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"Who The Hell Knows?": Further Thoughts On The Calendar Scramble

17 Oct 2007 11:51 am

I asked a campaign manager for one of the major presidential candidates whether the activities of the past 24 hours benefited his manager's candidate.

The reply: "Who the hell knows?"

Really: the campaigns are trying to figure it out, too.

One scenario a Republican gave me:

"You can't win NH and then not play in IA. But you can not play in IA and then win NH. If Romney screws up in NH, he has a save in IA. But if he wins IA, his momentum is stopped in NH. Right?"

Maybe.

One smart political reporter offers this insight into the thinking of William Gardner, the New Hampshire Secretary of State: an early December primary ensures that candidates spend time there; if the New Hampshire primary is shoehorned into January, then the pre-campaign period would be very short -- three full days between Jan. 3 and Jan. 8.

Maybe.

The First Read crew at NBC News has just about had it:

Welcome to the theater of the absurd. The possibility that both parties will have two separate primary calendars is growing more likely by the day, especially after the Iowa GOP set Jan. 3 as its date and the South Carolina Dems are set for Jan. 26 (when the SC GOP is going on Jan. 19). While it may make sense in the backrooms of a rules and bylaws committee meeting at the RNC or DNC, the average voter is probably going to be confused. What is the unintentional consequence of that? Will independents end up not participating in Iowa? Will only the most partisan activists know when their primary is? The fact that we're potentially inside of 80 days before voting begins and the candidates don't know EXACTLY when the various election days are seems beyond ridiculous. And this is the democracy we're trying to export around the world? Correct us if we're wrong, but this is an election for leader of the free world? Most city council and school board elections are straight forward, why can't our presidential election be that way, too? ? To put it another way, imagine if Major League Baseball -- as of right now -- had not yet decided whether the World Series would be a best-of-seven or a best-of-nine series. It's that bizarre in this thing we call our presidential nominating process.

Comments (4)

Now that NV is sticking with Jan. 19, Bill Gardner has no good excuses for not putting the NH primary on Jan. 8. It'll be 7 days before "any similar election". It'll be 5 days after IA yes, but in recent cycles, it's been 8 days after IA. Is the difference between 5 and 8 so great that it merits moving the primary into December?

Also, you've previously indicated that the DNC will likely not punish NH for moving its primary up to Jan. 8. Well if NH moves up into December, might that be enough for the DNC to withold all of the state's delegates? Might Obama and Edwards then have the perfect excuse to skip NH (where Clinton leads by 20 points), using the same logic that's leading them to skip FL and MI....then put all their chips in IA?

Finally, if NH votes on Jan. 8 and the IA Dems were to actually stick with Jan. 14, might that help Clinton, since NH (where Clinton's in much better shape than IA) would get all the attention of being first on the Dem. side? So are Clinton's allies in IA pulling for a Jan. 14 caucus, while Obama and Edwards's allies are pulling for a Jan. 3 or 5 caucus?

Good reasoning.

Read Simon's post at Politico and not convinced at all. Don't really see why Gardner would move NH to Decemeber. It would create extra problems and backlash that is smart enough to avoid.

I understand the confusion, and yes, states have got to learn to be team players. Eventually, that means NH and IA are going to have to learn they can't always be First among Equals. Having said that, the First Read crew needs to Lighten Up, Francis.

We all know--including you NBCers--when the election for the leader of the free world will be held. I can confidently disclose that it will be in November, 2008.

You forget--these are party nomination procedures. I personally would like them to stop mirroring the general election so much. But to use your analogy, the primary/caucus dates in contention are not the equivalent of of MLB not knowing how many games the World Series is going to be. It is the equivalent of the individual team managers deciding not to start figuring out the lineup until they walk to the plate. Perhaps not ideal, but the fact that you confuse the two speaks volumes about the MSM and their relation to the political process today.

Marc-

Can you comment on this?:

http://www.radioiowa.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=AFC5C354-F173-1D67-8C38D3AEA2266DE9

It sounds like the Iowa Dems are on the verge of getting permission from the DNC to move their primary up, though it's unclear what day it would move to.