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Atlantic Umpire: Defending Giuliani and Romney

28 Nov 2007 01:46 pm

Sometimes, our inner McMurrow-the-crime-fighting-journalist just has to intervene in the debates of the day and call balls and strikes.

1. To be clear: Rudy Giuliani is within his rights to say that murders increased in Massachusetts during the ty that "Violent Crime" -- a broad category encompassing four crimes, including murder, declined during Romney's tenure. So the difference is one of capital letters. Violent crime rose in Massachusetts, but "Violence Crime," as defined by the FBI, did not. The rise in murders was offset by the decline in other violence.

2. And to say that Mitt Romney bears any direct responsibility for the is like saying Ernie Acorsi, the former general manager of the New York Giants, should shoulder the blame for each of Eli Manning's four interceptions last Sunday. And it's a big stretch to compare Romney's situation to Gov. Michael Dukakis's furlough program, which turned Willie Horton loose.

Romney appointed a judge, Kathe Tuttman, who seemed very well qualified. The judge performed ably. Then she decided to free without bail a bad man, Daniel Tavares Jr., obviously not knowing how bad the man really was and perhaps not hearing all the available evidence that he was very bad. Tavares then committed murder, again.

Does Romney bear any moral responsibility for the murder? No. Does he bear political responsibility? Maybe -- but the cake of responsibility has, by the time it gets back to Romney, atrophied to a single wedge.

Obvious, Tavares is responsible, legally and morally, for the homicides. Our moral reckoning ends there. But realistically, we live in a world that is wedded to the illusion of cause and effect, so let's assign, like, 95% of the political blame to Tavares. Tuttman shoulders the burden of living with the decision. Maybe she's 4% responsible. So by the time one gets back to Romney, who appointed numerous judges who haven't freed any killers, we're left with so little blame as to render it meaningless.

Saying Romney Is responsible for every Tuttman decision is like saying George H.W. Bush responsible for every David Souter ruling? OK, bad comparison: for many conservatives, the comparison might hold.

For this murder, though, the chain of guilt simply breaks down, especially for law-and-order conservatives, who tend not to allow people who do bad things to blame entities and institutions for their nature.

On Willie Horton comparisons: The differenure of Mitt Romney. That's what the FBI Uniform Crime Reports say. Those reports also saence there is that Dukakis pushed for the furlough program that freed Horton. And in doing so, he ratified the political stereotype that he was "weak" on crime. Romney has never been accused of being weak on crime, has no record of it, and certainly did not push Judge Tuttman to furlough anyone.

Comments (14)

Marc,

WTF? Do you read these posts before you publish? There are so many spelling and grammar errors I can barely get through the post. It's frankly embarrassing.

This is not a wordpress blog; you are flying under the auspices of the Atlantic flag, a magazine that prides itself on fact checking and grammar. Get your head out and start churning out some product worthy of this magazine.

The Boss:
It's not really the spelling you're having problems with, it's the message.

Well, since you're not the Designated Spellchecker, don't worry about it. It seems as if people start getting too concerned about spelling when they have no other honest and substantial argument to voice.

No the message is fine. Marc does a good job but to foul it up with poor spelling is unprofessional.

Get your head out of your partisan ass Debrar and wake up to the caliber of The Atlantic.

Plus, as we all learned from HBO's The Wire, crime stats are doctored by politicians are bureaucrats like that detestable Commissioner Borrell.

I'd love for the Mitt vs. Rudy fight to continue until they're both bloodied and finished.

http://www.political-buzz.com/


Good fair article. Nice work on putting Rudy's bogus claims in contexted....

All of Rudy's claims are a huge reach and he is swinging for the fences and missing.It shows his ideas about ignoring the early primary states are failing and he is upset.

It's like someone saying that Rudy was responible for 9/11... We all know thats not case !

The difference I see is this Mistakes are going to HAPPEN, even Ronald Reagan (Great Pres.) had some in his admin. that made them......

The difference between Romney and Rudy is this. Romney will hold people accountable and set the standard high.

Rudy will sweep it under the rug, like Bernie Kerik ETC.... Do we really want someone with this up yours Brooklyn attitude running the country.

I have done a ton of homework on all the candidates.
I'm Voting for Romney, I encourage you to look into Romney.

Chandler, Arizona

My, my -- you must think you are "The Boss". Is this the type of tantrum you throw when people don't agree with your views?

At most, you can be the boss over spell checking.

Good point Chandler. If we want to talk about bad apples around the candidates, let's look at Bernie Kerik. He is MUCH closer to Rudy Guliani on the political totem pole than Tavares is to Mitt Romney. But somehow the Bernie Kerik story has suddenly disappeared from news headlines as of late...how ironic. This is such a weak, baseless attack by Rudy Guliani, I can't believe the media has hung onto it for so long.

For all of the hearsay surrounding Mitt Romney on what he REALLY stands for, it can be put to rest by looking at his personal example to know what side of the political isle he is truly on. He's a married-once, 'Leave it to Beaver' father of 5 with a squeaky clean personal life. Do you really believe a guy with this kind of glistening personal history has any true inclination toward supporting gay marriage, abortion or any other liberal view?

Passing Mitt Romney up for Hillary's male clone is just plain stupid.


Maybe the candidates should answer the questions with sock puppets....LOL

That how silly the last one was. Just have people ask the questions and demand a direct answer. As has been the case the last 5 debates, look for Romney to dominate. Hopefully him and Rudy can remain as civil as possible.

Go Romney.


If it's really true that Rudy.

Cross dressed.
Cheated on his both of his wifes 3 times.
Swept his buddy Bernie's mafia ties under the rug.

This is guy you want leading the country and being an example for your kids. It's time for a little reality check here folks.

McCain, Thompson and Huckabee I can live with, but not Rudy.

I would be strongly disappointed if it was anyone other then Romney.

Scandals. They have unfortunately defined so much of our politics over the past three decades. So much of politics is designed to dredge up scandals, call for investigations and hinder the real work of the party in power. Both parties should have learned by now that promoting scandal laden candidates means you are handing the other party plenty of ammunition.

Guiliani has mistresses and connected police Chief. Thompson's wife is not first lady material and is a disaster waiting to happen. Huckabee had five campaign finance violations--some quite disturbing. Huckabee also destroyed government office computers and finished off the day by loading up the moving van with art, books and furniture from the governor's mansion that was not his and his tacky wife's to take. One candidate is scandal free: Mitt Romney

The fact that someone has to use Kevin Bacon six degrees of separation logic to link Romney to scandal shows how desperate his enemies are to dig up dirt on him.

Thank you for pointing out the tenuous causation used to pin this on Romney. Shame on the Boston Herald, CNN and their ilk for spending the last two weeks talking about how this was Romney's "Willie Horton". The Washington Post finally pointed out the ridiculousness of the charge but when they did so chided Romney and Guiliani for politicizing it. Romney wouldn't have been forced to push if irresponsible reporters had not tried to splash blame on Romney for this for the first two weeks. There should have been more common sense reporting like this blog for the first two weeks following the story.

Scandals. They have unfortunately defined so much of our politics over the past three decades. So much of politics is designed to dredge up scandals, call for investigations and hinder the real work of the party in power. Both parties should have learned by now that promoting scandal laden candidates means you are handing the other party plenty of ammunition.

Guiliani has mistresses and connected police Chief. Thompson's wife is not first lady material and is a disaster waiting to happen. Huckabee had five campaign finance violations--some quite disturbing. Huckabee also destroyed government office computers and finished off the day by loading up the moving van with art, books and furniture from the governor's mansion that was not his and his tacky wife's to take. One candidate is scandal free:

Mitt Romney.

The fact that someone has to use Kevin Bacon six degrees of separation type logic to link Romney to scandal shows how desperate his enemies are to dig up dirt on him. They have nothing on him. Romney has no tolerance or loyalty to those who lack. He alone would be able to use the full force of the office to pursue goals undistracted by scandals.

Thank you for pointing out the tenuous causation used to pin this on Romney. Shame on the Boston Herald, CNN and their ilk for talking about how this was Romney's "Willie Horton" for the last two weeks. It was really disingenuous journalism. The Washington Post finally pointed out the ridiculousness of the charge but when they did so chided Romney and Guiliani for politicizing it. Romney wouldn't have pushed back if there had been any common sense reporting, like this blog for the first two weeks following the story.

Romney alone is going to be scandal free. He has my vote.

If you'd like thousands more concrete smoking guns that Rudy Giuliani is the most dishonest and corrupt pol in US HISTORY, visit my site or others.

Even the photos I put up prove Rudy and the media lied about his "cleaning up" NYC.

He's still the tool of the corporations, which is why he will win the election.

(Oh no? Yeah, look at how badly Bush's endless screwups and failures in his first term cost him in the 2004 race!)

GiulianiSCANDALS.blogspot.com

I don't think this is a scandal, but an interesting twist on Huckabee.

Disc jockey for president
Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007

By John Brummett

One of the national writers putting together a profile of Mike Huckabee asked how it might be that this preacher showed such an affinity for popular culture.

The Chuck Norris alliance, the tailgate party in South Carolina with the wrestler, the pardon for Keith Richards, the playing of bass guitar in a rock cover band offering Lynyrd Skynyrd - isn't all that out of character for a man from the Southern Baptist pulpit?

Actually, Huckabee was a radio man before he was a preacher and he has remained more decidedly a media man than a pulpit man.

His superficially likable nature, which provides the essence of his oddly succeeding presidential campaign, comes via a disc jockey's shtick rather than a pastor's. I refer to the rich intonations of his professional voice, the music, the hip topicality, the impersonations, the jokes, the Mr. Glib.

It can't be those radical policies. Outlawing abortion altogether, not merely leaving it to the states, is extreme. A national sales tax to replace the income tax is a gimmick, either scandalously regressive or entirely too difficult to design so that it wouldn't be. He barely scratches the surface on foreign policy with what got described over the weekend as "cheerful know-nothingness." He denies the better points of his record in Arkansas, since they're entirely too moderate for modern Republican primary voters.

His is wholly a candidate of personality, and, as such, is more Don Imus than Billy Graham.

Yes, Imus. Huckabee can be mean and inappropriate. It usually doesn't get revealed until the second impression. He's still making his first out there on the trail.

As a midteen, Huckabee found work, including some on-air, on a Hope radio station. Then he had one of those seminal religious moments. So he figured he'd apply his talents and interests to serve Jesus through Christian broadcasting.

That led him to the seminary, after which, almost by accident, he got preaching work in Pine Bluff, then Texarkana. In both towns, he supplemented the preaching with work for which he was better-suited and that he more enjoyed. That would be a local cable television show.

He attained the presidency of the Arkansas Baptist Convention not so much by conventional preaching as by the clever politics of making himself palatable both to fundamentalists and moderates. It was from there that he moved to secular politics.

When Huckabee was lieutenant governor, needing something to do in that pointless job, he accepted an invitation to substitute for a vacationing radio talk show host. He invited me to be his guest, mainly so he and his callers could berate me. He was fully at home and adept in the radio booth.

One day as he prepared to ascend to the governorship, Huckabee had a news conference. I was struck by his intimacy with the TV cameramen. He joshed with them authoritatively about their equipment, specifically about the comparative modernity of one station's gear versus another's.

Then the producer of his cable show in Texarkana, Gary Underwood, joined the governor's staff. Huckabee and Underwood transformed the governor's conference room into an audiovisual studio. They produced a slick, self-promotional cable television program that they distributed for use by ever-pliable local access channels.

As Huckabee prepared to become governor, he said one of his dreams was to do radio play-by-play for a Razorback football game. Naturally, as the new governor, he was obliged. He described a few downs, smoothly and ably, of course.

From time to time I've written an unoriginal but incisive line, which is that Huckabee is really running for his own show on Fox or MSNBC. I'm sticking with that.

But I'll admit there are moments lately when I wonder if he'll have to go through the motions of being the Republican presidential or vice presidential nominee first.

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John Brummett is a columnist for the Arkansas News Bureau in Little Rock. His e-mail address is jbrummett@arkansasnews.com; his telephone number is (501) 374-0699.