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Obama Campaign Defends Its Tax Cut Plan

19 Sep 2007 10:11 am

Yesterday, I published a critical view of Sen. Barack Obama's middle class tax relief plan, and after some good-natured ribbing by Obama aide Robert Gibbs, I've agreed to print their response in full.

McArdle: "This will be very expensive."

Obama Campaign: "The plan will cost $80m-$85m and we have a plan to pay for it."

McArdle: "Some of it is a blatant giveaway to those who don't need it; seniors already do *very* well out of the US government."

Obama Campaign: "Seniors making under $50,000 / year are struggling with higher health care as well as energy and heating costs and it is because of these trends that Barack Obama is providing them relief."

McArdle: "The tax simplification thing will not work. Most people itemize because they have to. It directly wars with his plan for a refundable mortgage credit."

Obama Campaign: "First, this simplification plan is not designed for everyone – it’s designed for 40 million low and middle income Americans with the simplest tax situations. The IRS already receives their bank account information, wage information and their mortgage interest information from financial institutions. So creating the tax credit does not make tax filing more complicated for these 40 million non-itemizers because the government gets their mortgage interest information anyways. Many other countries, such as Sweden and Denmark, already do this type of filing."

McArdle: "The refundable tax credit for working families to "rebate" their tax credits is silly; they're already rebated to the poor via the EITC. Expanding the EITC would make sense, but not this silly giveaway to the middle class."

Obama Campaign: "We simply disagree; low AND middle income folks have had stagnant wages and rising costs of living, regardless of whether they receive the EITC or not. The government should do whatever it takes to fight against the economic insecurity of the low and middle classes which is why we provide tax relief to both. Obama believes the middle class deserves a tax break."

McArdle: "The AARP may go nuts over the payroll tax refund; they hate any implication that it's a tax, not a contribution. Presumably the lowered taxes on seniors are supposed to buy their support."

Obama Campaign: "We aren’t saying anything about the payroll tax, rather that the tax code should respect and honor work. The best way to give working people a tax relief is to do it based on the payroll tax (or contribution) because every working person in American pays it. We are not changing the payroll tax – Social Security will continue to raise the same revenue every year."

McArdle: "Overall, not a good plan. There are better, more economically efficient ways to achieve what he is proposing, and there's not all that much money to be clawed back by repealing tax cuts on the over $250K set."

Obama Campaign: "First, the goal of the plan is to provide direct tax relief to workers, seniors and homeowners in a fair way that helps with economic insecurity. This plan represents direct methods of reaching each [payroll offset, seniors, mortgage credit] One of the principle components of paying for this plan and making the tax code more fair is closing tax shelters, corporate loopholes and corporate tax avoidance activities."

Comments (14)

"Obama Campaign: "The plan will cost $80m-$85m and we have a plan to pay for it."

How?

Once again, when are we going to get analysis from someone who's not a libertarian MBA holder?

Well, Petey, you might not find it convincing, but your question was addressed:

"One of the principle components of paying for this plan and making the tax code more fair is closing tax shelters, corporate loopholes and corporate tax avoidance activities."

Pretty clear, last line of the post.

I'd say this is probably a pander (tax breaks usually are, from pretty much any candidate), targeted at, of course, lower and middle class workers and seniors, the people Obama has done worst with.

Of course, it makes sense that he'd go after elites, policy wonks, and college students first: those are the people gobbling up campaign info way back in 2006. Now past labor day, I expect the working-class panders from all candidates to heat up. And there's no more effective way to get people to listen to you than to tell them you'll cut their taxes.

All that aside, I really do like the 5-minute tax filings aspect. It applies to me and would be much appreciated.

"Well, Petey, you might not find it convincing, but your question was addressed"

Unconvincing indeed. I'm not sure thinking you can find those kind of dollars through unspecified "loophole" closing is even remotely addressing my question.

"I'd say this is probably a pander"

It's a pander because Obama isn't even proposing a serious way of funding it.

"All that aside, I really do like the 5-minute tax filings aspect. It applies to me and would be much appreciated."

Copied from an Edwards proposal this past spring.

It's a very good idea. Reducing filing hassle for folks at the median and below is a crucial piece for building a popular progressive consensus.

Copied from an Edwards proposal this past spring

As I said over in the thread on this in MY's blog, it's not "copied from Edwards", it's taken from Obama's main adviser, Austen Goolsbee, the guy who came up with the idea. Indeed, what does it say about Edwards that his tax idea you're pimping so much was first proposed by a guy who chose to advise Obama?

The narrative you're pushing is masturbatory. I'm sure it makes you feel good, but it has about as much connection to reality as do fantasies about sleeping with Heidi Klum or whoever.

"The narrative you're pushing is masturbatory."

You may find it "masturbatory" (???) that I've brought up the fact Obama is proposing a tax cut without providing any realistic method of paying for it.

But most folks outside of the hardcore of Movement Conservatism have some very real problems with that type of unpaid-for tax cut pandering. Enacting a progressive agenda with things like universal healthcare is going to require telling the truth to the American public about revenues and expenditures.

Doesn't Edward also plan to cut taxes for the lower and middle class? To the tune of at least $30B, perhaps as much as $80B if you read this piece in the WSJ:
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB118548333453979331-ItAFYBAoG_hGSf_Fds_QG7YAYAU_20080725.html?mod=rss_free

Obama also said he would raise the highest rate for capital gains and dividends, and close the carried interest loophole:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/-/HQpress/Fact%20Sheet%20Tax%20Fairness%20Speech%20091707%20FINAL%20IH.pdf

How much more detail do you want? Has Edwards put out a spreadsheet of the numbers?

Looking at Edwards plan -- looks like a lot of great ideas and exemptions targetted at lower and middle class income-earners. But I can't find any fundamental difference in approach, nor a much greater forthrightness from Edwards about how the plan will be paid for. Just like Obama, Edwards will raise the tax on capital gains and dividends, and repeal the Bush tax cuts. His plan (http://johnedwards.com/issues/tax-reform/tax-policy-4pg.pdf) also says it will change the estate tax to apply to large (over $4M estates). Otherwise, his loopholes look similar to Obama's. What's the big difference?

The difference is that Petey is a hardcore Edwards supporter.

Closing corporate tax loopholes and rolling back dividend and capital gains tax cuts for the top tax bracket are two ways that the $85 Billion tax relief for lower and middle class will pay for itself.

I think the biggest method of payment for this, however, is their proposal for closing the loophole of off-shore tax shelters, which are used by lots and lots of rich folks to duck out of paying their taxes. There are billions and billions of dollars in these tax shelters (think "Swiss Bank Accounts" or the British Virgin Islands). In fact, check out gambling websites or shady credit card companies....and you'll find their "locations" in the Caribbean. It's a sham.

Closing those loopholes will easily bring the billions of dollars needed to pay for this revenue-neutral plan. It might affect shady rich folks who depend on cheating the IRS, but will affect very little of the rest of us, even those of us who make pretty good money. But for the lower and middle class, it will make a HUGE difference.

I really like this plan. The only thing I would add is a reworking of the AMT, which is in serious need of updating to keep from snagging middle-class workers in its trap.

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