremists posting here will cut this guy some slack.

When he said, "Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety." IT DID NOT MEAN that he believes it's not based on the Second Amendment.

The newspaper just quoted that portion. Is he supposed to qualify every single time he talks about the basis of the right to bear arms?

Come on, people, a LITTLE COMMON SENSE. Do you speak like that normally? "By the way Steve, Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety, and the laws in each state, and the second amendment, and the forefather's desire to keep colonizing powers like England from ruling you with an army against your will... oh please pass the salt."

Sheesh you people need to calm down

Newt Gingrich please get in the race- I am not impressed with Thompson and Rudy must go.

Its funny how the left like to interpret the US Constitution. First of all the Right to Bear arms is in the Bill of rights a subset to the us consttitution. It is not part of the original constitution documents. BOR were ratified in 1791 and not 1798 as was the original USC. AMENDMENT II " A well regulated Militia,(comma)being necessary to the security of a free sate,(comma)(not security of a nation),the right of the (keyword here liberals)-> PEOPLE (not militia) to keep and bear Arms ,shall not be infringed. (That means you can't take the gun away from me)(liberals, that means I can keep a gun and do.) This means we can form a State militia using the guns we have the right to have nedowed by the STATES not The federal govt. This Amendment does not say we can only keep guns if we are in a militia. This Amendment has two seperate but two distinctive Statements. Seperated by commas. IF you kow anything about early grammer and spelling and punctuation. A comma was used frequently to seperate thinking while writing. Look at other State documnts from this era and you will see the same usage of grammer and punctuation in many upon many documents. Liberals stop interpreting based on your wants. How about this. You don't have guns and I'll keep mine and you can have the gov wipe your asses and I'll take personal responsibity for myself. We know you guys always blame someone else or the US govt for all of your deficiencies. Grow up.

I believe than a person’s moral compass can be determined by how he references the right of free men to defend their God given gift of life. That there is an argument in America that a free man can defend himself or his family is absolutely preposterous, completely unacceptable, and I will not accept it. That politicians would try to tell me they will dictate where, why, when, or if I can defend myself is ludicrous and I will not accept that. I will not accept Rudy's definition of what is "a reasonable degree of safety" and just what is that anyway? Is it like being just a little dead?

Until and unless there is an amendment to the Constitution passed by both houses of congress, signed by the president, and ratified by two thirds of the state legislatures within a seven year time period that makes null and void the Second Amendment, the Second Amendment is my permit to carry concealed weapons—PERIOD!! Until and unless that is done, no politician can tell me that I can not. No court can tell me that I can not and any politician that does should NOT be elected to ANY office.

I would rather see armed and free Americans kill those who attempt to harm them or their families than have politicians tell us we can not defend ourselves or what they believe is "reasonable.". I don’t like repeat criminals; I like dead criminals! I don't like politicians that see the light once they run for office and Rudy is EXACTLY that. If he were not running for president, he would STILL BE trying to outlaw all fiirearms and he will do that if he is elected. The best indication of what your future performance is going to be is what your past performance has been and Rudy has been trying to overturn and outlaw the Second Amendment since he has been in public office.

We MUST protect the RIGHT to "...bare arms".

Protest TODAY by going SLEEVELESS in PUBLIC!

Robert Fallin, you are mistaken.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The 2nd Amendment was an amendment to the FEDERAL constitution. It affects only the FEDERAL government. That is, only until the courts recognize that the right is binding on states as well. The Supreme Court hasn't ruled on anything regarding the 2nd Amendment since US v. Miller:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller

Since then, only two circuit courts have ruled that there is something called the "Individual Right to Bear Arms." EVERY OTHER CIRCUIT adopts the "Collective" right. That means, the federal government cannot prevent states from organizing, maintaining, and arming their militias. My post above has the two other important 2nd Amendment cases, Parker v. US and US v. Emerson.

Right now, I'm watching CSPAN's coverage of the NRA meeting in Washington, DC.

Bill Richardson sent a taped message which the NRA played on the giant TV monitors. The NRA endorsed him for congress and for governor. I don't trust him because he was a member of the Clinton cabinet. However, he did send bother to record greetings. If miraculously, Richardson beats Hillary to get the nomination, and the GOP only offers Giuliani, I might just vote for Richardson.

Even McCain showed up, gave a speech primarily on the War in Iraq (he's no friend of the 2nd Amendment), but quickly exited without taking questions.

If Giuliani is so pro-2nd Amendment all of the sudden, why didn't he come to address this group?

David, Those countries that do not allow guns or they have been taken away from their citizens are mostly run by dictators that have all the guns!!

"bear"

not

bare.

you also have the right to proofread.

Giulaini's former position on gun control was
not something I agreed with but at least I could
respect it. Now he's shown himself
as just another politician, willing to say whatever it takes to get elected. Next month we'll
be hearing about his epiphany on illegal
immigration and how we have to seal the border.

Has the Republican party forgot what it means to be a conservative? Where is the Republican candidate that is:
- Pro-gun (and always has been)
- Reasonably anti-abortion (exceptions for the mothers health, rape, etc...)
- Anti-illegal immigration
- Willing to accept gay "partnerships" but marriage is between a man and a woman.
- Realizes one of the reasons healthcare is so high is due to excess rules, regulations and paperwork.
- Is against Socialized medicine.
- Able to give a speech without slouching over
the podium looking like some guy talking to you
in a bar. (Not mispronouncing words or mixing up
facts would be nice too).
- Gives the military the respect it deserves.
- Realizes we're in Iraq, we broke it and we need
to fix it. (Continually sending our boys into that
meat-grinder may work eventually but there has to
be a better way to get this done. Allowing the
radical muslims to gain a foothold there is
something we would seriously regret later on)

Out of the top Republican contenders we have
Giulaini
Thompson
Romney
McCain?

Two of which are moderate-liberals, one has
anger issues that make Howard Dean look like
a monk and the last is having to be dragged onto
his feet and pushed out the door just to get
him moving. How we need another Ronald Reagan.

COME ON PEOPLE!

Not thirty seconds before he said "Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety." He called gun ownership "A CONSITUTIONAL RIGHT."

GOD CALM DOWN, the article has limited space and picks out its quotes. Go read the whole speech before you complain.

"Your right to bare arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety,"? Is there something going on in the shirt industry that we don't know about?

If you want to control the biggest nuclear arsenal on earth, it makes sense to be pro-guns.
Are you listening Mr Ahmadinijad?

MRC you still wearing thast tinfoil on your head? Remember that?????? There still listening......

For those that say Dr. Paul is unelectable and therefore should compromise their vote are buying into the propaganda promulgated by the power elite. If you believe in the constitution and the rule of law, there is only one candidate that fully and consistently adheres to these principles. If not, then by all means sell out this country and vote for the corporate sponsored toadies. Remember, a vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil.

Ron Paul 2008

A D Buck,

Why not Fred Thompson? Newt is just as polarizing as Hillary is.

It's quite simple!

GUN CONTROL = A FIRM GRIP AND GOOD TRIGGER CONTROL!

AND PRACTCE, PRACTICE AND PRACTICE!

Rudy Giulaini is a 'flip flopper' and he will say anything to get elected.

Rudy is an authoritarian of the highest order.
He WILL take away our 2nd amendment right as it is intended in the constitution. Do not buy into what these politicians say. Look at what their actual record shows. Rudy does not think everyone has a right to keep and bare arms.

"Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority" - Rudy Giuliani

Read this book if you have any questions about what freedoms and liberties Giuliani may take away if elected POTUS.
http://www.amazon.com/Conservatives-Without-Conscience-John-Dean/dp/0670037745

Somebody at The Atlantic needs to go back to school and take the spelling test again. Rudy Giuliani, whatever his faults, has never denied anyone the right to "bare arms". I have been walking around sleeveless in Manhattan all summer long and did the same in the years Giuliani was in command around here.

I am, however, glad to hear that his views on my right to "bear arms" have moved forward.

Once again Rudy has demonstrated his contempt for law abiding gun owners. Note to Rudy and his handlers; no, we really are not that stupid. And no, we don't believe a word of it.

Anonymous,

It is the United STATES Constitiution. Not the Feferal constitution. It is guideline for States which makes up the federal Representative Republic( not democracy liberals). The US constitution gives the States the rights to create their own laws based on this guideline. Our forefathers never intended to make the Nation a whole government, governed centrally. That is why we have Congress. But I understand your logic.

What we say here means next to nothing. I dare say none of us is an expert in Constitutional Law, and all of us get our "facts" from various media sources (which stopped giving us facts years ago). If we want to make our opinions count, let's take our butts to the election booths next fall and vote!

I'll keep my guns in my house..(to fend off invaders or fascists within my own country) I was in the Infantry with the US Army and I believe any service member, or anyone with a competant internet search tool can read the oath we take upon enlistment. One particular line comes to mind "...I will defend constitution and the people of the United States from all enemies, both foriegn and -domestic-"

Keep your religion out of my politics, keep your hands off my firearms and for the love of Pete, if your going to kick another country into the ground, please have a valid reason for it?!?!

any liberal who is against gun ownership should ask himself, "do you want george w. bush to have all the weapons?" i sure as hell do not! this make-believe conservative administration illustrates exactly why we need the second amendment! with the gov't taping our phones, monitoring our internet and credit card use, checking what we're borrowing from the library, and holding people indefinitely without even being charged with anything, it's good for the people to be armed. a dictatorship rises when the people fear the government. freedom rises when the gov't fears the people!

Still waiting for an answer, David. Did the facts get in the way of your convictions again?

Democrat here. Rudy is not Bush 2.0, he is Cheney 2.0.
As far as MoveOn ad. In bad taste but please take a look at the First Amendment Rudy

Anonymous:
Parker v. District of Columbia is now being considered by the Supreme Court. If it takes this case, then its decision will determine State law. It appears that they will affirm.
The 14th amendment is the lens through which every other amendments is viewed. It clearly encompasses the 2nd amendment.
jim

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety"

What? The right to bear arms is based on the constitution, dumbass!

I believe wholeheartedly that Mayor Giulaini wants to protect our country from terrorists. However, when he maintained the Sullivan Act mandating a year in Jail for anyone who knowingly possessed a handgun without a carry permit (impossible to obtain in NY), he is not supportive of the NRA. When he said that as President, what applied in NY, doesn't necessary have to apply to the nation as a whole, I am not so sure. He stated that he would leave gun rights to the states, that's admirable. However, the second amendment is clear as all the other 9 Bill of rights, it's individual, inalieable. That means the right is given by god, not government. The Bill of rights is not living and breathing, it is absolute or we no longer live in our Republic (not a democracy as the left would have you believe).I support Guiliani as a President but his gun rights stance is questionable.
Andrew Howard

Which is worse----Rudy who flip flops on gun control or Hilary who will neverchange her anti gun position?


John

"I believe that law endforcement should focus on enforcing the laws that exist on the books as opposed to passing new extensions of laws," he said. "A person's home is their castle. They have the right to protect themselves in their own home."

sorry, NO. you have the right to protect yourself ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE YOU GO. PERIOD. g's newfound "enlightenment" on the gun issue is NOTHING more than pandering in hopes of getting support from the NRA and gun owners, so that he can get his hypocritical corrupt arse into bigger government and push his agenda still further.

no intelligent person should buy into this twaddle. guiliani's record on the gun issue is CLEAR. VERY CLEAR. he's anti-gun. period. screw his lying arse.

When a politician gets up infront of a podium and suggests a sanction against a difference of opinion, Ladies and Gentlemen it is a sign of a democracy which is on the verge of collapse. I beg you my fellow Americans, lets stick together and protect the only democracy in the world, if we loose it the world will loose it. I love Republicans and i love democrats, because we are here today a super power because of both parties working together, but i am beginning to notice that we are falling apart slowly. So Please call your elected officials and express this point. A person or an organization has every right to express their feelings whether we like it or not. It is what makes america a gift to the world. God bless America.

"Giuliani said that MoveOn.org's ad criticizing Gen. Petreaus was out of bounds and hinted that the group should face some sort of sanction."

Hmm, has Rudy forgotten the First Amendment in his patheticaly transparent rush to expand the meaning of Second Amendment?

No Rudy. I don't believe you. I don't trust you. Frankly, I fear your stances on "security" and the role of the state, more than I fear being blown up by one of those so called "terrorists".

Keep your filthy paws off my guns. Keep your prying eyes out of my sock drawer, and keep your ever listening ears away from my telephone calls.

My Dear Anon,

Our rights enumerated in our Constitution are God given, no man wearing robes or not has the right to infringe upon them.

The great and divinely inspired founders of this Republic look down upon us with shame. They weep for us as we have become a nation of sheep being the servants of government rather that the reverse as it was designed to be.

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." Samuel Adams

"What have you given us, Dr. Franklin? A monarchy or a republic?" Franklin’s answer: "A republic, Madam – if you can keep it."

.....

SAM

you too are mistaken. See my posts earlier. 2nd amendment _explicitly_ says the federal government cannot infringe the state's regulation of a militia and the people's right to bear arms.

The actual states themselves can pretty much try whatever they want. It's up to the courts and the state legislatures, not presidential nominees (or presidents for that matter) to decide.

Rudy a Republican? Yeah right! He's a RINO! Some people may believe his line of bs, but not a single soul that knows anything about him. Just the "FUDDS". The idiot will do and say anything to get elected! He can't even run his own life, how the hell can he run the country?!!!!!

hey R, hate to break it to you but you need laws to convict criminals.

You wanna throw all the gun laws out the window?

What are you gonna do if a cop catches a gun dealer with a trunk-load of fully automatic assault weapons?

Without a law saying its illegal the officer cant do a thing.

Two days later that dealer sells a gun to a man who goes and shoots up your daughters school...

We're a nation of laws R. You're right not everyone follows them but that does not mean there should not be any

Hmmmm.

""Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety," he said."

MY right to bear arms is based on the 2nd Amendment of the United States Constitution and has NOTHING to do with any "reasonable degree of safety".

What a schmuck.

Any of you folks falling for this mealy-mouth crap?

Rudy, Mitt, Obama, Clinton, it does not matter. Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that "there's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters, banning books like "America Deceived' from Amazon, stealing private lands (Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason. Support Dr. Ron Paul and save this great country..
Last link (before Google Books bends to gov't Will and drops the title):
America Deceived (book)

Jukia,

Yes we have the First Amendment right to print or say what we want. Your a blue sheep. See I jsut said what I wanted. Are you offended? But can you even quote the First Amendment or any ohter Atrticles or Amendments or is this something you've heared on E! Entertainment? The Advertizment was against a guy who actually fought and killed people for you to be able to get on this site and write your words. Do liberals have any repsect for anyone that defends their rights or does their freedom given to them just come without cost. He did not deserve this Advertisement. HE is not a politician.

Tony V.
But remember that Mr. Giuliani is a lawyer and he is used to being precise in his language. If not then he should so indicate.
When he says "based" that means the basis for one's right as used in his sentence.
This is the basic argument over the Constitution--how to interpret it. Do we interpret according to its original intent or interpret it in a sloppy way that even Mr. Giuliani seems to do?
Giuliani's way seems dangerous to me!
jim

It appears many gun owners believe only conservative own guns. In fact there are millions of gun owning liberals who are law abiding citizens like millions of conservatives. There are even liberals in the military fighting in Iraq. Perhaps some liberals want guns taken away but most just want them 'well-regulated'. This is nothing law abiding liberal or conservative gun owners should be concerned with. I generally feel safer around calm, happy people rather than intense, angry people full of vitriol. Perhaps people who owned guns would do themselves a favor if they just sounded nicer and didn't sound so ready to use their guns against people who simply use their freedom of speech (something many liberals and conservatives have died to preserve). After all many gun owners want to use guns to protect freedom of speech, amongst other rights, but then seem to use very abrasive and threatening speech against those who simply express a different opinion. Clearly a police officer will want to remove guns from anyone who appears a threat to individuals or society. If you're a nice, friendly, congenial fellow who would want to take your gun away?

A skunk never changes it's stink, even if he changes his colors

don't get hung up on gun control. it is a wedge-issue. the 2nd amendment makes it clear that we have a right to bear arms. the 14th amendment makes it clear that the states have to abide by all the other amendments. i know it scares a lot of people, but gun control is not a bad thing. it is not unreasonable to do background checks on people buying potentially deadly items. luckily, democrats know it is a sensitive issue to us "middle-americans," so nobody is gonna be taking our guns. if they try to, we can always shoot them :-) seriously, let's try to bridge the red/blue divide in this country and get things back on track before it is too late.

The press acts like Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Rudolph Giuliani, John McCain, Barack Obama, W. Mitt Romney, and Fred Thompson are the only ones running.

Not so! This time you have two real choices---Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo! Do yourselves a favor and check out these two candidates. This may be your last chance to rescue America.

Regards, The Old Prospector

Another NRA member says this guy is a joke. Does he really think anyone buys this B.S.?

I guess this is what the right use to call a flip flop. I am sure we won't be hearing that term on Fair and Balanced Fox news.

Attempted to trackback to you from my blog with no success. Haloscan does not like any of your trackback urls.

Sounds like Rudy is just playing the tune he thinks you want to hear. He won't change. Just like he won't change on illegal aliens.

He likely won't get my vote. No matter how two-faced he is on the surface, it's easy to see the political BS meter shooting into the red.

Sorry, but I will vote for the only candidate that TRULY believes in gun control and immigration issues. someone who at least when he hires immigerants to landscape his yard, he knows they are not in this country illegally. Mitt Romney for President! March onwards, Christian soldiers!!

Rudy is just too damn liberal on most social issues, although given the choice between him and ANY Dem, I'd take him. Everyone should have the right to bear arms, BUT every person who wants a gun should have to go through the concealed weapons permit program: a waiting period, firearm training, and safety training. I do not think that is too much to ask.

Our rights are derived from our creator and they are unalienable. They cannot be taken away or revoked by any person, politician, or government.

The Bill Of Rights simply affirm those rights.

In the end, it is the people who decide.

Anyone who thinks Rudy is a Patriot is deluded and foolish. RON PAUL is the only true blue red blooded American conservative worthy to hold the office of the presidency PERIOD!

"I wonder how the students at Delaware State feel out guns.."

Probably wish they had some with which to protect themselves, instead of being locked down, waiting for the criminal to decide to gain a bit more notoriety by shooting some more people rendered into the helpless fish in a barrel they are by nutjob leftists and supporters of gun control. The one and only place my wife is disarmed is when she is at work, teaching and being held responsposible for the protection of the children in her care, while the only truly effective tool she has to offer that protection has been stripped from her by those who relish the victim creation zones they have created. The left has turned our schools into shooting galleries for every nutjob who wants to see himself on TV, and who knows that he can cause untold havoc in any school in this nation without fear of facing a citizen witht he tools to actually defend themselves. Should my wife, an expert pistol and rifle shot, a woman trained by ex-federal law enforcement officers and SWAT team members in how and when to shoot or not shoot, ever face such a situation at work, she will fall defending her children with utter ineffectiveness, unarmed and defenseless, just another in a long list of names of victims of the American left and the gun control psychopaths. And while she dies, children and teachers in other classrooms will be "locked down," waiting their turn to be victims of a nutjob that could and should have been stopped by an armed citizen and the leftist gun controllers who empower such criminals.

Aw, him run away with he little tail between he legs.

Crap. Now I'll probably get sued for making him feel bad.

Don't trust the man. You can always tell a true politician; they will say anything, do anything, kiss anything to get elected. We have too many politicians now, what we need are Statesmen. People who are concerned about doing the peoples' business and not concerned about their own legacy or political future. No thanks, but nice try. He along with too many of the candidates on both sides have a history of saying one thing and doing another. If you fall for this lame attempt at pandering you will fall for just about anything.

jim,

SCOTUS taking Parker v. DC is news to me. Interesting. What's also interesting is that Washington DC is not a state. They are governed by the United States Legislature. As such, a SCOTUS ruling, procedurally, may only impact the D.C. circuit law. Sure, it will be HIGHLY influential on the other circuits across the country, but by no means must every state adopt the D.C. Circuit's ruling, or the Supreme Court's ruling.

In any event, there will be no ruling on State law since D.C. is not a state.

ALl of you folks that love to quot ethe 2nd Amendment should actually read the entire amendment. It says.... "Amendment II (the Second Amendment) of the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, declares "a well regulated militia" as "being necessary to the security of a free State", and prohibits Congress or any other government agency from infringement of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms." How many of you are part of a well regulated militia? My guess would hardly any.....the amendment simply doesn't give anyone the right to own a gun and if you read the entire amendment you would see that.

"MRC you still wearing thast tinfoil on your head? Remember that?????? There still listening......" Tinfoil ehh!? I seriously doubt that will help any against all the illegal wire tapping that's been going on with the current administration - which I'm sure Rudy would only be more than happy to continue. Seriously, don't you want your children or your children's children to have any rights left or are you content to sit back and let big government run everything they do.

Go Rudy Go! Let's kill ALL the Arabs. With all of our citizens (except arab ones) armed to the teeth, we should be able to do that!

Vote for the ONLY politician that cares about you or the constitution...Ron Paul in 2008!

Mundy01,

With all due respect, your thinking is exactly what is wrong with our elections. Because of people like you politicians don't need to be held to the standards they should. Whatever happened to electing the best person for the job? ...not the best financed by interest groups. I realize politics & the real world is dirty, but come on.

How did it come to pass that we allow the media and high profile talking heads to decide for us who are the front runners and who is electable ...even before the first candidate starts his/her campaign?

So many people know that after listening and researching all the candidates that Rudy, Fred, and Mitt are not the guys for the job. Yes, any of them would be better than socialist democrats running on the democrat / socialist ticket.

It's just a shame that we are so pliable... that we so easily accept the spoon fed premises from the very organizations that are taking the money from said front runners.

Ron Paul has the best track record, the best policy for tax paying citizens, the best integrity, and most straight talk than any of the so-called front runners. Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter are also better choices for those who are tax paying citizens.

The media favorites are big government globalists interested in global money...the same interests as the corporations that fund their campaigns and the same interests of the media companies that cover them and run their ads.

Mundy, I liken your thinking to this scenario:

Teacher: Would you and like carrots or spinach?
Kids: We would like corn?
Mom: There are two choices...carrots and spinach
Teacher: But there is corn over there and it is much better. Especially better than spinach.
Teacher: You don't want that corn. Ignore the corn. The only real choices are peas and carrots. If some of you vote for corn than you all might get stuck with spinach.
Kids: OK, Carrots.

Corn sits on table...nobody ever knowing how good it might have been.

The guy is a joke. Republicans are destroying America with their racism(immigration), and war mongering(Iraq). Let's kick them out once and for good!

So I should trust a politician who goes any old way the wind blows? No thank you. My right to own a firearm is protected by the Constitution, not by the political necessity of the moment. Guliani is not to be trusted.

Why should I trust anything that any of the candidates, Republican or Democrat, say about my Second Amendment rights? What would the press be saying if a candidate said the First Amendment was subject to interpretation and change according to the heat of the moment?

Anon,

It does not say Federal governmnet in Amendment II unless the copy of the USC in front of me is wrong. I did not read your post earlier. But I do find your logic intelligent and thoughtful. I am not really commneting on the article per se. I am commenting on the USC which was Ratiifed by the STATES not the central federal i.e. govt we have today. Which in my opinion is sad. Don't you think? I am a big fan of individual State rights. IF Florida want to ban something that is not guidlined by the USC it should be able to do so without a USSC court review. State supreme courts get matters of state consitutional law before the Federal SIRCUT lol.. courts do. But I belive in litteral reading of the documnet rather than wholesale interpretation.

Good thing Rudy "Evolves" instead of "Flip Flopping" like John Kerry.

This shows again why Republicans are intellectually superior to the Democrat party, because we are not hypocrites!

John Q - do you honestly believe the government had to make an amendment to the Constitution so that
they could arm their military forces and keep themselves from infringing on the military's right to keep and bear arms???? Really??????

Also, it says "the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms" not the right of "the militia".

i have owned longguns, shotguns and a handgun or two for over 55 years and enjoyed hunting and target use. however i never felt threatened over encroachment of my rights and nothing has changed in that respect.i have a gut feeling that most of these posters that have spoken out against the mayor's statemnts are anti republican and most likely never owned a firearm.it makes perfectly good sense, you'd be hard put to find a democrit pol.that favors gun ownership, their too much into collectivism rather than individualism.
UP THE NRA!

Rudy: If you are now a sincere 2nd Amendment convertee, you should immediately repeal the Sullivan Act which was established in 1911 to effectively disarm all but a "favored few" N.Y. City residents.

Umm...what are you paranoid people 'protecting' yourselves from? I am no expert, I beleive there are more accidental deaths, in the homes of 'responsible', law abiding gun owners, than perpetrators being stopped. The law is antiquated. Get over it and move on. OUTLAW ALL HANDGUNS!!!! They have one pupose, killing humans. I don't see how our forefathers intended this, especially given the fact that we no long need to protect ourselves from colonial impreialsist any longer (the real reason that law even exists).

Rudy is tuff on criminals and crime and of course that inclines one to want to keep weapons of mass desruction out of their hands.

AK 47s are weapons of mass destruction! No doubt about it.

And if a hunter or sportsmans wants to have one they shoud go through background checks.

The NRA should fear any "moderate" Democrat 3x as much as any "liberal" Republican when it comes to the right to bare arms.

jim, again...

14th is the lens, yes, but it does not making binding ALL the amendments. Years ago the supreme court was one vote shy of adopting the Total Incorporation Doctrine that would have made all provisions of the Bill of Rights binding upon the states. To this day, no majority has adopted Total Incorporation...only select provisions of the bill of rights are binding:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_incorporation

John Q, if you read the 2nd Amendment, and then read a history book, you might realize the "well-regulated militia" doesn't refer to the Natl. Guard...the militias from the Revolution were common people who came together to fight tyranny...farmers, merchants, blacksmiths,etc., not weekend warriors getting money for college..."A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Clint,

We "paranoid people" are protecting ourselves from corrupt leaders who do not listen to the will of the people (like George W. Bush), just as the framers of this country intended.

Rudy, save your breath and our time. You're no conservative. Vote for Ron Paul if you want someone who is consistent on this issue.

Funny how Rudy gets a "lovey dovey" call from his current wife, when NONE of his children will support his Presidential bid and when he cheated on both his ex wives.

Can you say "flip flopping hypocrite"?

walt; it's democrit's nest ,even an armed envasion wouldn't change their minds.

Some jearks just dont get it. Yes moveon has the freedom of speech but with that comes responsibility. You can not yell fire in a crowded movie theater. Gun ownership come with like responsibilities.

they aren't our "gun rights" they are our "civil rights" as individuals, and it was attorney general Thornberg who was Nixons attorney general that first decided they weren't individual rights.

The funny thing is that where guns are illegal, the criminals committing crimes are the only ones that have them...hmmm...

Some of you say the decision in '08 will be between Rudy (the mobster) and Hillary(the lesbian leftist). That is like asking whether you prefer to be bitten by a rattlesnake or a copperhead! Me? I am going to vote for Ron Paul, even if I have to write him in! I will vote for him on PRINCIPLE, whether he has a chance of being elected or not. That way I have the right to complain about the results IF either of these snakes get elected. That way when some of us stand up and revolt against the police state that will come with EITHER of the others, I can do so with a clear conscience that I did NOT vote for them. I would rather die on my feet than crawl on my knees!

MRC it is you.... You need to lighten up man. I was making a joke based on the past time we barbed. No ill intent.

Just let all the Muslim Is-lamo Fascist call back to east and tell them that mrc said it was ok to plan terrorist attacks against us and our children. We won't listen to their calls. If the wiretapping gets out of hand, we do have a constitutioal right to overthrow the govt. Maybe you can be the point man.OH wait the liberals don't want us to have guns. Seems like that is what you wan to do. We have to use our school protractors to poke their eyes out. Do you think the democrats are less intrusive in our lives? BE intellectually honest dude. Ansewer that seriously.

Jimmy,

Huh? How was MoveOn's ad anything like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater?!? No matter how stupid the ad might have been, it is protected under the first amendment. The bill of rights is not a buffet. We can't pick and choose the one we want. And it is irresponsible to use the "fire in a crowded theater" card whenever you don't agree with something.

FLIP-FLOP! Typical politician. Somebody should explain to Mr. Giuliani that the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is not "qualified" by "a reasonable degree of safety." (A concept which would obviously be open to interpretation and abuse.) It is assumed that our Rights under the Contitution are inherent in each and every citizen. Until we prove otherwise, we are ASSUMED to be "safe." Same thing with free speech, religious freedom, etc.

I'd like to see a nominee whose views don't have to conveniently "evolve" to jibe with the Constitution.

Yeah right Rudy still talking out of both sides of your mouth! Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety. Thanks for saying that it lets me know where not to vote. Also, MoveOn.org can say what they want its the first amendment or have we forgot about that. We may not agree or like it but that is the way it goes. Once you take the guns then goes the speech.

The only honest top tier candidate:

Ron Paul! Freedom!! Ron Paul! Freedom!! Ron Paul! Freedom!! Ron Paul! Freedom!!

Abbie Hoffman said, "Freedom of speech is the right to scream 'Theater' in a crowded fire."

Sam,

States ratified the constitution, yes. But, they ratified within the constitution the Commerce Clause, the Supremacy Clause, Full Faith and Credit Clause, etc. Those clauses are DIRECT imposition of Federal control on the states. As such, there is no such thing as purely indendent state. Federal constitution basically means (insert state) may do whatever it wants as long as the (whatever the state does) does not infringe on federal government authority. Not to mention that the federal government is free to ignore those instances when the states DO infringe on federal authority. Regardless, all states rights and obligations are secondary to the federal government unless specifically granted to the states within the text, or else textually silent and impliedly reserved by the states.

I'm not expressing any opinion as to which I agree. My purpose is to show what the truth IS, and that gun control in presidential politics is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS, and that this wedge issue has proponents/opponents barking up the wrong tree.

Rudy: You say "A person's home is their castle. They have the right to protect themselves in their own home."

And yet you support warrantless wiretapping and eavesdropping? Aren't those invasions into your home/ castle by the government.

You, the self proclaimed "Hero" of 9/11 do not make sense.

Remember the first and foremost reason the 2nd amendment was written was to protect citizens from the tyranny of government.

To the anonymous person, (who said our country will further deteriorate, if Giuliani 2.0 wins)

Why don't you try and be the Commander In Chief, and deal with all the worlds problems, and see how tuff and stressful it is to run a country.

If you don't know politics/history....keep your liberal opinions to yourself. A republican who cares.

Clint, you're right. You are no expert.

Wait. Soon we will see Rudy in hunting outfit. Ha-ha-ha. The way you treated gun owners in NYC may cost you an election, Mr Mayor.

"John Q, if you read the 2nd Amendment, and then read a history book, you might realize the "well-regulated militia" doesn't refer to the Natl. Guard...the militias from the Revolution were common people who came together to fight tyranny...farmers, merchants, blacksmiths,etc., not weekend warriors getting money for college..."A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

How many of us could muster with a proper rifle that could fire the standard cartridge of the US military? If the militia consists of able-bodied men who are armed with a rifle, then I guess we all know what that rifle should be. It's your right and duty as a citizen to own such a gun. Wait a minute, isn't that the very weapon that politicians from both parties are trying to ban?

Oh, and I'm just as liberal as they get, so darned liberal that I don't trust anyone to tell me what my rights are. I know my rights and won't concede what is mine to any prince or politician.

Violent crime is again increasing in most of our major cities, mostly run by the democrat machinery. They have become havens for illegal aliens and ghetto punks with guns. I try not to go into any major city, but when I do it is always with my Glock 26 and 2 extra clips.Thanks to Lyndon Johnson , the Great society democrat, I received extensive weapons training and combat training in the late 60's. I have a concealed carry permit, which means I am one of the few who can pass an FBI background check , when I venture into the hood. I find it laughable that libs get upset because I want the right to carry the same weapons that protect Hillary Clinton and Rosie Odonnel everyday, Difference being that I know which end the bullet comes out.

A returning American soldier comes home from killing Nazi's in WWII & asks his wife to ge get the Red Rider BB gun he bought for his son last X-Mas - he wants to teach his son marksmenship. The wife responds, "sorry it's illegal now to play with BB guns - they can put you in jail for that". The returning soldier than says, "OK - so get my dog, I'm going to the park to play fetch with him". The wife responds, "it's illegal now to play fetch with your dog at the park - they can put you in jail for that". Disturbed by this... the soldier then tells his wife he's going down to the corner tavern to have a beer & a smoke, but the wife quickly interupts, "it's now illegal to have a beer & a smoke in the bar - they can put you in jail for that". The angry soldier than says - "honey get my gun - while we were fighting the Nazi's, the Commie's must have took over the country!

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety," he said.

What sort of gibberish is that? I know he is capable of speaking clearly. It's disturbing that he is so evasive here.

Our right to bear arms is based on natural law and the Constitution.

Well I think I'll just go out and buy another case of ammo to celebrate. Prepare yourselves one and all for a very bleak looking future.

Typical! Free guns for everyone, free speech for no one! As the 3rd generation of my family to serve (my father served with Gen. Petreaus actually) I GUARANTEE you the General would say the reason he fights for America is so MoveOn can pose that Question (Seems conservatives need a lesson in punctuation, question mark is not a statement, look at the ad and then actually read it!)

Love that tired Constitutional rational for 300,000,000 guns in America. Wonder how it applies to today????

Text of the 2nd Amendment:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

So we have 50 State Militias???

Hey Tom P: I live in NC, and have the concealed carry permit. Carjackings dropped. As to the other crimes you said SHOULD have dropped -- a few points: maybe the victims were unarmed. Maybe the victims were known by the attackers as unarmed. MemoMachine: your right to keep and bear arms is not based on the constitution- the constitution merely promises to PROTECT that right of birth. Being alive is all that is required to have the rights to protect self by any means necessary from criminal attack. The 2nd amendment also points out our DUTY as citizens to be armed. With the most modern weapons each of us can afford. God damn the democrats- whether they pretend to be Americans or not.


Hey Mr. Rudy Sir, incase you don't know it you being an Ex-Prosecuting Attorney and all that, but the 2nd Admendment guarantees us the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

And, while I am on it, it really bothered me that under your tenure NYC became a Sanctuary City for Illegal Immigrants, and it also bothers me that your son and daughter are not closer, not to mention; you've been married 3 times and have a Trophy Wife, because a single Presidential Candidate won't have a chance.

And, while we are at it, Romney reminds me of a Used Car Salesman, and danggit, Fred just looks tired.

But, come Nov. 2008 I will hold my nose and vote Republican, not because I want to, but the alternative will be Hillary and Free Healthcare for all Americans, and coming back from Iraq with our tails between our legs.

[quote]
Giulaini explained the lawsuit he initiated in 2000 against gun manufacturers by saying that he was "excessive in everyway that I could think of in order to reduce crime" but said that "intervening events" like September 11th had caused his views to evolve.[/quote]

My primary concern is that if one experience could drive him to change his views TOWARD gun rights, what will be the next event to that will drive him AWAY from the 2nd Amendment?

Rudy states that it is the right of every American to defend their home, but what about defending ourselves when we are NOT at home. We don't get to defend ourselves then?

I think he's still leaving himself a major out here. Intentionally vague so that he can't really be held accountable for what he says if he changes his mind at a later date, IMO.

Thumbs down!!

Bigmarunga,

Your statements are simply not true. I highly recommend the book "Freakanomics" for an interesting perspective on abortion's role in the reduction of crime.

ANON,

Agreed to this argument because I made the same in my previous quotes i.e. State guidline. I just put it simply for others to understand. We are in the same boat on that these pres candidites saying promises that are not under thier authority. It was nice conversing with you. Now get MRC to because I leaving and he is babbling.lol Take care.

John Q:

Perhaps you should take some reading lessons. The Second Amendment reads:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Four parts

1. A well regulated Militia,
2. being necessary to the security of a free State,
3. the right of the people to keep and bear Arms,
4. shall not be infringed.

Part 1 is in reference to part 2. Part 3 is in reference to part 4.

This breaks it down to two clauses:

"A well regulated Militia is necessary for the security of a free State."

and

"The right of the people to keep and bear Arms SHALL NOT be infringed."

Rudy is a RINO.

The ONLY WAY that we are going to rid our party of RINOs is to sit on our hands if Rudy gets the nod. If it takes four years of Hitlary to shake up America and Americans, so be it. We deserve it.

Rudy is a social liberal NOT a Reagan Republican.

Sorry Rudy, I pass.

Skip asked: "How does one distinguish between sincere "evolution" of thinking and politically expedient flip-flopping?"

My answer: Watch what he does when he has power.

For me, gun rights is an overriding issue. Before Rudy can get my support for a presidential run, with his anti-gun track record, he must exercise power in a lower office in a way that shows he really believes in the right to keep and BEAR arms, understands the right, and actually promotes it.

Which means he can't get my support this election. He must go back to a farm team and work his way up.

(And while he's at it he needs to work on his border security position. The whole "War on Terror" is a joke when the barn door is open to the tune of a million or more infiltrators per year.)

At the moment my top pick is Ron Paul, and I might be convinced to support Tancredo. I have yet to be convinced that any of the others have what it takes on the gun issue.

Unless a major party candidate has a solid pro gun rights RECORD I'm perfectly willing to stay home and let the two devils fight it out without my support for either - or vote for a minor party candidate to show them there is a vote they COULD have had and how to go about getting it next time around.

Meanwhile, Ron Paul has a lot of grass roots support, contributions, and consistently wins "who won the debate" polls (including those that only accept one vote per phone number or IP address and thus can't be easily hacked by repeat voting). Let's see how he does in the primaries before declaring him unelectable.

Hey Frank,
I'm a gun dealer, and I drive around with a trunkload of fully automatic machine guns all the time! (Well, maybe not an entire trunkload). But I personally own several, and have several more for sale. And guess what? It's perfectly legal, you idiot! At least in my state and 34 others, anyway. Laws are not the problem. If you get drunk and kill someone while driving, can the family sue Chevrolet and the dealer who sold you your car? Learn what the hell you're talking about!

Next thing you know he'll be visiting black churches for Sunday Mass.

He is a good man who knows what rights and privileges the peoples should have and not have regardless of those given by God and enumerated in The Constitution.

Plus, he lisps and stutters like George Soros.

Fidel, Raul, and I highly endorse him!

While it is not an M-16, M-4, or AK-47, a rifle with a scope (be it a .243, .30-06, or .308) serves pretty well for precise shooting...I don't advocate violence in the slightest, I'm just sayingif you have to defend yourself, you don't need automatic weapons, just good aim

re: Thomas

Just what we need, a man driving around with a pickup truck filled with fully loaded machine guns who gets belligerent with a complete stranger on an internet posting.

Rudy Giuliani is the only candidate that has any chance of beating Hillary. A vote for anybody else will be a vote for her. If you don't know what that means you should look on the internet.
She is a deciple of George Soros. She is his A team, Obama is his B team.

More people have died in Ted Kennedy's car or Clinotn's staff than by my gun.

Hey, Liberals suck. Plain and simple. They have values closely aligned with communism. I sure hope a conservative gets into the White House. I fear for my safety and well being of this country if not. Obama has no experience and Hillary can't even control her husband, how does she think that she is going to control the free-world?

He will backtrack and stab the legal gun owners in the back. He is a politican, therefore he is a liar.

Flip Flop Rudy
Ron Paul is the right choice for America

Steve

JOHN Q.

Read "Armed America." The man who wrote it is a bonafide HISTORIAN and has plenty of material in his book showing how early colonial America called up its citizens and often PROVIDED guns and ammo for those who could not afford them. Then they were put into a militia and trained.

Citizen Soldiers, just everyday joes and janes.

To Mark Denton: The word state in the 2nd Amendment is misused by folks like you to try to justify treasonous thinking.
Security of a free state: means: safety of the condition known as freedom. Man is found in three states just as water is. Water's states are solid,liquid and vapor. No other condtions of water exist. Man's states are Free, Slave, and dead. Get it? The Militia is all the citizenry (now women are emancipated) from ages 18 to too old to fight in defense of self, city, state, nation. Now re-read the second amendment and try to comprehend how your disarmed state is treason before we find you.

Rudy was wishy-washy on the answers to even the simplest questions and refused to admit that his lawsuit was ill-founded. He repeatedly acknowledged his significant differences with the pro-gun lobby. He has not flip-flopped, he is just plain and simple anti-gun. He preached an anti-freedom message by pandering to supposed expectations of security. Then Ashcroft came on stage and blew him up by pointing out that security arises from freedoms and not vice-versa.

Ron Paul, of course, was not invited. I guess they didn't want people to notice that he stands head and shoulders above almost all of the other candidates. Although Huckabee's speech was outstanding and he and Bill Richardson (by videotape) gave strong performances.

Your right wing whackos are a hoot. It is OK if a republican flip flops, as long as now they profess to agree with your narrow minded view.

Some day the courts will drive home what is the bottom line truth: the constitution does not give you the unfettered right to own guns.

I have been a NRA member for 30 years.

If the NRA endorses Rudy I will resign my membership.

I doubt if I will have to follow through with that promise cause RICO Rudy's carefully crafted position on gun control is a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

Mark, I think the original idea was that all able-bodied men in a town would form a militia, be well trained with a chain of command, and would thusly be ready to defend their state should the governor deem it necessary...

Mike,
I don't drive a pick-up truck and they are never loaded in the car. Your stereotypes are way off, my friend. It just irritates me when people spout off about things they know nothing about.

Ahmed, however on Earth did you come across that little chunk of "truth"?

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to
1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves,
were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917,
1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945,
a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend
themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952,
20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves,
were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981,
100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979,
300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977,
one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th
Century because of gun control: 56 million. It has now been over
12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law
to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their
own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more
than $500 million.

The first year results are now in.

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now
up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned
them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns.

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the
past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is
unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and
assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain
how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and
money was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns.

The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians
spreading this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind
them of this history lesson. With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them,
we are 'subjects'.

During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because
they knew most Americans were armed.

Thomas,

Good post. Liberals like Frank are hoplophobic and act accordingly.

"I'm reading these liberal minded idiots and they're comments about gun control (not many on the subject itself) ....all they can focus on is George Bush ! THANK GOD FOR GB .....you mindless robots of the 'left' have little or no clue about what this country and the world are facing, because you are protected by people who lay their lifes on the line everyday for you. YOU DISGUST ME TO NO END!! IF YOU HATE AMERICA SO MUCH ...JUST LEAVE !!!"

First of all, 'liberal-minded' is hyphenated. Second of all, you conservatives are the mindless robots as well as a bunch of stubborn, scared pu$$ies. All you do is blindly follow authority (little reminder: this country was founded on the exact opposite of blindly following authority). You believe that Bush's policies protect us when, in fact, they have emboldened the terrorists and have turned the World against us. Bush's policies on terrorism only focus on the symptoms (stopping terrorists) and not the disease (giving the terrorists good reason to hate us). I would rather take my chances with the wako terrorists than loose my Constutional rights Amendment by Amendment. In fact I would rather die that see my country's Constutution torn apart by a bunch of oil hicks and mobsters that are claiming it's for our 'protection.' They can stick their bogus policies up their corrupt wazzoos! I'm a liberal-minded PATRIOT, a REAL PATRIOT that believes in acceptence and preservation of our Constitution...not that B.S. "Patriot Act." I also believe in the 2nd Amendment. Rudy is nobody to tell us that we're allowed to have a right to bear arms..we already know that...tell it to your New Yorkers who can't bear arms you hypocrite. Third of all, the soldiers are being used to fight and die for oil, not our freedom. You dumba$$e$ have caused this and won't even admit it. The soldiers (who would die for our freedom) are being misused by Bush to make he and his friends richer. Half of them know it and the other half deny it. Why do you think there have been so many suicides among our military personnel in Iraq. (Hint: it's not because it's tough over there--that's what they signed-up for--it's because they're not a bunch of dumba$$e$ like the people who believe that the soldiers are actually protecting our freedom here by being on the other side of the globe, and they know that, other than helping a few Iraqis, their presence in Iraq is absolutely meaningless--other than for the profits of Bush, Halliburton, Blackwater USA, and all the contractors who are raping our economy. Wkae up you fools!!!

One other question: Are Republicans allowed to have views that "evolved?"

I thought they had to be created as whackos.

Sorry, can't vote for pro-choice baby-murder, Rudy, or Gays forcing their sickness onto society.

The lie berals political correctness is pure b.s., and needs to be crushed in order to bring this nation back to the moral foundation it was built on.

Mitt's the man to do it!

Damn, I wish Condi rice would run for President!

Matt J!

You said:

Hey everyone,
Wake up ! Snap out of it ! It doesn't matter if their Democrats or Republicans anymore, they are all (but approximately 1%), liars and thieves.
They lie to us and rob us (on a grand scale) every day ! Day after day, week after week, year after year...etc...
They use these kind of sound bites for effect, they shepherd us back and forth, round and round chasing our tails ! They are pretty much all liars and corrupt robber-barrons. We just keep getting distrateced and tricked like little kids day after day...and keep electing them !
Look around you ! Our country is sinking because the lying, corrupt robbers who-we-keep-electing are selling it off (and selling us out), as we argue amongst ourselves this very minute.
Time to get off our rear ends and time to really pull together !
WAKE UP !

Ahmed N. Dengeris, you are an ASSHAT.

Read the CONstitution mook before you open your ass and speak.

ALL the candidates LEFT right or in-between will say ANY to get elected, Its NOT a right or left thing.
THE people that pay their bills and give them the MONEY to try and get elected drive them to what they will SAY and DO.

The problem today is there is NOT a leader amoung them. NONE have the guts to be a leader and speak there mind on any subject.

The biggest problem of all is extremist groups on the left and right like Moveon.org with there extremist views and agenda's polluting the mindless people and GUTLESS polititians with there attacks on anyone that doesn't have there views.

The 2nd amendment was brought forth for just such extremist groups, to keep them out of power and to keep the goverment in line as much as it is for the personal protection of the individual.

This country was formed by ARMED people , go and read the the start of the Declaration of the 13 United States of America.

Those were LEADERS and NOT the spineless power hungry sheep that are polititians today.

Where's Ronald Regan, John Kennedy or better yet Teddy Roosevelt when you need them, they were leaders.

Which is worse----Rudy who flip flops on gun control or Hilary who will neverchange her anti gun position?

Unless we are stupid enough to nominate Rudy, we'll never have to make that choice. How about we nominate somebody who is not a liberal Democrat in all but name?

I can very easily see a President Giuliani signing an "assault weapons" ban.

Thomas,

I apologize. I misread "trunkload" as truck load. But my point is, gun control is a wedge-issue. Gun ownership is a protected right; however, reasonable regulations are acceptable and necessary. Those who totally oppose guns are dangerously naive about the potential for a tyrannical gov't. Those who want to own bazookas scare me.

Too bad this friendly group couldn't all be sitting around a large room together to enjoy each others company and work towards resolving their differences. I mean everyone is for peace, right?

All of you one issue voters are going to give Hillary and Bill a free ride to the white house. The base of this party is killing us. Rudy is the only person that beats Hillary in the polls. Be very careful being a one issue voter. Whether we are talking abortion, gun control or border enforcement you one issue types are narrow minded. Look at people as a whole, vote for the one that meets most of your requirements and can beat Hillary, that person is Rudy. He is the only one to beat Hillary in 2008. WAKE UP!

Rudy IS a Fascist. I don't say this lightly. Look up the definition. He will remove any freedoms he views as in the way of law enforcement. He is a corporate shill. He is a racist - look at what police DID to reduce NY crime - and his wife was fired for anti-semitism. He wraps himself in a flag and false nationalism based on 911 just the way Hitler came to power after the burning of the Riechstadt. If Rudy wins - hang onto those guns because you will need them when his jackboots come for you.

Wow, so Rudy only came to this revolution after he decided he wanted to be a Republican President? Gee, that's not overly convenient.

The only candidate standing up for gun rights, sealing our border with Mexico, deporting illegal aliens, abolishing the IRS, and all the other great things that Rudy would never truly do is Ron Paul. If you haven't seen his positions yet and how he represents the last chance to save America then visit his website to learn more.

Ahmed N. Dengeris, your daddy should have rolled over and shot you out the window.

"Wkae up you fools!!!"--lol!!! Whoops! Well...I'm sure you people probably couldn't tell the difference between 'wkae' and 'wake' anyway.

Rudy....Our right to bear arms..."SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!!"

You're still a gun grabber. Reasonable safety indeed. Who gets to decide what is and isn't reasonable??? YOU!!!

Here's a thought...quit bickering over left vs. right BS, realize that's just meant to polarize us and vote for the only person that votes constitutionally-minded EVERY time he votes...Ron Paul!!! We need change, not more arguing...that's what got us where we are today!

A man who will stand upon an altar at a church he has chosen and swear an oath of marriage to God and to those present that he will remain monogomous, and then breaks that oath, not once, but SEVERAL times demonstrates not only that he is a patholgoical liar, but that he holds NOTHING sacred.
He was a liar before and he is a liar now.

`same `ol B.S., yawn.
Wake up folks ! It doesn't matter if they are Republicans or Democrats, they are lying to us and robbing us blind while they sell off our (OUR), nation piece by peice.
They tax us, lie to us and spend our money like we our not in debt for generations to come.
Time to set aside our differences and start pulling together. Aren't you tired of being divided and conquered yet ? We keep voting for these lying, robbing, corrupt pukes election after election.
Are we going to keep proving them right in their assumptions that we are all idiots ?
I'm WAY sick of it ! Unite and make them start representing us again !

Do any of you realize that the Second has the phrase 'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.'

Maybe you should all read the whole phrase before you demand your rights be protected, because I don't think the Framers were thinking that 'street sweepers' were in the interest of public safety. So unless you're patrolling the streets for invaders, then you don't need the guns.

Mike,
No worries. I agree that reasonable regulations are needed. That's why I am a licensed dealer, and gun owners don't have a problem with background checks. But once we're checked out as OK, people should BUTT OUT of what we own, bazookas included. And personally, I kind of like that I scare you a little. Ha-Ha

Way to go Rudy! The Clintons are corrupt narcissistic politicians who empowered China militarily, while weakening America's values and releasing criminals and terrorists from prisons. Rudy on the other hand, neutralized the mob in NYC, and showed true courage and leadership during 9-11. Rudy will be the next president!

Why is anyone who thinks Bush is a horrible president (who only pretends to be a conservative) liberal-minded? I am a true conservative; Bush is not. Those who choose to go down with the ship are loyal to GWB, not to conservatism. These are the people who are more concerned about getting rid of gays then they are about getting rid of the IRS.

"One other question: Are Republicans allowed to have views that "evolved?"

I thought they had to be created as whackos."

HA-HA-HA!!!!! Awesome brother!!! That's the best I've seen in a long time.

A + B = "militias need people to bear arms for the state"

this makes sense except why did 'well-regulated' get dropped again?

Thomas,

Maybe my stereotypes weren't that off after all? :-)

Just joking.

To all you folks who believe that Giuliani "got religion" about protecting your right to own guns: I have some ocean-front property for sale in Arizona. Cheap.

N-NR, if we give up our RIGHT to own guns, what's to stop the govt. from sweeping the streets looking forus? Baseballbats with nails in them? Do you think the govt. will ever give up their guns?

RON PAUL is NOT the man either Ron Paul Bots.

He's also very isolationist and a fringe kook as well.

Starving Actor,

The 2nd amendment uses "State" with a capital S. The framers of the constitution debated the document and its amendments because of philosophical differences over a State's right(s) v. a Federal Government's right(s). The Constitution is the embodiment of the founders' compromises. I agree that all people are subject to the "free state" that you refer, but that is NOT what the 2nd amendment refers to.

Context!

The entire constitution determines what the federal government can/cannot do. If the federal government specifically cannot do something, then the States are free to rule or pass on the issue. If the constitution is silent on a particular issue, the states are free to rule or pass on the issue unless the courts say they went to far. Too say the 2nd amendment refers to a "free state" of all people is an exaggerated interpretation.

I wish people could understand the 2nd Amendment and quit spouting misguided "feel good" comments concerning self defense, hunting, safety and the national guard.

The 2nd Amendment exists to protect all the others. Read a history book people. The first thing to go on a march to corruption, dictatorship and genocide is ALWAYS individual gun rights. It is even more important today than it was when it was written.

The founders didn't want standing armies, and the definition of militia is "all able bodied men", not Federal Agents and the US Army. The militia is there to protect the people from these Federal Agents and US Army. IT IS OUR ARM OF THE CHECKS AND BALANCES PEOPLE!!!

I find it astounding that the same people who cry foul about the Patriot Act are typically the first ones in line to ban guns. If we had no guns, what is to stop the govt. from doing whatever the hell they want? It could get a lot worse than the Patriot Act.

If we could magically remove 250+ million firearms from the country, like we have successfully eliminated all illicit drugs (wink), we would have a police state before you could blink.

> Ron Paul is NO LEADER!
Posted by Madge Owens

Huh? And you are a sheep who can't think for themselves and needs someone to lead them around by the nose.

Turncoat. Dont trust him, but he's gotta be a better choice the Hillary Inc.

Why are we always choosing between the lesser of two evils?

Ron
Washington

Hey N-NR,
I won't tell you what magazines or style of birkenstocks you can wear, and you don't tell me what kind of weapons YOU THINK I need. You don't get to decide.

People don't just have a *right* to self-defense, it is an *obligation*. And not just in their homes, but *everywhere*. The Second Amendment was written and passed because it is important that we have an armed citizenry that is competent in using their weapons in order to insure the preservation of all of our rights. Our government works for us - not the other way around - that is the reason people working in the government are called "civil servants" - despite what they may think. People in the government are not in charge here. Laws are to serve the common good of the people in exercising their liberty and God-given rights. When government oversteps its bounds it is the duty of the citizens (i.e. the real adults here) to fix it.

Hey people, let's be a little more open-minded about Rudy's stances and remember that he was a Republican in a state that voted in Hillary Clinton and Charles Schumer as their representative. Do you really think a Conservative would flourish in a bastion for "progressive" thinkers?

Does anyone believe that maybe, just maybe, he was more Conservative than what he portrayed because he needed to be elected. > Didn't Al Gore's voting record appear more centrist than his message once he was VP and didn't Joe Lieberman change his stances on abortion and national defense when he was running for office?

And if anything, you have to lend more credibility to Rudy because he was THERE when 3,000 of OUR PEOPLE were murdered in the most evil manner. Gun control laws? Yeah, people should qualify at ranges every month just like cops.

"Gun control means never having to say you missed."

where oh where can we find a politician who defends both the 2nd amendment AND the 1st amendment ?!? "sanctions" for someone expressing their opinion in the public square ?! there's nothing more un-american than that. shame on guiliani, the senate, and anyone who thinks that is a proper response to an ad in a newspaper. why are so many so willing to give up the very freedoms that we are supposedly fighting to defend ?

Mike,

You should SEE the arsenal I have at home! I have enough guns, ammo, and reloading supplies to equip a fire team (13) in the field!

Read the Constitution: only those who would be eligible to be part of the "well-regulated militia" are the "people" who have "the right to keep and bear arms." This excludes criminals, the insane, the mentally retarded, or minors. "Arms" are weapons that an ordinary citizen would be expected to own: a rifle, shotgun or handgun, not an RPG, a machine gun, or artillery piece. These are under the control of Congress.

Apparently, George Washington was an isolationist too when in his farewell address he said to stay away from permanent alliances with foreign countries...I guess that makes him a fringe kook too, huh?

You know it takes a gentleman like Ron Paul to really show what total pieces of shit the other candidates really are. Rudy feels that he or a fellow neo-con must win the election no matter how they accomplish this feat. Barring that he will probably spend the rest of his life in prison for his participation in 9-11.

Is this a 'flip-flop'. Why, no! It's a ... a ... a ... 'Evolution'! Yeah, that's the ticket!

Guns don't kill people. Bullets kill people.

JohnQ
You are an idiot!!

Those who want no Guns, have never shot one nor have they ever held, cleaned, used a gun (rifle or hand pistol) for anything.

Those whom have a gun legally, understand the responsibility of ownership.

From the City/Town to the County/Municipality to the State to the Nation is how the gun laws are handed down, not the other way around.

Those who have never owned a gun or fired one should not tell me how I should run my life or how to protect myself. You may be the next moonbat who says the infamous words ... "Dude, DON'T TASE ME!" If you get in my face.

AnnoyedGunOwner

C,
Too bad we can't post pictures, eh?
That would make their liberal heads explode!
Ha-Ha

Another thing to consider, "arms" are understood to mean (and interpreted by the Supreme Court) to mean those weapons carried by a combat soldier.

This means fully automatic hand-held weapons, not deer rifles.

Read the history of U.S. vs. Miller, 1939. Read the WHOLE story, the fact that Miller was already DEAD and un-represented in the court, yet the ruling was still evident that the 2nd is an individual right. There are still MANY problems with the ruling based on the way the court proceeded without representation for a dead man.

Had Miller been represented by a half-way competent lawyer, we'd all have belt fed machine guns to this day.

As a Conservative with a BRAIN I will Never vote for Rudy or any other Rino. Better an out and out Communist like Hillary than another phoney, lying, treasonous POS. Where's the fence?

Laurent, a citizen can OWN a machine gun IF they pay a special TAX and register it. I own several...for home defense of course.

EX: NOLA after Katrina.

The reason this gov't doesn't listen to us is because they do not fear us. The gov't's of England, France, etc... know what happens when they don't do the people's will. We never had a true revolution in this country (just a war of independence). The gov't needs to fear the people. We are already too consumed with watching television and fighting amongst ourselves to keep the gov't in check. Take away our guns, and any sense of opposition will be totally lost.

Conan,

The problem is that they are not new production. We should be able to buy new, domestic or imported, F/A weapons, and we would be able to if Miller was handled correctly.

Thomas,

Indeed. You would not BELIEVE the base of fire I can lay down with my M-14! And up close, my Sten Mk IV is lethal.

Nice flip flop Rudy.....whadda hypocrite

Rudy...Ron.... Fred... Bush.... keep on bickering ...ARE ALL of you so stupid as to not realize that if Hillary is Prez...you won't HAVE ANY GUN RIGHTS..she will appoint two Supreme Court Justices and you can defend yourself with a water pistol and eat MoveOn Crunches for breakfast !!!!

Rudy? Fred? Mitt? . . . George?
They're all just political clones telling us what they think we want to hear. I don't believe the Mayor's conversion anymore than I believe the government really wants to help me.

We had all better wake up, there is only one person who uses the Constitution as the basis for his beliefs and decisions and that man is Senator Ron Paul. Let the Mayor go back to his consulting business and let a true American patriot manage this country.

Ron Paul - the ONLY hope for America
http://www.ronpaulpresident2008.com/

Mike,

Agreed. With the Congcritter's approval rate at 11% and sliding, it won't be long now.

Stock up on guns, ammo, food, and water purification tabs.

Yes, I'd like a FN minimi, please. No No, the belt-fed, not the M-16, I already have two of those. Oh, and also give me a cherry slurpee, a quick-pick powerball ticket, and a pack of lucky's. Thanks.

Just to make a point, my dad taught me gun safety when I was 5, I've been shooting them (accurately) long enough to know what not to do, I've had plenty of training using military weapons (in the military), and am not a danger to anyone but those who represent themselves as an enemy to the Constitution (foreign or domestic), I passed the background check to get my Yugo SKS, so why should I not be allowed to own a weapon? Because those with no experience think everyone has the same skill level as them when it comes to guns?

I believe if I read my history correctly, that the second amendment was designed so our country could not be easily over-run by whatever enemy we face at any given time.
Face it, the more citizens with guns the more resistance the enemy can expect.
I personally like the law that some places in our country have adopted, "Every household will have a firearm and at least one person that knows how to use it."
I have read that those places saw a significant drop in crime.
I also had occasion to ask a guy who had an extensive criminal history, what it was he feared most when he was breaking in to a house.
He said " That the owner of the home was there and had a gun."
That really said something to me about gun rights.
The mayor will not be getting my vote!

Mandy..

Ron Paul the conspiracy theorist, who said that he believed that the US Gov was part of 9/11 and that is was a way to start a war at a political debate... will NEVER get my vote. Keep listening to Coast to Coast while I polish my new AR-14.

AnnoyedGunOwner

Only when Rudy reconsiders his borders policy and openly opposes will he have a chance of getting my vote.

RUDY HATES ABORTION,HE SAID,PLEASE DON'T KILL THE BABY. PUT IT UP FOR ADOPTION.THAT'S HIS SOLUTION.
GUNS: ENFORCE THE LAWS ON THE BOOKS PERIOD. NO MORE NEW LAWS.ENFORCE BY THE CONSTITUTION. PERIOD...
GAY MARRIAGE.. PUT ON THE BALLOT. LET THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE DECIDE. NOT A PRESIDENT,NOT CONGRESS,
NOT THE STATE.THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE WILL DECIDE...
ALSO, WE ARE NOT ELECTING HIS WIFE OR HIS KIDS.
LEAVE THEM OUT OF THE PICTURE..HE IS THE ONLY CAMPAIGNER THAT HAS THE BALLS TO HANDLE THOSE KILLER
MUSLIM ISLAMIST FASCIST...PERIOD......

Giuliani said that MoveOn.org's ad criticizing Gen. Petreaus was out of bounds and hinted that the group should face some sort of sanction."

Oh, so criticizing people should be regulated or made illegal? Would this only apply to "special" people like Gen. Petreaus and Rudy Giuliani or would everyone have the "right" not to be criticized? Hello, Fascism, thy name is Giuliani.

Remember, Rudy was the one that said "...freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do."
(http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A01E2D9173CF933A15750C0A962958260)

Yeah, that's just the sort of attitude we want in a President...

Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate...or any candidate who has a consistent conservative, Constitutionally based position on ALL topics. He is the only true Leader in the race.

Ron Paul 2008.

im glad that your stand on gun control has turned a little bit to a more constitutional view, but gun ownership and self defense are neccessary EVERYWHERE i go, not just in my home.
please realize that it's the criminals that carry out crimes, and they dont follow laws anyway, so please... allow us honest citizens to protect ourselves EVERYWHERE.
thank you.

Mr.Mayor-go away and take your double talk with you.. It is clear you will not uphold the 2nd amendment by your actions.. Hate to say it but "Ron Paul" may be our only hope..
Gus Hoefling

C,
I'm currently building an AR45, just waiting on my BATFE form 1 approval to register as a short barreled rifle. Can't wait to put in my registered drop-in auto sear to make it full auto. (You know I'd normally just say SBR and RDIAS, but I want the libs to know exactly what we're talking about.) Ha-Ha.

Rudy hasn't come to his senses. He's just trying to calculate the minimum amount of crumbs he can throw gun owners that get them to avoid sitting out the election. Typical politician, do anything that you think will get you power and once you have it do what you please.

Another vote for Ron Paul here, keep them coming.

AnnoyedGunOwner

Dr. Paul is not a conspiracy theorist and has never stated that the US Gov was part of 9/11. Comments like yours are an overt attempt to poison the minds of the people that do not know the truth.

Ron Paul has my vote, even if I'm the only one to do so.

For those of you who say he hasn't a chance, and that we should vote for the lesser of two bad choices, without seeing beyond them, then it's YOUR blind fault that will lead to failure.

Rudy has no love for this country, only for the spotlight. His true colors are faded from the lights.

John, there is no need for the people at Moveon to apologize for the ad, they were practicing free speech which is their right under the first amendment whether you agree with them or not. The position that the military protects our freedom of speech, and therefor no one has a right to criticize a military official, is non sensical. Giuliani strikes me as being authoritarian and the idea of him being installed in the White House scares me. I support the only candidate on either side who has demonstrated consistent adherence to the constitution, Ron Paul.

EVERYONE SETTLE DOWN !
Stop acting like little kids who can be tricked day after day. Look at yourselves. Your absolutely useless because you are so readily divided and conquered.
Republicans and Democrats have been lying to us and robbing us for a long time now...PERIOD.
I say it's time to grow up, set aside our differences and pull together.
We need to wrestle the power away from these pukes and get it back to the people. We NEED to save whats left of our country ! WAKE UP !

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety" - Rudy Giuliani:What kind of limp wristed, wet blanket statement of support is this? Only a complete idiot would believe an anti-gun nut politician who claims to support the Second Amendment Rights of the people before an election. The only believable thing about Rudy is his record on guns when he had the power to do the right thing about Second Amendment rights as Mayor of New York. He did nothing to restore gun rights in New York and publically stated that the Second Amendment is merely the government giving itself permission to arm itself and does not apply to individual citizens clearly as all the other Amendments in the Bill of Rights do. Again only an idiot would believe such clap trap. The Second Amendment is the government's acknowledgement that an individual citizen's right to self-defense pre-exists government and that right is not to be superceded (legitimately) by government ever. Rudy's credibility is as valid as a three dollar bill.

Annoyed, don't rely on Fox forall your news...he said the govt.'s actions over the past 30 years were factors resulting in 9/11, as stated by the 9/11 Commission themselves...fact of the matter isthat the "Republicans" are just as likely as the "Democrats" to take away that shiny AR-14 you're polishing...

I don't care if the government takes away my AR-14's. But they aren't getting my AR-15's !!!

Mr. Flip-flopper, thank you for showing that you will say or do anything to get elected.

Makes you wonder if his views on evolution will evolve?

Our field of candidates is horrible. Ron Paul comes closest to my traditional conservative beliefs, but he is a little too crazy (in a Ross Perot kind of way) for me. I might be sitting this election out. I lived under Rudy reign in NYC. He was tough on crime, but he definitely has Fascist tendencies. He is not someone we want leading the country. I do not for one second believe his "evolution" on gun rights. I like Thompson's "hands-off" approach to gov't, but there is just something about the man that rubs me the wrong way. I honestly think the current administration has destroyed the republican party. We need an outsider libertarian.

Anyone who is stupid enough to fall for this clown's antics is too stupid to be allowed anywhere near a ballot box.

I am an active member of the NRA.

However, if this fascist twit (I am a life-long resident of NYC [Brooklyn], and I know all too well what Giuliani is all about), gets an endorsement from the NRA, I will cancel my membership immediately, and go and join the GOA (Gun Owners of America association).

The ONLY candidate any freedom lover/Bill of Rights lover/Gun rights supporter should be looking at is Ron Paul!!!

All the others, McCain, Guiliani, Thompson, blah... blah... blah... they are all a joke!

Ron Paul is the ONLY CONSTITUTIONALIST anyone ought to be voting for!!!

It's time for all of us to put up, or shut up!!!!

Enough of the BS!!!

Raymond F. Dillon
Brooklyn, NY
rfd2003@hotmail.com
http://oldrightpaleoconservativesunited.blogspot.com/

Rudy is the only candidate in both parties who is a LEADER.

Doug, if you sit this election out, you're only perpetuating the problem...if you're looking for an outsider libertarian, go look up what Ron Paul ran for prez in 1988 as...

You are as two faced as any politician that has ever run for public office.

Tell the masses what you think they want to hear and then go do what you want to after election.

What a hypocrite. A wolf in sheep’s clothing.

I trust this one like the one’s in office now.

Carl Sanders

His position hasn't changed. Note that he said, "your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety" and that "a person's home is their castle. They have the right to protect themselves in their own home."

These statements were both crafted very specifically. First, my right to bear arms is NOT based on a "reasonable degree of safety." It is a right, not a privilege granted by the gubmint, and it is antecedent to the gubmint. Second, my right to arms also includes the right, again not a privilege, to bear (read carry) arms that is not limited to my "castle."

This guy's a snake oil salesman and I will not support him under any circumstances.


Some day the courts will drive home what is the bottom line truth: the constitution does not give you the unfettered right to own guns.

Posted by Ahmed N. Dengeris | September 21, 2007 2:40 PM ----


Ahmed, Ahmed my friend, obviously you are not from this country and do not understand the long standing battle we have had with our Legislators over this very Admendment.

I promise you my Friend, We The People of America have the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. You are probably being fooled by the Local State Cities getting enuf Liberals running them to pass some gun-control legislation, but mosy on down here to fly-over-country where the average Family owns 6 -10 weapons can hit a Mule Deer at 400 yards, and the Gummint ain't got the balls to come down here and start something they can't finish. Besides, just like my Daddy the only way the Liberal Communists are gona take my guns is from my cold dead fingers.
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Raymond,
Why aren't you already a member of GOA? It's a great org. You don't have to choose one or the other.

Any idiot republican who does not vote for Giuliani helps elect Hilary Clinton. Think before you jump off that bridge!

WE NEED TO PULL TOGETHER.
LET ME KNOW WHEN YOUR READY TO LISTEN.
Yap, yap, YAP ! Back and forth, round and round...PATHETIC.
We have an opportunity here.

AnnoyedGunOwner:

Way to not listen to what Ron Paul said. Ron Paul blames 9/11 on Osama bin Laden and the 19 highjackers. He DOES NOT believe the U.S. planned and/or carried out the highjackings/crashings.

He said that our policy is part of the reason it occurred. He didn't blame you, me, or America. It was the policy he blames as being a proximate cause to the events that lead up to the highjackings on 9/11.

Read some of his own papers, instead of getting all your information about him from Fox News.

It's a Ron Paul REVOLUTION that is long overdue

give me liberty and Ken,

I assume you don't watch the debates? Actually it was one of the very first ones he attended, where he actually did say that. And besides the fact he HAS been on Coast to Coast (yes that is truely a conservative radio listening experience for the lefty moonbats who believe in ET's) over 5 times... hmmm.

So explain to me why a person who supposedly would like a chance at becoming President or just taken seriously would go on such a "interesting" radio program? BTW check the YouTube "Ron Paul, 9/11 conspiracy" there are about 200 video's to watch.

Actually I am neither a republican nor a democrat... calling me a republican or a democrat just proves how ignorant you are of other people and what they believe and stand for. And it isn't my problem that I am female and you are scared that I own weapons of any sort. May want to stay out of my way, you may be the next "tasing"!

AnnoyedGunOwner

Come on guys, do you expect any politician's views to fit you like a glove? Are you really going to vote for another Clinton vs Rudy? You think Hillary will protect your right to own a gun? Will Hillary support our military and national defense? Will Hillary nominate Federal judges who respect our constitution? Give me a break. Hillary will be 10 times worse than any Republican candidate.

"I believe that law endforcement should focus on enforcing the laws that exist on the books as opposed to passing new extensions of laws," he said. "A person's home is their castle. They have the right to protect themselves in their own home."

Unless of course you live in California and do not water your lawn.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/19/lawn.dispute.ap/index.html

Rudy you are full of crap and you look like it- even in drag!

Ron Paul is a twit who will never be elected. Any so-called republican who votes for him just throws his vote away and is a MORON. Keep it up and your wives and daughters will be wearing burkas and become rape victims.

Nick,

Rudy does not deserve the "9/11 hero" leadership qualities attributed to him. I live in NY, and was in Manhattan the day we were attacked. Rudy went into hiding and gave us "updates" from an undisclosed bunker. Aside from all the grave mistakes he made associated with the NYPD and FDNY, this is the man who put the terrorism response center in the WTC after the towers were attacked in the 1990s. He's milking the tragedy of 9/11 for what it's worth, and he honestly did not do anything extraordinary. He was out of office 4 months after the attacks. Our current mayor, Mike Bloomberg did more to help the city recover. Don't believe the Rudy hype.

Maybe if we gave all Iraqis guns it would be as peaceful there as it is here. Maybe even as harmonius as this blog. Some US gun show entrepreneur should get over there and start selling! They might even get under the 25,000 deaths from guns we have in this country.

I think Rudy would be a great choice....


...to be Fred Thompson's Attorney General or Sec. of Homeland Security.

Dear Rudy,

The second ammendment doesnt just give us the right to protect ourselves in our castle, it gives us the very duty to take back our country from a tyrannical government. Its not about the right to protect ourselves in our homes. Its about the very duty as an american to have the means to take back our government and being able to protect ourselves from it and taking it back when it turns against the very citizens that put it there in the first place. You're a wolf in sheeps clothing and your very actions speak to that sir.

MAY I REMIND EVERYONE THAT ALTHOUGH THERE IS INCREASING VIOLENCE COMMITTED WITH GUNS , THE GUNS UTILIZED ARE ILLEGALLY SOLD AND USED. I BELIEVE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE RATIO OF PEOPLE WHO COMMIT THESE ACTS VS THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH THE EXTENSIVE PROCESS OF GETTING A LICENSE TO CARRY A GUN LEGALLY, YOU WILL SEE THAT THE PERSONS WITH THE PERMIT ACTUALLY HAVE MORE RESPONSIBILITY AND WOULD NOT RISK USING THEIR WEAPON UNLESS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. A GUN IS A OBJECT AND CANNOT HURT ANYONE UNLESS THAT PERSON PULLS THE TRIGGER. IT IS THE PEOPLE WITH FELONIOUS INTENT WHO ARE THE PROBLEM, NOT THE PERSON OF GOOD MORAL CHARACTER.

Giuliani would use 9/11 to sell used cars if it would benefit him.

"The Second Amendment is not about hunting deer or keeping a pistol in your nightstand. It is not about protecting oneself against common criminals. It is about preventing tyranny."

Ron Paul (April 21, 2003)

Ron Paul is the ONLY 100% pro-2nd Amendment candidate running.

Here's what he had to say over eight years ago on the Second Amendment:

"[O]ur founding fathers envisioned a well-armed populace as the ultimate check on government tyranny. If some future legislators and presidents had designs on limiting our divinely endowed liberties, our founders believed the Second would hold such impulses in check."

Here's what he said seven years ago:

"I realize why the gun grabbers are never called onto the carpet in such a way. Simply, those who refuse to stand up for constitutional rights like to say they are compromising, but the fact is they are cowering. It is one thing to be a coward with one's own life, but it is entirely immoral to run in fear when it comes to defending the constitutional rights we are sworn to uphold."

If Ron Paul cannot be elected it is because of at least one of two things. Number one too many people too stupid to vote for the right man for the job who has a long and clear track record of following our Constitution. Clearly many people can't handle that kind of integrity. Possibility two is that he won't be elected do do massive voter fraud as perpetrated by the people who want you to beleive that no one but either a Republican or Democrat can be elected and have provided voting computers instead of paper ballots to make sure that is the case since it makes the stealing of an election as easy as getting money out of your ATM.

Funny how I never read stories about people punching each other out. I only read stories about people being shot by guns, legal or illegal!

Annoyed, in all honesty, I watch what I can of the debates, but I watch everything I can about Ron Paul, and not once have I seen him say our govt. was involved in 9/11, he's got more sense than that, in fact, when asked if he believes the govt. was responsible for the attacks, he reaffirmed what he said about our policies in the Mid-East...besides, I'd trust C2C before I'd trust Fox, or any other corporate MSM outlet...as far as being afraid of you and your guns, unless you know my neck of the woods and combat techniques better than me, trust me, I'm not afraid...I know plenty of ways to tell you're near me before I ever see you...and I don't need a gun to be tough, even though I own plenty...go be annoyed somewhere else

The second ammendment is about taking back your country from a tyrannical government. Not about having the right to hunt or keep safe in your home. Rudy you're not fit to hold an american public office. You're an opportunist not a servant of the people.

Hey Constitutionalist! What militia do you and your guns belong to? Why is it that the second amendment is never quoted in its entirety?