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Giuliani Claims An Evolution On Gun Rights

21 Sep 2007 11:46 am

Glossing over the less appealing line items on his gun control resume, ex-NYC mayor Rudy Giuliani presented himself as sympathetic to the aims of the National Rifle Association and pledged, as president, to protect gun rights.

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety," he said.

He indicated that he would oppose new efforts to tighten national gun laws.

"I believe that law endforcement should focus on enforcing the laws that exist on the books as opposed to passing new extensions of laws," he said. "A person's home is their castle. They have the right to protect themselves in their own home."

Giulaini explained the lawsuit he initiated in 2000 against gun manufacturers by saying that he was "excessive in everyway that I could think of in order to reduce crime" but said that "intervening events" like September 11th had caused his views to evolve. "I think that lawsuit has gone in the direction that I don't agree with."

He cited a DC court ruling overturning the city's gun ban as instrumental to changing and "strengthening" his views on gun control. That ruling, Parker vs. the Distict of Columbia, was handed down just as Giuliani was beginning his presidential bid.

Giuliani said that MoveOn.org's ad criticizing Gen. Petreaus was out of bounds and hinted that the group should face some sort of sanction.

"They passed a line that we should not allow an American political organization to pass," he said. "We are at war right now, whether some people want to recognize it or not."

A humanizing moment: Giuliani's wife, Judith, called his cell phone, and the two proceeded to have a lovey-dovey chat. "Good bye, sweetheart, I love you," he said.

Comments (693)

Dear Mr. Mayor,
Thank you for coming to your senses. Guns in the hands of criminals causes crime, not guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. Any and all gun laws are aimed at the law-abiding citizen because no criminal (by their very nature) follows any law but their own.

You need to now speak up about the values of gun ownership and how every state, EVERY STATE, that has enacted open legal gun ownership has it's crime reduced, substantially!

Thank you Mr. Mayor.

"I believe that law en_forcement should focus on enforcing the laws that exist on the books as opposed to passing new extensions of laws,"

Enforcing laws, huh? Then I'm sure this means he'll toughen his shamefully lax stance on illegal immigration and start enforcing some laws.

RIGHT?

What a hypocrite! This coming from the former mayor of a city where gun ownership is illegal.

Rudy, When you told the Saudi's to stick it after 9-11, you became THE MAN!

I sure hope Giuliani doesn't get elected, he'll be Bush 2.0 and is likely to further deteriorate our country.

Another politician getting religion regarding personal freedoms. He lies...vote for Thompson or the leftists who at least lie about their positions on everything else but guns.

I agree but it is somewhat of a flip flop. I hope he means it because if the NRA supports him he has a chance to win. He better own up to what he says.

I sure hope Giuliani doesn't get elected, he'll be Bush 2.0 and is likely to further deteriorate our country.

Too little too late. We don't trust you Mayor. You seem to view the US Constitution as an obstacle to overcome instead of a guide.

Your statement "They have the right to protect themselves in their own home." is utter BS. I have the right to protect myself ANYWHERE I roam. My rights do not end at my doorstep.

"A person's home is their castle. They have the right to protect themselves in their own home." . . . unless, of course, you live in New York

Rudy -

Sorry, we don't believe you. You are another Bush in sheeps clothing.

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety"

It is based on the 2nd amendment, sir. Get a clue as to what "shall not be infringed means". The current gun laws that are on the books are unconstitutional. The courts screwed up!

Wow! Republican candidates really are betting The Base is immeasurably stupid with real short memories. This pandering flock of bastards really debase our politics in the best tradition of George Bush. More of the same.....

Our right to bear arms is NOT based upon a reasonable degree of safety, but on the Second Ammendment to the Constitution of the United States, Mr Mayor.

I like the doublespeak going on there.

Wow Giuliani...what a shill you have become.

In other words Rudy, you're flip-flopping to avoid the ire of the NRA. I'm guessing your abortion stance will be the next to "evolve".

Here's a novel thought, try standing up for your principles instead of pandering to the gun lobby.

As I read these remarks a person in the United States of America is guilty until they can prove their innocence. Then they may exercise their right to bear arms.

I smell an election around the corner! Hummmmm...Don't fall for it folks!

Fred Thompson in 2008!

How does one distinguish between sincere "evolution" of thinking and politically expedient flip-flopping?

Another politician trying to look more Centrist in a bid for the presidency. Next he will start catering to the Religious Right by carrying a big ol stage Bible. Anybody have enough yet?

I believe the man has said he changed his mind about gun control post 911. I think to compare him with Bush and say that is a negative thing is childish. President Bush has kept you safe from tyranny by blood thirsty fanatics since 911. Grow up!

Now thats special. Rudy has become a pro gunner.
I shall file that with " I never had sex with that women Monica Lewinsky". Rudy needs to take some more acting lessons from Slick Willy. The Watkins household supports Ron Paul!

In regards to the NYT ad about Gen. Petreaus. While in the opinion of many it was in poor taste, the 1st amendment was designed to protect controversial speech, not just un-controversial speech.

Interestingly, the accusation of being "unpatriotic" and "cowardly" up until recently had been reserved only for those who dissented against the War, the Patriot Act, etc. Most of these accusations came from the Neocon diehards. Maybe they should have listened.

Nothing scares me more than government officials calling for sanctions on the expression of opinion. I am sure that the Nazis also mentioned a line that can be crossed and a line that can't. Suppresion of views counter to the majority is a slippery slope that must be avoided at all costs.

Ron Paul is NO LEADER!

Damn right, you dolt! You have nothing at all to say about our right to own firearms. No prsident has that right!

Good idea Rudy,

I'm ex-military, owner of both long guns and handguns and I have and use a concealed carry license, yes you could say I'm pro-gun.

But I'm also pro-gun control. The procedure for obtaining the concealed carry license is not much short of a joke. After the background check comes back all you have is a "practical" round of shoot to qualify and a written test for which you've been given the answers.

I don't want my ability to carry removed, but I don't want anyone with a minimum of a day and a half "training" out there with a weapon, and from some of the comments in the classroom, wanting to shoot to kill.

Yes we should have the right to keep and bear arms, but lets get some perspective on how to qualify for this incredibly responsible right. Once you've passed a more rigorous test, let those who've passed alone to protect themselves and those around them.

Sorry, but I'm not buying it. I'm sick of politicians (both Left and Right) whose views "evolve" shortly before they're due to address an audience of higher level primates.

As for our "Democracy," it has apparently devolved to the point that no person with real integrity can be a candidate. Being a member of our current government requires that you mutate into a twisted, bent, deformed shell of your former self. The system is designed to eradicate integrity. Integrity and politics have become mutually exclusive. Considering Congress' approval rating (less than 1/3 that of Bush), most of the American people agree.

I will keep my firearms not because a politician says that I can, but because it is my inalienable right. It is also the right of the people to abolish the government using said firearms when the politicians have become sufficiently estranged from any semblance of integrity, serving their own interests rather than those of the people.

It is pretty simple, really. If you can't trust me with my firearms, then I can't trust you with my vote. And if you didn't trust me with my firearms yesterday, but suddenly do today, what assurance can I have that you won't change your mind again tomorrow?

The government is supposed to be for the people, of the people, and by the people. The people are agitated.

John,
Moveon.org went way beyond! To insult a man who has been putting his life on the line for YOUR freedom.....to be wounded for YOU.....is way over the top. He is a honorable man and went before congress with facts, and the democrats running for president and there backers moveon.org.........can't handle the truth. They can print whatever they wish but that does not make it RIGHT or Proper! It was and is a disgrace! They are too ignorant to apologize and you are as well.

I don't believe you Rudy, sorry.

I put my trust in Ron Paul - a real defender of the 2nd amendment.

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety,"

is not true

Amendment II reads in part
".....the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"

Period

Safety is a reasonable assumption but not a basic tenet of the Amendment

I'm thrilled Rudy is seeing the importance of legal gun ownership in this country!

He's the only candidate that can come close to stopping the corrupt Clintons.

Rudy will get attacked by all sides because the media KNOWS he's the one and only Republican that can beat Hilary. If you don't believe me just watch the liberal media, see if I'm right.

Remember when guns are outlawed, only politicians and criminals will have guns.

I love how he calls this Moveon.org and American Political Organization as if it is a Political Party. Everything that made this guy a good or some say great Mayor he has abandoned to make the 26% (that still support bush) happy. Keep selling out your integrity, Rudy

You know how you can tell a Democrat is posting? They keep calling Rudy "Bush 2.0" or "More of Bush". What a crock. You guys wouldn't vote for any Republican regardless of who it is.

The Right to Arm Bears is a God given one. The Right to Bear Arms is a Constitutional one.

When I can get a CCW permit in NYC or Chicago Rudy let me know. Apparently we arent granted a reasonable sense of security in those locations. So the only ones packing heat are criminals and they and I both know that.

Nope.

I'm not buying it.

I've been a student of politicians and gun rights for too long to be fooled.

As a liberty oriented Republican, my assessment is that Rudy is exactly the sort of dark, creepy authoritarian that we need a lot less of.

I find it interesting that he thinks Moveon.org should be punished for simply using their right to free speech.

He forgot to add, "...except when – and where – I’m in charge."

Gun ownership is a threat to national security. We should take them all away under the patriot act and anyone who does not follow should be sent to Guantanamo w/o representation. You can't carry water on an airplane, but you can carry a gun. That's sensible. Good times.

Based on this story it sounds like Rudy said exactly nothing. So he thinks my home is my castle. Thanks for the update, Rudy. So 911 made him rethink gun control? How so? Limit citizen gun rights based on non-citizen and terrorist acts?

Never trust a person wants to make it illegal or difficult for you to defend yourself properly.

Moveon.org is a shamefully anti-American group, it's true. Anyone with any grey matter and common sense can see that. So, how long will Rudy milk the ooportunity to bad mouth them or Ron Paul?

Given a choice of those 2 I would take Paul. (I don't care that he doesn't have the money to win
Ron Paul is a better man that has our citizens as his #1 priority. Check out his platform before you slam him.)

Hey Rudy, why not talk about doing the right things - reducing government, lowering taxes, securing borders, making illegal immigration illegal again, stopping the SPP / North American Union, create more incentives to create American business and reduce outsourcing, stop the weakening of the dollar, reduce the terrorist threat, and find a solution to the real or perceived energy pinch concerning oil.

The democrats are shameful socialists and the GOP is liberal...are there any real conservatives out there that won't get crucified?

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is a definition of insanity. I am voting for a person of integrity after spending 20 years in the vipers nest of Washington Dr. Paul still holds the same beliefs.

The Constitution even after the activist Presidency and Courts have trampled on our rights
Dr. Paul still only votes Constitutionally. Cheers,

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety," he said.

What a maroon! The right to bear arms is a natural right that pre-dates the Declaration of Independence, let ALONE the Constitution, whether he recognizes it or not, and if he were anything other than what he is (globalist/socialist), he'd admit that the Constitution places a STRICT limitation on the government to interfere with that right.

This candidate is dangerous to the Bill of Rights, so vote for him at your own peril. Out of his mouth, not mine.

The truly sad thing is, millions of "conservatives" see him as "reasonable".

I don't know yet who I'll vote for, but it won't be Hillary, Barack, or Edwards. I am looking for
whoever will enforce and strengthen our immigration laws.

The 2nd Amendment was not written for so-called "self defense". It was written to keep tyrannical government and rogue leaders at bay by means of force.

His words clearly show that he does not agree.

I haven't seen any kittys change their stripes. Don't believe it.

Come on Rudy! I'm tired of hearing views about issues that are ranked 50th on the priority list. The first candidate that can reform/address immigration and our depleting Social Security problems I'll listen. These are quality of life issues for myself and for my children. Gun rights, which i strongly agree with is so far from what the American public should be focusing on during these times.

"Giulaini explained the lawsuit he initiated in 2000 against gun manufacturers by saying that he was "excessive in everyway that I could think of in order to reduce crime" but said that "intervening events" like September 11th had caused his views to evolve."

Yes, if only the workers at the World Trade Center had guns...

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety," he said."

WRONG!

The right to bear arms is based on the PRE-EXISTING right to self defense which is RECOGNIZED (not granted) by the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

We don't base our rights on the constitution. Our rights existed before the constitution and will continue to exist even if the constitution or its interpretation is changed.

Heeeellloooooo! Ron Paul doesn't have a chance in hell!

Why is it that Ron Paul supporters are such advocates for individual rights and no government interference, yet knowing he hasn't got a prayer in getting elected would only help Hillary?

Bullshit. He just wants to be elected. The PTB that anointed him told him to BS the NRA so the people being instructed by the same handlers get clearance to endorse him.

Did he do anything for the defense rights of New Yorkers when he was mayor? No.

Of course now the Repub koolaid drinkers and NRA will become sycophants for the anointed one.

Ron Paul is a better choice for gun rights.

RUDY WILL SAY ANYTHING to get elected.
"intervening events" like September 11th had caused his views to evolve. Is he serious? He is trying to peg everything to 9/11. Don't be fooled my fellow republicans. He is a threat to conservative values and should not be taken seriously. This guy faker than a North Korean Hundred Dollar bill.

Aren't we sick of leaders who are too afraid of failure to say what they truly believe? I mean, I hate bush just as much as the next guy, but at least he gives me the chance to hate him without trying to agree with me just enough so that I don't.

He tried to alienate my unalienable rights. Now that he is in a popularity contest he tries to change his spots. Hilroy has done the same thing.

You don't win on what you say in a commercial, you win based on your record.

like every other anti-gunner out there, your views on the second amendment would be completely unacceptable when applied to the first. unfortunately, as was so perfectly demonstrated by "Unclear", people are perfectly willing to accept candidates who promise more then they punish.

here is my idea: let's find a candidate who can do their job *without* trampling all over the rights of we the people. let's stop voting for people who want to wire-tap and gun-grab as part of their plan to "keep people safe"...

If I could re-write the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, this is precisely what I would love to see:

"We, the people of the United States, in order that we shall have the right to preserve a State free for all races, shall achieve this end by the use of less-lethal weaponry only for our continued survival as human beings. This free State entails our personal self-defense as well as our right to our food consumption. In keeping with current government law, if we so choose to possess a less-lethal weapon (be it either upon our persons or within our private homes), we are obligated to store these aforementioned weapons plus any ammo relating to its use in a manner which will serve to protect the welfare of a minor child.

Doktor Jeep,

But Ron Paul is unelectable!! I'm not trying to be mean, it's just a proven fact.

At some point I would hope you Paul supporters will come out from behind your computers (because I've noticed that the only thing Paul has going for him, is that his supporters are huge chatroom or blog posters then any other candidate's supporters) and support the nominee against Hillary.

Sorry Rudy,
I just don’t believe you! Flip-Flops on this issue just won’t cut it when it comes to our second amendment rights! The other conservative issues (abortion & gay marriage) that you are on the left side of I could live with, but there is NO WAY anyone is taking away my right to keep and bear arms. The criminals would like it if guns are banned as they don’t care about the laws! Let’s enforce all the laws including all of these ‘illegal aliens’ in this county!

there are so many animals in new york city its really tough to govern there..rudy did a great job...

Was that his current wife or future wife?

A gun is is a gun is a gun. Use it wrong and you should get punished. Use it the way it was designed and there is no problem. The gun was designed for defence to stop someone from a distance, therefore protecting ones self from an attacker.

How come gun advocates/NRA regularly quote the second amendment reading 'the right to bear arms' but somehow always leave off the part about 'a well regulated militia'. It's a curious, selective reading of the second amendment. Rudy probably banned guns in NYC so his ex-wives couldn't get ahold of them.

BOW DOWN TO YOUR FUTURE PRESIDENT-FOR-LIFE HILLARY! YOU WILL BE HAPPY DOING WHAT SHE KNOWS IS BEST FOR YOU!! ALL HAIL HER! YOU WILL BE HEALTHY AND PROSPEROUS EVEN AFTER TAXES!

I like Rudy, but have to stick with Fred at this point.

I have no reason to believe Rudy is lying about his position on gun-control, however convenient it seems now. But I want a president who sees my rights as inaileinable, rather than subject to current events and circumstances.

The revolution will be wi-fi'd. Keep the guns in the closet...for now.

Do not believe this fascistic hyena !!!
This M...F... wants to rule nation of slaves !!!

responsibility must come with ownership, I have been around guns from a very early age and was required to attend a month long training course in guns to aquire my first hunting licence at the age of 12. After you turn 18 any yahoo can go out and buy a gun, WTF! how dangerose is it to have a bunch of armed ignoramouses running around shooting semi autos half drunk because its "fun".
Any American citizen who feels the need to own a gun should go through manadatory safety training lasting at least a month and then be rigerously tested to prove that they have learned the material, then they can be a "responsible" gun owner

I think you are all a bunch of freaks.

I'm reading these liberal minded idiots and they're comments about gun control (not many on the subject itself) ....all they can focus on is George Bush ! THANK GOD FOR GB .....you mindless robots of the 'left' have little or no clue about what this country and the world are facing, because you are protected by people who lay their lifes on the line everyday for you. YOU DISGUST ME TO NO END!! IF YOU HATE AMERICA SO MUCH ...JUST LEAVE !!!

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety,"


Isn't he just saying let's be reasonable when trying to protect ourselves? Does one really need an uzi to do that?

www.uzi.com... great! “coming soon”.. SHOP ONLINE!! yee haww!!

NRA is a joke imo.

I don't believe this for one second. What a crock!
This guy is just as dangerous and just as dishonest as any other politician.

G_d gave me the right to protect myself and my family and the constitution guarantees me that right. At home, on the road, in the field. It doesn't matter.

What a lousy selection of candidates this election! Grrrr...

Don't believe a word of it. Giuliani, like the all the rest in this Hollywood show called the 2008 Presidential Election, are the most duplicitous snake oil salesmen on the planet. Whatever is said has been carefully calculated to elicit an ideological response. There is no real meaning in Giuliani's words. The truth is that your guns, regardless of who is President, will be taken from you when the government decides to do so. Yes, they can - and have - done this. New Orleans Police Superintendent P. Edwin Compass III announced in 2005, after hurricane Katrina, that all privately owned firearms would be seized: "No one will be able to be armed. Guns will be taken". Any event that would make possession of a firearm beneficial for self defense - a social collapse, for example - will doubtlessly be deemed a state of emergency. The 2nd Amendment is obsolete: the government can create any of a number of contingencies that grants them the power to confiscate our guns.

Nothing Rudy the RINO can say at this point is going to change anything. He is, and always will be antigun. Sued the gun companies and was adamantly antigun as mayor of NYC.

No way in hell will any antigun politician be getting my support.

Sorry Rudy, you are too liberal for those of us in the in the center of America. Stay in New York where you belong.

How does Ron Paul have no chance against Hillary?

Ron Paul is in fact, the only republican to have a chance against her. Remember, 70% of the nation is against the war. How in god's name could a pro war republican actually win an election in which the war is clearly the number one issue???

And if you are serious about gun rights, Paul is by far your most secure vote.

Rudy is just another lying, liberal hypocrit.
Would never vote for him.

Rudy trying to sound more like Ron Paul, the only true conservative in the race.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I do believe your views on protecting the 2nd Amendment are sincere. Looking at the rest of the field, both parties, you are the only one having demonstrated competence. I can only hope that fellow Republicans understand the dire consequences of allowing the far Left to capture the White House.
Go Rudy!!!!

Evolution? Since when do the rightwingers believe in evolution? And I find it interesting that the righties suddenly developed a case of the vapors about an interest group attacking the honor of General Petraus, when our idiot president never would have gotten reelected without the Swiftboaters' lies about Kerry's record. But it's okay if you're a Republican, right?

Why are assault weapons sold to anyone except police and military? How many private citizens use these as opposed to criminals? I think owning a gun is sensible if one knows how to use it safely, but assault weapons make no sense to me.

A gun is a gun. My right to have Military grade weaponry is as strong as my Great Grandfather's right to a musket. We both need to protect our families from perceived threat by any means necessary. Sometimes those methods may be shocking to Liberals, but no bears or Mexicans will get near MY children.

My right to bear arms is not based on SAFETY, but on the US Constitution. Read it some time.

I don't believe you!

Looking for a Republican to vote for - less government, less tax, less spending, strong defense, Pro-Life, understqanding of the Constitution, stay out of my life and leave my guns alone.

Rudi does not match up

Why has Rudy all of a sudden decided that Gun's and Gun Laws are ok? Being the Mayor in NY, where you may not own a gun is interesting. And if I remember right he also said about 4 yrs ago that "Guns in the hands of non-experienced people, are the detriment of the American Society."

Well I guess I am the detriment to my society, Rudy. Being a woman, having served in our honorable military, working my little bottom off to support my single self and owning guns... I am not your "typical" woman. And I do not need a President telling what I can and can not own to protect myself nor if I have a rifle to shoot a animal to feed myself. Rudy, you did a good thing for the People of NY during 9/11 when you were needed, but that does not mean I will vote for you.

Thompson, I hope you are reading this crap because I am getting tired of the same rehtoric.

At least he had the presence of mind not to say Read my lips.

Does he really think anybody beleives he is now for gun ownership. He sounds more like a celebrity who feels that all past actions can be forgiven by finding God and going to rehab. He will not get my vote.

Amendments were meant to be amended, you rednecks. We don't have to live in fear of the British anymore.

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety," he said.

Excuse me! The first thing I was taught in Boy Scouts was gun safety before I was even aloud to touch it. Then we were taught how to use it. Last but not least of all was that it is the most important Right in our Constitution. Because with out the right to be able to Bear Arms you can not protect the other rights our founders gave us.

Let me get this straight: The events of 9-11 caused Rudy to re-think his position on gun control? So someone could have stopped the attack if they only had a gun on them? Incredible...

Don't trust this guy. He will say anything to get elected. If you trust him you will be electing a worse RINO to Bush.

I in no way believe this guy. He would happily sign a total gun ban just like Hillary. The last thing the country needs is him or any New Yorker. My vote is going for Ron Paul.

Rudy, I think the pea is under the middle shell.

Oww come on people quit beating a dead Fred 4 people showed up at a rally for him the mainstream party already have Allen Keys standing in the wings to take on Ron Paul who going to wipe the floor with him ending the war now makes sense it’s a civil thing not American issues even the vets are backing Ron Paul the main stream media is scared to death of Ron he is the ghost in the machine hackberry bite the dust Flip Flop Rommy main support in Slat lake city give Ron over 3ook in one day The fireman across the country are dogging Rudy doing what ever they can to stop him for what he did to them 9/11 wake up a vote for a real statesman twenty years of integrity no body has that kind of creditability Ron Paul hope for American we can get a real republic back Check his record. then decide

What a farce from this joker. first, the NRA is just a old man's hunting club, has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment. According to the fed's definition of a terriorist group, the NRA fits that description. Support the Gun Owners of America/

"...only politicians and criminals...." What's the difference?

Is anybody out there really naive' enough to actually believe there are ANY politicians in this country who will stand up for us? None of them will stand up for anything except whatever fashionable lie will get them elected, keep them elected, and enable them to dig deeper in your wallet. Power, corruption and greed are their holy trinity.

I've been a staunch conservative for most of my 57 years, somewhere between Rush Limbaugh and Ronald Reagan. I believe that true conservative ideals are the only thing that keep this country a strong, safe republic. Liberalism is a lie, a fraud, a cancer that is killing this country.

The scum in moveon.org and their ilk are taking us down into a cesspool of socialism, an ideology that has been an abject failure in every country that has ever tried it. But still they think they have a BETTER idea. Get a clue, idiots on the left.

Sadly, the right has nobody who can beat the Hillary juggernaut, and that scares the hell out of me. As dishonest, corrupt, greedy and self-serving as her husband was, she's much worse. Prepare for a renewal of the Hillary health-care scam, more of our rights to be stolen away, more taxes for the left's stupid social programs (which have accomplished NOTHING in 60-70 years but a drain on our economy and our wallets), more big-brotherism, more of the communist "it takes a village" lie, and a downward spiral into the socialist cesspool.

Rudy is a liar. He's a RINO, just like McCain. His "evolution" is a fraud.

It really doesn't matter what he says.

What DOES matter is who the NRA endorses, for that'll be the person who'll get my vote.

Plain & Simple.

"I'm ex-military, owner of both long guns and handguns and I have and use a concealed carry license, yes you could say I'm pro-gun.

But I'm also pro-gun control."
-Posted by Rob-

You Sir are a conundrum of hypocracy. You want but don't want other to have. You signed on the dotted lines and swore to uphold and defend the Constitution from all enemies. Yet you say that rules and regulations should be placed on my right. Sir, you have no right to infringe upon my rights. That is the purpose of my Constitution. If you know not what you swore to defend then you shouldn't have. To be ex military does not give you insight, apparently, as to the meaning of the Constitution. I support your right whether I like it or not what you do.(and that would be to the death). Don't think might rights any less important. Don't legislate my rights, or those parts of my rights you don't like, because you want to feel more secure (or whatever your reason is). The problem in America today is everyone wants their rights but they want to restrict my rights. You Sir do not define my life, liberty or pursuit of happiness, and I don't want anybody else trying to either.
Learn what the Constitution is and why it is before you legislate it away.

I am really leary about this evolution. George Bush and George Sr both made campain promises they did not fullfil. In both cases it made for a wasted vote for me. Once elected he may evolve back. I don't think elected officials feel bound by what they say on the campain trial. They just say what they have to say to be popular with their constituants. We have to look at their past to get an idea of what they stand for. I think Rudy is not for gun rights still, I just don't believe this change. He is still a good guy overall but this just does not seem right.

Where and when did this happen? I'm not questioning that these are his views or that you are telling anything other than facts, but if Giuliani said this, or Giuliani did that, your blog does not provide the crucial background information that is quite pertinant to the story you are telling. This is extremely poorly written.

Rudy is rotten to the core, just like Bush is! Both are as corrupt and tyrannical as Hitler, Mao or Stalin ever thought of being. Neither care in the least for the American people, the Constitution or anything other that wielding absolute power. BOTH are most certainly threats to our freedoms, not just our Second Amendment rights but ALL of them! I agree that Ron Paul is the best candidate on the scene today if we wish to remain free and not devolve into a total police state. It's now or never folks!

Sounds like Fred Thompson has Rudy running toward the conservative/libertarian base that supports gun rights. Rudy better remember that if he is elected, not to turn on gun owners and support any gun control laws. (Remember the 1994 Congressional elections following the Clinton Gun Ban on Semi-Autos and the Brady Bill)

I'm supporting Thompson since he is the only realistic candidate that is truly pro-gun ownership, but I do hope that this is a sign that Rudy will stay away from gun control if he ends up elected.

For the record, if Clinton or Obama is elected, kiss your guns goodbye. What they don't ban or confiscate will be useless since I'm sure they will go after ammunition too. It will be to risky to go out and do any shooting even if you hide your guns since someone will hear you and turn you in. Clinton/Obama would ban virtually every gun within months of taking office, I am certain of it. They will no doubt have a strongly Democratically controlled Congress to back them up.

So what's to say he won't "evolve" again... the other way?

I want a steady, PRINCIPLED conservative, not an opportunistic liberal who will say whatever he thinks might get him elected.

Rudy sounds like a typical wishy-washy liberal with no compass.

Actually to restate an above comment, you're another sheep in Bush's clothing!

When your own children are against you Rudy's credability on all of his flip flops to try to get
nomination shouldn't be believed. He would do anything or say anything to get the nomination.
He is the biggest phony in the race.

Mr. "nine eleven" is showing his true colors - Pay attention. Any politician that lacks principles will attempt to win over all groups - regardless. It would be different if they actually had any real principles.

Ron Paul doesnt have a chance to win the Republican primary. Too many American voters fear both personal freedom and self-responsibility. They prefer having a government to tell them what to eat, how to think and how to behave. Sheep are like that.

I support the 2nd Amendment to the fullest extent. That's just one of the many reasons why Ron Paul has my support.

All the rest of you phoney conservatives can jump on the Hannity Wagon and support Giuliani the liberal mobster if you want to. Heck, Giuliani should really be running as Hillary's Vice President. He's no conservative. He's a fascist. Rudy says he's changed his views? How unbelievably convenient! Sounds like Romney becoming pro-life just in time for the election. LOL All these frontrunners are scum. Hillary, Giuliani, Edwards, Thompson - they're all trash.

Mr. Mayor, Sorry but I would much rather support someone who has always stood strong for our second-amendment rights than someone who has only recently converted to the cause.

I believe your current views are more motivated by your desire to be the Republican nominee for President than any true change of heart. That being the case, I cannot trust that your conversion will remain.

I will be voting for Gov. Mike Huckabee who has always supported the Parker court's interpretation of the second amendment as providing an individual right to the American people.

Enough with everyone criticizing only Romney for flip-flopping. Now we have Giuliani on gun control, McCain on immigration, Thompson on immigration AND abortion, and Romney on Abortion.

None of the campaigns or their supporters have any room to talk or complain about Romney and flip-flopping. You have nothing on him now. (Except he is too polished, or whatever that means).

As an NRA member, I dont believe him. I dont speak
for the organization, but I know who I will NOT
vote for.

If only there were a candidate who has never flip-flopped! Who could be such a candidate? I wonder...

Giuliani is a thug. The only one who has any chance against the republocrat machine is Ron Paul.

so it's OK to have the constitutional right to own a gun (which I support) but it's not OK to keep more than 200 years of constitutional rights to free speech on public issues, even if you offend someone?

What pathetic small-minded hypocrite. I know people who know him and this fits with the image they have of a petty, purely self-serving toady.

I will support Ron Paul until the end. I refuse to vote for someone just because they 'arent Hillary'. Go ahead and vote for Rudy McRomney and don't be surprised when they continue proxy wars for Israel, continue to allow the Fed to hyper-inflate and devalue our money, and continue to spend spend spend for big government and continue to turn America into a socialist police state and throw what's left of the Constitution out the window.

Ron Paul very well may not have a chance but I will sleep well at night knowing I voted for someone who has shown consistent integrity and principle and not a bought and paid for shill for the CFR.

Heres is a good article on the 'lesser of two evils' voting deception.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/kramer2.html

I don't believe him for a minute! Once a gun grabber always a gun grabber. What a crock.

I like how when giuliani flip flops it is called an 'evolution.'

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety," - and now the rest of the sentence - "and I'll tell you what's reasonable.".

"the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

It doesn't say except when the government disapproves. Or only certain arms. Or only certain people. If you ask me, because it includes both words "keep and bear" and because it says "shall not be infringed" the government should not be allowed to force you to get a conceal carry permit.

Our constitution says I have the right to keep and bear arms without any threat of the government infringing on those rights. That means no gun control laws. The reason we have this law is to protect the citizens from the government. In other words, the law was designed to prevent the government from out-gunning it's citizens.

It doesn't say we have the right to keep and bear arms to protect ourselves from criminals. It says we have this right to protect our freedom and security.

We are supposed to have the strength and the means to take on our government whenever it becomes too powerful and unanswerable. One of the biggest incentives for including this law in our Constitution was punitive or unfair taxation by an all-powerful government. Remember?

Tobacco. It's worse than taxation without representation. This is taxation with anti-representation. This group is being forced to fund their own ostracization. Very un-American. But we don't make tobacco illegal, do we? Too much money to be had sticking it to people no one else will fight for. We just stick a 600% tax on it. Screw you, pariah! What are you gonna do about it?

The first thing a dictator does is disarm the citizenry. There's a reason. Then you can attack and tax to death any group you want and no one can fight back.

I can't wait until they come after some freedom the Marxist secularists enjoy. National Health Care is coming. Now you won't be able to eat any fat or be overweight or participate in extreme sports or anything else that might possibly cause a health problem because the government owns your body. Plus, the middle class can pay for everyone else's health insurance. Screw you, bourgeoise! What are you gonna do about it?

Those who would give up essential freedoms for security deserve neither.

Does he really think people are stupid and that he will say one thing to get elected and then do another when in office ? Well he's probably right there are a lot of stupid people who will vote for him just for being the 9-11 mayor and teh sentiment some have over that. Buy your guns now and learn how to reload your own ammo folks.

Its astonishing to me that anyone whom calls themselves a republican (FYI I am not one) can even bother considering Rudy Guiliani. He actually makes Romney look legitimate as a conservative. Rudy ran a shelter city, sued gun makers, ran up huge budget defects, left his wife in a horribly public episode for his campaign manager, lets not forget Benard Kerik... and oh yeah, remember when he endorsed Mario Cuomo for governor in 1994?

Also, (if that were not enough,) we should not forget that when Guiliani's 2nd term was near an end before the attacks he had basically agitated just about everyone in the city, and as a result had become functionally irrelevant. As Mayor, Guiliani was overwhelming known for being unilateral in actions, controversial to the point of being provocative, heavy handed in law enforcement matters, and insensitive to the complicated ethnic and racial issues, that still plague New York to this day. Remember amadou diallo or abner louima anybody???

Rudy's Prior stint in the "small pond" of New York City should clearly show just not qualified for the office of president he is.

Simpliity yeilds the best result result

NO GUN CONTROL WHAT SO EVER ! those that earn the it,shall receive !

Come on guys. The decision will be Rudy or Hillary. That is a no-brainer because we know what Hillary will do to your guns and the 2nd Amendment. Rudy may not be the perfect Reagan conservative, but he is a heck of lot closer than HER. A vote for anyone but Rudy will be a vote for Hillary. Remember the Clinton Gun Ban anyone? Probably the single stupidest, most ineffective piece of legislation ever inked. Whatever Rudy's position, SHE will take your guns!

Rudy now claims that he supports the Second Amendment but just as suddently he is against the First Amendment by wanting to sanction MoveOn for expressing their opinion in a written advertisement. Can't anyone support all of the first ten amendments to the Constitution of the United States which we call the Bill of Rights?

Quick men, grab your guns and go to the front windows !

All women and children to the basement !

I find it funny how its OK for a republican to flip-flop ("Thank you for coming to your senses") but when a Democrat flop-flops, its pointed out over and over again by republicans. If nominated, the Democrats need to keep focusing on Guiliani's flip-flop the way the republicans focused on Kerry's!

Sorry folks. Guns aren't getting pussified in THIS country. We'll take them locked and loaded. This guy's not going to change anything because he's not going to get elected. Rudy's a little too Jewish looking for this country to take seriously.

I wonder how the students at Delaware State feel out guns..

I thought you liberals were all about choice? You don't want to give me the choice on where to send my kids to school. And you certainly don''t want to give me the choice to own a firearm to protect myself and my family. What is it with you people? Firearms certainly aren't for everyone, but neither is having kids or driving a car. Do my background check, and then BUTT OUT !!! As long as someone is not legally prohibited from owning a gun (i.e. felon, mental history, illegal alien, etc...) it''s none of your damn business if I own a firearm, and what kind of firearm it is. Lock me away for life if I ever commit a crime with it, but until then, don't give me this public safety garbage. Why can't you libs simply choose not to be a part of something and then let it be. No, if it's something you don't like, something you don't agree with, you have to try to make it illegal. Look in the mirror the next time you call someone a fascist!

It's too bad he didn't stick to his guns (no pun intended).

Guns in the hands of the common man is an antiquated idea. Banning guns would lead to less voilent crime in the future.

"your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety" Not OUR right to bear arms but YOUR- he is above us all somehow it seems he thinks. And what exactly, is the "reasonable degree of safety"- some floating around space quantity that changes at eh whims of political handlers- suddenly to evaporate like in New Orleans after katrina, huh? Once a fascist, always a fascist. Let him and all the fascists join the breadlines where simpering fools feed anyone because of hunger as the only gauge. Disemploy all the anti-freedomites NOW. We have more than the right to defend our homes- we have AN OBLIGATION spelled out in the 2nd Amendment to keep arms. Especially now, in a global war with people who want nothing other than to kill us. Not take us over and enslave us, not to train and build factories so we can be like them, and join civilization like when we vanquish an enemy- just to KILL US. We need to elect real Americans this time around.

Rudy and others fear the power of the NRA.
Thus they have become experts in talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Gee, I'm so glad it was reported that he said "I love you" to his wife. And the point is.... ? Was he supposed to say something else, thereby reinforcing the writer's not too subtle inference that he's not human if he believes in the right to bear arms?

This guy would vote to bring back alcohol Prohibition. We don't need any more a** holes telling us what we can & can't do. He shut down a bunch of porn shops in NY, but has no problem fornacating & commiting adultery himself. He has armed guards protecting him, but it's against the law for citizens to protect their families. We don't need these hypocrite jerks running on the Republican ticket. Even though I'm a Hawk - I'm voting for Ron Paul...

"Guns in the hands of the common man is an antiquated idea. Banning guns would lead to less voilent crime in the future."

David - it's too bad reality doesn't sync up with your preconceived ideas.

Australia has outlawed guns and they have one of the highest crime rates in the world. The places with the lowest crime rates are places that have conceal carry.

Next.

TO live free or DIE:

you might want to check your spelling while you are being so absolute in your statements.

Simpliity yeilds the best result result?

and

those that earn the it, shall receive?

Whatever point you were trying to make, you didn't.

He is a politician, they do not what the definition of IS, IS. Politicians say one thing then do the exact opposit once elected. We need to get every last one of them to sign a binding contract on what they will or won't do prior to getting elected.

Everything negative said about guns is absolutely true. That is precicely why everyone should own one. That is precicely why everyone should know how to use one. Imagine, for a moment, if during the American Revolution only the British had guns. Had that been true, sheesh, everyone would now be speaking English! --jws

The 2nd Amendment has not been incorporated under the 14th Amendment Due Process Clause. Thus, the 2nd Amendment does not bind the states to recognize any right to bear arms. That being said, the states are free to regulate gun control. All the 2nd amendment does is prohibit the federal government from preventing the states from establishing and regulating their own state militias. The concept of the right to bear arms - in the strictly legal sense - has only recently been considered Individual, meaning a solitary person has a right to bear arms. 5th Circuit Federal Appellate court recognizes this individual right, but doesn't find that States cannot regulate as they see fit.

Don't fall for presidential campaign rhetoric regarding gun control or gun freedom. This is a Federalism issue where State action is followed up by the courts if need-be.

Educate yourselves on the caselaw:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parker_v._District_of_Columbia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Emerson

The individual right to bear arms isn't going anywhere, and any presidential candidate pandering to either the NRA or gun control group is doing just that - pandering. If you want to advocate real gun freedom or gun control, lobby the governors and state legislatures because the Supreme Court's won't touch this one with a 10 foot pole unless either a Due Process, Equal Protection, or Commerce Clause issue is raised.

Cheryl, your comments are right on. I wished more people would understand the true purpose of the 2nd amendment(and the entire constitution). The 2nd amendment is not for protection from criminals but for protection from government.
Too many people claim their constitutional rights and in the next breath they want restrictions on other peoples right. There isn't enough people in this country that understands the reason and meaning of the constitution. It leaves for only one logical conclusion and that is no constitution.

Rudy clearly doesn't have any concern for the Constitution, he doesn't even bother acknowledging the 2nd Amendment in his fake support for gun rights, and despite the distasteful MoveOn ad, a government sanction would violate the First Amendment. This guy scares me. Rudy doesn't care about the Constitution, do you?

I wonder how much Ambinder paid to have this site linked from Drudge :)

Personally, I liked deko's comment the best

Rudy: I would like to run for President.

Conservative Right: What do you stand for?

Rudy: What would you like me to stand for? Also, remember 9/11?

Giuliani had NYC sue the gun industry. Here is the video from the press conference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs5DxwzEXHQ

Giuliani defends the lawsuit against the gun industry on his radio program. The gun industry was "overproducing guns". Here is the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhe38wJ86Do

Cheryl,

You must be a pollster. Your "sample" is a little thin don't you think. Australia is in the process of removing guns from their society.

The countries with the lowest crime rates are the ones that never allowed guns in the first place.

Notice I prefaced "in the future"

Next...

The Second Amendment to the Constitution and all other amendments in the Bill of Rights do not give us any rights. These Rights are natural rights, human rights, birth rights, the Bill of rights Protects our natural right. Man naturally has the right to protect himself against all enemies foreign or DOMESTIC. The 2nd amendment Guarantees the rights of Americans to Keep and Bear Arms. Of course the Government keeps trying to ignore our rights. That is the reason the amendment was put in place. Read the writings of our Founding Fathers, Jefferson, Madison and the others, All say it is an individual right and a Check on our Government, so we can fight them if they become tyranical.

That's right Rudy, tell them what they want to hear, not what you believe. Typical politician.

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety," he said.

My rights to keep and bear arms are NOT based on a reasonable degree of safety. They are based on the U.S. Constiturion Second Amendment and if this guy does not understand that, why should he be president? What else in the Constitution does he not understand?

Funny how becoming a candidate makes people have a CHANGE of heart huh? He can talk that talk all day long but his record speaks for itself and it is a record of complete disregard for the US Constitution and the Second Amendment and he'll NEVER get my vote because of it.

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Yeah, if all the people in the Twin Towers had guns, 9/11 wouldn't have happened. Nice one, Rudy. As far as the 1st Amendment goes, we're at war and we always will be, so Americans better watch what they say!

Just proves "Adolph Bullyani" will do anything to get elected. I wouldn't trust him or Hillary to clean my toilets.

BTW, for anyone who can read plain English, the 2nd Amendment is the only amendment that places restrictions on BOTH the states and Congress. NO restriction on the "right of the people to keep and bear arms" is Constitutional, despite what corrupt politicians and judges might tell you.

you write that he said the right to "bare" arms, as opposed to "bear" arms. Maybe he is actually for stripping arms away, which is what that word implies, so maybe it's not an about face after all...

You beat me to it, nice typo "bare".

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I have more respect for Sarah Brady that I do for Rudy.
At least she is consistent in her position, not a flip-floper.

Rudy, if you were interested in courting my vote, you just lost it forever.

one thing we can all agree on -
we prefer to see rudy's bare arms to seeing hillary's bare legs

On that comment that crime has gone down in every state with an open gun ownership, as usual half truths from the right...NC passed that law in 1995. Here is link to 10 years trend...true assualts and murder down BUT rapes and robberies up. Arent robberies and rapes the crimes which gun ownership are supposed to prevent? Also it's not like crime dropped 50% because of the light gun laws, its same as nationwide average. Rudy is a whore to the NRA

http://sbi2.jus.state.nc.us/crp/public/Default.htm

He says he changed his gun views after 9-11.
So he's had six years to tell us about this change and he just gets around to telling us when an election is coming up.
He if he had really changed why didn't he try to change the draconian gun laws on New York City while he was mayor.
I don't believe a word he's saying and I sure don't expect him to uphold 2nd amendment rights should he get elected.

Rudy is just another big government fascist that will say anything just to get elected. I support Ron Paul, the only true conservative in the race.

Sorry Rudy but I'll never vote you (or Romney, or McCain.) Those of us who are long time firearms owners remember well your lawsuits and anti-gun rhetoric.

Unless Newt is the candidate I'll be voting libertarin this year.

Best

Back that up, David.

Switzerland has one of the lowest crime rates in the world and they are REQUIRED to keep guns and know how to use them.

Australia banned private ownership of guns years ago.

Please follow this link:
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/aus.html

It shows how all violent crime in Australia is UP since they BANNED GUNS.

PEOPLE WITH GUNS KILL PEOPLE

Of course Australia has a high crime rate! It's a country full of criminals! You're a dope. That's like telling me that cooking classes are full of fat people. Wow, really?

Jewliani should get tazered like Kerry just was for his flip flopping. You can't say some guns are okay and others aren't. This country needs more guns. Are the Muslums going to attack us when every American is carrying a Remington? I don't think so. The World needs to be reminded why we're the best country.

Nice flip-flop Rudy!

As for the move.on ad, as much as I disagree with it and found it disgusting, how about protecting the 1st A and not just the 2nd, flip-flopper?

When "Actual Republican" spouts this kind of crap, I have to laugh:

"you guys wouldn't vote for a Republican regardless of who it is"

Never heard of a "Reagan Democrat" I guess. A little history can be dangerous on these boards. Apparently Fox News forgot to put that in your talking points? Oh, wait, you're busy bashing MoveOn.org's free speech right, a bedrock principle that comes BEFORE your right to fondle your weapon.

Here's an old adage to help you identify the basic principles of the different voters:

Democrats want to fall in love with their candidate. Republicans want to fall in line.

Well, you never know what someone really believes but it is good enough for me that he makes a committment to not putting forth more anti-gunowner legislation. The fact is that most gun rules and laws come from states and municipalities and the federal gun laws have been creatures of the Congress. I support Rudy for pres because he wants to use guns to kill the islamofascists. That it is a VERY good use of guns.

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"A vote for anyone but Rudy will be a vote for Hillary."

- The last time we voted the lesser of two evils we got Bush! No thanks. I'll pass on the "lesser" thing from now on.

P.s I also don't like your continued pro-illegal immigration policies.

This guy is willing to sell his soul to get elected. I wouldn't trust him with my Constitutional Rights further that I can spit. He became born again just in time to attempt to garner the votes of the 2 million plus gun owners in the US.
What a transparent phony puke.
Kinda like McCain's death bed conversion on Amnesty for Illegals. These "conversions" will be long gone come inauguration day. Then it will be "F U conservatives", yes, they will do a Bush on us right quick.
The NRA should have told old Rudy to take a hike. It is an insult that they allowed him to address the membership.

dang... politicians will say anything to get elected. both parties are filled with a bunch of pandering liars! anyone who thinks there is a difference between democrats and republicans is naive or dangerously optimistic. the "most conservative" administration (the current one) brought us a bigger (and more intrusive) government, a pointless war, more wasteful spending, less state's rights, and an economy teetering on the edge of collapse. i honestly do not see any current candidate on the right who is a true conservative: a nonintervention foreign policy, state's rights, getting gov't off our backs (including out of our bedrooms: sorry Christian righters), closed borders (economic too: no more Clintonian NAFTA policies), and getting rid of the IRS. we are a country dependent of arab oil, and cheap toxic crap made in china... and the media is too busy talking about oj or britney spears to keep anything in check. i am saddened by what we as a nation are becoming. the canadian dollar just surpassed the u.s. dollar. 7 years ago, the canadian dollar was worth about 66 u.s. cents. we are not on a good course.

Smarmy RINOS, all of the sudden have an epiphany about their views on controversial subjects just as they are running for president and we're suppose to believe their sudden conversions. I certainly hope conservatives are smarter then to believe these smarmy RINOS, but if these are the supposed "top contenders" the GOP has to offer, I'm telling you right now if one of these smarmy RINOS is what will be running against whatever the left dredges out of their cesspool for their candidate, come 2008, there's going to be full democRAT control of Congress and the White House. Mark my words.

The GOP is in trouble when it's supposed "top contenders" are people I would never vote for. The country is in peril when neither candidate is worth voting for.

Dr Ron Paul is "unelectable" because he is the only candidate out there with a lick of sense. He is the only one out there not flip flopping to be popular at the momment, and the only one out there still willing to listen to and fight for the common people and our constitution. You know it, I know it and the media bias knows it (that's why they never even mention his name). The bankers and greedy corporations that are really running this country don't care who is elected democrat or republican as long as it's someone they can sway to their bankroll. That's why they fear him so much. Big business doesn't care about the constitution unless they can make a profit off of it. They don't want you to have any guns. It's a lot easier to raise interests rates, foreclose on the family farm and claim your house by way of emminent domain when you don't have a way of defending yourself. Our country has been taken from us a piece at a time and no one even bothered to notice. Maybe it's time we stood up for ourselves and tried to elect the unelectable.

"Your right to bare arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety," Said Giuliani.
Not so, such right is not even based on the U.S. Constitution. This right exists prior to the Constitution and is merely recognized by our highest legal document. This is a natural right. The Constitution does not give us this right, it merely affirms it.
Sorry Mr. Lawyer man, you need to go back to Constituitional Law 101.
I'm not a lawyer, but I know what the Constitution is and what it claims.

"Your right to bare arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety"

Sorry, Sir. My right to bear arms is based on the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

I hope the extremists posting here will cut this guy some slack.

When he said, "Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety." IT DID NOT MEAN that he believes it's not based on the Second Amendment.

The newspaper just quoted that portion. Is he supposed to qualify every single time he talks about the basis of the right to bear arms?

Come on, people, a LITTLE COMMON SENSE. Do you speak like that normally? "By the way Steve, Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety, and the laws in each state, and the second amendment, and the forefather's desire to keep colonizing powers like England from ruling you with an army against your will... oh please pass the salt."

Sheesh you people need to calm down

Newt Gingrich please get in the race- I am not impressed with Thompson and Rudy must go.

Its funny how the left like to interpret the US Constitution. First of all the Right to Bear arms is in the Bill of rights a subset to the us consttitution. It is not part of the original constitution documents. BOR were ratified in 1791 and not 1798 as was the original USC. AMENDMENT II " A well regulated Militia,(comma)being necessary to the security of a free sate,(comma)(not security of a nation),the right of the (keyword here liberals)-> PEOPLE (not militia) to keep and bear Arms ,shall not be infringed. (That means you can't take the gun away from me)(liberals, that means I can keep a gun and do.) This means we can form a State militia using the guns we have the right to have nedowed by the STATES not The federal govt. This Amendment does not say we can only keep guns if we are in a militia. This Amendment has two seperate but two distinctive Statements. Seperated by commas. IF you kow anything about early grammer and spelling and punctuation. A comma was used frequently to seperate thinking while writing. Look at other State documnts from this era and you will see the same usage of grammer and punctuation in many upon many documents. Liberals stop interpreting based on your wants. How about this. You don't have guns and I'll keep mine and you can have the gov wipe your asses and I'll take personal responsibity for myself. We know you guys always blame someone else or the US govt for all of your deficiencies. Grow up.

I believe than a person’s moral compass can be determined by how he references the right of free men to defend their God given gift of life. That there is an argument in America that a free man can defend himself or his family is absolutely preposterous, completely unacceptable, and I will not accept it. That politicians would try to tell me they will dictate where, why, when, or if I can defend myself is ludicrous and I will not accept that. I will not accept Rudy's definition of what is "a reasonable degree of safety" and just what is that anyway? Is it like being just a little dead?

Until and unless there is an amendment to the Constitution passed by both houses of congress, signed by the president, and ratified by two thirds of the state legislatures within a seven year time period that makes null and void the Second Amendment, the Second Amendment is my permit to carry concealed weapons—PERIOD!! Until and unless that is done, no politician can tell me that I can not. No court can tell me that I can not and any politician that does should NOT be elected to ANY office.

I would rather see armed and free Americans kill those who attempt to harm them or their families than have politicians tell us we can not defend ourselves or what they believe is "reasonable.". I don’t like repeat criminals; I like dead criminals! I don't like politicians that see the light once they run for office and Rudy is EXACTLY that. If he were not running for president, he would STILL BE trying to outlaw all fiirearms and he will do that if he is elected. The best indication of what your future performance is going to be is what your past performance has been and Rudy has been trying to overturn and outlaw the Second Amendment since he has been in public office.

We MUST protect the RIGHT to "...bare arms".

Protest TODAY by going SLEEVELESS in PUBLIC!

Robert Fallin, you are mistaken.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The 2nd Amendment was an amendment to the FEDERAL constitution. It affects only the FEDERAL government. That is, only until the courts recognize that the right is binding on states as well. The Supreme Court hasn't ruled on anything regarding the 2nd Amendment since US v. Miller:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller

Since then, only two circuit courts have ruled that there is something called the "Individual Right to Bear Arms." EVERY OTHER CIRCUIT adopts the "Collective" right. That means, the federal government cannot prevent states from organizing, maintaining, and arming their militias. My post above has the two other important 2nd Amendment cases, Parker v. US and US v. Emerson.

Right now, I'm watching CSPAN's coverage of the NRA meeting in Washington, DC.

Bill Richardson sent a taped message which the NRA played on the giant TV monitors. The NRA endorsed him for congress and for governor. I don't trust him because he was a member of the Clinton cabinet. However, he did send bother to record greetings. If miraculously, Richardson beats Hillary to get the nomination, and the GOP only offers Giuliani, I might just vote for Richardson.

Even McCain showed up, gave a speech primarily on the War in Iraq (he's no friend of the 2nd Amendment), but quickly exited without taking questions.

If Giuliani is so pro-2nd Amendment all of the sudden, why didn't he come to address this group?

David, Those countries that do not allow guns or they have been taken away from their citizens are mostly run by dictators that have all the guns!!

"bear"

not

bare.

you also have the right to proofread.

Giulaini's former position on gun control was
not something I agreed with but at least I could
respect it. Now he's shown himself
as just another politician, willing to say whatever it takes to get elected. Next month we'll
be hearing about his epiphany on illegal
immigration and how we have to seal the border.

Has the Republican party forgot what it means to be a conservative? Where is the Republican candidate that is:
- Pro-gun (and always has been)
- Reasonably anti-abortion (exceptions for the mothers health, rape, etc...)
- Anti-illegal immigration
- Willing to accept gay "partnerships" but marriage is between a man and a woman.
- Realizes one of the reasons healthcare is so high is due to excess rules, regulations and paperwork.
- Is against Socialized medicine.
- Able to give a speech without slouching over
the podium looking like some guy talking to you
in a bar. (Not mispronouncing words or mixing up
facts would be nice too).
- Gives the military the respect it deserves.
- Realizes we're in Iraq, we broke it and we need
to fix it. (Continually sending our boys into that
meat-grinder may work eventually but there has to
be a better way to get this done. Allowing the
radical muslims to gain a foothold there is
something we would seriously regret later on)

Out of the top Republican contenders we have
Giulaini
Thompson
Romney
McCain?

Two of which are moderate-liberals, one has
anger issues that make Howard Dean look like
a monk and the last is having to be dragged onto
his feet and pushed out the door just to get
him moving. How we need another Ronald Reagan.

COME ON PEOPLE!

Not thirty seconds before he said "Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety." He called gun ownership "A CONSITUTIONAL RIGHT."

GOD CALM DOWN, the article has limited space and picks out its quotes. Go read the whole speech before you complain.

"Your right to bare arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety,"? Is there something going on in the shirt industry that we don't know about?

If you want to control the biggest nuclear arsenal on earth, it makes sense to be pro-guns.
Are you listening Mr Ahmadinijad?

MRC you still wearing thast tinfoil on your head? Remember that?????? There still listening......

For those that say Dr. Paul is unelectable and therefore should compromise their vote are buying into the propaganda promulgated by the power elite. If you believe in the constitution and the rule of law, there is only one candidate that fully and consistently adheres to these principles. If not, then by all means sell out this country and vote for the corporate sponsored toadies. Remember, a vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil.

Ron Paul 2008

A D Buck,

Why not Fred Thompson? Newt is just as polarizing as Hillary is.

It's quite simple!

GUN CONTROL = A FIRM GRIP AND GOOD TRIGGER CONTROL!

AND PRACTCE, PRACTICE AND PRACTICE!

Rudy Giulaini is a 'flip flopper' and he will say anything to get elected.

Rudy is an authoritarian of the highest order.
He WILL take away our 2nd amendment right as it is intended in the constitution. Do not buy into what these politicians say. Look at what their actual record shows. Rudy does not think everyone has a right to keep and bare arms.

"Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority" - Rudy Giuliani

Read this book if you have any questions about what freedoms and liberties Giuliani may take away if elected POTUS.
http://www.amazon.com/Conservatives-Without-Conscience-John-Dean/dp/0670037745

Somebody at The Atlantic needs to go back to school and take the spelling test again. Rudy Giuliani, whatever his faults, has never denied anyone the right to "bare arms". I have been walking around sleeveless in Manhattan all summer long and did the same in the years Giuliani was in command around here.

I am, however, glad to hear that his views on my right to "bear arms" have moved forward.

Once again Rudy has demonstrated his contempt for law abiding gun owners. Note to Rudy and his handlers; no, we really are not that stupid. And no, we don't believe a word of it.

Anonymous,

It is the United STATES Constitiution. Not the Feferal constitution. It is guideline for States which makes up the federal Representative Republic( not democracy liberals). The US constitution gives the States the rights to create their own laws based on this guideline. Our forefathers never intended to make the Nation a whole government, governed centrally. That is why we have Congress. But I understand your logic.

What we say here means next to nothing. I dare say none of us is an expert in Constitutional Law, and all of us get our "facts" from various media sources (which stopped giving us facts years ago). If we want to make our opinions count, let's take our butts to the election booths next fall and vote!

I'll keep my guns in my house..(to fend off invaders or fascists within my own country) I was in the Infantry with the US Army and I believe any service member, or anyone with a competant internet search tool can read the oath we take upon enlistment. One particular line comes to mind "...I will defend constitution and the people of the United States from all enemies, both foriegn and -domestic-"

Keep your religion out of my politics, keep your hands off my firearms and for the love of Pete, if your going to kick another country into the ground, please have a valid reason for it?!?!

any liberal who is against gun ownership should ask himself, "do you want george w. bush to have all the weapons?" i sure as hell do not! this make-believe conservative administration illustrates exactly why we need the second amendment! with the gov't taping our phones, monitoring our internet and credit card use, checking what we're borrowing from the library, and holding people indefinitely without even being charged with anything, it's good for the people to be armed. a dictatorship rises when the people fear the government. freedom rises when the gov't fears the people!

Still waiting for an answer, David. Did the facts get in the way of your convictions again?

Democrat here. Rudy is not Bush 2.0, he is Cheney 2.0.
As far as MoveOn ad. In bad taste but please take a look at the First Amendment Rudy

Anonymous:
Parker v. District of Columbia is now being considered by the Supreme Court. If it takes this case, then its decision will determine State law. It appears that they will affirm.
The 14th amendment is the lens through which every other amendments is viewed. It clearly encompasses the 2nd amendment.
jim

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety"

What? The right to bear arms is based on the constitution, dumbass!

I believe wholeheartedly that Mayor Giulaini wants to protect our country from terrorists. However, when he maintained the Sullivan Act mandating a year in Jail for anyone who knowingly possessed a handgun without a carry permit (impossible to obtain in NY), he is not supportive of the NRA. When he said that as President, what applied in NY, doesn't necessary have to apply to the nation as a whole, I am not so sure. He stated that he would leave gun rights to the states, that's admirable. However, the second amendment is clear as all the other 9 Bill of rights, it's individual, inalieable. That means the right is given by god, not government. The Bill of rights is not living and breathing, it is absolute or we no longer live in our Republic (not a democracy as the left would have you believe).I support Guiliani as a President but his gun rights stance is questionable.
Andrew Howard

Which is worse----Rudy who flip flops on gun control or Hilary who will neverchange her anti gun position?


John

"I believe that law endforcement should focus on enforcing the laws that exist on the books as opposed to passing new extensions of laws," he said. "A person's home is their castle. They have the right to protect themselves in their own home."

sorry, NO. you have the right to protect yourself ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE YOU GO. PERIOD. g's newfound "enlightenment" on the gun issue is NOTHING more than pandering in hopes of getting support from the NRA and gun owners, so that he can get his hypocritical corrupt arse into bigger government and push his agenda still further.

no intelligent person should buy into this twaddle. guiliani's record on the gun issue is CLEAR. VERY CLEAR. he's anti-gun. period. screw his lying arse.

When a politician gets up infront of a podium and suggests a sanction against a difference of opinion, Ladies and Gentlemen it is a sign of a democracy which is on the verge of collapse. I beg you my fellow Americans, lets stick together and protect the only democracy in the world, if we loose it the world will loose it. I love Republicans and i love democrats, because we are here today a super power because of both parties working together, but i am beginning to notice that we are falling apart slowly. So Please call your elected officials and express this point. A person or an organization has every right to express their feelings whether we like it or not. It is what makes america a gift to the world. God bless America.

"Giuliani said that MoveOn.org's ad criticizing Gen. Petreaus was out of bounds and hinted that the group should face some sort of sanction."

Hmm, has Rudy forgotten the First Amendment in his patheticaly transparent rush to expand the meaning of Second Amendment?

No Rudy. I don't believe you. I don't trust you. Frankly, I fear your stances on "security" and the role of the state, more than I fear being blown up by one of those so called "terrorists".

Keep your filthy paws off my guns. Keep your prying eyes out of my sock drawer, and keep your ever listening ears away from my telephone calls.

My Dear Anon,

Our rights enumerated in our Constitution are God given, no man wearing robes or not has the right to infringe upon them.

The great and divinely inspired founders of this Republic look down upon us with shame. They weep for us as we have become a nation of sheep being the servants of government rather that the reverse as it was designed to be.

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." Samuel Adams

"What have you given us, Dr. Franklin? A monarchy or a republic?" Franklin’s answer: "A republic, Madam – if you can keep it."

.....

SAM

you too are mistaken. See my posts earlier. 2nd amendment _explicitly_ says the federal government cannot infringe the state's regulation of a militia and the people's right to bear arms.

The actual states themselves can pretty much try whatever they want. It's up to the courts and the state legislatures, not presidential nominees (or presidents for that matter) to decide.

Rudy a Republican? Yeah right! He's a RINO! Some people may believe his line of bs, but not a single soul that knows anything about him. Just the "FUDDS". The idiot will do and say anything to get elected! He can't even run his own life, how the hell can he run the country?!!!!!

hey R, hate to break it to you but you need laws to convict criminals.

You wanna throw all the gun laws out the window?

What are you gonna do if a cop catches a gun dealer with a trunk-load of fully automatic assault weapons?

Without a law saying its illegal the officer cant do a thing.

Two days later that dealer sells a gun to a man who goes and shoots up your daughters school...

We're a nation of laws R. You're right not everyone follows them but that does not mean there should not be any

Hmmmm.

""Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety," he said."

MY right to bear arms is based on the 2nd Amendment of the United States Constitution and has NOTHING to do with any "reasonable degree of safety".

What a schmuck.

Any of you folks falling for this mealy-mouth crap?

Rudy, Mitt, Obama, Clinton, it does not matter. Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that "there's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters, banning books like "America Deceived' from Amazon, stealing private lands (Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason. Support Dr. Ron Paul and save this great country..
Last link (before Google Books bends to gov't Will and drops the title):
America Deceived (book)

Jukia,

Yes we have the First Amendment right to print or say what we want. Your a blue sheep. See I jsut said what I wanted. Are you offended? But can you even quote the First Amendment or any ohter Atrticles or Amendments or is this something you've heared on E! Entertainment? The Advertizment was against a guy who actually fought and killed people for you to be able to get on this site and write your words. Do liberals have any repsect for anyone that defends their rights or does their freedom given to them just come without cost. He did not deserve this Advertisement. HE is not a politician.

Tony V.
But remember that Mr. Giuliani is a lawyer and he is used to being precise in his language. If not then he should so indicate.
When he says "based" that means the basis for one's right as used in his sentence.
This is the basic argument over the Constitution--how to interpret it. Do we interpret according to its original intent or interpret it in a sloppy way that even Mr. Giuliani seems to do?
Giuliani's way seems dangerous to me!
jim

It appears many gun owners believe only conservative own guns. In fact there are millions of gun owning liberals who are law abiding citizens like millions of conservatives. There are even liberals in the military fighting in Iraq. Perhaps some liberals want guns taken away but most just want them 'well-regulated'. This is nothing law abiding liberal or conservative gun owners should be concerned with. I generally feel safer around calm, happy people rather than intense, angry people full of vitriol. Perhaps people who owned guns would do themselves a favor if they just sounded nicer and didn't sound so ready to use their guns against people who simply use their freedom of speech (something many liberals and conservatives have died to preserve). After all many gun owners want to use guns to protect freedom of speech, amongst other rights, but then seem to use very abrasive and threatening speech against those who simply express a different opinion. Clearly a police officer will want to remove guns from anyone who appears a threat to individuals or society. If you're a nice, friendly, congenial fellow who would want to take your gun away?

A skunk never changes it's stink, even if he changes his colors

don't get hung up on gun control. it is a wedge-issue. the 2nd amendment makes it clear that we have a right to bear arms. the 14th amendment makes it clear that the states have to abide by all the other amendments. i know it scares a lot of people, but gun control is not a bad thing. it is not unreasonable to do background checks on people buying potentially deadly items. luckily, democrats know it is a sensitive issue to us "middle-americans," so nobody is gonna be taking our guns. if they try to, we can always shoot them :-) seriously, let's try to bridge the red/blue divide in this country and get things back on track before it is too late.

The press acts like Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Rudolph Giuliani, John McCain, Barack Obama, W. Mitt Romney, and Fred Thompson are the only ones running.

Not so! This time you have two real choices---Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo! Do yourselves a favor and check out these two candidates. This may be your last chance to rescue America.

Regards, The Old Prospector

Another NRA member says this guy is a joke. Does he really think anyone buys this B.S.?

I guess this is what the right use to call a flip flop. I am sure we won't be hearing that term on Fair and Balanced Fox news.

Attempted to trackback to you from my blog with no success. Haloscan does not like any of your trackback urls.

Sounds like Rudy is just playing the tune he thinks you want to hear. He won't change. Just like he won't change on illegal aliens.

He likely won't get my vote. No matter how two-faced he is on the surface, it's easy to see the political BS meter shooting into the red.

Sorry, but I will vote for the only candidate that TRULY believes in gun control and immigration issues. someone who at least when he hires immigerants to landscape his yard, he knows they are not in this country illegally. Mitt Romney for President! March onwards, Christian soldiers!!

Rudy is just too damn liberal on most social issues, although given the choice between him and ANY Dem, I'd take him. Everyone should have the right to bear arms, BUT every person who wants a gun should have to go through the concealed weapons permit program: a waiting period, firearm training, and safety training. I do not think that is too much to ask.

Our rights are derived from our creator and they are unalienable. They cannot be taken away or revoked by any person, politician, or government.

The Bill Of Rights simply affirm those rights.

In the end, it is the people who decide.

Anyone who thinks Rudy is a Patriot is deluded and foolish. RON PAUL is the only true blue red blooded American conservative worthy to hold the office of the presidency PERIOD!

"I wonder how the students at Delaware State feel out guns.."

Probably wish they had some with which to protect themselves, instead of being locked down, waiting for the criminal to decide to gain a bit more notoriety by shooting some more people rendered into the helpless fish in a barrel they are by nutjob leftists and supporters of gun control. The one and only place my wife is disarmed is when she is at work, teaching and being held responsposible for the protection of the children in her care, while the only truly effective tool she has to offer that protection has been stripped from her by those who relish the victim creation zones they have created. The left has turned our schools into shooting galleries for every nutjob who wants to see himself on TV, and who knows that he can cause untold havoc in any school in this nation without fear of facing a citizen witht he tools to actually defend themselves. Should my wife, an expert pistol and rifle shot, a woman trained by ex-federal law enforcement officers and SWAT team members in how and when to shoot or not shoot, ever face such a situation at work, she will fall defending her children with utter ineffectiveness, unarmed and defenseless, just another in a long list of names of victims of the American left and the gun control psychopaths. And while she dies, children and teachers in other classrooms will be "locked down," waiting their turn to be victims of a nutjob that could and should have been stopped by an armed citizen and the leftist gun controllers who empower such criminals.

Aw, him run away with he little tail between he legs.

Crap. Now I'll probably get sued for making him feel bad.

Don't trust the man. You can always tell a true politician; they will say anything, do anything, kiss anything to get elected. We have too many politicians now, what we need are Statesmen. People who are concerned about doing the peoples' business and not concerned about their own legacy or political future. No thanks, but nice try. He along with too many of the candidates on both sides have a history of saying one thing and doing another. If you fall for this lame attempt at pandering you will fall for just about anything.

jim,

SCOTUS taking Parker v. DC is news to me. Interesting. What's also interesting is that Washington DC is not a state. They are governed by the United States Legislature. As such, a SCOTUS ruling, procedurally, may only impact the D.C. circuit law. Sure, it will be HIGHLY influential on the other circuits across the country, but by no means must every state adopt the D.C. Circuit's ruling, or the Supreme Court's ruling.

In any event, there will be no ruling on State law since D.C. is not a state.

ALl of you folks that love to quot ethe 2nd Amendment should actually read the entire amendment. It says.... "Amendment II (the Second Amendment) of the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, declares "a well regulated militia" as "being necessary to the security of a free State", and prohibits Congress or any other government agency from infringement of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms." How many of you are part of a well regulated militia? My guess would hardly any.....the amendment simply doesn't give anyone the right to own a gun and if you read the entire amendment you would see that.

"MRC you still wearing thast tinfoil on your head? Remember that?????? There still listening......" Tinfoil ehh!? I seriously doubt that will help any against all the illegal wire tapping that's been going on with the current administration - which I'm sure Rudy would only be more than happy to continue. Seriously, don't you want your children or your children's children to have any rights left or are you content to sit back and let big government run everything they do.

Go Rudy Go! Let's kill ALL the Arabs. With all of our citizens (except arab ones) armed to the teeth, we should be able to do that!

Vote for the ONLY politician that cares about you or the constitution...Ron Paul in 2008!

Mundy01,

With all due respect, your thinking is exactly what is wrong with our elections. Because of people like you politicians don't need to be held to the standards they should. Whatever happened to electing the best person for the job? ...not the best financed by interest groups. I realize politics & the real world is dirty, but come on.

How did it come to pass that we allow the media and high profile talking heads to decide for us who are the front runners and who is electable ...even before the first candidate starts his/her campaign?

So many people know that after listening and researching all the candidates that Rudy, Fred, and Mitt are not the guys for the job. Yes, any of them would be better than socialist democrats running on the democrat / socialist ticket.

It's just a shame that we are so pliable... that we so easily accept the spoon fed premises from the very organizations that are taking the money from said front runners.

Ron Paul has the best track record, the best policy for tax paying citizens, the best integrity, and most straight talk than any of the so-called front runners. Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter are also better choices for those who are tax paying citizens.

The media favorites are big government globalists interested in global money...the same interests as the corporations that fund their campaigns and the same interests of the media companies that cover them and run their ads.

Mundy, I liken your thinking to this scenario:

Teacher: Would you and like carrots or spinach?
Kids: We would like corn?
Mom: There are two choices...carrots and spinach
Teacher: But there is corn over there and it is much better. Especially better than spinach.
Teacher: You don't want that corn. Ignore the corn. The only real choices are peas and carrots. If some of you vote for corn than you all might get stuck with spinach.
Kids: OK, Carrots.

Corn sits on table...nobody ever knowing how good it might have been.

The guy is a joke. Republicans are destroying America with their racism(immigration), and war mongering(Iraq). Let's kick them out once and for good!

So I should trust a politician who goes any old way the wind blows? No thank you. My right to own a firearm is protected by the Constitution, not by the political necessity of the moment. Guliani is not to be trusted.

Why should I trust anything that any of the candidates, Republican or Democrat, say about my Second Amendment rights? What would the press be saying if a candidate said the First Amendment was subject to interpretation and change according to the heat of the moment?

Anon,

It does not say Federal governmnet in Amendment II unless the copy of the USC in front of me is wrong. I did not read your post earlier. But I do find your logic intelligent and thoughtful. I am not really commneting on the article per se. I am commenting on the USC which was Ratiifed by the STATES not the central federal i.e. govt we have today. Which in my opinion is sad. Don't you think? I am a big fan of individual State rights. IF Florida want to ban something that is not guidlined by the USC it should be able to do so without a USSC court review. State supreme courts get matters of state consitutional law before the Federal SIRCUT lol.. courts do. But I belive in litteral reading of the documnet rather than wholesale interpretation.

Good thing Rudy "Evolves" instead of "Flip Flopping" like John Kerry.

This shows again why Republicans are intellectually superior to the Democrat party, because we are not hypocrites!

John Q - do you honestly believe the government had to make an amendment to the Constitution so that
they could arm their military forces and keep themselves from infringing on the military's right to keep and bear arms???? Really??????

Also, it says "the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms" not the right of "the militia".

i have owned longguns, shotguns and a handgun or two for over 55 years and enjoyed hunting and target use. however i never felt threatened over encroachment of my rights and nothing has changed in that respect.i have a gut feeling that most of these posters that have spoken out against the mayor's statemnts are anti republican and most likely never owned a firearm.it makes perfectly good sense, you'd be hard put to find a democrit pol.that favors gun ownership, their too much into collectivism rather than individualism.
UP THE NRA!

Rudy: If you are now a sincere 2nd Amendment convertee, you should immediately repeal the Sullivan Act which was established in 1911 to effectively disarm all but a "favored few" N.Y. City residents.

Umm...what are you paranoid people 'protecting' yourselves from? I am no expert, I beleive there are more accidental deaths, in the homes of 'responsible', law abiding gun owners, than perpetrators being stopped. The law is antiquated. Get over it and move on. OUTLAW ALL HANDGUNS!!!! They have one pupose, killing humans. I don't see how our forefathers intended this, especially given the fact that we no long need to protect ourselves from colonial impreialsist any longer (the real reason that law even exists).

Rudy is tuff on criminals and crime and of course that inclines one to want to keep weapons of mass desruction out of their hands.

AK 47s are weapons of mass destruction! No doubt about it.

And if a hunter or sportsmans wants to have one they shoud go through background checks.

The NRA should fear any "moderate" Democrat 3x as much as any "liberal" Republican when it comes to the right to bare arms.

jim, again...

14th is the lens, yes, but it does not making binding ALL the amendments. Years ago the supreme court was one vote shy of adopting the Total Incorporation Doctrine that would have made all provisions of the Bill of Rights binding upon the states. To this day, no majority has adopted Total Incorporation...only select provisions of the bill of rights are binding:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_incorporation

John Q, if you read the 2nd Amendment, and then read a history book, you might realize the "well-regulated militia" doesn't refer to the Natl. Guard...the militias from the Revolution were common people who came together to fight tyranny...farmers, merchants, blacksmiths,etc., not weekend warriors getting money for college..."A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Clint,

We "paranoid people" are protecting ourselves from corrupt leaders who do not listen to the will of the people (like George W. Bush), just as the framers of this country intended.

Rudy, save your breath and our time. You're no conservative. Vote for Ron Paul if you want someone who is consistent on this issue.

Funny how Rudy gets a "lovey dovey" call from his current wife, when NONE of his children will support his Presidential bid and when he cheated on both his ex wives.

Can you say "flip flopping hypocrite"?

walt; it's democrit's nest ,even an armed envasion wouldn't change their minds.

Some jearks just dont get it. Yes moveon has the freedom of speech but with that comes responsibility. You can not yell fire in a crowded movie theater. Gun ownership come with like responsibilities.

they aren't our "gun rights" they are our "civil rights" as individuals, and it was attorney general Thornberg who was Nixons attorney general that first decided they weren't individual rights.

The funny thing is that where guns are illegal, the criminals committing crimes are the only ones that have them...hmmm...

Some of you say the decision in '08 will be between Rudy (the mobster) and Hillary(the lesbian leftist). That is like asking whether you prefer to be bitten by a rattlesnake or a copperhead! Me? I am going to vote for Ron Paul, even if I have to write him in! I will vote for him on PRINCIPLE, whether he has a chance of being elected or not. That way I have the right to complain about the results IF either of these snakes get elected. That way when some of us stand up and revolt against the police state that will come with EITHER of the others, I can do so with a clear conscience that I did NOT vote for them. I would rather die on my feet than crawl on my knees!

MRC it is you.... You need to lighten up man. I was making a joke based on the past time we barbed. No ill intent.

Just let all the Muslim Is-lamo Fascist call back to east and tell them that mrc said it was ok to plan terrorist attacks against us and our children. We won't listen to their calls. If the wiretapping gets out of hand, we do have a constitutioal right to overthrow the govt. Maybe you can be the point man.OH wait the liberals don't want us to have guns. Seems like that is what you wan to do. We have to use our school protractors to poke their eyes out. Do you think the democrats are less intrusive in our lives? BE intellectually honest dude. Ansewer that seriously.

Jimmy,

Huh? How was MoveOn's ad anything like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater?!? No matter how stupid the ad might have been, it is protected under the first amendment. The bill of rights is not a buffet. We can't pick and choose the one we want. And it is irresponsible to use the "fire in a crowded theater" card whenever you don't agree with something.

FLIP-FLOP! Typical politician. Somebody should explain to Mr. Giuliani that the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is not "qualified" by "a reasonable degree of safety." (A concept which would obviously be open to interpretation and abuse.) It is assumed that our Rights under the Contitution are inherent in each and every citizen. Until we prove otherwise, we are ASSUMED to be "safe." Same thing with free speech, religious freedom, etc.

I'd like to see a nominee whose views don't have to conveniently "evolve" to jibe with the Constitution.

Yeah right Rudy still talking out of both sides of your mouth! Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety. Thanks for saying that it lets me know where not to vote. Also, MoveOn.org can say what they want its the first amendment or have we forgot about that. We may not agree or like it but that is the way it goes. Once you take the guns then goes the speech.

The only honest top tier candidate:

Ron Paul! Freedom!! Ron Paul! Freedom!! Ron Paul! Freedom!! Ron Paul! Freedom!!

Abbie Hoffman said, "Freedom of speech is the right to scream 'Theater' in a crowded fire."

Sam,

States ratified the constitution, yes. But, they ratified within the constitution the Commerce Clause, the Supremacy Clause, Full Faith and Credit Clause, etc. Those clauses are DIRECT imposition of Federal control on the states. As such, there is no such thing as purely indendent state. Federal constitution basically means (insert state) may do whatever it wants as long as the (whatever the state does) does not infringe on federal government authority. Not to mention that the federal government is free to ignore those instances when the states DO infringe on federal authority. Regardless, all states rights and obligations are secondary to the federal government unless specifically granted to the states within the text, or else textually silent and impliedly reserved by the states.

I'm not expressing any opinion as to which I agree. My purpose is to show what the truth IS, and that gun control in presidential politics is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS, and that this wedge issue has proponents/opponents barking up the wrong tree.

Rudy: You say "A person's home is their castle. They have the right to protect themselves in their own home."

And yet you support warrantless wiretapping and eavesdropping? Aren't those invasions into your home/ castle by the government.

You, the self proclaimed "Hero" of 9/11 do not make sense.

Remember the first and foremost reason the 2nd amendment was written was to protect citizens from the tyranny of government.

To the anonymous person, (who said our country will further deteriorate, if Giuliani 2.0 wins)

Why don't you try and be the Commander In Chief, and deal with all the worlds problems, and see how tuff and stressful it is to run a country.

If you don't know politics/history....keep your liberal opinions to yourself. A republican who cares.

Clint, you're right. You are no expert.

Wait. Soon we will see Rudy in hunting outfit. Ha-ha-ha. The way you treated gun owners in NYC may cost you an election, Mr Mayor.

"John Q, if you read the 2nd Amendment, and then read a history book, you might realize the "well-regulated militia" doesn't refer to the Natl. Guard...the militias from the Revolution were common people who came together to fight tyranny...farmers, merchants, blacksmiths,etc., not weekend warriors getting money for college..."A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

How many of us could muster with a proper rifle that could fire the standard cartridge of the US military? If the militia consists of able-bodied men who are armed with a rifle, then I guess we all know what that rifle should be. It's your right and duty as a citizen to own such a gun. Wait a minute, isn't that the very weapon that politicians from both parties are trying to ban?

Oh, and I'm just as liberal as they get, so darned liberal that I don't trust anyone to tell me what my rights are. I know my rights and won't concede what is mine to any prince or politician.

Violent crime is again increasing in most of our major cities, mostly run by the democrat machinery. They have become havens for illegal aliens and ghetto punks with guns. I try not to go into any major city, but when I do it is always with my Glock 26 and 2 extra clips.Thanks to Lyndon Johnson , the Great society democrat, I received extensive weapons training and combat training in the late 60's. I have a concealed carry permit, which means I am one of the few who can pass an FBI background check , when I venture into the hood. I find it laughable that libs get upset because I want the right to carry the same weapons that protect Hillary Clinton and Rosie Odonnel everyday, Difference being that I know which end the bullet comes out.

A returning American soldier comes home from killing Nazi's in WWII & asks his wife to ge get the Red Rider BB gun he bought for his son last X-Mas - he wants to teach his son marksmenship. The wife responds, "sorry it's illegal now to play with BB guns - they can put you in jail for that". The returning soldier than says, "OK - so get my dog, I'm going to the park to play fetch with him". The wife responds, "it's illegal now to play fetch with your dog at the park - they can put you in jail for that". Disturbed by this... the soldier then tells his wife he's going down to the corner tavern to have a beer & a smoke, but the wife quickly interupts, "it's now illegal to have a beer & a smoke in the bar - they can put you in jail for that". The angry soldier than says - "honey get my gun - while we were fighting the Nazi's, the Commie's must have took over the country!

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety," he said.

What sort of gibberish is that? I know he is capable of speaking clearly. It's disturbing that he is so evasive here.

Our right to bear arms is based on natural law and the Constitution.

Well I think I'll just go out and buy another case of ammo to celebrate. Prepare yourselves one and all for a very bleak looking future.

Typical! Free guns for everyone, free speech for no one! As the 3rd generation of my family to serve (my father served with Gen. Petreaus actually) I GUARANTEE you the General would say the reason he fights for America is so MoveOn can pose that Question (Seems conservatives need a lesson in punctuation, question mark is not a statement, look at the ad and then actually read it!)

Love that tired Constitutional rational for 300,000,000 guns in America. Wonder how it applies to today????

Text of the 2nd Amendment:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

So we have 50 State Militias???

Hey Tom P: I live in NC, and have the concealed carry permit. Carjackings dropped. As to the other crimes you said SHOULD have dropped -- a few points: maybe the victims were unarmed. Maybe the victims were known by the attackers as unarmed. MemoMachine: your right to keep and bear arms is not based on the constitution- the constitution merely promises to PROTECT that right of birth. Being alive is all that is required to have the rights to protect self by any means necessary from criminal attack. The 2nd amendment also points out our DUTY as citizens to be armed. With the most modern weapons each of us can afford. God damn the democrats- whether they pretend to be Americans or not.


Hey Mr. Rudy Sir, incase you don't know it you being an Ex-Prosecuting Attorney and all that, but the 2nd Admendment guarantees us the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

And, while I am on it, it really bothered me that under your tenure NYC became a Sanctuary City for Illegal Immigrants, and it also bothers me that your son and daughter are not closer, not to mention; you've been married 3 times and have a Trophy Wife, because a single Presidential Candidate won't have a chance.

And, while we are at it, Romney reminds me of a Used Car Salesman, and danggit, Fred just looks tired.

But, come Nov. 2008 I will hold my nose and vote Republican, not because I want to, but the alternative will be Hillary and Free Healthcare for all Americans, and coming back from Iraq with our tails between our legs.

[quote]
Giulaini explained the lawsuit he initiated in 2000 against gun manufacturers by saying that he was "excessive in everyway that I could think of in order to reduce crime" but said that "intervening events" like September 11th had caused his views to evolve.[/quote]

My primary concern is that if one experience could drive him to change his views TOWARD gun rights, what will be the next event to that will drive him AWAY from the 2nd Amendment?

Rudy states that it is the right of every American to defend their home, but what about defending ourselves when we are NOT at home. We don't get to defend ourselves then?

I think he's still leaving himself a major out here. Intentionally vague so that he can't really be held accountable for what he says if he changes his mind at a later date, IMO.

Thumbs down!!

Bigmarunga,

Your statements are simply not true. I highly recommend the book "Freakanomics" for an interesting perspective on abortion's role in the reduction of crime.

ANON,

Agreed to this argument because I made the same in my previous quotes i.e. State guidline. I just put it simply for others to understand. We are in the same boat on that these pres candidites saying promises that are not under thier authority. It was nice conversing with you. Now get MRC to because I leaving and he is babbling.lol Take care.

John Q:

Perhaps you should take some reading lessons. The Second Amendment reads:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Four parts

1. A well regulated Militia,
2. being necessary to the security of a free State,
3. the right of the people to keep and bear Arms,
4. shall not be infringed.

Part 1 is in reference to part 2. Part 3 is in reference to part 4.

This breaks it down to two clauses:

"A well regulated Militia is necessary for the security of a free State."

and

"The right of the people to keep and bear Arms SHALL NOT be infringed."

Rudy is a RINO.

The ONLY WAY that we are going to rid our party of RINOs is to sit on our hands if Rudy gets the nod. If it takes four years of Hitlary to shake up America and Americans, so be it. We deserve it.

Rudy is a social liberal NOT a Reagan Republican.

Sorry Rudy, I pass.

Skip asked: "How does one distinguish between sincere "evolution" of thinking and politically expedient flip-flopping?"

My answer: Watch what he does when he has power.

For me, gun rights is an overriding issue. Before Rudy can get my support for a presidential run, with his anti-gun track record, he must exercise power in a lower office in a way that shows he really believes in the right to keep and BEAR arms, understands the right, and actually promotes it.

Which means he can't get my support this election. He must go back to a farm team and work his way up.

(And while he's at it he needs to work on his border security position. The whole "War on Terror" is a joke when the barn door is open to the tune of a million or more infiltrators per year.)

At the moment my top pick is Ron Paul, and I might be convinced to support Tancredo. I have yet to be convinced that any of the others have what it takes on the gun issue.

Unless a major party candidate has a solid pro gun rights RECORD I'm perfectly willing to stay home and let the two devils fight it out without my support for either - or vote for a minor party candidate to show them there is a vote they COULD have had and how to go about getting it next time around.

Meanwhile, Ron Paul has a lot of grass roots support, contributions, and consistently wins "who won the debate" polls (including those that only accept one vote per phone number or IP address and thus can't be easily hacked by repeat voting). Let's see how he does in the primaries before declaring him unelectable.

Hey Frank,
I'm a gun dealer, and I drive around with a trunkload of fully automatic machine guns all the time! (Well, maybe not an entire trunkload). But I personally own several, and have several more for sale. And guess what? It's perfectly legal, you idiot! At least in my state and 34 others, anyway. Laws are not the problem. If you get drunk and kill someone while driving, can the family sue Chevrolet and the dealer who sold you your car? Learn what the hell you're talking about!

Next thing you know he'll be visiting black churches for Sunday Mass.

He is a good man who knows what rights and privileges the peoples should have and not have regardless of those given by God and enumerated in The Constitution.

Plus, he lisps and stutters like George Soros.

Fidel, Raul, and I highly endorse him!

While it is not an M-16, M-4, or AK-47, a rifle with a scope (be it a .243, .30-06, or .308) serves pretty well for precise shooting...I don't advocate violence in the slightest, I'm just sayingif you have to defend yourself, you don't need automatic weapons, just good aim

re: Thomas

Just what we need, a man driving around with a pickup truck filled with fully loaded machine guns who gets belligerent with a complete stranger on an internet posting.

Rudy Giuliani is the only candidate that has any chance of beating Hillary. A vote for anybody else will be a vote for her. If you don't know what that means you should look on the internet.
She is a deciple of George Soros. She is his A team, Obama is his B team.

More people have died in Ted Kennedy's car or Clinotn's staff than by my gun.

Hey, Liberals suck. Plain and simple. They have values closely aligned with communism. I sure hope a conservative gets into the White House. I fear for my safety and well being of this country if not. Obama has no experience and Hillary can't even control her husband, how does she think that she is going to control the free-world?

He will backtrack and stab the legal gun owners in the back. He is a politican, therefore he is a liar.

Flip Flop Rudy
Ron Paul is the right choice for America

Steve

JOHN Q.

Read "Armed America." The man who wrote it is a bonafide HISTORIAN and has plenty of material in his book showing how early colonial America called up its citizens and often PROVIDED guns and ammo for those who could not afford them. Then they were put into a militia and trained.

Citizen Soldiers, just everyday joes and janes.

To Mark Denton: The word state in the 2nd Amendment is misused by folks like you to try to justify treasonous thinking.
Security of a free state: means: safety of the condition known as freedom. Man is found in three states just as water is. Water's states are solid,liquid and vapor. No other condtions of water exist. Man's states are Free, Slave, and dead. Get it? The Militia is all the citizenry (now women are emancipated) from ages 18 to too old to fight in defense of self, city, state, nation. Now re-read the second amendment and try to comprehend how your disarmed state is treason before we find you.

Rudy was wishy-washy on the answers to even the simplest questions and refused to admit that his lawsuit was ill-founded. He repeatedly acknowledged his significant differences with the pro-gun lobby. He has not flip-flopped, he is just plain and simple anti-gun. He preached an anti-freedom message by pandering to supposed expectations of security. Then Ashcroft came on stage and blew him up by pointing out that security arises from freedoms and not vice-versa.

Ron Paul, of course, was not invited. I guess they didn't want people to notice that he stands head and shoulders above almost all of the other candidates. Although Huckabee's speech was outstanding and he and Bill Richardson (by videotape) gave strong performances.

Your right wing whackos are a hoot. It is OK if a republican flip flops, as long as now they profess to agree with your narrow minded view.

Some day the courts will drive home what is the bottom line truth: the constitution does not give you the unfettered right to own guns.

I have been a NRA member for 30 years.

If the NRA endorses Rudy I will resign my membership.

I doubt if I will have to follow through with that promise cause RICO Rudy's carefully crafted position on gun control is a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

Mark, I think the original idea was that all able-bodied men in a town would form a militia, be well trained with a chain of command, and would thusly be ready to defend their state should the governor deem it necessary...

Mike,
I don't drive a pick-up truck and they are never loaded in the car. Your stereotypes are way off, my friend. It just irritates me when people spout off about things they know nothing about.

Ahmed, however on Earth did you come across that little chunk of "truth"?

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to
1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves,
were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917,
1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945,
a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend
themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952,
20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves,
were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981,
100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979,
300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977,
one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th
Century because of gun control: 56 million. It has now been over
12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law
to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their
own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more
than $500 million.

The first year results are now in.

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now
up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned
them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns.

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the
past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is
unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and
assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain
how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and
money was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns.

The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians
spreading this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind
them of this history lesson. With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them,
we are 'subjects'.

During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because
they knew most Americans were armed.

Thomas,

Good post. Liberals like Frank are hoplophobic and act accordingly.

"I'm reading these liberal minded idiots and they're comments about gun control (not many on the subject itself) ....all they can focus on is George Bush ! THANK GOD FOR GB .....you mindless robots of the 'left' have little or no clue about what this country and the world are facing, because you are protected by people who lay their lifes on the line everyday for you. YOU DISGUST ME TO NO END!! IF YOU HATE AMERICA SO MUCH ...JUST LEAVE !!!"

First of all, 'liberal-minded' is hyphenated. Second of all, you conservatives are the mindless robots as well as a bunch of stubborn, scared pu$$ies. All you do is blindly follow authority (little reminder: this country was founded on the exact opposite of blindly following authority). You believe that Bush's policies protect us when, in fact, they have emboldened the terrorists and have turned the World against us. Bush's policies on terrorism only focus on the symptoms (stopping terrorists) and not the disease (giving the terrorists good reason to hate us). I would rather take my chances with the wako terrorists than loose my Constutional rights Amendment by Amendment. In fact I would rather die that see my country's Constutution torn apart by a bunch of oil hicks and mobsters that are claiming it's for our 'protection.' They can stick their bogus policies up their corrupt wazzoos! I'm a liberal-minded PATRIOT, a REAL PATRIOT that believes in acceptence and preservation of our Constitution...not that B.S. "Patriot Act." I also believe in the 2nd Amendment. Rudy is nobody to tell us that we're allowed to have a right to bear arms..we already know that...tell it to your New Yorkers who can't bear arms you hypocrite. Third of all, the soldiers are being used to fight and die for oil, not our freedom. You dumba$$e$ have caused this and won't even admit it. The soldiers (who would die for our freedom) are being misused by Bush to make he and his friends richer. Half of them know it and the other half deny it. Why do you think there have been so many suicides among our military personnel in Iraq. (Hint: it's not because it's tough over there--that's what they signed-up for--it's because they're not a bunch of dumba$$e$ like the people who believe that the soldiers are actually protecting our freedom here by being on the other side of the globe, and they know that, other than helping a few Iraqis, their presence in Iraq is absolutely meaningless--other than for the profits of Bush, Halliburton, Blackwater USA, and all the contractors who are raping our economy. Wkae up you fools!!!

One other question: Are Republicans allowed to have views that "evolved?"

I thought they had to be created as whackos.

Sorry, can't vote for pro-choice baby-murder, Rudy, or Gays forcing their sickness onto society.

The lie berals political correctness is pure b.s., and needs to be crushed in order to bring this nation back to the moral foundation it was built on.

Mitt's the man to do it!

Damn, I wish Condi rice would run for President!

Matt J!

You said:

Hey everyone,
Wake up ! Snap out of it ! It doesn't matter if their Democrats or Republicans anymore, they are all (but approximately 1%), liars and thieves.
They lie to us and rob us (on a grand scale) every day ! Day after day, week after week, year after year...etc...
They use these kind of sound bites for effect, they shepherd us back and forth, round and round chasing our tails ! They are pretty much all liars and corrupt robber-barrons. We just keep getting distrateced and tricked like little kids day after day...and keep electing them !
Look around you ! Our country is sinking because the lying, corrupt robbers who-we-keep-electing are selling it off (and selling us out), as we argue amongst ourselves this very minute.
Time to get off our rear ends and time to really pull together !
WAKE UP !

Ahmed N. Dengeris, you are an ASSHAT.

Read the CONstitution mook before you open your ass and speak.

ALL the candidates LEFT right or in-between will say ANY to get elected, Its NOT a right or left thing.
THE people that pay their bills and give them the MONEY to try and get elected drive them to what they will SAY and DO.

The problem today is there is NOT a leader amoung them. NONE have the guts to be a leader and speak there mind on any subject.

The biggest problem of all is extremist groups on the left and right like Moveon.org with there extremist views and agenda's polluting the mindless people and GUTLESS polititians with there attacks on anyone that doesn't have there views.

The 2nd amendment was brought forth for just such extremist groups, to keep them out of power and to keep the goverment in line as much as it is for the personal protection of the individual.

This country was formed by ARMED people , go and read the the start of the Declaration of the 13 United States of America.

Those were LEADERS and NOT the spineless power hungry sheep that are polititians today.

Where's Ronald Regan, John Kennedy or better yet Teddy Roosevelt when you need them, they were leaders.

Which is worse----Rudy who flip flops on gun control or Hilary who will neverchange her anti gun position?

Unless we are stupid enough to nominate Rudy, we'll never have to make that choice. How about we nominate somebody who is not a liberal Democrat in all but name?

I can very easily see a President Giuliani signing an "assault weapons" ban.

Thomas,

I apologize. I misread "trunkload" as truck load. But my point is, gun control is a wedge-issue. Gun ownership is a protected right; however, reasonable regulations are acceptable and necessary. Those who totally oppose guns are dangerously naive about the potential for a tyrannical gov't. Those who want to own bazookas scare me.

Too bad this friendly group couldn't all be sitting around a large room together to enjoy each others company and work towards resolving their differences. I mean everyone is for peace, right?

All of you one issue voters are going to give Hillary and Bill a free ride to the white house. The base of this party is killing us. Rudy is the only person that beats Hillary in the polls. Be very careful being a one issue voter. Whether we are talking abortion, gun control or border enforcement you one issue types are narrow minded. Look at people as a whole, vote for the one that meets most of your requirements and can beat Hillary, that person is Rudy. He is the only one to beat Hillary in 2008. WAKE UP!

Rudy IS a Fascist. I don't say this lightly. Look up the definition. He will remove any freedoms he views as in the way of law enforcement. He is a corporate shill. He is a racist - look at what police DID to reduce NY crime - and his wife was fired for anti-semitism. He wraps himself in a flag and false nationalism based on 911 just the way Hitler came to power after the burning of the Riechstadt. If Rudy wins - hang onto those guns because you will need them when his jackboots come for you.

Wow, so Rudy only came to this revolution after he decided he wanted to be a Republican President? Gee, that's not overly convenient.

The only candidate standing up for gun rights, sealing our border with Mexico, deporting illegal aliens, abolishing the IRS, and all the other great things that Rudy would never truly do is Ron Paul. If you haven't seen his positions yet and how he represents the last chance to save America then visit his website to learn more.

Ahmed N. Dengeris, your daddy should have rolled over and shot you out the window.

"Wkae up you fools!!!"--lol!!! Whoops! Well...I'm sure you people probably couldn't tell the difference between 'wkae' and 'wake' anyway.

Rudy....Our right to bear arms..."SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!!"

You're still a gun grabber. Reasonable safety indeed. Who gets to decide what is and isn't reasonable??? YOU!!!

Here's a thought...quit bickering over left vs. right BS, realize that's just meant to polarize us and vote for the only person that votes constitutionally-minded EVERY time he votes...Ron Paul!!! We need change, not more arguing...that's what got us where we are today!

A man who will stand upon an altar at a church he has chosen and swear an oath of marriage to God and to those present that he will remain monogomous, and then breaks that oath, not once, but SEVERAL times demonstrates not only that he is a patholgoical liar, but that he holds NOTHING sacred.
He was a liar before and he is a liar now.

`same `ol B.S., yawn.
Wake up folks ! It doesn't matter if they are Republicans or Democrats, they are lying to us and robbing us blind while they sell off our (OUR), nation piece by peice.
They tax us, lie to us and spend our money like we our not in debt for generations to come.
Time to set aside our differences and start pulling together. Aren't you tired of being divided and conquered yet ? We keep voting for these lying, robbing, corrupt pukes election after election.
Are we going to keep proving them right in their assumptions that we are all idiots ?
I'm WAY sick of it ! Unite and make them start representing us again !

Do any of you realize that the Second has the phrase 'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.'

Maybe you should all read the whole phrase before you demand your rights be protected, because I don't think the Framers were thinking that 'street sweepers' were in the interest of public safety. So unless you're patrolling the streets for invaders, then you don't need the guns.

Mike,
No worries. I agree that reasonable regulations are needed. That's why I am a licensed dealer, and gun owners don't have a problem with background checks. But once we're checked out as OK, people should BUTT OUT of what we own, bazookas included. And personally, I kind of like that I scare you a little. Ha-Ha

Way to go Rudy! The Clintons are corrupt narcissistic politicians who empowered China militarily, while weakening America's values and releasing criminals and terrorists from prisons. Rudy on the other hand, neutralized the mob in NYC, and showed true courage and leadership during 9-11. Rudy will be the next president!

Why is anyone who thinks Bush is a horrible president (who only pretends to be a conservative) liberal-minded? I am a true conservative; Bush is not. Those who choose to go down with the ship are loyal to GWB, not to conservatism. These are the people who are more concerned about getting rid of gays then they are about getting rid of the IRS.

"One other question: Are Republicans allowed to have views that "evolved?"

I thought they had to be created as whackos."

HA-HA-HA!!!!! Awesome brother!!! That's the best I've seen in a long time.

A + B = "militias need people to bear arms for the state"

this makes sense except why did 'well-regulated' get dropped again?

Thomas,

Maybe my stereotypes weren't that off after all? :-)

Just joking.

To all you folks who believe that Giuliani "got religion" about protecting your right to own guns: I have some ocean-front property for sale in Arizona. Cheap.

N-NR, if we give up our RIGHT to own guns, what's to stop the govt. from sweeping the streets looking forus? Baseballbats with nails in them? Do you think the govt. will ever give up their guns?

RON PAUL is NOT the man either Ron Paul Bots.

He's also very isolationist and a fringe kook as well.

Starving Actor,

The 2nd amendment uses "State" with a capital S. The framers of the constitution debated the document and its amendments because of philosophical differences over a State's right(s) v. a Federal Government's right(s). The Constitution is the embodiment of the founders' compromises. I agree that all people are subject to the "free state" that you refer, but that is NOT what the 2nd amendment refers to.

Context!

The entire constitution determines what the federal government can/cannot do. If the federal government specifically cannot do something, then the States are free to rule or pass on the issue. If the constitution is silent on a particular issue, the states are free to rule or pass on the issue unless the courts say they went to far. Too say the 2nd amendment refers to a "free state" of all people is an exaggerated interpretation.

I wish people could understand the 2nd Amendment and quit spouting misguided "feel good" comments concerning self defense, hunting, safety and the national guard.

The 2nd Amendment exists to protect all the others. Read a history book people. The first thing to go on a march to corruption, dictatorship and genocide is ALWAYS individual gun rights. It is even more important today than it was when it was written.

The founders didn't want standing armies, and the definition of militia is "all able bodied men", not Federal Agents and the US Army. The militia is there to protect the people from these Federal Agents and US Army. IT IS OUR ARM OF THE CHECKS AND BALANCES PEOPLE!!!

I find it astounding that the same people who cry foul about the Patriot Act are typically the first ones in line to ban guns. If we had no guns, what is to stop the govt. from doing whatever the hell they want? It could get a lot worse than the Patriot Act.

If we could magically remove 250+ million firearms from the country, like we have successfully eliminated all illicit drugs (wink), we would have a police state before you could blink.

> Ron Paul is NO LEADER!
Posted by Madge Owens

Huh? And you are a sheep who can't think for themselves and needs someone to lead them around by the nose.

Turncoat. Dont trust him, but he's gotta be a better choice the Hillary Inc.

Why are we always choosing between the lesser of two evils?

Ron
Washington

Hey N-NR,
I won't tell you what magazines or style of birkenstocks you can wear, and you don't tell me what kind of weapons YOU THINK I need. You don't get to decide.

People don't just have a *right* to self-defense, it is an *obligation*. And not just in their homes, but *everywhere*. The Second Amendment was written and passed because it is important that we have an armed citizenry that is competent in using their weapons in order to insure the preservation of all of our rights. Our government works for us - not the other way around - that is the reason people working in the government are called "civil servants" - despite what they may think. People in the government are not in charge here. Laws are to serve the common good of the people in exercising their liberty and God-given rights. When government oversteps its bounds it is the duty of the citizens (i.e. the real adults here) to fix it.

Hey people, let's be a little more open-minded about Rudy's stances and remember that he was a Republican in a state that voted in Hillary Clinton and Charles Schumer as their representative. Do you really think a Conservative would flourish in a bastion for "progressive" thinkers?

Does anyone believe that maybe, just maybe, he was more Conservative than what he portrayed because he needed to be elected. > Didn't Al Gore's voting record appear more centrist than his message once he was VP and didn't Joe Lieberman change his stances on abortion and national defense when he was running for office?

And if anything, you have to lend more credibility to Rudy because he was THERE when 3,000 of OUR PEOPLE were murdered in the most evil manner. Gun control laws? Yeah, people should qualify at ranges every month just like cops.

"Gun control means never having to say you missed."

where oh where can we find a politician who defends both the 2nd amendment AND the 1st amendment ?!? "sanctions" for someone expressing their opinion in the public square ?! there's nothing more un-american than that. shame on guiliani, the senate, and anyone who thinks that is a proper response to an ad in a newspaper. why are so many so willing to give up the very freedoms that we are supposedly fighting to defend ?

Mike,

You should SEE the arsenal I have at home! I have enough guns, ammo, and reloading supplies to equip a fire team (13) in the field!

Read the Constitution: only those who would be eligible to be part of the "well-regulated militia" are the "people" who have "the right to keep and bear arms." This excludes criminals, the insane, the mentally retarded, or minors. "Arms" are weapons that an ordinary citizen would be expected to own: a rifle, shotgun or handgun, not an RPG, a machine gun, or artillery piece. These are under the control of Congress.

Apparently, George Washington was an isolationist too when in his farewell address he said to stay away from permanent alliances with foreign countries...I guess that makes him a fringe kook too, huh?

You know it takes a gentleman like Ron Paul to really show what total pieces of shit the other candidates really are. Rudy feels that he or a fellow neo-con must win the election no matter how they accomplish this feat. Barring that he will probably spend the rest of his life in prison for his participation in 9-11.

Is this a 'flip-flop'. Why, no! It's a ... a ... a ... 'Evolution'! Yeah, that's the ticket!

Guns don't kill people. Bullets kill people.

JohnQ
You are an idiot!!

Those who want no Guns, have never shot one nor have they ever held, cleaned, used a gun (rifle or hand pistol) for anything.

Those whom have a gun legally, understand the responsibility of ownership.

From the City/Town to the County/Municipality to the State to the Nation is how the gun laws are handed down, not the other way around.

Those who have never owned a gun or fired one should not tell me how I should run my life or how to protect myself. You may be the next moonbat who says the infamous words ... "Dude, DON'T TASE ME!" If you get in my face.

AnnoyedGunOwner

C,
Too bad we can't post pictures, eh?
That would make their liberal heads explode!
Ha-Ha

Another thing to consider, "arms" are understood to mean (and interpreted by the Supreme Court) to mean those weapons carried by a combat soldier.

This means fully automatic hand-held weapons, not deer rifles.

Read the history of U.S. vs. Miller, 1939. Read the WHOLE story, the fact that Miller was already DEAD and un-represented in the court, yet the ruling was still evident that the 2nd is an individual right. There are still MANY problems with the ruling based on the way the court proceeded without representation for a dead man.

Had Miller been represented by a half-way competent lawyer, we'd all have belt fed machine guns to this day.

As a Conservative with a BRAIN I will Never vote for Rudy or any other Rino. Better an out and out Communist like Hillary than another phoney, lying, treasonous POS. Where's the fence?

Laurent, a citizen can OWN a machine gun IF they pay a special TAX and register it. I own several...for home defense of course.

EX: NOLA after Katrina.

The reason this gov't doesn't listen to us is because they do not fear us. The gov't's of England, France, etc... know what happens when they don't do the people's will. We never had a true revolution in this country (just a war of independence). The gov't needs to fear the people. We are already too consumed with watching television and fighting amongst ourselves to keep the gov't in check. Take away our guns, and any sense of opposition will be totally lost.

Conan,

The problem is that they are not new production. We should be able to buy new, domestic or imported, F/A weapons, and we would be able to if Miller was handled correctly.

Thomas,

Indeed. You would not BELIEVE the base of fire I can lay down with my M-14! And up close, my Sten Mk IV is lethal.

Nice flip flop Rudy.....whadda hypocrite

Rudy...Ron.... Fred... Bush.... keep on bickering ...ARE ALL of you so stupid as to not realize that if Hillary is Prez...you won't HAVE ANY GUN RIGHTS..she will appoint two Supreme Court Justices and you can defend yourself with a water pistol and eat MoveOn Crunches for breakfast !!!!

Rudy? Fred? Mitt? . . . George?
They're all just political clones telling us what they think we want to hear. I don't believe the Mayor's conversion anymore than I believe the government really wants to help me.

We had all better wake up, there is only one person who uses the Constitution as the basis for his beliefs and decisions and that man is Senator Ron Paul. Let the Mayor go back to his consulting business and let a true American patriot manage this country.

Ron Paul - the ONLY hope for America
http://www.ronpaulpresident2008.com/

Mike,

Agreed. With the Congcritter's approval rate at 11% and sliding, it won't be long now.

Stock up on guns, ammo, food, and water purification tabs.

Yes, I'd like a FN minimi, please. No No, the belt-fed, not the M-16, I already have two of those. Oh, and also give me a cherry slurpee, a quick-pick powerball ticket, and a pack of lucky's. Thanks.

Just to make a point, my dad taught me gun safety when I was 5, I've been shooting them (accurately) long enough to know what not to do, I've had plenty of training using military weapons (in the military), and am not a danger to anyone but those who represent themselves as an enemy to the Constitution (foreign or domestic), I passed the background check to get my Yugo SKS, so why should I not be allowed to own a weapon? Because those with no experience think everyone has the same skill level as them when it comes to guns?

I believe if I read my history correctly, that the second amendment was designed so our country could not be easily over-run by whatever enemy we face at any given time.
Face it, the more citizens with guns the more resistance the enemy can expect.
I personally like the law that some places in our country have adopted, "Every household will have a firearm and at least one person that knows how to use it."
I have read that those places saw a significant drop in crime.
I also had occasion to ask a guy who had an extensive criminal history, what it was he feared most when he was breaking in to a house.
He said " That the owner of the home was there and had a gun."
That really said something to me about gun rights.
The mayor will not be getting my vote!

Mandy..

Ron Paul the conspiracy theorist, who said that he believed that the US Gov was part of 9/11 and that is was a way to start a war at a political debate... will NEVER get my vote. Keep listening to Coast to Coast while I polish my new AR-14.

AnnoyedGunOwner

Only when Rudy reconsiders his borders policy and openly opposes will he have a chance of getting my vote.

RUDY HATES ABORTION,HE SAID,PLEASE DON'T KILL THE BABY. PUT IT UP FOR ADOPTION.THAT'S HIS SOLUTION.
GUNS: ENFORCE THE LAWS ON THE BOOKS PERIOD. NO MORE NEW LAWS.ENFORCE BY THE CONSTITUTION. PERIOD...
GAY MARRIAGE.. PUT ON THE BALLOT. LET THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE DECIDE. NOT A PRESIDENT,NOT CONGRESS,
NOT THE STATE.THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE WILL DECIDE...
ALSO, WE ARE NOT ELECTING HIS WIFE OR HIS KIDS.
LEAVE THEM OUT OF THE PICTURE..HE IS THE ONLY CAMPAIGNER THAT HAS THE BALLS TO HANDLE THOSE KILLER
MUSLIM ISLAMIST FASCIST...PERIOD......

Giuliani said that MoveOn.org's ad criticizing Gen. Petreaus was out of bounds and hinted that the group should face some sort of sanction."

Oh, so criticizing people should be regulated or made illegal? Would this only apply to "special" people like Gen. Petreaus and Rudy Giuliani or would everyone have the "right" not to be criticized? Hello, Fascism, thy name is Giuliani.

Remember, Rudy was the one that said "...freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do."
(http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A01E2D9173CF933A15750C0A962958260)

Yeah, that's just the sort of attitude we want in a President...

Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate...or any candidate who has a consistent conservative, Constitutionally based position on ALL topics. He is the only true Leader in the race.

Ron Paul 2008.

im glad that your stand on gun control has turned a little bit to a more constitutional view, but gun ownership and self defense are neccessary EVERYWHERE i go, not just in my home.
please realize that it's the criminals that carry out crimes, and they dont follow laws anyway, so please... allow us honest citizens to protect ourselves EVERYWHERE.
thank you.

Mr.Mayor-go away and take your double talk with you.. It is clear you will not uphold the 2nd amendment by your actions.. Hate to say it but "Ron Paul" may be our only hope..
Gus Hoefling

C,
I'm currently building an AR45, just waiting on my BATFE form 1 approval to register as a short barreled rifle. Can't wait to put in my registered drop-in auto sear to make it full auto. (You know I'd normally just say SBR and RDIAS, but I want the libs to know exactly what we're talking about.) Ha-Ha.

Rudy hasn't come to his senses. He's just trying to calculate the minimum amount of crumbs he can throw gun owners that get them to avoid sitting out the election. Typical politician, do anything that you think will get you power and once you have it do what you please.

Another vote for Ron Paul here, keep them coming.

AnnoyedGunOwner

Dr. Paul is not a conspiracy theorist and has never stated that the US Gov was part of 9/11. Comments like yours are an overt attempt to poison the minds of the people that do not know the truth.

Ron Paul has my vote, even if I'm the only one to do so.

For those of you who say he hasn't a chance, and that we should vote for the lesser of two bad choices, without seeing beyond them, then it's YOUR blind fault that will lead to failure.

Rudy has no love for this country, only for the spotlight. His true colors are faded from the lights.

John, there is no need for the people at Moveon to apologize for the ad, they were practicing free speech which is their right under the first amendment whether you agree with them or not. The position that the military protects our freedom of speech, and therefor no one has a right to criticize a military official, is non sensical. Giuliani strikes me as being authoritarian and the idea of him being installed in the White House scares me. I support the only candidate on either side who has demonstrated consistent adherence to the constitution, Ron Paul.

EVERYONE SETTLE DOWN !
Stop acting like little kids who can be tricked day after day. Look at yourselves. Your absolutely useless because you are so readily divided and conquered.
Republicans and Democrats have been lying to us and robbing us for a long time now...PERIOD.
I say it's time to grow up, set aside our differences and pull together.
We need to wrestle the power away from these pukes and get it back to the people. We NEED to save whats left of our country ! WAKE UP !

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety" - Rudy Giuliani:What kind of limp wristed, wet blanket statement of support is this? Only a complete idiot would believe an anti-gun nut politician who claims to support the Second Amendment Rights of the people before an election. The only believable thing about Rudy is his record on guns when he had the power to do the right thing about Second Amendment rights as Mayor of New York. He did nothing to restore gun rights in New York and publically stated that the Second Amendment is merely the government giving itself permission to arm itself and does not apply to individual citizens clearly as all the other Amendments in the Bill of Rights do. Again only an idiot would believe such clap trap. The Second Amendment is the government's acknowledgement that an individual citizen's right to self-defense pre-exists government and that right is not to be superceded (legitimately) by government ever. Rudy's credibility is as valid as a three dollar bill.

Annoyed, don't rely on Fox forall your news...he said the govt.'s actions over the past 30 years were factors resulting in 9/11, as stated by the 9/11 Commission themselves...fact of the matter isthat the "Republicans" are just as likely as the "Democrats" to take away that shiny AR-14 you're polishing...

I don't care if the government takes away my AR-14's. But they aren't getting my AR-15's !!!

Mr. Flip-flopper, thank you for showing that you will say or do anything to get elected.

Makes you wonder if his views on evolution will evolve?

Our field of candidates is horrible. Ron Paul comes closest to my traditional conservative beliefs, but he is a little too crazy (in a Ross Perot kind of way) for me. I might be sitting this election out. I lived under Rudy reign in NYC. He was tough on crime, but he definitely has Fascist tendencies. He is not someone we want leading the country. I do not for one second believe his "evolution" on gun rights. I like Thompson's "hands-off" approach to gov't, but there is just something about the man that rubs me the wrong way. I honestly think the current administration has destroyed the republican party. We need an outsider libertarian.

Anyone who is stupid enough to fall for this clown's antics is too stupid to be allowed anywhere near a ballot box.

I am an active member of the NRA.

However, if this fascist twit (I am a life-long resident of NYC [Brooklyn], and I know all too well what Giuliani is all about), gets an endorsement from the NRA, I will cancel my membership immediately, and go and join the GOA (Gun Owners of America association).

The ONLY candidate any freedom lover/Bill of Rights lover/Gun rights supporter should be looking at is Ron Paul!!!

All the others, McCain, Guiliani, Thompson, blah... blah... blah... they are all a joke!

Ron Paul is the ONLY CONSTITUTIONALIST anyone ought to be voting for!!!

It's time for all of us to put up, or shut up!!!!

Enough of the BS!!!

Raymond F. Dillon
Brooklyn, NY
rfd2003@hotmail.com
http://oldrightpaleoconservativesunited.blogspot.com/

Rudy is the only candidate in both parties who is a LEADER.

Doug, if you sit this election out, you're only perpetuating the problem...if you're looking for an outsider libertarian, go look up what Ron Paul ran for prez in 1988 as...

You are as two faced as any politician that has ever run for public office.

Tell the masses what you think they want to hear and then go do what you want to after election.

What a hypocrite. A wolf in sheep’s clothing.

I trust this one like the one’s in office now.

Carl Sanders

His position hasn't changed. Note that he said, "your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety" and that "a person's home is their castle. They have the right to protect themselves in their own home."

These statements were both crafted very specifically. First, my right to bear arms is NOT based on a "reasonable degree of safety." It is a right, not a privilege granted by the gubmint, and it is antecedent to the gubmint. Second, my right to arms also includes the right, again not a privilege, to bear (read carry) arms that is not limited to my "castle."

This guy's a snake oil salesman and I will not support him under any circumstances.


Some day the courts will drive home what is the bottom line truth: the constitution does not give you the unfettered right to own guns.

Posted by Ahmed N. Dengeris | September 21, 2007 2:40 PM ----


Ahmed, Ahmed my friend, obviously you are not from this country and do not understand the long standing battle we have had with our Legislators over this very Admendment.

I promise you my Friend, We The People of America have the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. You are probably being fooled by the Local State Cities getting enuf Liberals running them to pass some gun-control legislation, but mosy on down here to fly-over-country where the average Family owns 6 -10 weapons can hit a Mule Deer at 400 yards, and the Gummint ain't got the balls to come down here and start something they can't finish. Besides, just like my Daddy the only way the Liberal Communists are gona take my guns is from my cold dead fingers.
,

Raymond,
Why aren't you already a member of GOA? It's a great org. You don't have to choose one or the other.

Any idiot republican who does not vote for Giuliani helps elect Hilary Clinton. Think before you jump off that bridge!

WE NEED TO PULL TOGETHER.
LET ME KNOW WHEN YOUR READY TO LISTEN.
Yap, yap, YAP ! Back and forth, round and round...PATHETIC.
We have an opportunity here.

AnnoyedGunOwner:

Way to not listen to what Ron Paul said. Ron Paul blames 9/11 on Osama bin Laden and the 19 highjackers. He DOES NOT believe the U.S. planned and/or carried out the highjackings/crashings.

He said that our policy is part of the reason it occurred. He didn't blame you, me, or America. It was the policy he blames as being a proximate cause to the events that lead up to the highjackings on 9/11.

Read some of his own papers, instead of getting all your information about him from Fox News.

It's a Ron Paul REVOLUTION that is long overdue

give me liberty and Ken,

I assume you don't watch the debates? Actually it was one of the very first ones he attended, where he actually did say that. And besides the fact he HAS been on Coast to Coast (yes that is truely a conservative radio listening experience for the lefty moonbats who believe in ET's) over 5 times... hmmm.

So explain to me why a person who supposedly would like a chance at becoming President or just taken seriously would go on such a "interesting" radio program? BTW check the YouTube "Ron Paul, 9/11 conspiracy" there are about 200 video's to watch.

Actually I am neither a republican nor a democrat... calling me a republican or a democrat just proves how ignorant you are of other people and what they believe and stand for. And it isn't my problem that I am female and you are scared that I own weapons of any sort. May want to stay out of my way, you may be the next "tasing"!

AnnoyedGunOwner

Come on guys, do you expect any politician's views to fit you like a glove? Are you really going to vote for another Clinton vs Rudy? You think Hillary will protect your right to own a gun? Will Hillary support our military and national defense? Will Hillary nominate Federal judges who respect our constitution? Give me a break. Hillary will be 10 times worse than any Republican candidate.

"I believe that law endforcement should focus on enforcing the laws that exist on the books as opposed to passing new extensions of laws," he said. "A person's home is their castle. They have the right to protect themselves in their own home."

Unless of course you live in California and do not water your lawn.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/19/lawn.dispute.ap/index.html

Rudy you are full of crap and you look like it- even in drag!

Ron Paul is a twit who will never be elected. Any so-called republican who votes for him just throws his vote away and is a MORON. Keep it up and your wives and daughters will be wearing burkas and become rape victims.

Nick,

Rudy does not deserve the "9/11 hero" leadership qualities attributed to him. I live in NY, and was in Manhattan the day we were attacked. Rudy went into hiding and gave us "updates" from an undisclosed bunker. Aside from all the grave mistakes he made associated with the NYPD and FDNY, this is the man who put the terrorism response center in the WTC after the towers were attacked in the 1990s. He's milking the tragedy of 9/11 for what it's worth, and he honestly did not do anything extraordinary. He was out of office 4 months after the attacks. Our current mayor, Mike Bloomberg did more to help the city recover. Don't believe the Rudy hype.

Maybe if we gave all Iraqis guns it would be as peaceful there as it is here. Maybe even as harmonius as this blog. Some US gun show entrepreneur should get over there and start selling! They might even get under the 25,000 deaths from guns we have in this country.

I think Rudy would be a great choice....


...to be Fred Thompson's Attorney General or Sec. of Homeland Security.

Dear Rudy,

The second ammendment doesnt just give us the right to protect ourselves in our castle, it gives us the very duty to take back our country from a tyrannical government. Its not about the right to protect ourselves in our homes. Its about the very duty as an american to have the means to take back our government and being able to protect ourselves from it and taking it back when it turns against the very citizens that put it there in the first place. You're a wolf in sheeps clothing and your very actions speak to that sir.

MAY I REMIND EVERYONE THAT ALTHOUGH THERE IS INCREASING VIOLENCE COMMITTED WITH GUNS , THE GUNS UTILIZED ARE ILLEGALLY SOLD AND USED. I BELIEVE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE RATIO OF PEOPLE WHO COMMIT THESE ACTS VS THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH THE EXTENSIVE PROCESS OF GETTING A LICENSE TO CARRY A GUN LEGALLY, YOU WILL SEE THAT THE PERSONS WITH THE PERMIT ACTUALLY HAVE MORE RESPONSIBILITY AND WOULD NOT RISK USING THEIR WEAPON UNLESS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. A GUN IS A OBJECT AND CANNOT HURT ANYONE UNLESS THAT PERSON PULLS THE TRIGGER. IT IS THE PEOPLE WITH FELONIOUS INTENT WHO ARE THE PROBLEM, NOT THE PERSON OF GOOD MORAL CHARACTER.

Giuliani would use 9/11 to sell used cars if it would benefit him.

"The Second Amendment is not about hunting deer or keeping a pistol in your nightstand. It is not about protecting oneself against common criminals. It is about preventing tyranny."

Ron Paul (April 21, 2003)

Ron Paul is the ONLY 100% pro-2nd Amendment candidate running.

Here's what he had to say over eight years ago on the Second Amendment:

"[O]ur founding fathers envisioned a well-armed populace as the ultimate check on government tyranny. If some future legislators and presidents had designs on limiting our divinely endowed liberties, our founders believed the Second would hold such impulses in check."

Here's what he said seven years ago:

"I realize why the gun grabbers are never called onto the carpet in such a way. Simply, those who refuse to stand up for constitutional rights like to say they are compromising, but the fact is they are cowering. It is one thing to be a coward with one's own life, but it is entirely immoral to run in fear when it comes to defending the constitutional rights we are sworn to uphold."

If Ron Paul cannot be elected it is because of at least one of two things. Number one too many people too stupid to vote for the right man for the job who has a long and clear track record of following our Constitution. Clearly many people can't handle that kind of integrity. Possibility two is that he won't be elected do do massive voter fraud as perpetrated by the people who want you to beleive that no one but either a Republican or Democrat can be elected and have provided voting computers instead of paper ballots to make sure that is the case since it makes the stealing of an election as easy as getting money out of your ATM.

Funny how I never read stories about people punching each other out. I only read stories about people being shot by guns, legal or illegal!

Annoyed, in all honesty, I watch what I can of the debates, but I watch everything I can about Ron Paul, and not once have I seen him say our govt. was involved in 9/11, he's got more sense than that, in fact, when asked if he believes the govt. was responsible for the attacks, he reaffirmed what he said about our policies in the Mid-East...besides, I'd trust C2C before I'd trust Fox, or any other corporate MSM outlet...as far as being afraid of you and your guns, unless you know my neck of the woods and combat techniques better than me, trust me, I'm not afraid...I know plenty of ways to tell you're near me before I ever see you...and I don't need a gun to be tough, even though I own plenty...go be annoyed somewhere else

The second ammendment is about taking back your country from a tyrannical government. Not about having the right to hunt or keep safe in your home. Rudy you're not fit to hold an american public office. You're an opportunist not a servant of the people.

Hey Constitutionalist! What militia do you and your guns belong to? Why is it that the second amendment is never quoted in its entirety?

AnnoyedGunOwner

I have watched every so-called debate. He never said any such thing. And if I understand your position correctly, because of one of the media outlets he chose to get his message of freedom out to the populace, he should be equated with the diverse views of the people who listen to the program. Wow, that is an impressive leap.

I too am an Independent, neither R nor D. You are the one that assumes that I must be of some particular party association. And I am glad that you are exercising your right guaranteed under the 2nd amendment. A vote for Ron Paul will ensure that right will continue to exist.

As for the tasering statement, you obviously have an anger management problem.

There is ONLY ONE MAN who can beat Hillary and the Islamofacist terrorists and bring back FREEDOM to our nation the way our Founding Fathers intended, his name is RON PAUL.

Vote for a TRUE CONSERVATIVE and 100% PATRIOT and military veteran:

Ron Paul for a better America.
God Bless AMerica

Ron Paul supporters are going to make the same mistake Howard Dean supporters did: They're going to annoy people into NOT voting for their candidate.

Don't kid yourself,
Just because she uses the name, doesn't mean she's the only one.

We're all annoyed gun owners!!!

So my home is my castle, and when I step out one the street I am fair game? No thanks Rudy, I don't buy campaign conversions.

So am I, but I'd rather take it out on 2 faced politicians by voting them out of office than by picking fights on a computer

I'd no more believe what this guy says that fly to the moon in a paper airplane!This guy promised to solve the homeless problem in NYC and his solution? PUT THEM IN JAIL AND CHARGE THE TAXPAYERS MILLIONS!!

"Islamofacism" is only a threat to this country because of our dependency on Arab oil. I guarantee you, we are not going to be speaking Arabic and praying to Allah anytime soon. A very effective, but not so easy, way to deal with "Islamofacism" is to kick our oil habit. Honestly, why should we care what a bunch of 13th century religious nuts are doing to each other out in the desert? There is only one reason: they own our economy.

As mayor of NYC, Giuliani presided over the strictest gun laws in the country. Now this cross-dressing makeover artist is doing his best to out-flip-flop Romney, and succeeding quite well. Chamelions are reptiles, and not suitable presidential material.

Come on guys, do you expect any politician's views to fit you like a glove? Are you really going to vote for another Clinton vs Rudy?

If we don't nominate Rudy, we won't have to make that terrible choice.

Ron Paul did not say that the government had involvement with 9/11 - get your facts right Annoyed Gun Owner or better yet Google him...maybe someone who supports him thinks those things but he certainly does NOT.

Giuliani has flipped flopped on this issue - but it does not surprise me.

Ron Paul is the ONLY hope the Republican party has to win this election. He will win against Hillary. There is something to be said when most college students do not give a damn about voting or politics get involved because of when they hear Ron Paul speak from his HEART. I was one of those college students. Of course the electoral college is still in place which is a scam...but whatever thats a different discussion.

While Romney & Giuliani keep being pro war, anti gun, and COPYING Ron Paul on 'everything should abide by the constitution' - if you elect one of those douchebags up in the Primaries then they FLIP FLOP once again to appease the audience- the Democrats will win by a landslide. But I would rather have socialism vs fascism.

I'm a libertarian & Ron Paul is the best hope our country has to rid corporate welfare & fascism.

Rudy is a joke. Ron Paul is the real deal.

I don't believe Rudi the RINO ever read the Constitution so he has no idea what the 2nd Amendment says.

Rudy who believes anything you say? You'll say anything to get a vote!

Ron Paul 2008

Militia, do you remember? Right to bear arms in a militia.

oh yeah, and I own a gun.

This is a crock! One day Rudy's against gun control and the next day, he's for it. Yep, this sure sounds like a liberal to me...he's been around Hillary's neck of the woods way too long! With the prez election still over a year away, we're gonna hear a whole lot of BULL before we pull the lever folks. In TEXAS, we all have the right to protect our property and we don't need a flip-flopping mayor tell us what the 2nd amendment says! Believe me, we know it by HEART...it spells NRA (our American right to own a firearm for protection). If I had to wait for someone to come, it's too late! Think about it...why do you think those idiots target schools, churches, post offices, etc. when they decide to charge in shooting people; the gunman knows that NONE OF THEM ARE PROTECTED...duh!!!!

Right now, FRED (Thompson) is the MAN! The rest of those clowns can keep kackling because the only folks they can draw are those looking for something for NOTHING!

What a flip flopper this is why i never trust politicians.They will say and do anything to win.This man is disgusting, i would respect a used car salesman before him.

James Madison, 4th President of the United States and PRINCIPAL AUTHOR OF THE CONSTITUTION: "The highest number to which a standing army can be carried in any country does not exceed one hundredth part of the souls, or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This portion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Besides the advantage of being armed, it forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. The governments of Europe are afraid to trust the people with arms. If they did, the people would surely shake off the yoke of tyranny, as America did."

If we lose the 2nd amendment, would-be tyrants like Guilani would prosper.

Giuliani always rails against Hillary, but fact is he is more in line with her on most issues than he is the GOP. In fact, Giuliani would be more compatible as Hillary's running mate than he would running as a Republican.

Whether we are talking abortion, gun control or border enforcement you one issue types are narrow minded.

You do realize that you have listed three issues? And that these three do not exhaust the full range of issues on which Giuliani is bad?

The real "one issue" types are the people who support Rudy in the misguided belief that only he can possibly win in 2008.

Fred is another douchebag..pro war idiot and he's anti gun....he's just like everyone but RON PAUL.

http://conservativesagainstfred.wordpress.com/2007/06/11/fred-thompsons-anti-gun-senate-record/

DB, look up Fred Thompson's votes on gun issues and see if he still sounds so good...no offense, just saying is all...

Core values, core beliefs, are not "views" or positions formed of and steeled by personal "evolution"; they are fundamental and lifelong guiding principles to which one adheres and in so doing forges his character.

The measure of a man's character is what he does when no one is looking. His reputation is the sum of his deeds, as expressed in the words of those who speak of him in his absence. When the NRA was not looking, Rudy CONSISTENTLY sang a VERY different tune.

While Mr. Giuliani endeared himself to the American people on and during the days directly after 11 September 2001, let us not forget how we felt about him--and why--prior to that point in time.

Frankly, Mr. Giuliani has over the course of his lifetime and career has made many promises--some of which were sacred vows--many of which he has broken. His record stands, and speaks, for itself.

Sorry, but the Second Amendment and my Constitutional Rights thereunder are just too important to be entrusted to the whimsy-darting panderings of a man of Rudy Giuliani's self-serving personal ambitions and questionable character.

I cannot vote for a man I do not respect, and a man not respected is not a man to be trusted.

Vote for whomsoever you must, but do remember that the person to whom you GIVE your vote may in turn be the person who TAKES you guns.

As for me, no means no, Rudy. No, Rudy. Just no.

Hey Elrod,

"PEOPLE WITH GUNS KILL PEOPLE"????

PEOPLE WITH CARS KILL PEOPLE
PEOPLE WITH ROCKS KILL PEOPLE
PEOPLE WITH KNIVES KILL PEOPLE
PEOPLE WITH STICKS KILL PEOPLE
PEOPLE WITH BARE HANDS KILL PEOPLE

I fail to see the correlation between owning a gun and killing people. As the saying goes, "Ted Kennedys car has killed more people than my gun." You don't need one to do the other, more crime is prevented by someone carrying a gun than is perpetrated by someone carrying a gun. Go buy a clue.

The election of Hillary Clinton due to a fractured oppostion would be better than another RINO since it would clearly define the enemy and quite possibly lead to cathartic open violent revolution. We could then discover whether we are worthy of our Libery or should shuffle along behind the hopeless Euro Socialists.
I will not waste my vote on Rudy (or Mitt or McCain). Tancredo or Ron Paul are acceptable, even though I don't agree with all their positions, since they actually believe what they say and owe allegiance to the USA first. Bring it on.

Dave, thanks for the J. Madison post...I don't know which is sadder: that most people don't know who he was, or what he wrote...

Little history lesson:
Rudy is a life long Democrat.
He changed his affiliation to run for NYC mayor.
He DIDN'T change his political leanings.
Only a sheep would vote for this clown.

Ron Paul's beliefs do not go through such "evolutions" because his beliefs are solidly based on the United States Constitution!

Paul 08

Giuliani always rails against Hillary

Not always. He was quite a fan back in the nineties.

Rudy I hope you realize you are no different than the rest of the political canidates who jumps from one side of the fence to the other when it is convient for your political position. The right to bear arms is not only to protect yourself but to over throw this goverment. I see people becoming more and more fed up with goverment jumping from one side of the fence to another based on what is good for their canidacy. You are no better than our lying president. It is such a joke to make such a big deal out of someone saying that Pretreus betrayed us he did so did the president what about the right to free speech isn't that another reason why we are living in America? Everyone should own guns not only to protect your home but to protect our dwindling rights as an americans. We make decisions in the US based on what is good for a few not on whats good for whole.

Rudy I hope you realize you are no different than the rest of the political canidates who jumps from one side of the fence to the other when it is convient for your political position. The right to bear arms is not only to protect yourself but to over throw this goverment. I see people becoming more and more fed up with goverment jumping from one side of the fence to another based on what is good for their canidacy. You are no better than our lying president. It is such a joke to make such a big deal out of someone saying that Pretreus betrayed us he did so did the president what about the right to free speech isn't that another reason why we are living in America? Everyone should own guns not only to protect your home but to protect our dwindling rights as an americans. We make decisions in the US based on what is good for a few not on whats good for whole.

GWB has stood up for gun rights even against the hated United Nations. Give the man the respect he deserves on this issue. I do not give him any respect on the immigration issue.
Rudy has not changed his mind about gun rights only he is now running for another office.

So our right to own guns is based on a "reasonable degree of safety." By what tortured thought process did that statement emerge from Annie Julie's mouth? How about this -- our right to self-defense (i.e., ownership of a gun or any other weapon) is based on our SELF-OWNERSHIP. As the owner of my life, I have a right to defend it. Period.

Two weeks ago Rudy said, "The 2nd Amendment grants us the right to own guns."

And this guy was a US Attorney?

No it doesn't, Rudy! The 2nd Amendment acknowledges our pre-existing right to own guns and prohibits the created government from infringing on that right.

The Constitution is a contract. Gun control violates and breaks that contract.

I was interested to see the 9-21-07 post by "Robert." He does not need a gun as much as he needs a spell checker. "aquire, licence, ignoramouses, dangerose, manadatory, and rigerously..." and all from a guy who has been hunting since age 12. Absolutely chilling!

When it comes to gun control, Giuliani is truly the proverbial "chameleon on plaid".

If he thinks the 2nd Amendment doesn't apply in New York, why should anyone believe that he thinks the 13th DOES?

They called MacArthur the American Caesar.

Giuliani's the American Pinochet.

No thanks.

Thompson for President!

Living in Alaska and dealing with retard left wing looney lefties and now dealing with the now Ron Paul Moonbat Coast to Coast supporters.... I think I would rather stay in ANWR and kill a Caribou then deal with these freaking "supposedly" (Ken this is for you) survivalistic combat wannabe's. LMFAO

Ken, get a grip dude. Was I lying about Ronny being on Coast to Coast or YouTube? As I also watch the debates and thought it great when Ron Paul got called out, but maybe you are to stoned to read between the lines.

Please, do not go there with your "I Have Combat Skills" crap. I have also been in the military, I happen to love guiding out people who want to hunt for Sport and Food. The BS you spew is just that BS. If you want something different in the electoral process, pick someone who has some clout and not one who thinks that there are "Aliens" and everything is a conspiracy... Damn I had my laugh for the day. Thanks! now back to the real world.

AnnoyGunOwner

Living in Alaska and dealing with retard left wing looney lefties and now dealing with the now Ron Paul Moonbat Coast to Coast supporters.... I think I would rather stay in ANWR and kill a Caribou then deal with these freaking "supposedly" (Ken this is for you) survivalistic combat wannabe's. LMFAO

Ken, get a grip dude. Was I lying about Ronny being on Coast to Coast or YouTube? As I also watch the debates and thought it great when Ron Paul got called out, but maybe you are to stoned to read between the lines.

Please, do not go there with your "I Have Combat Skills" crap. I have also been in the military, I happen to love guiding out people who want to hunt for Sport and Food. The BS you spew is just that BS. If you want something different in the electoral process, pick someone who has some clout and not one who thinks that there are "Aliens" and everything is a conspiracy... Damn I had my laugh for the day. Thanks! now back to the real world.

AnnoyGunOwner

Most of you who are slamming The Mayor....should have lived in New York during the 80's & 90's. If you had, you would have a LOT MORE RESPECT for this man than you do!

What he accomplished in this city in 8 years was truly REMARKABLE! If he had just HALF that success as President,
his would be a GREAT presidency, the same way his was a
Great mayoralty.

Try NOT wearing your blinders, and realize that it is a big country with people holding many different views.

The mayor is a Northeastern conservative, which means his views are NOT 100% in line with all conservative views. But then again, NEITHER ARE MINE!

I disagree with THE MAYOR on lots of issues. But I disagree with THE NRA on some issues also!

For NRA members to take some of the extreme positions which I have heard them take, seems incredible to me. Please explain to why it is so UNREASONABLE for a person wanting to purchase a gun to have to WAIT 48 hrs for a BACKGROUND CHECK?

Anyway, if you think Fred Thompson is the man, you are SADLY mistaken. He is a nice man, but SADLY LACKING in management skills...and CAMPAIGN skills....and WHO KNOWS what other skills.

And he is UNELECTABLE! You will be finding this out very shortly as you listen to him.

Thank you all....Go Rudy....a New York supporter

What pandering. Does he believe in anything except answering his planned cellphone calls?

What an idiotic issue. Our country faces far more serious problems today than this trival matter.

Let the gun huggers have their damn weapons. Contrary to their constant whining though, the right to bear arms per the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with one's personal self-defense. The reason was to have a sufficient amount of people readily available to form militias for the security of a free State.

So, let's put this issue to bed by requiring everyone, who holds a weapon, to work a certain number of hours per month or quarter with law enforcement or the military. They could help out in areas such as securing our borders, curbing gang activity, patrolling local neighborhoods, etc. Every six months or whatever, require them to requalify to marksman level on every weapon held.

Opponents would go away because gun carriers would start being viewed as very beneficial members of society rather than crackpots or potentional criminals. Likewise pro-gun folks might finally see why ownership of assault weapons ought to be banned or severely limited.

I quit the NRA because they spent my money and millions like wise, yet they can not explain to our fellow countrymen the Second Amendment while Congress and Bush screwed up the First!. I voted for GWB twice, but his support for illegals, and Congress's trying to force these bastards on us!

Rudy's trying to suck up to the NRA is to late. He had eight years to free the people in New York City. He never read John Lotts book, More Guns Less Crime, period! Our gun laws are based on Hitler's means of diarming Jews period. Its laws took freedoms away in cuts. Enough is enough! Fred Thompson hated Washington so much he left the Senate, and now he wants back?
I hope our fellow citizens have the balls to march to DC if Shrillary is ellected. Ron Paul is a nut-job. We need to take our country back, get small, get proud!

Over a year until the election and already these comments seem as though it is already October, full bile and excrement for any who "disagree."

This election will come down to whomever manages to fool enough people into believing they "care" about the American people, the candidate who steps to the middle for just long enough to win but not alienate "the base." I have seen nothing from any person, regardless of party, running for POTUS that makes me feel any better than I did in Nov. 2004 when I was forced to choose between Bush and Kerry, one of the worst moments of my life so far.

Politicians play to your fears and/or your hatreds, and whomever garners enough of either is your winner. Plain and simple... the two-party system in the US is about to die, thank God. But unfortunately for us, its about 2 centuries too late.

Read Washington's 2nd farewell address about what political parties will do to political discourse in the US, read comments like these above and listen to the fools running for POTUS... and you immediately see why GW was the only politician to have ever said that political parties would ruin the US for any reasonably intelligent person can/should see that US politics is the cause of much of the maladies affecting our nation/world currently.

In order to properly control a population, you need smoke (Republicans) but you must also have mirrors (Democrats)... but really its just two old men standing on either side of a fence, each claiming his grass is greener, getting angrier and angrier... when each is really standing on the same turf.

Stupid is as stupid does, Forrest. Wake up and use that pink stuff between your ears!

AnnoyedGunOwner

Again, that is not what Dr. Paul said in that debate. May I suggest you go back and watch it again. He stated that it was blowback due to US foreign policy, not the US Government. This was also stated in the 9/11 commission report, as well as numerous other CIA reports. Please get your facts straight. And in light of these facts, it was Rudy that was ultimately proved to be called out, as you say.

Why can't we conservatives find a real conservative. Rudy is a flip flopper and will say what ever he thinks need to be said. Another Bush..
If any of you think he could beat H. Clinton, think again. Why did he bow out of the NY senator race with her if he is such a winner????DUH

Who said that it is illegal to own a gun in New York. It is legal, but difficult.

Wow. It really bothers me when a popular blogger spells enforcement "endforcement." I mean honestly....does he how to speak the english language...you don't even pronounce in endforcement.

Everyone keeps comparing him to Bush. Bush is no ally of gun owners, but Rudy's views on guns are more in line with Obama and Hilary.

How about repealing some of the 22,000 unconsitutional gun laws that are on the books???

Hilary, Rudy, Obama, McCain, Romney... There is no difference in any of them. Our country is doomed.

Well, now all the GOP candidates are on board supporting the 2nd Amendment to the Bill of Rights. Too bad they don't have any regard for the other nine (except for Ron Paul). I spent 45 years as an unpaid Republican advisor, and we won a lot of elections. In those days we talked a LOT about "limited government," "personal liberty" and "respect for the Constitution". Then the Bush crime family took over and changed all that.

Joe Panacone

You say "The mayor is a Northeastern conservative." Here is news Joe; there ARE NO conservatives in the Northeastern states.

hahah how ironic....i missed "know" and then said "in" instead of "it." I therefore rescind my comment.

Neocons have ruined the republican party and now they want us to support yet another neocon such as rudy, Romney, Thompson etc.

As a true conservative, I will vote for Ron Paul in 08 regardless.

Dr Paul believes in the constitution, smaller government and does not waffle on issues, no wonder why he is no longer accepted by most republicans.

Go ahead GOPers continue to support big government, more wars, more nation building, more entitlements and pork spending. Continue to support government to answer all our problems, just like the liberals you despise. You lost congress in 06 and rightfully so, continue to support the war in 08 and you will lose the WH as well. Your positions are working so well. Keep it up.

I never left the republican party it left me.

Annoyed, do care where you live or what you hunt? No, I don't...come to PA once and walk through the woods, and tell me you can't get lost here...you can't see 20 ft in front of you through the undergrowth...also, I never called you a liar about C2C, what do I care if you're close-minded and eat spoonfed propaganda (I don't listen to C2C, so don't try attacking me on this issue again)...BTW, I've been hunting since I can remember, I know what plants are edible, which ones aren't, and I don't need some idiot from Alaska telling me I'm full of BS as far as what I know...seeing as how you're selling "hunts" to tourists...what I know is what I know and when the smoke clears, can you be as sure as I am that your instincts will guide you through it? I don't care what you say about me and I don't care what you think you know about me, because at the end of the day, you're still gonna be as blind as when you woke up...LMFAO

tim

You are the first person I have ever seen who has rescinded their comment. I commend you for that.

Not only are there no conservatives in the north east, but there is NO WAY that any conservative will EVER be elected in New Your City. The fact that Rudy was is CLEAR evidence of where he stands on issues.

..and the Republican party continues to fracture. So long righties and welcome to the world of Clinton/Obama. Your party is done.

Police officers are a reactionary force for the most part. Unless you have an armed bodyguard like that hipocrite Rosie, then you have the right to defend family, property and yourself. The Second Admendment is THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE!! How can a person have other freedoms if they have no means of resisting someone like Hugo Chavez. If the Dems and Dems in Republican clothing, yes, I am talking about Rudy, take the White House then be prepared for another round of the UN trying to pass a global gun ban. Just remember that if you want to carry a gun, then learn to shoot from a qualified and certified instructor, because every round you fire you are responsible for.

Iron Mike, are you from the N.E.?

If it means that we have to support another tepid republican like Bush, get ready for Clinton to be president because we conservatives ARE NOT going to do that again.

Ken

Born and raised in Broklyn, NY. After college I joined the Navy and left there. I saw the rest of this country and WOW!!! I'll NEVER go back. My parents are nuts to stay there but it's all they know. What a breath of fresh air it was to get out of there. What a nice change to hear people actually speak about things after having studied them and thought about them instead of the absolute predictible response you are going to get on the street anywhere in the northeast and for sure, in NY City.

Our country is not doomed. No one running for office will be perfect, and even if they were actually perfect all of us imperfect people would fail to recognize it. This kind of debate is what actually allows us to make good decisions in spite of that fact. All of the candidates can be expected to not only "spin" their message to their audience, but also to change their minds on occasion. For example, I used to think Islam was a relatively benign religion. Boy was that dumb.

Repeal the 2nd Ammendment.

Why is it OK to amend the constitution to deny gays the right to wed but not to significantly reduce murders in our nation? (And please don't cite an ancient text that's purported to be authored by the invisible sky king.)

We're not fighting the English or "savages" anymore with muskets. Hunting rifles are one thing, but handguns and automatic weapons have no place in modern society.

don't be fooled, Giuliani is a facist. I'm a New Yorker and under his reign as mayor of my city it was actually illegal to dance in most nightclubs. You'd get thrown out or the bar would recieve a ticket. He's a power hungry leader who gets off on dictating people's freedoms.

Ken

Born and raised in Broklyn, NY. After college I joined the Navy and left there. I saw the rest of this country and WOW!!! I'll NEVER go back. My parents are nuts to stay there but it's all they know. What a breath of fresh air it was to get out of there.

What a nice change to hear people actually speak about things after having studied them and thought about them instead of the absolute predictible response you are going to get on the street anywhere in the northeast and for sure, in NY City. Those are the most closed minded people I've ever been around but I didn't realize it until I got out. I was just like them until I saw how the rest of America lives and what they value. No wonder the rest of this nation thinks the northeast is nuts. They ARE!!!

Iron Mike, I'm BFE, PA, and trust me, there are plenty of conservatives here...lots of rebel flags too...

Stood up when you should have shut up, huh!Rudy?
I too have evolved! You sir, have just lost our family's votes. Fool me once,shame on you.......
twice....no way. By the way....your pants are on fire!

Jerry Lapple, N.C.

Someone else said it already:

"Democrats are socialists/communists. Republicans are liberals."

The only true conservative is Ron Paul.

Those of you that don't think Ron Paul has a chance should stop being slaves to the main stream media.

The main stream media is controlled by privileged globablists whose interests coincide with 99% of our politicians.

They all want the average American to be nothing but ignorant, dependant, slaves.

Don't believe anything the media or politicians have to say.

If you true conservatives would stop being wusses, you would get off your butts and vote for Ron Paul.

Not to pour cold water on this party, but do the gun rights supporters know that the 2nd Amendment only applies to Federal gun laws and not state or local laws. Whatever the Amendment may mean, it is a bar only to federal action, not extending to state or private restraints. Presser v. Illinois, 116 U.S. 252, 265 (1886). The nonapplication of the Second Amendment to the states is still the law today. Quilici v. Village of Morton Grove, 695 F. 2d 261 (7th Cir. 1982), cert. denied, 464 U.S. 863 (1983). Even a strict constructionist would have to make this argument since none of the bill of rights applied to the states at our nation's founding until the Fourteenth Amendment (thus, permitting state supported churches and state press censors).

The mayor exercised the authority of the city of New York when he restricted guns. State legislatures have the power to either ban them completely or allow unrestricted access without concern for the 2nd Amendment. So you see there is no right to bear arms except in the context of federal action. How is that for cold water?

guns4none

I'm with you. So let somebody introduce a bill in congress to do that and see if it will pass. Wanna bet on the outcome? Until then, you can't do it. PERIOD!!

!!!!!!!!!! R O N P A U L 4 L Y F E MUTHAFUKAS !!!!!!!

Wake up people, it's election time and Rudy and all the others are flip flopping to get as many votes as possible. He's now pro-gun after all the years for gun control; he's now pro life after all the years of being pro-abortion. Sorry Rudy, a flip flopper will never get my vote.

Thank you for coming to your senses Rudy! It was beginning to look like the election was going to be a choice between 'Gun Grabbin' Rudy' and 'Friend of Carolyn McCarthy, Psycho-Commie Hillary'.
Now there's one candidate I can actually vote for.

Harris

The mayor exercised the authority of the city of New York when he restricted guns. State legislatures have the power to either ban them completely or allow unrestricted access without concern for the 2nd Amendment. So you see there is no right to bear arms except in the context of federal action. How is that for cold water?

It is not cold water harris. It is BS and it is WRONG and there is a case comingup before the Supreme Court about the Washington DC law being against the Second Amendment and it SHOULD provide all of us with some answers to the proposition that the Constitution does not say what it says.

Geez. Rudy Rudy Rudy, always caniving and trying to tow the party line. Then again, who isn't? Thompson, Hillary, Obama, Huckabee, Mitt, all of them are too... except maybe Thompson, he's looking pretty lazy. I say vote for Ron Paul. Or Kucinich. Or a third party. Just vote for someone who will do what they say... regardless of whether they support the NRA!

I would bet my right arm that if democrats put on Rudy's desk a renewal of the "assault" weapons ban--more known to gun owners as the semi-auto rifle ban--, he would sign it. His view of the 2nd amendment is that Americans have a right, sometimes, to own a bb-gun. He's no conservative.

Don't fall for it people. Rudy said "Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety," That means your right is not absolute, it depends on how you define a reasonable of saftey. That could mean anything. He would support anti-gun legislation if he feels you need to be more safe. That's how he justifed his anti-gun laws stance as Mayor and his suing of VA.

Bang
Now your a good lawyer Harris

Hopefully you mean what you say and are not just bareface lying. I'll give you the benefit of doubt. You do need to extend on this though. I have a permit to carry a gun. I willfully let the sherrifs dept fingerprint me to get my permit. People like me who do that are not planning on committing crimes. When will the idiots of this country realize this? Now if you can only come around on the abortion issue, you may get some of our conserative votes.

I hope nobody out there is dumb enough to fall for this.

Rudy is an authoritarian creep-show - and his pandering skills are nowhere near enough to cover that up.

So a consultant taught him how to say the right things. Am I supposed to be impressed? Am I supposed to imagine that he won't double-cross us as soon as he's elected - and claim he's doing it to "fight terrorism?"

Give me a break.

Oh - and the staged phone call from his wife? Could he have sent a bigger signal that the whole thing, from gun rights to outrage at Moveon to his marriage, is as fake as a Vegas stripper?

Ken

Iron Mike, I'm BFE, PA, and trust me, there are plenty of conservatives here...lots of rebel flags too...

I KNOW that is the truth. I was stationed there for a short while and there are more deer there than people. It's a GREAT hunting state and some of the finest people I've ever met. Just decent down to earth hard working people. Whever I go now, when I find someone from the Keystone State, I know they are going to be of solid stock and they are going to be team players who will carry their share of the load without complaint.

All the best.

Come on now people, when the Second Amendment was written the people did not have access to AK-47s or Uzis. Do you think that every citizen has the right to bear those while walking down the street just becuase the 2nd states in part, "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"? What about carrying RPG's? Does the Constitution protect our right to own and drive an armed tank? Use some common sense. The Constitution is a living breathing thing. If you disagree with a law write your Congressman or vote for someone you agree with.

Dear anonymous, Are you a real or pretend lawyer?

Your response to matt j.
Four parts
1. A well regulated Militia,
2. being necessary to the security of a free State,
3. the right of the people to keep and bear Arms,
4. shall not be infringed.
Part 1 is in reference to part 2. Part 3 is in reference to part 4.
This breaks it down to two clauses:
"A well regulated Militia is necessary for the security of a free State."
and
"The right of the people to keep and bear Arms SHALL NOT be infringed."

Hey guns4none,
What kind of car do you drive? I think you should only be allowed to own a 4 cylinder car. That's all you need. Why do you need to go from 0-60 in less than 10 seconds. V8 cars and trucks have no place in modern society.

How dare you presume to tell us what we need, you fascist assclown!

guns4none,
If you don't think were fighting "savages" anymore - evidentally you don't read any Chicago newspapers. There are stories about the "savages" killing innocent people every single day. I know you liberals say we should just reason with the "savages", but I'd like to see you try that technique on the south side of Chicago...

We are in deep s#$%, So only the police and military should have gun's? Or only those that can pass a "TEST". Ever hear of (Jim crow voters act)Just who is going to give this "TEST"?

Rudy respects the Second Amendment and will protect it like he respects and keeps his marriage vows that he solemly swares before God and man.

Yeah. Marriage vows Over and over and over. Which time was Rudy telling the truth? How will anybody know?

Gee Rudy-- you just discover the right to defend yourself? Interesting-- what about your views on a national concealed carry permit?

sanctions for free speech? that's crossing a very dangerous line. is this china or america?

Sorry, Rudy. You are such a hypocrite. Why don't you go buy some camo clothes, a shotgun and then go hunting a la John Kerry to show what a big 2nd Amend supporter you are.


right on, mr. guiliani, as long as the bad guys have one, i want on too. a very strong supporter, lucinda scrittore

He'll get a phone call from his wife. That's how we'll know!

OOOHHHH Please!!!!!

For those who haven't taken the time to read the entire 2nd amendment or learn how our federal courts understand the meaning.

PLEASE DO SO

The 2nd Amendment refers to the right for the citizenry to have a fully armed militia (National Guard) NOT the right of Joe Citizen to have gun (penis extention).

Don't buy this folks. The ex-mayor I believe has very few ethical standards. I can assure you that if the democrats stay in Congress and pass anti-guns laws he will crawfish and sign them for the sake of his power base.

Yes, he led us through a difficult time. Yes, perhaps he did manage to reduce crime in NY. But that wasn't accomplished by creating laws restricting gun ownership in the city. It was done by putting a police officer on every corner and prosecuting more harshly those that broke the law.

Hey GUNS4NONE: You are right, we are not fighting the "English or Savages" anymore. Today we are fighting enemies 100 times as hateful and deadly. Unfortunately some of them live in our neighborhoods. And some of them sit around all day and figure out how to kill us.

You probably think like your fellow liberal pals, that the neo-cons are in fear over nothing, but that is your opinion and it is not based on facts. If you base your facts on history rather than liberalism you will see that we all have very much to fear. And one more thing. Banning guns would not decrease murders in our nation. You know it to be true because if you look at the FACTS you will see that CRIMINALS who murder people don't care about laws. If they will violate one of the ultimate laws (murder) then why would they care about breaking a little no-gun law? The answer for you who were educated in Government schools is that that wouldn't care which = criminals having guns, law abiding citizens not having guns. I am not living in the society bud, and I don't think you want to either.

OH yeah and the gay thing. First I assume that you are not a Christian and are possibly gay. And if that is the case then there is no sense in discussing with you about the rights of gays or whether or not it is immoral. I only offer you my prayers. I pray the holy spirit will seek you out by his grace and allow you to become a believer and change your life. Bless you.

Hey Matt from NYC,
When the first amendment was written, people didn't have access to pornography, but that's covered. You're damn right the 2nd Amendment covers AK-47's and Uzi's. I legally own both of those, along with a M-203 grenade launcher for my M-16 fully automatic rifle. And yes, it also covers driving an armored vehicle, as long as you register it and it fits within the lanes on the road. If you bothered to look before you spouted off, you can buy a surplus armored personnel carrier, if you wanted one. It's called FREEDOM. You need to get out more, my friend.


"How dare you presume to tell us what we need, you fascist assclown!"

Thomas

You are a true poet sir!

Daisy,

The DC case deals with a DC law and last time I looked, the District of Columbia was a Federal District, ultimately controlled by Congress, which is why they do not get national representation and the like. So even if the Supreme Court rules that the 2nd Amendment is about individuals and not state militias, it still does not automatically apply to the states. The fact that 44 of the 50 states have their own constitutional amendments has more impact. But who can name which amendment really protects their right to bear arms from the states, it is not the 2nd.

As for Steve B, the beauty of gun ownership in VA is . . . not if I get you first.

Rooty is lying.

Kinsley nails that whole MoveOn.org debacle in Time by lampooning the life out of it. Because what the heck else are you going to do when, as Kinsley points out, "Some of the meanest, most ornery hombres around are suddenly feeling faint. Notorious tough guys are swooning with the vapors. The biggest beasts in the barnyard are all aflutter over something they read in the New York Times"?

I thought you liberals were all about choice? You don't want to give me the choice on where to send my kids to school. And you certainly don''t want to give me the choice to own a firearm to protect myself and my family. What is it with you people? Firearms certainly aren't for everyone, but neither is having kids or driving a car. Do my background check, and then BUTT OUT !!! As long as someone is not legally prohibited from owning a gun (i.e. felon, mental history, illegal alien, etc...) it''s none of your damn business if I own a firearm, and what kind of firearm it is. Lock me away for life if I ever commit a crime with it, but until then, don't give me this public safety garbage. Why can't you libs simply choose not to be a part of something and then let it be. No, if it's something you don't like, something you don't agree with, you have to try to make it illegal. Look in the mirror the next time you call someone a fascist!

I'll only vote for candidates who respect the sanctity of the Constitution. I'd rather have a Democrat in the White House than tolerate the debasement of the Republican platform. I'm not voting for Gulliani, and I hope his defeat will be a warning to any future candidate: violate the Constitution at your own peril.

And for those who claim defenders of the Second Amendment cite it selectively, I suggest it is those who would undermine it who read it with bias. The entire clause, including the preamble, is relevent to its intent. "So that a well regulated malitia be maintained" is just as important to its meaning as "right to bare arms". The Fathers wanted citizenry to be able to organize militias should they feel threatened by the government or any other tyrant. How can this be accomplished with gun control? The two clauses are dependent upon one another - violate one, and the other can not exist. Just because one may choose not to join a malitia does not revoke their right to arms. Learn to read law before espousing nonsense.

An armed man is a citizen-An unarmed man is a subject!

A gun in the hand is worth more than a cop on the phone!

The Second Amendment was put in place in case power hungry politicians forget the others!

Remember, Hitler's Germany demanded gun registration and then confiscation. The cry of "Never Again" rings hollow as people have forgotten due to a dumbing down of history in our politically correct school systems.

Our Liberal/Socialist press and media scream when the First Amendment is threatened and yet they continue to attack our 2nd Amendment rights!

Rudy had good press on 911 but further investigation shows that he was not all the press claimed he was.

How many New Yorkers have ridden or will ride in a body bag because of illegal denial of the right to carry a legal firearm while the liberal NY Court system kisses the behinds of the savage elements stalking the streets for more victims?

Harris

You live in la la land sport. I can read and I KNOW what the Second Amendment says, so I don't need any dam court to do anything and for sure, I don't need you.

Soap Box
Ballot Box
Jury Box
Cartridge Box

The foundation of a Constitutional Republic.
Destroy one, no matter the particular "box".
And the work of the Founders will no longer exist.
Teacher Nan ,
I would be interested in your views on the duties of a citizen called to serve as a juror.
"Assault Rifles" The ownership of select fire
firearms has been regulated by the federal government since 1936.
A $200.00 tax stamp and federal license are needed.
Failure to comply could get a ten year ,no parole sentence in Leavenworth or other federal prison.
No new select fire weapons have been manufactured or imported for civilian use since 1986.
Regards,Creosote

Why does he say, "A person's home is their castle; They have the right to protect themselves in their own home"? Shouldn't Americans have the right to defend themselves ANYWHERE?!?! How ludicrously can the Constitution be interpreted? We have the right to keep AND bear arms... PERIOD!

Some are reading the 2nd amendment different than I, the 2nd amendment forbids government from taking away an unalienable right, it does not grant anything. Rudy needs to learn this.

Maybe if Ed in Boston actually had a penis between his legs & not a huge gash - he would realize it was strong men that founded this country, not little homo's that would have rather spent all their time decorating their log cabins with pretty doylie's...

I find this incredible. In one article, it discusses Giuliani's flip-flop on guns, where he actually comes closer to listening to the Constitution, and then it is noted that he believes someone should be "sanctioned" for political speech. I don't support the ad itself, but every man and woman in uniform is there fighting for their right to say it. Ridiculous.

Mike Huckabee looks more and more like the man to lead our nation going forward. He clearly understands where he stands so he has no need to evolve to appease the audience of the day.

I will never vote for any of the flatulent windbag "top tier" GOP candidates, even if it means that a Dem will win. This country is sunk if we don't make a serious shift towards constitutional government, so we better make the break from the GOP socialists, and sooner is better than later.

The idea that the term "militia" meant "National Guard" is rediculous. The Guard did not and would not exist for over 100 years after the drafting of the 2nd Amendment.

Again, those who would deny the right to bare arms suffer from a basic ability to comprehend the language of law. The entire second amendment is a two clause statement, the first stating the need and vehicle for free citizens to defend themselves against tyranny, the second protecting the right necessary for the first.

I would blame the incompetancy of a public school system for this lack of simple reading comprehension, but I fear it is far more sinister.

I'm sorry but I don't believe any northern politician when it comes to gun control, just look at the evidence of all the restrictive rules for law abiding citizens and the coddling of criminals in the northeastern states.

Rudy for president - what a joke!
He's just like Hillary w/ his finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing! The guy couldn't run a pizzaria!

So when Rudy FLIP-FLOPS, it's termed an "evolution." Will that fly in Kansas?

Interesting to note that through mid-July, Giuliani’s on-air interview time on Fox totaled about 115 minutes -- 25 percent greater than that of his GOP competitor Mitt Romney, and nearly double that of John McCain. Fred Thompson came in second with 101 minutes of Fox interviews.

Looks like Rudy's the annointed one. Maybe Bernie Kerik will get that high-level post yet.

Actions speak louder than words they say. While Hill and Bill invited Mr. Terror himself, Yassir Arafat 54 times to D.C. Rudy Giuliani threw him out of a concert in NYC! While Hillary kissed and embraced Suha Arafat, Rudy tore up a $10 Million check from a Saudi Prince who demanded Rudy distance himself from Israel.(Would Billary have kept that dirty Arab money? If the Hsu fits Hill, wear it!) Rudy put Gotti in jail while Billary released coke dealers, tax cheats, sexual predators, and terrorists from prisons. Our Liberal Dems had better pray on a stack of Qurans that Rudy won't have an "epiphany" and become pro-life! :)

Coming soon to a theater near you, "Say Anything II" starring Rudy Giuliani.

I was reading where George W. only has 5 cows on his ranch, no horses, and he enjoys cutting brush. "Enjoys cutting brush" - har har No one enjoys cutting brush my friends.
Apparently, George W. is all hat and no cattle.
Rudy is cocky like Bush, and apparently full of gas like George W. - maybe he'll going hunting w/ Cheney or with that dork Kerry!
I'm tied of always voting for the lesser of two slimeballs! I may sit this election out.

Rudy's pandering.

But as a member of the NRA, I'm happy we bought him,anyway.

Does anyone believe this guy? He is an authoritarian and will take away the 2nd amendment if given half the chance.

Ron Paul is The candidate who will protect the 2nd Amendment, and restore your rights and the Constitution. Check Paul's voting record on gun rights! All the rest of them are just pandering for votes, including Fraud Thompson - don't be fooled again.

What an idiotic issue. Our country faces far more serious problems today than this trival matter.

Let the gun huggers have their damn weapons. Contrary to their whining though, the right to bear arms per the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with one's personal self-defense. The reason was to have a sufficient amount of armed people readily available to form militias if needed for the security of a free State.

So, let's put this issue to bed. Everyone, who wants to hold a weapon, should be required to work a certain number of hours per month or quarter with law enforcement or the military. They could help out in areas such as securing our borders, curbing gang activity, patrolling local neighborhoods, etc. Every six months or whatever, require them to requalify to marksman level on every weapon held.

Opponents would go away because gun carriers would start being viewed as very beneficial members of society rather than crackpots or potentional criminals. Likewise pro-gun folks might finally see why ownership of assault weapons ought to be banned or severely limited.

I love how he blasts Romney for Flip Flopping, but when he changes his mind...its an EVOLUTION!! Apparently Rudy has a copyright on authentic change. Odd though, he says his views changed after 9/11 but he didn't do ANYTHING or say ANYTHING to change the law while he was in office.....wierd?

Nice to see our next president is going to uphold his oath, to uphold the constitution, and defend it against all enemies, foreign and domestic, meaning liberal democrats. the 2nd amend has nothing to do with hunters rights, or the national rifle association, its to protect us from our own goverment, so if we decide to change our goverment we will have the power to do so, just like all the other amendments protect us against the goverment

You people who think that Rudy has come to his senses about our right to keep & bear arms have lost any good sense you had. He can't be trusted.

hey "JEFF," -

Do you live on the South side of Chicago? I'm guessing not. Therefore, following your logic, you don't need a gun either!

TRUE GUN CONTROL IS NEVER MISSING YOUR TARGET

Don't trust him or McCain when it comes to gun rights.

If Mike actually shot a fully automatic assault weapon, he would finally see that ownership of them is downright FUN !!!

to Beckster -

I'm am neither gay nor a non-believer, but thanks for the prayers!

Sorry Mayor Rudy.... when a politician changes his views just as he is trying to get elected, I kind of suspect his views are built on sand. That is they shift, and shift as the wind blows.

And gun rights are not about 'duck hunting' or one's safety in the house. They truely are about keeping the 'security of the state'. And it says the rights of the people, not rights of the states, or militia, or government, to keep and bear arms.

I SEE ALL THE LIBERALs FOUND THIS SITE!


They truly are afraid of RUDY; and that's a GOOD thing. They know he'll whip Hillary in'08!

The 5 worst words ever to hear:
"Hillary Clinton, Commander in Chief"

How to teach Liberals reality: tell them to move out of their parents house, get a job, and pay taxes!

Silly Liberals, paychecks are for workers...

WOW! I love reading the irrational ramblings of the gun nuts! How sad that your whole identity is shattered by the threat of taking away your precious gun. Obsessive love of guns is a recognized mental illness. You did know that, right?

Hey Bill Clay,
Is obsessive love of FREEDOM a mental illness?

MoveOn.org speaks the truth.
How many generals did Bush have to fire before he found one that would lie?

And all you gun rights guys.... why do you always leave out the part in the Constitution where it puts the whole thing in its proper context.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

So to protect the people against tyranny people had to own guns. John Adams reads the Constitution but does not understand it himself. There was no standing army at the time so people had to defend themselves.

Are you saying that because a lot of people believe that Bush is running a tyrannical administration they have the right to start an insurgency in the USA?

You don't get it!

I ran the numbers at the CDC website. From 2002 - 2004 there were 90,000 firearm deaths and there was 1 terrorism death. Rudy really has his priorities set "right". I think he wandered around downtown NYC on 911 too long. Did he ever find the command headquarters? Hint - no they were in the WTC. Go Rudy. LOL

Hey Mike,

You are right in stating that the second amnendment was about individuals having the right to keep and bear arms. The founding fathers made it perfectly clear that the Second Amendment was respecting the right of the citizenry to be armed to overthrow a tyrannical state (read that: an abusive federal government).

You are mistaken, however to think that the marxist-socialists will ever accept the idea that anyone other than a government sponsored military has the right to own guns. Their goal is to stop us FROM defending ourselves against their intended goal of a socialist totalitarian state.

Finally, the Bill of Rights was NOT about defining our rights as granted by the newly formed federal government. It was about acknowledging and delineating those rights are granted to us by our Creator and limiting the government's ability to reduce us to slavery to this very system that we now face.

Moron.org?
Just like their members/supporters.

Annoy a liberal: Work hard, be happy!

Liberalism is a mental disorder. It's caused by living too close to the ocean. (Salty air?)
This explains San Fransicko and New Yuck cities...

The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to protect the 1st and Rudy has shown that he is hostile to both. He's almost as disingenuous as Mitt Romney.

Ron Paul 2008

Hey Radical American Patriot,

I think that the Bush adminstration is an abusive federal government. Do I have a constitutional right to overthrow the government using an AK-47?

TWO THINGS THAT ARE BAD FOR GUNS....LIBERALS ANS RUST....DO AWAY WITH BOTH...THANKS RUDY

In reading many of the comments here, many people dont believe Rudy... Well, I at least believe he will be tough on the jerks across this world, and THATS what we need.

First off, its HIGHLY unlikely he would change our gun laws. However, if you want to vote socialist....ooops sorry, I mean democrat, then you can bet your backside they will certainly try. And btw....they dont believe we are at war......so what does that say?

Second, who the heck really cares what his opinion is on abortion????? Hes not going to change it! Is this really a determining factor of whether or not you can handle the job of being president? If so, many of you have your heads up your butts and have forgotten what really matters. Just keep in mind, we will continue to have abortion....like it or not! Removing it would create problems most of us can not envision. Its nice to have an ideal society, but we dont! If you think we can, then you had better get off the drugs you are taking, or get on some.....

I do think Rudy is the best candidate at the point.... As for Thompson......I have no idea... I just dont want Hillary, Edwards or Obama... And thats a different argument..

I am not Conservative, I am not Liberal. I am human. I believe in what is right and look for the answers to do so. Giuliani is a hypocrite and a liar like any other politician for that is what they do to get votes (obviously). I am a firm believer in the unalienable right to bear arms. These are the only things that keep us from being a peasant/serf/slave. Those who fail to realize that are ignorant and deserve to be enslaved as well as have their rights taken away. I believe in no restrictions to what arms we can own. Before you liberals start to yell at me about this I am talking about arms that the normal soldier uses. By this I mean pistols, rifles, assault-rifles, SMG's, artillery (after all they are technically bullets but just on a much larger scale), mortars, AA and AT missle launchers not tanks, jets, ICBM's, etc. These are the weapons of the modern infantry soldier. Since every able-bodied person in this country between the ages of 17-45 are the militia, and the militia is responsible for the common defense (no not the National Guard because they were formed in 1903, are payed, and are obligated to go where the military goes overseas), should we not have the ability to have the same weapons as an invading army would?? And I firmly believe that they should not be regulated. And before the liberal yuppie and the so-called gun rights owner who believes in regulation yells at me note this, CRIMINALS DO NOT WIELD THESE WEAPONS FOR CRIME. That is the average criminal, as proven by studies and research done through actual experience and interviews with those caught, prefer concealable weapons such as handguns to commit their crimes. Why would they use a rocket launcher to commit a crime when 1) they would be massively expensive to buy and maintain, so far out of the price range of the common criminal, that they would be able to use them to begin with?? 2) they would have the wrath of not only the police, FBI, ATF (which should be abolished for they do nothing but waste taxpayers money and harass the law-abiding), the National Guard, Military, and those true citizens who want to actually live up to the 2nd Amendment and defend this country from both enemies foreign and domestic that they would be systematically crushed 3) if they say criminals band together for the long haul of this episode they wouldn't, the common criminal only cares for possession, money, and himself, and are generally not that intelligent to begin with. Moving on, those who own guns but are anti-gun are hypocrites. I guarantee if the government decided tomorrow to banned guns they would get rid of them. Same thing goes for those who say they are pro-gun and believe in regulations or licensing here is a little history that was posted by a previous commenter:

"A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to
1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves,
were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917,
1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945,
a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend
themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952,
20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves,
were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981,
100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979,
300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977,
one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th
Century because of gun control: 56 million. It has now been over
12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law
to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their
own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more
than $500 million.

The first year results are now in.

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now
up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned
them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns.

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the
past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is
unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and
assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain
how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and
money was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns.

The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians
spreading this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind
them of this history lesson. With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them,
we are 'subjects'.

During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because
they knew most Americans were armed."

You therefore are no better than the tyrants themselves because you give them the ability to do this. And before you say that this is reasonable if you have nothing to hide, I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DISCLOSE WHAT I OWN TO THE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IT IS NOT THEIR BUSINESS!!!! The last time I checked this was a democracy (or so it seemed) where the people had basic human rights that are God-given in which the Bill of Rights puts into writing so people like you cannot take them away. Therefore you are hypocrites. All of you liberals who say ban guns are living in a fantasy world and are wasting brain space. Criminals do not obey laws and never will. Ever heard of the "black market?" It exists just like the human extinct to cause harm to others. It will never go away no matter what you do to regulate it. Your cause is a Utopian dream just like ending poverty, socialism, and global warming/environment. It is only going to continue to get worse and will never change. Back on topic, I own many guns. I am a college student. I have lived in the suburbs all my life. I bought these guns without prior knowledge of firearms or training through others except through books, I didn't need a license or class to know how to use them. Guns were not made to be complicated as you people who believe we need licenses to own them make them out to be. I have never shot myself, others, or have any dreams or sick fantasies of doing so. I do not tote them around in public like a jacka**. I only load the ammo when I am on the firing line at the range ready to shoot them. I always have the safety on when they are not in use. People who get drunk, act stupid around firearms, and shoot themselves do not represent me or responsible gun owners in this country. Those people in fact most of the time who do those things happen to be law-enforcement officials (believe me I have the stories to back it up and just because they are cops does not automatically assume they are better at handling firearms than me, they are human after all), people who have never held a firearm before and think it is like Hollywood (typically Liberals who think they know what they are talking about and doing), and typical dumba**es who happen to be drunk and already have had previous criminal records are the ones who do these idiotic things. People who do shoot themselves deserve to die because 1) they are stupid and can't be trusted even with a car let a lone a gun and 2) prove Darwinism to be true. In closing I believe as Americans we have the freedoms and right to do whatever we want as long as they do no harm to others. Gay marriage?? who cares??????? if two people of the same sex want to be married how is it in any shape or form hurting you??? they deserve to be miserable like the rest of us. Abortion?? it's a woman's body it is her choice. How would you feel if someone told you what to do with your body!! Don't like guns, THEN DON'T BUY THEM!!! That is why I am voting for Ron Paul. I don't care about his chances for winning or not. At least he is honest and sticks to what he believes in and supports the American peoples' right to choose. In closing the AK's you hear about in the news are cheap, semi-auto only knockoffs. Real ones are already heavily regulated under NFA as well as guns that can be easily converted to that standard so knock off the bs about how easy they are to get and how dangerous they are in this country. A clone AK knock-off is no better than a Marlin Camp 9. The only difference is how they look which attributes to nothing of how lethal a weapon is.

Guns - Don't hate 'em till you try 'em.

I've slept with every woman I've dated who I took to the range and let shoot my fully automatic UZI submachine gun. Ha-Ha. Hilarious, but true! The empowerment women feel at being able to protect themselves is intoxicating, it works better than tequila !!! Chicks dig the UZI !

Rudy is a fascist and exactly the kind of career politician we need less of. The man keeps touting his record of what he did in NY... - OK then let's talk about why it's illegal to even have a gun in your own home in the people's republic of NY.

Actions speak louder than words Rudy, and people are sick of politicans that run for office and give their word and then turn around and do the exact opposite once elected, a la GWB and Bubba Clinton.

This is all moot conjecture anyway because the republican party will never nominate an anti-gun (no matter what he says), pro abortion and pro illegal immigration / amnesty nominee anyway. This is the Democrats platform!! Why would the republicans adopt it!! Think about it...

Your rights come from God and are secured by the Constitution. It is because our elected officials believe in neither of the above, that the country is in the sorry state that it is. God help us if we get another clinton or Bush clone...

No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
---Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776.

Ah but not slaves. They all loved slaves. In fact old Tom loved them a little too much. I guess they weren't really that bright.


Ed in Boston said:
"The 2nd Amendment refers to the right for the citizenry to have a fully armed militia (National Guard) NOT the right of Joe Citizen to have gun (penis extention)."

Hey Ed, read it yourself. But this time get your facts right before you misquote them.

The National Guard is NOT the "militia" - ever notice that the guns, artillery pieces, and tanks the National Guard uses are NOT owned by the members, but by the government?

"Joe Citizen" is EXACTLY who the 2nd Amendment refers to when it recognizes the inalienable right to keep and bear arms.

The REASON we have an inalienable right to form a militia is to guarantee our other rights (note they are not "privildges").

The most important Amendment is the 1st. The only thing that guarantees ALL the things in the 1st is the 2nd. That makes the 2nd just as sacred as the 1st and the only thing that guarantees that no fluff-headed moron or evil-minded, power-hungry politician can take away your right to say stupid things. I would think you would be glad that the 2nd Amendment is there so you can continue saying stupid things.

Finally, you saying "NOT the right of Joe Citizen to have gun (penis extention)." is the stupid thing I was referring to, but I am sure you have lots of otehr stupid things to say. Go right ahead and say them now. The 1st Amendment guarantees that right (it doesn't GRANT it), and the 2nd Amendment backs that guarantee up ith an iron-clad warranty.

Trust me. Those of us who have fought for your right to right to be a moron - we all laugh at you - but we still defend your right to make us laugh so much.

Giuliani keeps saying that gun laws need to be left up to the state or local government. I won't vote for a politician that would gladly delegate federal rights enumerated in the Constitution to a lower level of government. Not only is it unconstitutional, the last thing we need is for these nut cases running California to get their hands on the Constitution. Are you kidding me?

Bye Giuliani. You aren't going to make it this time around, or ever as a Republican presidential candidate. Time to change your stripes back to where you belong... as a liberal Democrat.

To the gentlemen who offered that people should have to take a test or pass a course to own a gun your arguement is logical and unfortunitly dead wrong. Example: What if I said that in order to voice your opinion, write your opinion or vote in an election you had to pass an IQ test with a minimum score? Attractive idea in that there would be many fewer Democrats but also unconstitutional. To the gentleman who trotted out the tired old arguement about a "well regulated Militia" please click the link and read the Senates interpretation of the 2nd amendnment.
http://hematite.com/dragon/senaterpt.html. In reference to Rudy's statement about sueing gun manufacturers to reduce crime, well that would be like sueing Ford to reduce traffic violations. And lastly, swimming pools kill more children every year than guns in the home without locks on them. So let's BAN SWIMMING POOLS!

RIGHT ON BECKSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Another apeaser, just saying what it takes to get elected. Huckabee's looking better every day.

I hope you Americans get a handle on the s**t that is coming down. Your our big brother. If you go down we all do. I have never seen throughout history, a people loose their liberties so quickly. You no longer have the "right" to own property, and soon via the UN and CODEX not even the right to choose the kind of food you eat, nor the kind of medicine you take. I hope to God, you band together to prevent such loses in your liberty. I know your choices are slim pickin’s not a good situation.

Your forefathers would have taken up arms long before now. The devil is in the details, and subtle. Abraham Lincoln knew where the threat to liberty would come from. He said it would not come from across the ocean, but from within, by committing suicide. I’m a Canadian and love your constitution, and I pray you hold fast to your liberty, it came at a great cost.

Your Little brother.

WAY TO GO, SCOTT PHILLIPS!!!!! I wish I could have said that....

Keep it up!!!! I will be there, right with you!

Tim

Hi Madge,
I was not defending *what* MoveOn did. I was defending their *right* to do it. Neither you nor I have to agree with it. In my post I did not articulate my position. Still you accused me of being "too ignorant to apologize."

What I don't understand is this: before the war there was no debate about whether to go in. The case for going in was a Slam Dunk -- there could be no dissent... And NOW dissent is stifled because "we are already there, we can't change that, we have to stay."

So my question is, when do we ever debate the justification for this war or war in general? If not at the beginning, and not in the middle, then when? Can we ever actually have a discussion without one side accusing the other of being unpatriotic, or *ignorant* ?

Having read Madge's caustic response to my rather innocuous post, it appears the answer is: No.

Reggie Watkins.......... Iagree except for the Ron Paul thing......GO Fred Thompson!!!!!!!!!!

Ahh GoRudy..you perfectly represent what all wacko, radical libs truly believe: The Constitution is just an outdated document written by a bunch of white slave owners. Thanks for finally be honest!

A Canadian Eh........You know more about the U.S. way than most of the people living here.... You would make a GREAT American!!

repubs eating repubs - i love it. Eat this too: last balanced budget was by a democrat. lol.

I have given it a lot of thought becoming an American, some of my freinds have. I am in your neck of the woods often, and have a lot of American friends. Have a lot of responsiblity here in Canada. Maybe some day. Just hope a pray for you guys. I suspect this next election is probably one of the most important in many many years. Everything is at stake.

Your brother.

Hey billybam, what people do you belong to?

As in "the right of the people" phrased used in amendments 1, 2 and 4.


Amendment 1
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Amendment 2
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Amendment 4
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


As for quoting the whole Second Amendment, I did so! Who are the militia that are referenced? The People!


"...I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers. ..."
George Mason, Virginia Constitution Convention

"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."

Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

Rudy is just another flip flop politician who wants my vote.Now he says he supports my 2nd amendment rights(that is, until the next disgruntled postal worker blows away his boss).
Personally, I don't giva a shittt. I am a well armed American Patriot.I own all the weapons I need.When my elected bellhops revoke my right to bear arms I will be an American Outlaw

He won't do anything to curtail our gun rights? Didn't I hear the same thing from Clinton during his first campaign, shortly before the Assault Weapons Bill was passed? Let's look at actions, not words. My vote will be for Fred.

Scott Phillips - You wanna write for my publishing company?

Rob - Right on!

GUNS4NONE - Glad to hear the news about your status. I am still praying for you though, cause I believe you are infected with that mental disorder called liberalism. If God can't heal you then nothing any conservatives say will!!

And to all - I leave you with the following - Andy Rooney's segment on 60 minutes the other night that CBS unbelievably hasn't apologized for:
___________________________________________________

Right on, Andy Rooney !

Andy Rooney said on '60 Minutes' a few weeks back:

I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except numbers.. The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, or Miss White America; and see what happens...Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door.

Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game.

I believe they are called the Boy Scouts for a reason, which is why there are no girls allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts! ARE YOU LISTENING MARTHA BURKE ?

I think that if you feel homosexuality is wrong, it is not a phobia, it is an opinion.

I have the right 'NOT' to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird, or tick me off.

When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is not racial profiling; it is the Law of Probability.

I believe that if you are selling me a milkshake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen, you should have to speak English!

My father and grandfather didn't die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.

I think the police should have every right to shoot you if you threaten them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the word 'freeze' or 'stop' in English, see the above lines.

I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you are qualified for any special loan programs, government sponsored bank loans or tax breaks, etc., so you can open a hotel, coffee shop, trinket store, or any other business.

We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk our lives in wars to defend their freedoms, so that decades later they could come over here and tell us our constitution is a living document; and open to their interpretations.

I don't hate the rich I don't pity the poor

I know pro wrestling is fake, but so are movies and television. That doesn't stop you from watching them.

I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue to make more. If it ticks you off, go and invent the next operating system that's better, and put your name on the building.

It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child ri ght, but it does take a parent to stand up to the kid; and smack their little behinds when necessary, and say 'NO!'

I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't pretend they are a political statement. And, please, stay home until that new lip ring heals. I don't want to look at your ugly infected mouth as you serve me French fries!

I am sick of 'Political Correctness.' I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them was born in Africa ; so how can they be 'African-Americans'? Besides, Africa is a continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American because my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from Europe I am proud to be from America and nowhere else

And if you don't like my point of view, tough...

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA , AND TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!


It is said that 86% of Americans believe in God. Therefore I have a very hard time understanding why there is such a problem in having 'In God We Trust' on our money and having 'God' in the Pledge of Allegiance. Why don't we just tell the 14% to BE QUIET!!!

Rudy is against the second amendment and the first amendment. There are only 10. Any others?

If there had been any real justice in the USA lately, 15 years ago when rudy was being a traitor and bringing suit against gun manufacturers, he would have been hanged as the traitor he is.
Then today it would be RUDY WHO? So, folks, fellow Americans, keep Rudy invisible. Watch how the liberal thieving fascist traitor murder pig democrat media keep trying to tell us we love rudy- WHY! Think about that- the big liberal murder pig media wants rudy....there is definitely something they are NOT telling us about him, Join GOA, and NRA-

WOW!!!! THIS IS GREAT!

I am finally seeing some true American blood on one of these blogs... Time and time again I see so many people who wont stand up for their country. And when I say their country, I mean mine as well.

We are citizens of the best country history has ever known. We are all empowered to do what makes us the best. So why dont we stand up for it? And I mean all of us!

Maybe George has not been such a great president, but I really cant think of anyone else doing better... Lets look at the brewing turmoil he inherited from the last administration and our Economic leaders (Enron and Arthur Anderson), and just how does anyone expect him to really shine as Bill Clinton did? Bill Clinton no longer had a Soviet threat, he had a growing economy as well as a calm period of tiime...and this was not from his doing....just think .coms and the fall of the soviets!

Overall like most here, I am an American and citizen of the United States of America. Lets all remember that, and our forefathers who lost their lives protecting what we have. If it fails, then we let it fail..... Lets never have that discussion!

To Earls: That link is dead - Is this the one?

http://www.constitution.org/mil/rkba1982.htm

The Right to Keep and Bear Arms
REPORT of the SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE CONSTITUTION
of the UNITED STATES SENATE
NINETY-SEVENTH CONGRESS
Second Session

February 1982

Printed for the use of the Committee on the Judiciary
______
U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE
WASHINGTON: 1982

Vote for Fred Thompson in primaries.

We need Clintons back in the White House.

THREE CHEERES FOR ANDY ROONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HIPPHIPP HURRAY
HIPPHIPP HURRAY
HIPPHIPP HURRAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND FOR ALL OF THE POLITICALLY CORRECT IN HERE....


GOD BLESS AMERCIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LONE WOLF.....IF YOU COPY AND PASTE THE LINK IT WILL WORK

Man O man i love you guys, we don't get anything like this in Canada. Liberty, Freedom, Freedom of speach, the right to bare arms. The right to choose what YOU want for your selves to persue happiness, but not at the expense of others. All Americans, under one flag. You Americans are AWSOME living testimony to liberty. Hold fast!

Its just some of those people who "think" they can lead you. My understanding of a good leader is to listen, and serve. Your forefathers knew that, and their blood was spilled defending it. It is regretable throughout the world today, so many leaders have sold their souls, for the glory of a moment of power.

Your brother.

Rudy doesn't say anything I'm interested in.
I don't really care anything about his flip flop issues.What is important to me is getting a U.S currency that isn't debt ridden or inflationary, I believe the constitution states only gold or silver as tender in payment of debt, and this fiat script soon won't be worth a "continental Damn" just like the fiat money used during the revolutionary times. Also being on social security, this failing dollar is a greater concern than all the Muslim terrorists in the world. The only candidate wanting to correct the Federal Reserve's continuing theft of the wealth from the American people seems to be Ron Paul, I think he's got my vote! Mitch

A vote for anyone other than Ron Paul is like a vote to ammend the Constitution

Police have no legal duty to respond and prevent crime or protect the victim. There have BEEN OVER 10 various supreme and state court cases the individual has never won. Notably, the Supreme Court STATED about the responsibility of police for the security of your family and loved ones is "You, and only you, are responsible for your security and the security of your family and loved ones. That was the essence of a U.S. Supreme Court decision in the early 1980's when they ruled that the police do not have a duty to protect you as an individual, but to protect society as a whole."

It is a fact of law and of practical necessity that individuals are responsible for their own personal safety, and that of their loved ones. Police protection must be recognized for what it is: only an auxiliary general deterrent.

I think all of the anti-gun libs gave up and went home to watch Access Hollywood.

Unless you embrace socialism, any democrat would be another nail in the coffin of this failing republic. Guliani is preferable to any democrat and if he is the only electable "Republican" I'm for him. But a better choice would be someone with the intellect and demonstrated knowledge of history and who is aware of the necessity to understand its lessons. Gingrich is that person. But if he is to run and win, he must preempt the attacks on his marital situation by the left wing media, who with their typical hypocrital approach will allow only that subject to be discussed.

Anyone interested in getting the staight scoop better be listening to talk radio or watching Fox news.

Mitch,
Interesting you bring up the Federal Reserve, something to note: The Bank of Canada, Bank of England, and Federal Reserve are PRIVATELY HELD> not owned by our governments. If you do a little research, you may find, there was a lot more involved with Lincoln's assassination than Booth behind the curtain. Ever watch the wizard of OZ. If Paul got in, he might join some of your other presidents who knew who was pulling the economic strings. Your President Wilson deeply regretted giving the Fed Reserve such power. It has cost you Americans more than just money. Me thinks your liberty is in serious peril.

Your Brother.

Guiliani is still as much a micro managing gun grabber as the the current manyor, His highness Bollomberg. How come the five cops guarding him think his life is more important than mine and my family. As a lifelong resident and career teacher for NYC I have seen him in action first hand as an employee and a voter. I wouldn't vote for him unless hillary was his opponent. Lesser of to Nannies both know better than you do and don't trust you to make your own decisions. The man cost me a lot of money over the rest of my lifetime by stubbornly resisting giving the teachers a raise for five years until he failed to gain control over the Dept of Education. hew went to Loughlin H.S. So I have to think he is second rate since I went to Bishop Ford their rival

The Second Amendment protects the First Amendment.
Our liberal servants would like to do away with the
Second Amendment. A man with a gun is a citizen. A
man without a gun is a subject. Win Fred Win.

A Canadian Eh........you really know our history!
If some of th left wing iditots would study as much as you have they would probably not be liberials....or at least be of the same mind of an AMERCIAN and democrat such as Joe Liebrman....the last of the old school leftise that would't sell out his country

All this misinformation about guns in Australia is amusing.

My many bolt rifles and UO shotguns say the claim that firearms are banned is rubbish.
In NSW there has been a massive change in the type of firearms owned not the number.

What was effectively banned were semi auto long guns and handguns over .38 cal bore diameter.

Lots and lots of firearms in Australia.

Of the current crop of candidates only Ron Paul is decent about preserving our Second Amendment rights.

This time, thanks God, elections are no longer a choice of a lesser shit from many big shits.

Trust RUDOLPF GIULIAI on gun control!? Gimme a break. Rudy was mayor for eight years over a city rife with crime in which HE was guarded by a platoon of NYC detectives, but in which ordinary citizens had to hire lawyers to beg his police department for a concealed carry license.
Note that Rudy says that "A home is a castle" but that he makes no mention of concealed carry rights.

Ask Rudy whether he supports concealed carry rights for law abiding, trained and certified military veterans, even. Ga' head. Ask him, and see what he says to that.

I'm warning ya' - don't vote for this guy.
Dean

Giuliani is a whore who wants power so bad he will say anything to get it. His entire career is a long, ugly record of violence against the harmless to form a more perfectly orderly society. Orderliness is not a virtue. Liberty is. Peace is. Giuliani is a sadistic thug who wants to, once and for all, force us to behave his way. He is a sick angry little bully. Study how he became famous in the first place. It was long before 9/11. It was about the immoral and sadistic war on drugs. Giuliani owns your body and your mind. Just ask him. He owns the earth. Stop interfering with him. He wants to rule.

And Fred Thompson is a hollywood whore desparately pretending to be Ron Paul. But he lacks the brains. No problem. He has a big base voice, so he's my guy, you betcha.

WOMBAT......Look to England to see where you could be headed......They started out in the same manner as the Aussies.....but now the inocent are now put in prison for protecting life or limb heaven fobid with a fire arm but with a knife or bat or by a simple fist fight.

Some of y'all got it right! We ALL have a God given right to self defense, which predates ALL man made documents, including our Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution, even the Magna Carter. That includes self-defense from a tyranical government. And, yes, OUR Constitution also provides for the unorganized militia - WE THE PEOPLE! Just look at all the laws on the books and all the beauracracies (sp?). How many of those ARE unconstitutional? MANY, IF NOT MOST! We are a Judeo-Christian based country (to hell with you socialist sycophants, Jihadists, et al) and OUR DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE AND CONSTITUTION merely affirms OUR GOD given rights, they DO NOT give them to us, those documents merely affirm these natural, God given rights! Therefore, no one, I repeat, NO ONE, has the the right or authority to take them from us, except the ONE who gave them to us in first place, God! Kneel down and give your thanks for his providence, as did the Fathers of this once great country did. If we don't turn back to God we are doomed. Just read the Bible. 'Nuff said.

That Rudy Giuliani is currently trying to cast himself as a
conservative is beyond laughable--it is hilarious. This is a man who
is unabashedly pro-abortion. He has been seen walking down Fifth
Avenue with thousands of homosexuals demanding "gay rights." He
himself is a cross-dresser. He has had numerous marriages and only God
knows how many sexual affairs. He has been one of the country's most
radical proponents of gun control. He made New York a sanctuary city
for illegal aliens and is a strong proponent of amnesty for illegal
aliens. As a prosecutor, his abuse of power and disregard for law are
legendary.

Furthermore, if anyone thinks that George W. Bush is obsessed with
domestic spying and surveillance, just wait until Giuliani becomes
President. You can count on him pressing his anti-Fourth Amendment and
anti-Second Amendment agendas to the nth degree through all sorts of
executive orders and signing statements.

You can also expect amnesty for illegal aliens to be quickly achieved
under a Giuliani administration, along with the completion of the
North American Union and NAFTA Superhighway. Of course, this will also
be the case if Hillary is elected President, except that if Hillary is
leading the charge, many will oppose it; whereas if Giuliani leads the
charge, they won't.

Rudy Giuliani likes to paint himself as being tough on terrorism. The
truth is, Rudy Giuliani is a warmonger. A Giuliani Presidency would
mean an expansion of military interventionism and preemptive war like
you can't imagine. One can call me what one wants, but I am warning
the American people, just as Dietrich Bonhoeffer and Martin Niemoller
tried to warn the German people about Hitler: Rudy Giuliani is a
monster. Anyone who is paying attention knows this is true.

Rob,
I’m just trying to get answers, to things over the years that just have not made any sense. The more I dig, the deeper the rabbit hole goes. Reading your comments, means there is hope, there MUST be, there are no more "New Worlds" for us to run to. You must hold fast those things so precious; if you Americans fall, we all fall. May God help us all. These are most perilous times, when liberty is being traded off like some used car for so called security. This is the suicide your President Lincoln spoke of.

Monty

I wouldnt mind to hear the answers to the questions that I posted 5 days ago at the following:

http://blip.tv/file/356848/

High Fives to the txtrucker

Rudy is still a giant liar akin to John Kerry in his tendency to politically flip-flop on all issues. I don't trust him. As an NRA member and a military veteran, I refuse to vote for this dirtbag who exploited 9/11 to gain fame for his own political agenda. If it walks like a liberal, talks like a liberal, and votes like a liberal - its a liberal. Rudy Guliani is still a socialist lackey.

Hey Rob, You're on the mark about CWPs. But once they sharpen up and tighten up the regs on a CWP, then we (CWP holders) should be able to carry unabated ANYWHERE! Parks, banks, schools, gov't buildings, airlines inside the USA, other than courtrooms or where Congress is in session or we might get ourselves in a sticky mess when confronting idiot politicians! Jack

Over the years, the Northeast has seen some outstanding conservatives with unimpeachable personal and political records. Next to Washington, Teddy Roosevelt is the greatest in the history of the Republic, and he was from NY, also.

But Rudy ain't one of them. He pursued an active agenda of infringement upon our Constitutional rights throughout his tenure in the Justice Dept. (and that began over 30 years ago). He was rabidly anti-firearms as a politician.

His recent sudden "conversion" to a supporter of the 2nd Amendment in the midst of the primary process is no more credible than Michael Vick's finding religion in the midst of the furor over his dog-fighting ring.

My father knew Rudy. My father said many times that "Rudy is a complete asshole". I believe what my father said. Of course, my father said that about a lot of people. God bless him.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You hit the nail on the head that timeTC
Only I trust michal vick more than rudy

Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety???? You are wrong,, and a liar...

The Individual Right to keep and bear arms is based on our inalienable rights, granted to each person, by God, as stated by the founders of this country.
It is our right- our duty.

The Individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms is about Freedom, Self Defense, Safeguarding the Bill of Rights, and Protecting against Government Tyranny and Oppression. For the defense of our country from enemies either foreign OR domestic.
The 2nd Amendment is NOT about sport, games, or hunting -- This is one of the problems with this country,,, No one knows their rights... or what they are truly about..

Giuliani is a liar, a traitor and a degenerate. Unfit for public office.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Ask yourself what does infringed mean... Look it up.
Go Ron Paul.

John,

The reason the NRA gloss over the 'a well regulated militia' part is because the term "well-regulated" (notice the hyphen?) isn't a term used anymore and is not properly understood by most people these days.

It simply refers to something "working" or "functional" (as in a well-regulated watch).

It does not imply regulated in the sense that something is subject to legal rules and regulations.

The point is, that our forefathers knew to have a functioning militia, it was important that the right to keep and bear arms not be infringed.

Thats your history lesson for the day.

Well I have been reading some ot the posts here and I think it's time for some truth. Like many have stated here gun laws only affect law abiding people.
I know a few dopers, tweekers, gang members and just plain mean son's of bitches. I assure you none of them buy there guns at a gun store. And none of them give a damb about gun laws. There are millions of guns already on the streets and I Honestly there is no way to get them off the streets now. Any law abiding person who feels the need to carry a firearm should be able to do so.

As for abortion. No babys should be killed ( yes I said killed ) Even in the case of rape or for any other reason of inconveinance. Adoption would be fine. Hell sell the kid, just don't kill it. Ask anyone anywhere if they think they should have been aborted.

No, we don't have to live in fear of the British anymore, we have to live in fear of the idiots like you who do not know or care about history. Tyranny is automatic, it happens as soon as good people stop caring about personal feedom, and start relying on the govt. to take care of them and solve all their problems from cradle to grave. We have major a problem facing us, an invasion of hoards from the south trying to change our way of life, to remake it in the failed image of the very thing they are fleeing, and the same mindless robots whom no longer think the second ammendment is important are cheering them on. We are also giving away our country to the United States of Wallmart and her ally the Chinese. Wake up America, we will end up a two bit third world country in no time a this rate.

orades at around 8:31- you need to understand! RUDY IS NOT A REPUBLICAN_ he is a democrat who is registered as a republican.
RINO is the expression. So, letting him in is terror personififed.
It would be like drugging folks, who would then sit and mumble about disbelief and all- the way we are stupified the president HAS NOT CLOSED THE BORDER YET!!!! If we get a hilary, at least when the shit hits the fan, we are pissed, and ready to spring into the violent re-instatement of the cinstitution.

An "assault weapon" is any weapon that might be used to defend oneself against the tyranny of the govt, the bad guy whom wants to break into your home, or the one that wants to rape your wife and sell your daughter.

All weapons should be legal for any lawfull citizen of America to own. It is a right of nature for self preservation, either for food gathering or protecting what one has legally obtained. Gun laws are only adheared to by the lawfull, it is allready illegal to kill someone, why do we need another law that will only affect the one's it is designed to protect?

Go drink your koolaid liberals, speed up the stalled evolutionary process, please.

Rudy needs a little history lesson..here is what one of our founding fathers had to say about gun ownership:When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.-Thomas Jefferson

This is why we have the 2nd Amendment. not self defense. And he is a lawyer?

Hey John P at 9:31- you have almost a perfect point made. The root of the word regulated is regular- sameness. So well regulated is to be stretched to connote Similarly armed and equipped. Fully, too by the way. A battle ready group of men needs to have all it needs. Fully armed similarly equipped group of citizens of fighting age, being necessary to the condition of being free, the right of the people to keep and carry arms shall not be infringed. I say keep hammering at the congressmen of your districts that they better start treating traitors like traitors, before they actually get hammered. As in, the hammer is dropped.

Joe- Hey- 9:33 pm post- yeah, abortion in addition to being murder (who has murdered the most americans in all time? Democrats!) abortion is unconstitutional, in that the right to life is being denied to the murdered baby. I enjoy reading so many pro-American posts here. I thank you all for being good fellow Americans. I wish I had mroe time to stay a while. Keep slamming those cheap traitor liberals. Those thieving fascist traitor murder pig democrats... And RINO's....

Flip flopping to the tune of block voters rather than being the wellspring of a movement and sticking to ones guns is a certain snapshop of what type of President Mr. Giuliani would EVOLVE. Not good. I think he is a very bad choice. Forged in the fires of the 911 World Towers attack does not necessarily a Leader make. Using this event as a springboard for fame and leadership is also not a good sign. In these days we see so many hypocrites. They are Legion. He is another. My vote is no. He doesn't make the grade and is wasting his energy and hour time.

I'm an NRA member and I don't believe him for a second. These clowns will say anything for a vote.

I thought you liberals were all about choice? You don't want to give me the choice on where to send my kids to school. And you certainly don''t want to give me the choice to own a firearm to protect myself and my family. What is it with liberals? Listen, firearms certainly aren't for everyone, but neither is having kids or driving a car. So do my background check, and then BUTT OUT !!! As long as someone is not legally prohibited from owning a gun (i.e. felon, mental history, illegal alien, etc...) it's none of your damn business if I own a firearm, and what kind of firearm it is. Lock me away for life if I ever commit a crime with it, but until then, don't give me this public safety garbage. If you choose not to own a firearm, that's fine, I can respect that. But respect my choice to own one (or more than one). Why can't you anti-gun libs simply choose not to be a part of something and then let it be. No, if it's something you don't like, something you don't agree with, you have to try to make it illegal. Look in the mirror the next time you call someone a fascist!

Michigan Rifleman has it correct.

Those correcting Rudy and quoting the 2nd Amendment are trying to help, but clearly it is a natural right and they are falling prey to the liberal's education. If it comes from the 2nd Amendment it can be changed.

The Bill of Rights (1st Ten Amedmendments) are merely the first correction of our Constitution recognizing the rights of individuals which always exist even when they are infringed by governments.

It's truly sad that people running for President don't "get it."

We remain forever grateful to George Mason and James Madison who did!

Rudy is to terrorism what the captain of the Titanic is to icebergs.

Ron Paul for President.

You fools that are going to waste a vote for Ron Paul and succeed in electing another Clinton. When she gets in you can kiss your gun rights goodbye.

Let's see: "The Right to Bear Arms" No, that's not it. "A Well Regulated Militia", No, that doesn't seem to quite say it either. Oh yeah; "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Yeah, that's the part that liberals always seem to forget when they cite the Second Amendment; the right of the people...it's not the right of a well regulated Militia; it's the right of the people.

I believe that happens to be the same people referred to in the First Amendment, and the Fourth, and the Ninth, and the Tenth, and the Seventeenth, etc., etc., etc.

Romney, Ghoullianni, Mc Cain, Thompson, Hillary, and Obamma all members of the ANTI-GUN, globalist-Open borders cult, The Council on Foreign Relations(SPP anyone?).
The CFR will be the death of this nation. No Sovereignty, No Second Amendment, No LIBERTY.

Vote Second-tier ONLY! The rest are all Bought and paid for globalist.

Dang Rudy, you could be a Clinton or a Demonicrat the way you evolve to please whatever crowd happens to be in front of you. Now the question remains: will you hand Hillary another victory as you did when you conveniently dropped out of the race against her for the NY Senate?

FRED THOMPSON --------------- ANTI-GUN
FRED THOMPSON ------------------ANTI-GUN
FRED THOMPSON ---------------------ANTI-GUN
FRED THOMPSON -----------------------ANTI-GUN

46% of ALL his GUN votes were considered to be ANTI-GUN!!!!!!

Wake People, Do your research!!!!!----

Vote second tier only!

The second ammendment has been around for a long time. It seems odd that a New Yorker would support it. Isn't the Sullivan law what New Yorkers believe in? What do reasonable gun law's in the north east consist of, and how does that compare to the rest of the nation?

Join the NRA--I will pay for yourmemebership.

Unfortunately the supposed "transcript" of the Andy Rooney spiel is NOT true! This has been proven to be a hoax a couple of years ago. Check it out on SNOPES website. First, Rooney is a flaming liberal, and second, CBS would NOT have aired this if he did have the testicular fortitude to have said it in the first place. It would be nice if someone WOULD have said this on a network TV show! BUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN! Rooney is no more of a conservative than Rudy or King George! Regardless the self made label, if it walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck....THEN IT IS A DUCK!

Damn...is there anything lower than a politician??
all personal ambition no self respect..say anything at any time...whatever is needed....public life means low life.
As for NRA...I quit until they get back to the business of legal strategies and STOP being all fundraising-all the time....they are worse than televangelists...all about more and more money, raffles sweepstakes and merchandising that's all it is now.

It might be too-little too-late. But it's clear that Rudy knows he has a problem and is willing to address it. That's a start.

None of the front-running GOP candidates are perfect, but they are all pretty good. One of them will be our nominee, then we will have to bite the bullet and vote for him despite his imperfections.

Otherwise we get Hillary -- that's not an option.

This is what "Social" politicians represent. THEY decide what is best for you. Bush, Rudy, Clinton, Edwards, Gore, etc.. do not believe in freedom. They seek to control the masses, whether it is about guns, climate, healthcare, terrorism, etc.. "they" know what is best for you.

Rudy has not "seen the light" so if you believe that, I have property on the sun to sale you and its very cheap.

I also find it funny that these "social"ist politicians claim the 2nd Amend only pertains to a States militia... meaning the National Guard. I thought the Bill of Rights were written/included to protect individual rights, hence "Bill of Rights." The government (State & Federal) powers are covered in the US & State Constitutions. The founding fathers included the Bill of Rights to protect individuals rights from tyranny.

So the Neocons keep saying, if you don't like the current rules o four country, get the hell out. Clinton is going to be President and you can't stop it. So I guess you won't like the rule so four country ...then YOU can get the hell out of MY country losers!

Amendment II reads in part
".....the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"

The government has no right to infringe on this in ANY WAY. Permits , bans , and such are all illegal!!!!

This is very clearly written in plain english as are the other rights.

There is no such thing as taking away public god given rights for the "safety" of the public.

Whats next our free speach????

At least President Bush didn't miss 9 count them 9 times to take when offered (on a silver plater 3 times), capture or kill OBL, through out the 90's. At least President Bush is not more concerned with racking up notches on his bedpost, giving away MIRV techs to the red Chinese, taking kids at gunpoint and shipping them back to communist countries, burning up men, women and children (Waco anyone?), and allowed terrorist attack after terrorist attack (World Trade Center '93, U.S.S. Cole, et al) and doing virtualy nothing about it, all while OBL & company where getting stronger.

You Libs make me want to vomit. You guys hate your country with a zeal and passion (9/11 truth movement anyone?). How can anyone so empty, shallow and bitter bear to wake up in the morning?

Beats me.... there's no doubt at all how the 2nd should be interpreted. The people that wrote it have left amply other writings and their views are obvious....it means the whole citizenry.

Try Googling Jefferson, Henry etc on the matter.

Screw you, Mr. New York. Your speech is a joke. You managed one of the few truly socialist states in the Union and you have made a farce of the second ammendement. It is our right (the militia) to bear arms. What ave you done in NYC to accomplish that? You will never get my vote. Ron Paul is much more reasonable.

Folks, NONE of the Republican "top tier" is currently polling better than Hillary, if things stay as they are, Giuliani, Romney, or Thompson will be soundly defeated next November.

Ron Paul, who is shamefully ignored by the media, has a growing poll share and even while polling at 2% (he's at 4% now, after New Hampshire)had a better shot at beating Hillary, and the more people hear his message, the more people like him.

PLUS he's the only candidate who follows a strictly constitutional philosophy, none of Giuliani's "evolving" (read: lies) about his record of gun confiscation (and rampant, militarized police brutality).

Let me put it this way. I am sincerely concerned that unless we elect Ron Paul, we will need our guns, which some of us will only realize in the moments after they are taken away from us.

Ron Paul... Ron Paul... Ron Paul... Ron Paul...

He is the only true American Candidate.

C'mon people, let's use our heads here.
Okay, so we all agree we want our Constitutional right to bear arms. I know I do, and I do.
But Ron Paul!???
The poor fellow is out of touch with reality.
There are bad guys in the world.
You want Ron to deal with them?
Like his "nuances" are "evolving" opinions or not, Rudy is the only candidate offering even the slightest possibilty of getting tough with those who want to hurt America. If his past actions don't make you confident that he won't take any crap from them... well, I hope you're happy when another Clinton is your President. I'm sure Miss Hillary will be looking out for America... just like her hero Karl Marx.

From a long way away Rail seems right....Ron runs good philosophy but is not command material.

Just another pathetic sock puppet candidate for the poor, poor joos.

**"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety," he said.**

Wrong, dumbass. I can see you must have been educated in the public system. It's based on the 2nd amendment and it shall not be infringed.

Another fake ZOG front candidate.

Heart of Dixie. What great analysis. Of course with so many "Hannatized" we might be like Mr. Smith fighting a lost cause, but let it not be said that good men did nothing.

Here is another fine essay with some more of il Duce's constitutional understandings.

"We see only the oppressive side of authority. Maybe it comes out of our history and our background. What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do...At the core the struggle is philosophical. There are many, many things that can be done in law enforcement to protect us better. There are many things that can done to create a government that is more responsive and more helpful."

If this statement concerning the synonymous nature of freedom and authority appears overly vague, Mr. Giuliani has graciously expounded on his "philosophical" approach in more recent times. As Glenn Greenwald explains:

"Over the weekend, it was revealed by National Review's Ramesh Ponnuru that Rudy Giuliani believes that, as President, he would have the power to imprison American citizens without any sort of review of any kind, and Giuliani stated he hoped to exercise that power only 'infrequently'... Giuliani expressly believes that, as President, he can exercise (and apparently intends to exercise, though just 'infrequently') one of the most tyrannical and un-American powers there is..."

...Despite the minimal caveats, Giuliani made the claim three times in the same night – first at the event itself, then in an interview with a local reporter afterwards, then with (National Review's Rich) Lowry. Each time, he proclaimed that the President has the power to fund the war on his own even once Congress exercises its Constitutional power – a power which, up until now, I have never heard anyone question – to cut off funding for the war."

In other words, Giuliani believes that, if he is elected President of the United States, he will have the power to imprison anyone he wishes for any length of time he wishes without such burdens as due process and fair trials, appropriate public funds for whatever purpose he wishes without congressional oversight, and wage war on foreign nations whenever he wants and for whatever duration he wants, the "will of the people" who elected him and the directions of their elected representatives not withstanding. Mr. Giuliani is indeed correct when he says "at the core the struggle is philosophical." The "philosophical struggle" in question is the conflict between the principles of liberty and civilization accumulated over the centuries and enshrined in such institutions as the Magna Carta, English Common Law and the American Constitution, and the forces of tyranny and barbarism that have plagued other nations over the past century

Amendment 2

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Notice that it is clearly the Militia that is regulated! During their lifetimes the Founders not only spoke out against private armies on US soil, they took armed action against them. This is about mercenaries like Blackwater. Private armies on US soil is what is regulated by the 2nd.

The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. In their day, that included private ownership of cannons and boats full of cannons. That's alot more power than an M16 and the Founders were cool with that - even knowing that many people in the newly formed US were British sympathizers. Ben Franklin's own son was convicted and locked up. You can't win freedom or stay free without arms. Don't kid yourself - they put this there for a reason.

Arguments Against a War on Iraq

by Rep. Ron Paul, MD

In the House of Representatives, September 4, 2002

“Mr. Speaker; I rise to urge the Congress to think twice before thrusting this nation into a war without merit – ONE FRAUGHT WITH THE DANGER OF ESCALATING into something NO AMERICAN will be PLEASED with.
Thomas Jefferson once said: "Never was so much false arithmetic employed on any subject as that which has been employed to persuade nations that it is in their interests to go to war." We have for months now heard plenty of false arithmetic and lame excuses for why we must pursue a preemptive war of aggression against an impoverished third world nation 6000 miles from our shores that doesn’t even possess a navy or air force, on the pretense that it must be done for national security reasons.

For some reason such an attack makes me feel much less secure, while our country is made more vulnerable.”


Remember this guy's the kook, a nut, the fringe. Of course everything he stated here was spot on, and even you chairborne raiders have to admit that now, although you don't have the "honor" for that. "They'll always forgive you for being wrong, but they'll never forgive you being right" Truer words have never been spoken.

So enjoy Rudy my little statist friends, and when the knock on the door for your guns, and for your sons and daughters to serve the state comes. Don't say you weren't warned. As for me I will aim for center mass, and softly pull the trigger.

They all lie. The more flip flopping you see, the bigger the liar. No one dares to come out and cite the constitution, like it's "out of style" or something (not unlike Christianity). Ron Paul is the only candidate I've seen that isn't a panderer. That means nothing though, they probably all are just a bunch of whores trying to get elected.

Here's a shocker for you. I found it some years ago and dropped my membership in all the "Gun Rights" organizations when I discovered none had any way to RECEIVE info from the field. They apparentlly limit their interests to lobbbying techniqueas.

The all quoted authority on gun deaths is the CCDC report. It is really misleading (apparently by "labelling" intent).

A look at what was distorted revealed "SUCIDE" as largest cause. "PILLS" were most used technique. "Guns" were only second.
I have quite lookin at it- but I understand "HANGING" has now pushed "GUNS" into third place. Perhaps we ahould identify the teachers, preachers, and psychologists as the ones needing fanny kicking. (Remember all of the high publicity mass killing is by suiciders wanting company???)

Hmmm...

Did it ever occur to you folks that those rooting for Ron Paul are in reality a bunch of flamer Dems trying to make you believe Paul is a good choice so you actually WILL vote for him!? Thereby INSURING that the Conservative vote is so diluted that Hillary Clinton and her hubby get another four or (gag!) eight years in the White House!?

And I'll tell you something else you don't want to hear. From way out here in the west, from the remarks I'm hearing you make about Giuliani it sounds a little like you folks are still a little bit anti-Italian and are trying to couch your prejudice in gun law trivia... hmmm?

Any time a politician starts using qualifiers like "reasonable" and "...the right to protect themselves in their own home." (as opposed to anywhere) it is a promise he will manipulate things any way he can to achieve a personal agenda.

Giuliani has a long history demonstrating just how much he is against individual gun rights, and against the rights of people to protect themselves.

"What a hypocrite! This coming from the former mayor of a city where gun ownership is illegal.

Posted by THM"

That's a pretty stupid comment. SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES exist in NY. NY is a MASS over-populated city where crime is insane. It would be "city-suicide" to have so many guns running around. Think of all the people that would have them in their homes, now use "your noodle" to think just how many guns that would put on the streets of NY... Now, I am a HUGE NRA fan, but NYC is a JUNGLE. I think that law is just SANE. I do however believe that there MAY should be some exception for those who own a Safe, and have a PERFECTLY CLEAN crim background.

What was the context of these comments? Who was he talking to?

I don't think it affects the story that much, but it would be nice to know. Was he making a speech? Was this a private chat?

If you want to support Ron Paul for fun before the primary, fine. What worries me is the retards who will do a "protest vote" or not vote at all thereafter if, surprise surprise, Ron Paul doesn't get nominated. Better face the facts, Rudy is the only one who can stop Hillary and she will be a HELL of a lot worse on the 2nd Amendment than Rudy. Politics sucks but so does socialism.

I'll vote for Rudy only after, when in a public forum, (a) he actively demonstrates his intent by rescinding his participation in the lawsuit brought against firearms manufacturers (which is still pending), (b) demonstrates efforts through some tangible and measureable means to put his money where is mouth is by (1) demonstrating a genuine comprehension of the meaning of the Second Amendment, AND (2) - most importantly - he tells king (wannabe) Bloomberg (running around in neighboring states like a spook conducting illegal sting operations, and spouting all of his rhetorical anti-firearms BS rather than focus on the real problem, catch geniune criminals and stop pandering to the touchy-feely crowd with rhetorical do-nothing bandaids, and his coffee clatch of mayors) "give it up, pack it up, go home 'cause you're done."

"SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES exist in NY. NY is a MASS over-populated city where crime is insane."

Yeah, special circumstances called "Unless you're politically connected, don't even try to apply for a carry permit, regardless of your background or training." In fact, you can't even get a copy of the application in NYC without knowing someone higher up.

I'm not sure I understand the logic: allowing you to carry a gun in precisely the areas where you might actually need it is insane? Trust me, the bad guys ain't paying attention either way.

...And I told Senator McCain I would not vote for him either. Remember the axe they all took to First Amendment with campaign finance reform? Oh yes, and please let me know when that putz Alec Baldwin finally leaves the country like he promised to do several years back. This is the USA - what the hell's going on around here???

Lets have another chorus of "I can be anything you want me to be ,Yes I can ,Yes I can.One more freaking year to go in this mad dash for top banana.Please come forward Ye sane libertarians and mount a credible campaign so we can end this two party circus we must edure every four years...

If we can't have Ron Paul, Fred will be best.

Posted by Mike | September 21, 2007 4:26 PM / | September 21, 2007 6:05 PM:
". . . pro-gun folks might finally see why ownership of assault weapons ought to be banned or severely limited."
Want to buy a clue, Mike? Google "National Firearms Act" - an "assault rifle" is full-auto capable, typically selective firing modes. All full auto firearms in civilian hands have been "severely limited" since 1934 courtesy of the PoS who started the leftist nanny state.

"They could help out in areas such as securing our borders . . ."
Would that we'd be allowed! Virtually the only cost to the government would be for the body bags we'd fill. After a month, drug runners and border jumpers would be no more than a bad memory.

BTW, Mike, good try . . . repeating lies worked wonders for Goebbels and ankle-pants.

Posted by Aloysius | September 21, 2007 4:37 PM

"Hilary, Rudy, Obama, McCain, Romney... There is no difference in any of them."

Not much, any way.

Posted by Iron Mike | September 21, 2007 4:37 PM

" . . . there ARE NO conservatives in the Northeastern states."

With respect, sir, screw you! We may be a minority in much of the Northeast, but we exist - and there is plenty of territory here outside NYC, CT, RI and Massholia where we can breath free. That's as inaccurate as saying there are no leftist vermin in the Southeast.

Posted by guns4none | September 21, 2007 4:51 PM

"Why is it OK to amend the constitution to deny gays the right to wed but not to significantly reduce murders in our nation?" (And please don't cite an ancient text that's purported to be authored by the invisible sky king.)"

Well, while michael moore and other drooling loons may be your preferred authority, how about I cite a scientific study? Read John Lott's "More Guns, Less Crime" and then come back to converse with the adults.

"Hunting rifles are one thing . . . ."

Hmmm . . . obviously you need to re-read The Constitution, also. If you do a word search, you will not find the term "hunting" in the Second Amendment . . . I promise!

Posted by TrickyVic | September 21, 2007 5:03 PM

'Rudy said "Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety," That means your right is not absolute, it depends on how you define [the phrase].'

EXACTLY . . . this mentality is exactly why we are losing our Constitutional Rights and why Rudy and other liberals cannot be trusted to defend them.

Posted by Matt from NYC | September 21, 2007 5:07 PM

"Come on now people, when the Second Amendment was written the people did not have access to AK-47s or Uzis."

Want to buy a clue, Matt? Google "National Firearms Act" - both of these are full-auto capable, typically selective firing modes. The only civilians who have legal access to these are registered, finger-printed and highly regulated since 1934 courtesy of the PoS who started the leftist nanny state. Oh, and BTW, neither did they have any sort of breech-loaders, repeaters or cartridge firearms, so by your logic we're limited to muzzle-loading flintlocks? Don't think so, mate. To use your own words: "Use some common sense."

Posted by Ed in Boston | September 21, 2007 5:17 PM:

"The 2nd Amendment refers to the right for the citizenry to have a fully armed militia (National Guard) NOT the right of Joe Citizen to have gun (penis extention)."

This statement illustrates why I call the Kommonwealth of idiots just south of me Massholia.
Who is this Ed - the Hyannis drunk checking in from Beacon Hill or what?

Hey, dumbazz - the nation didn't HAVE a "National Guard" until 1903. There were state militias (organized) and the 'unorganized militia' . . . the latter was made up of us "Joe Citizen" types. Take a look at the Minuteman statue of Concord - the farmer leaving the field to defend himself. Even avowed liberal legal scholars (e.g., Lawrence Tribe down the road at Harvard Law) admit the Second Amendment is an INDIVIDUAL right, NOT a collective one . . . as are all of the Bill of Rights except for the 10th. In 1775, most men in the Bay Colony had brains, stones and a spine connecting the two. In 2007, well, they may still sport parts of male genitalia, but clearly most now follow the example of their alleged senators and pride themselves in being stupid jellyfish with empty sacks.

But not to worry, eddy, the world will be a better place once your genotype is gone.

Posted by Bill Clay | September 21, 2007 6:17 PM:

"Obsessive love of guns is a recognized mental illness. You did know that, right?"

Hey billy, ever read Freud? "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
Guess which statement has greater credibility . . . .

Posted by Steve | September 21, 2007 7:05 PM:

"He won't do anything to curtail our gun rights? Didn't I hear the same thing from Clinton during his first campaign, shortly before the Assault Weapons Bill was passed? Let's look at actions . . . ."

EXACTLY . . . and why I do not believe him / will not vote for him.

Unfortunately, all of the "top tier" GOP wannabes are at best dimorat light weights; none of them notably better than the shrill banshee, the empty suit out of Illinois, johnny haircut or the rest of the leftist losers decorating the loony bin of the jackass party.

Rudy:

Played the gun control card in NYC when the mayor's job meant everything to him; now plays the pro-gun rights card nationally when the presidency means everything to him....

Plays the anti-terror card nationally today but failed to implement NYC police/fire/EMT responders coordinated emergency radio communications system after 1993 WTC attack ....

Plays the "We need to be prepared for terrorists attacks" card nationally today while as mayor of NYC, he located the NYC emergency command center in the WTC building 7, against the advice of his emergency staff. Shortly after signing lease with WTC 7 for the command center space, took $100,000 in contributions from a fund raising event planned and held on Larry Silverstein's yacht. Silverstein? The guy owned the WTC complex.

But like good Americans, let's get all caught up in the gun control/rights debate while these people take the country from us .....

Right from the get go let me say I'm not a gun owner but I preserve your right to do so. You all talk about rights. If Hillary is elected come back and talk to me about your every day FREEDOMS being eroded one piece at a time. By the time she gets through your second amended rights might be a thing of the past. Another Janet Reno, Donna Shalla, Les Aspen who wouldn't help our troops in a fight situation. Jocelyn Elders and on and on. Get with it people. We may not like all Rudy has to offer. But if we are not safe from these sickos from 9/11 the rest won't matter. I for one will not bow and submit to the will of Allah. Not now not ever. You all better wake up and see what's coming down the pike with a Clinton presidency. Do you honestly want another 8 years? If that happens, I'm coming to you all for gun lessons. Even though I am not a gun owner I do support the NRA. But this election cannot be about one issue too much is at stake namely our freedom to make the choices we now have. God help us all!!

Not to worry my fellow Americans. Newt Gingrich will be throwing his hat into the ring. He is the only candidate who is hesitant to run - which to me means if he does it will be because he feels obligated to. And that is the kind of President we need. Not a power-hungry individual who will do or say anything for a vote.

Newt is by far the most intellectual candidate. He, like Paul, is seriously concerned about adhering to the Constitution. He is a historian. He understands why certain things happened and how they have shaped our country into the mess it is in today. I bet if you asked only about 50% of the candidates and probably 5% of Americans would know that the phrase "separation of church and state" is written no where in the Constitution.

For those of you who were educated in Government schools the term "separation of church and state" was a phrase coined by Thomas Jefferson. President Jefferson was one of the most vocal founding fathers about insuring that the Government should not be involved in religious affairs. It should also be noted that President Jefferson helped to establish church service to be held in the Capital - and attended them regularly.

Newt Gingrich has a true, intellectual understanding of not just what the Constitution says, but what the intentions of the founding fathers were. HE UNDERSTANDS why the second amendment was put into the Bill of Rights. And he knows that a government with that kind of power over the people will be government that will take away all of the freedoms that we now enjoy.

So fellow conservatives, gun owners, and any person that cherishes the rights they currently are afforded, I strong suggest you get behind Mr. Gingrich when he announces his candidacy in November. May God Bless America.

If gun control is your deciding issue in the next election then vote for someone who has opposed gun restrictions from the very beginning; unlike Guiliani, RON PAUL uses the constitution like a political bible and doesnt need a 9/11 event to change his mind. Unwavering and a true conservative. VOTE RON PAUL!!!!!!!!

Rudy,

You say that a man has the right to defend himself in his own home. What about our right to just defend ourselves? Period. Why does it have to be qualified as "just in our home"? What about our basic right to just own guns? To defend ourselves against a tyrannical government? Foreign invaders? How about our private property rights, how are we supposed to defend our property without guns? I believe that I already have these rights. Why don't you fight for these other rights too?

J Beleau

I don't believe it for a second. The Democrats will show up with another "assault weapons" ban, and Rudy will sign it if he is President.

Rudy is a flip-flopper, just like Kerry.

"Gee, I was for gun bans before I was against them."

LIAR!

Rudy would change his perspective on his own mother if it meant getting more votes. What a phoney assclown. Who are the people that vote for this? Oh, I guess the same people who can be tricked by Karl Rove into voting for George W. Bush. This proves there is obviously a serious education problem in this country.

I am a strong pro-gun person, but I think of the current group, I would support Rudy. His no-nonsense approach to the war on terror and foreign policy is the one issue that trumps the others I have problems with. I am not thrilled with his anti-gun past, regardless of his excuses.

I really don't get people who don't understand the importance of regular citizens being able to have firearms. We just had proof 2 years ago during Katrina of the importance of this. It was all over TV. Did people miss it? Law and order broke down in NO in hours and only the predators were armed and they came out from under their rocks and started wreaking havoc. In a dire circumstance like that, you're on your own.

I am a strong pro-gun person, but I think of the current group, I would support Rudy. His no-nonsense approach to the war on terror and foreign policy is the one issue that trumps the others I have problems with. I am not thrilled with his anti-gun past, regardless of his excuses.

I really don't get people who don't understand the importance of regular citizens being able to have firearms. We just had proof 2 years ago during Katrina of the importance of this. It was all over TV. Did people miss it? Law and order broke down in NO in hours and only the predators were armed and they came out from under their rocks and started wreaking havoc. In a dire circumstance like that, you're on your own.

What a crock of DO-DO! Ghouliani is a liar when he says he's for guns, just look at his record. Flip-floping to get votes, doing one thing, lying about another. This man is not any where near what a president should be, just ask ANY NY Fireman. Wake up people!! RON PAUL 2008 eat it Rudy!!

How did you come by this change of heart mr. guiliani? If it is indeed a change based upon a deep reflection on the dignities of man, than welcome home prodigal child.

Now to correct some sophistry. Our rights do come from the constitution, they do not come from anything to government does. The pre-exist government, and a legitimate government will recognize and protect those rights. Our right to arms stems from the biological imperative to strive. All living things are given their defense mechanisms, being soft and weak, with bad eyesight and hearing we were given the defense of being exceedingly clever. We have an innate right to defend ourselves, our families, and our communities, from criminals, other communities, and most importantly from government gone bad.

Giuliani has the heart and soul of a fascist. Remember when he wanted to suspend the 2001 mayoral election and remain in power? Nixon, in 1971, considered declaring a state of emergency and suspending the 1972 presidential election. (His model was the state of siege declared by Canadian P.M. Pierre Trudeau to quash the Quebecois seperatists.) When he was advised that that course of action was inadvisable, Nixon went with his dirty tricks squad to destroy the Democratic opposition. Giuliani is no Bush: He is Nixon, without the manic depression.

Giuliani reminds me of a description of retired generals in a short story by Joseph Heller, "Love Dad". Paraphrasing Heller, Giuliani is the kind of person who would preserve the Constitution by destroying it. After seven years of George W. Bush, isn't it time we recognized the obvious: That the U.S. Presidency should be abolished.

The Founding Fathers weren't the gods of WASP-education civic lessons. The Constitution isn't the living document whose perfection is witnessed in the startling death of amendments to the 218-year-old instrument. The Founding Fathers were "Normans" who represented a tiny class of conquerors who created a government by which their small class could control a majority.

The Presidency is based on the example of the royal governors of colonial British North America. The royal governors, who lacked a legislative check, actually had more power than did King George III, who had to deal with Parliament. Thus, the Founding Fathers effectively created an elected kingship. Jackson, Lincoln, Wilson, T.R. and F.D.R. were able, through circumstance and force of personality, to exercise kingship (before Harry Truman institutionalized the imperial presidency with the creation of the modern security state). This was in a time where the president typically was a mediocrity, a party hack whose main virtue was his controllability, and Congress was a powerful institution.

With the waxing power of the imperial presidency since the advent of the Cold War, the ability of Congress as a separate power-base to keep the elected king in check has withered. To remain in office, our Congressmen and Senators effectively refuse to legislate, to tackle the major issues (thus the rise of the media-friendly, money-raising "wedge issue"). This has forced the Supreme Court to move into the vacuum and become a super-legislative body. The presidency's power has grown virtually unchecked, and now, we are experiencing the disastrous consequences of this system when the elected king is filled by an old-fashioned, pre-imperial presidency hack. A sub-mediocrity was been elevated to kingship by a reactionary Court, then re-elected fair and square by a system in which true democracy is held at bay by the power of the dollar and the institutional lack of representative government.

Is it any wonder that the Presidency attracts megalomaniacs like Rudolph Giuliani? It is my belief that the very desire to run for the Presidency reveals a character flaw so deep that it disqualifies the person from holding such a high office. Where is Cincinnattus when you need him, eh?

"It's good to be king" said Mel Brooks' Louis XVI. What sane person would want to be the king of America, and what sane political system would allow such a position to go on existing? The U.S. Constitution was created to keep democracy in check. (If you doubt me, ask yourself? Why is there an electoral college in the 21st century? Why am I not able to directly vote for president instead of an elector? And if you are honest with yourself, you'll say out loud, because it keeps "They" in check. Keeps "Them" from gaining power they don't deserve. And we all know why "They" is, don't we? The same class of disenfranchised people the U.S. Constitution was crafted to keep disenfranchised, to keep 3/5ths of a person, back in the 18th Century.)

In a country that is becoming increasingly and inevitably diverse, whether the supporters of the WASP-consensual reality/one-size-fits-all paradigm want it or not, there will be pressure for a more truly representative system, such as those offered by proportional representation, parliamentary systems. Without such a system, political pressure from the bottom will increase, such as they did during the 1950s and '60s, as crystallized in the African American civil rights movement. Without a representative system, and with a reactionary court (rather than the liberal Warren Court which acted as a homeostatic device) acting as a super-legislature, what does the future hold? Unrest, which will be met with brute force rather than reform.

The future likely holds many "long, hot summers" such as those that ripped apart ghettos in the 1960s. But with a military heavily skewed towards the minorities that lack political power that likely would be the very communities that riot, can we expect the military suasive force to behave like the heavily Caucasian National Guard units of the 1960s that were called on to put down the rebellions? Or will those special forces in training in Iraq and Afghanistan be called in?

Our Constitution is imperfect, and frankly, aside from the Bill of Rights (which includes the First as well as the Second Amendments) is downright imperfect. Yes, a Giuliani -- just like a Nixon or Bush 43 -- would shred constitutional government. What is needed is constitutional reform that returns power to The People. The sovereignty of the United States should be formally recognized as lying in The People -- it's individual citizenry -- and not its representatives.

I think of the old aphorism, "Physician, heal theyself." We are facing tyranny, domestic tyranny, homeland tyranny, tyranny from within, from the Guilianis, and Bushes, and Romneys, not from the Bin Ladens and Ahmadinejads who give them an excuse to expand their kingly powers. We need to look inward, towards constitutional reform to revitalize the system by eliminating the imperial presidency, creating a parliamentary democracy in place of a Congress. (As Nipsy Russell put it so eloquently, "The opposite of pro is con,/That fact is clearly seen,/If progress means move forward/Then what does Congress mean?")

In 1776, we declared our break from a British kingship: 231 years later, we need to declare our independence from our domestic king and their courtiers.

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety,"

That's like saying your freedom of speech is based on a reasonable degree of dialog.

Amendments were meant to be amended, you rednecks. We don't have to live in fear of the British anymore. - Nolff

Damn! He's right! The British were the only true evil in the world! Iran is our friend, Chavez and Castro are our bosom buddies, and the Chinese extend love and cherry blossoms to us, desiring only that we live in peace with the bunnies and daffodils. The couple that invaded a house a block away from me were only collecting for the Red Cross, and the gangs three streets over are really only waiting for volunteer opportunities to help little old ladies cross the street.

And since the amendments were meant to be amended, I say we start with the first one, so we can shut Nolff up and not have to listen to his drivel anymore. But somehow I don't think that's what Nolff meant...

Mr. Guiliani is a liberal in conservative clothing. He has a well established anti-gun, anti-Second Amendment history as well as liberal views on most subjects. I liked the way he dealt with Septemebr 11th but I don't want him as my president. Actions speak louder than words and his actions and past statements (seen HERE),speak for themselves. I'm voting for Thompson. Fred Thompson has a clear record of support for the Second Amendment AND I like his stance on the issues that face our nation. This is a pivatol point in our history as a nation. With the liberals controlling the senate, all we need is another liberal, anti-gunner in the white house to really damage our second amendment rights. If they can pass HR-1022, it will make the 1994 Clinton gunban look like nothing. Vote Fred in 08

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety," he said.

Sorry Sir, my right to bear arms is based on the Constitution! You didn't get it before, you don't get it now, and you never will. You are a liberal at heart and can't change.

Giuliani was an ashole when he was mayor and he is still an asshole.

The snake continues to slither. As he attempts to cover his disdain for the 2nd amendment he demonstrates his diregard for the 1st with, "They passed a line that we should not allow an American political organization to pass."
Who are the "we" to which this oligarch refers and where in the sand does their line lay today?
Are they the "we" he referred to in the NH debate that "allow the states to make some decisions"?

Whether you agree or not, it's an interesting lesson in history.
Something to think about...

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others
who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable
to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people,
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million

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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381
personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more
than $500 million dollars.
The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent Australia-wide, assaults are
up 8.6 percent. Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria
alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note, that while the law-abiding citizens turned
them in, th e criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms,
this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that
their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the
ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after
such monumental effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns.
The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it. You won't see this data on
the American evening news or hear our president,governors or other politicians disseminating this
information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws
affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans.....before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are 'citizens'.
Without them, we are 'subjects'.
If you value your freedom, Please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends

"I sure hope Giuliani doesn't get elected, he'll be Bush 2.0 and is likely to further deteriorate our country."

Yeah, and the air around him is safe to breath as far as he knows.

"Your right to bear arms is based on a reasonable degree of safety," he said.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Somebody please stop me from laughing!!!!!!!

You notice that every Tom, Dick and Harry neo-con presidential candidate is standing in line at the NRA headquarters.

There's a 2 party system here - Us -the hard-working, tax paying citizens. Then there is - Them -the lying, cheating, arrogant, power-hungry, tax-stealing politicians.

They're Dividing and Conquering US all as we speak. - Keep 'em all fighting and in a constant state of confusion so we, the free politician$, can do whatever we want.
ReFublikan$? Femicrat$? Those are titles of the aristocrat$? But the little sheepless need something to hang their hats and gats on. Look at 'em all fight for their "beliefs". -The funny little people.

The political process absolutely corrupt$ even the most well-intentioned. Then soon they forget about the well-intentioned part, become corrupted and start to believe in their own personal brand of the constitution that doesn't include any of US.

I certainly hope that his views have evolved in a positive, more pro-2nd Amendment way. I found his previous statements to be misleading. He stated that gun control should be left up to the individual states. Since the federal govt passes gun laws that apply nationwide, I emailed him and asked if he would support or veto a new assault rifle ban. He never answered.
I think that Mike Huckaby had the best answer on this question. That our First Amendment rights are the same from state to state and our Second Amendment rights should be likewise.
I'm still not sure that I trust Guiliani on the gun control issue, although I think he may very well be the man for the times on other issues.

Ron Paul has a MAJOR problem; he does not recognize who and what we are at war with. Bringing all of the troops home, as he advocates, is exactly counter to the ends of our war. Fred Thompson does recognize the enemy and also recognizes the constitution, the 2cnd amendment, for instance.

I can't vote for any candidate that doesn't recognize that we are at WAR with Islam!!

They must champion the constitutional rights of the CITIZENS. Meaning he must be for less gun-control laws.
He must be adamant in enforcing the illegal alien laws.
The number one social issue is to stop the illegal aliens from entering the US and assure that the 20 million illegal aliens are deported or forced to leave.

He's a north eastern liberal flip flopper just like Kerry and Romney.

I have to say to all of you who say you are tired of politicians having their view "evolve" shortly before election time that your tunnel vision astounds me. You are so caught up in the fact that you hate Giuliani and the Republican Party, that you fail to take even a moment to consider why he might make such a move. Is it a big secret? Did you uncover the hidden truth that he's out to get votes? And the candidate you will vote for is doing exactly the same thing. It's like the wife who holds contempt over her husband for all the little things he does that she hates, never having even the slightest notion that there is an equal number of things about her that bother him.

Rudy you showed your colors as mayor and thats enough for me to NOT vote for someone who will blow with the wind and is proven to NOT truly believe in the 2nd amendment and the constitution of the US, but a believer in the New World Order and their views. The consitution and 2nd amendment as is written and interprited by the vast majority is what made this country not your interpritation of it.

A NO vote for you unless the idiotic party nominates you for the Presidency against some Demonkrat candidate (and I will vote with teeth and fists clenched). The same goes for McCain the traitor.

Rudy you globalist twit, can't you see you have no credibility after Ron Paul exposed you for the war mongering swine that you are. You're toast.

RON PAUL 2008... Its not about the 2nd Amendment, its about the entire Constitution, every word of it.

Let's face it, with the exceptions of Ron Paul, Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich, all the candidates, dem & rep alike, are pretty much the same. All pro-foreign interventionism, pro-premptive war, pro-tax/borrow & spend and therefor pro-bankruptcy of the USA, pro police state, bought & paid for business as usual status quo shills.

With the exceptions already mentioned, these people have no principles. I'd like to hear anyone point out any meaningful difference between Benito Giulian, Romney, McCaidn & Thompson and Hillary, Obama, Edwards & Biden. They are empty suits with nothing new or meaningful to say. None of them have a record of abiding by the law that applies to them, the constitution. Based on that alone, they should all be disqualified as candidates for any office.

The outcome of the 2008 presidential election is vital to all of us and if more people don't wise up and start seeing through the bullshit, our country will be lost forever.

Said Jim.
"....monumental effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns".

Errr, rubbish mate...for some reason people in the US seem to think this. I own 4 more centerfire bolt action rifles and 2 more shotguns than I did 10 years ago.
Much of the semi auto gun buy back money went straight into buying other firearms.

I'm not defending the logic of the buy back but don't exaggerate, it doesn't help the case.

There are millions of firearms owned by individuals in Australia, perpetrating urban myths won't help

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FRED THOMPSON'S ANTI-GUN RECORD!!!!!

1. Anti-gun terror bill (S. 735 )

On June 7, 1995, the Senate passed an anti-gun terror bill (S. 735) by a vote of 91-8. This version of the terror bill included: a BATF pay increase of $100 million; a provision authorizing “roving wiretaps” allowing government officials to wiretap one’s home if a person under investigation visits the home — even if one had no knowledge the person was a suspect; a weakening of the Posse Commitatus law to give the military more authority to get involved in law enforcement in certain circumstances; a grant of power to the FBI to conduct “fishing expeditions” and secure one’s financial and travel records in certain circumstances without any evidence one has committed a crime; and finally, the “Randy Weaver entrapment provision” which extends the statute of limitations for violations under the National Firearms Act of 1934 from three to five years. Thompson voted in favor of the bill.

2. Anti-gun terror bill — final passage

On April 17, 1996, the Senate passed the conference version of the anti-terrorism bill by a vote of 91-8. The final version of the bill (S. 735) contained several problems, including ones that will: order an “anti-hunter” rifle and ammo study; authorize a $40 million pay increase for the BATF (through the Treasury Department); potentially punish gun dealers (and individuals) for selling ammunition to someone they should have known would commit a violent crime; federalize many state crimes, thus tremendously increasing the scope and jurisdiction of the BATF; restrict the right of habeas corpus in such a way as to severely damage the ability of the courts to rescue honest gun owners who are unjustly incarcerated; allow the government to use “secret evidence” against certain individuals; remove protections against wiretapping wireless data; and require banks to freeze the assets of domestic groups in certain situations. Thompson once again voted in favor of the bill.

3. Taggants in gunpowder

On September 12, 1996, the Senate voted (57-42) to keep an anti-gun amendment off of the Treasury-Postal appropriations bill (H.R. 3756). The Kerry amendment — which Thompson voted for– would have made funds available for a study of tagging explosive materials, including black and smokeless powders (thus setting the stage for registering ammunition). The amendment also sought to further demonize firearms by selectively examining the misuse of firearms by criminals. The study would not examine the number of times firearms are used to save the lives of decent citizens.

4. Lautenberg Domestic Confiscation gun ban

On September 12, 1996, the Senate passed the Lautenberg gun ban as an amendment to the Treasury-Postal appropriations bill (H.R. 3756). The Lautenberg Domestic Confiscation Gun Ban disarms gun owners for small (misdemeanor) offenses in the home — “offenses” as slight as spanking a child or grabbing a spouse. This lifetime ban, in certain cases, can even be imposed without a trial by jury. It is also retroactive, so it does not matter if the offense occurred 20 years ago. Thompson voted in favor of the amendment.

5. Free Speech restrictions

On October 7, 1997, the Senate defeated an “Incumbent Protection Bill” (S. 25) which would have resulted in the government regulation of GOA’s newsletters and other communications with its members, while expanding the relative political power of the liberal media and other anti-gun forces. Senators failed in their effort, 53 to 47, to shut down a filibuster of the bill that was ostensibly aimed at reforming campaign finance laws.

6. Smith “Anti-Brady” Amendment

On July 21, 1998, pro-gun Senator Bob Smith (R-NH) introduced an “Anti-Brady” amendment that passed by a vote of 69-31. The Smith amendment would prohibit the FBI from using Brady background checks to tax or register gun owners. Further, the amendment requires the “immediate destruction of all [gun buyer] information, in any form whatsoever.” Finally, if the FBI disregards this latter provision, the Smith language will allow private citizens to sue the agency and collect monetary damages, including attorney’s fees. Thompson, in keeping with his tendency to usually vote for expanded federal police power, voted against this limitation of FBI registration of gun owners.

7. Anti-gun Clinton judge appointment

On February 11, 1998, the Senate voted 67-28 to confirm Margaret Morrow to the Federal bench. GOA vigorously opposed this Clinton-appointed judge, as she has not only taken strident anti-gun positions, she has showed herself to be a gun control activist.

8. Anti-gun Surgeon General

Having nominated anti-gun David Satcher for Surgeon General, President Bill Clinton was forced to wait several months as debate raged over his controversial pick. But on February 10, 1998, the President finally realized victory. By a vote of 75-23, anti-gun Republicans teamed up with the Democrats to kill the filibuster over the Satcher nomination. Mr. Satcher was later confirmed by a vote of 63-35. Since the key vote was to end the filibuster, that is the one that was rated by GOA.

9. Ending the filibuster of a major anti-gun crime bill

On July 28, 1999, the Senate ended a filibuster led by Senator Bob Smith (I-NH) — a filibuster intended to keep anti-gun crime legislation from progressing any further. After the 77-22 vote, the Senate moved to send the language of the anti-gun Senate crime bill (S. 254) to a House-Senate conference committee. Thompson voted to break the pro-gun filibuster.

10. Young adult gun ban

The young adult gun ban could severely punish parents who allow their kids to even touch a so-called semi-automatic “assault weapon.” While the amendment allows for certain exemptions, there are some imponderable questions which NO senator could answer, but which a parent would have to answer in order to avoid incarceration. For example: What is a “semiautomatic assault weapon”? The definition, plus exemptions, takes up six pages of fine print in the U.S. Code. Second, a child can handle a banned semi-auto if he is in the “immediate and supervisory presence” of a parent or if he possess a written permission slip from the parent. But what happens when, during a target practice session, the parent walks to the car to retrieve his lunch and the juvenile is no longer in the parents “immediate” presence and does not have a permission slip? A parent can receive jail time for this infraction. The provision passed the Senate on May 13, 1999, with Thompson voting in the majority.

11. Adopting the “Gun Control Lite” strategy

On May 13, 1999, a majority of Senators — including Thompson — defeated a motion to table (or kill) an anti-gun amendment introduced by Senators Orrin Hatch (R-UT) and Larry Craig (R-WY). This amendment was offered as an alternative to gun control proposals being pushed by Sen. Frank Lautenberg.

12. McCain’s Incumbent Protection (2000 version)

By 59 to 41, the Senate passed S. 27, to amend the Federal Election Campaign Act to include Incumbent Protection provisions. The bill severely curtails the ability of outside groups such as GOA to communicate the actions of incumbent politicians to members and supporters prior to an election.

13. Incumbent Protection (2002 failed filibuster)

This was the key vote in the Senate regarding the odious Incumbent Protection bill in 2002 (H.R. 2356). The legislation finally became law that year. As he had on previous occasions, Thompson voted in favor of the bill.

If a person does not have the ability and right to self defense, they merely have the right to be murdered. But, even if the constitution were burned on the 6 0'clock news, we still have our god-given rights. We just need to make traitors start to pay for their treasons. Then the treasons will stop. Let us have trickle down justice.

Hey Rudy, Please tell us why the steel from the WTC was removed before an investigation was performed. When there is a crime in any city, there is always the protection of police of that scene. Why not in New York, or is there something we were not meant to know about??? Also, what happened to the black boxes of the planes?

Speaking as someone who has been a solid republican for nearly 50 years, I get absolutely sick to my stomach when I hear someone comment that they will not vote for the man they feel would make the best president because the media tells them he is not a front runner. Idiots, listen up !!! The media are pawns of Big Business and foreign interests. They use / abuse their power to reach the people to convince you to vote for one or the other of their pre-determined candidates (both of whom will present the agenda they are paid to represent). Also one is a supposed republican and the other a democrat; realistically there is not a nickels worth of difference in these two candidates. People can't you see they have given our country away, they have given our jobs to other countries, they are giving away our tax dollars and jobs to foreign interests and illegals, with no regard for saving a little of it for the people that think they are paying into a system that will actually help take care of them when they get too old to work. You are being raped by politicians on both sides, and this idea that I would vote for the less of two evils (when there is no less, they are equal evils) because the media has convinced me that someone looking out for an actual Americans welfare in unelectable. Folks these Billionaires only have one vote each, the same as you and I. The people are fed up with the crookedness. Talk to your friends and neighbors, tell them to vote for Ron Paul. I truely believe he will do what is right for America and Americans. I truely do not believe in cutting and running from a war, but I also don't believe in nation building after you have militarily defeated an enemy. We should mop up the mess quickly, give a stern warning to any other group that wants to interfere and then leave. If Iran wants to butt in, we simply take them out in three weeks, do not put boots on the groud after we take them out and let them spend the next few decades rebuilding and trying not to starve to death. When you make an example out of the big bully on the block everyone else will mutter a little bit under their breaths but then they will fall in line. Ron Paul is who we need to stop the bleeding in this country and put it back on track.