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The Debate In Review

28 Nov 2007 10:05 pm

The leading Republican presidential candidates fought about a lot, but in the end, for many (not all) of the issues on which they disagreed, there’s really no way to figure out how a President Huckabee would differ from a President Romney on immigration policy.

Also: where was health care? It’s a huge issue in Florida, but it came up not once... So don’t be upset that I’m going to skip the substance and get to the style:

McCain’s mix of resigned sighs, sober mien and sense of humor went over well with a crowd that seemed predisposed to be wary of him. He drew out Ron Paul on the war (before Giuliani had the chance to), and it proved a very clear exchange of principles and a very good YouTube moment for McCain. There was a long period of time during the middle of the debate – probably 25 minutes – where he did not get to answer one question. But then he and Mitt Romney debated – actually debated – the question of waterboarding. McCain got the better of the exchange, but he always gets the better of exchanges on the subject. It’s not clear whether the Republican base agrees that waterboarding, even if torturous, should not be applied to enemy combatants. But the press will lap it up – and so might New Hampshire independents. McCain has as good a night as a candidate can have if you consider what the average Republican and Republican-leaning independent in the Granite State are looking for.

Giuliani had a an “eh” to “poor” night. He seemed deflated. A little defensive. Perfunctory answers on the literal truth of the bible and on abortion. Nothing out of the ordinary, but no memorable moments outside of his exchanges with Romney, where he was flustered and a little aggressive.

Thompson: He gets more comfortable with every debate. Tonight, he repeatedly matched parts of his resume to the issues at hand, a way of answering the lingering question that he’s checked out. It was a very good performance in a state he needs to pump his numbers. His answer on guns was very clear and strong.

Huckabee held his own and was not really subjected to close scrutiny. A strong answer for his Iowa audience on the bible.

Romney had a strong night, seemed raring to go, seemed to be willing to take on everybody,
anybody, all comers, seemed to want to pick every fight possible. It’s as if Alex Gage whispered to Romney as he went on stage: “Governor, remember: you want the headlines to be “Romney Fights For Conservative Principles.”

The early fireworks between Giuliani and Romney had a thin quality to it, as if they were nitpitcking and sniping, rather than debating a point or principle. Does the party want to showcase a confrontation over the finer points of immigration policy? Is there really a difference between Romney, Giuliani and Thompson on immigration. No. What is the effect of a debate that produces false distinctions? As Tom Tancredo noted: “All I’ve heard is people trying to out Tancredo Tancredo.”

Comments (36)

All the 7 republican dwarfs were lacklusture.

Rudy was a BIG flop.

Romney tried to act smarta** but stumbled.

McCain looked very stubborn in defending surge.

Thomson looked and spoke like a lazy old man.

Huckabee spoke more like a preacher than someone who wants to be president.

Ron Paul sounded sensible but crowd booing was weird.

Tancredo and Hunter were irrelevant as usual.

All in all its Democrates who won the debate today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

McCain destroyed Romney with that torture answer.

Overall, Ron Paul won the debate.

How come Anderson Cooper did not dig Rudy deeper about his 'Taxpayers Financed Extramarital Affair'.

This story today about Rudy is nuclear and will destroy him campaign.

Accrding to the story, "As New York mayor, Rudy Giuliani billed obscure city agencies for tens of thousands of dollars in security expenses amassed during the time when he was beginning an extramarital relationship with future wife Judith Nathan in the Hamptons," according to documents obtained by The Politico.

The documents "show that the mayoral costs had nothing to do with the functions of the little-known city offices that defrayed his tabs, including agencies responsible for regulating loft apartments, aiding the disabled and providing lawyers for indigent defendants. At the time, the mayor’s office refused to explain the accounting to city auditors, citing 'security.'"

Rudy, Romney and McCain sounded like the three stooges and Tancredo and Hunter were never in the debate (courtesy of GoogleTube). All that sparring without purpose or principal, especially the stooges who think illegal migration is about lawn care.

I didn't watch the whole thing, but from what I saw The Good Doctor Ron Paul got screwed in the amount of time he was asked questions. Huckabee seemed like he got every question... was it that way the first 1.5 hours as well?

Of course Ron Paul won. He is also going to win the nomination and is really the only candidate that can beat the Democrats.

Most people don't believe the neo-con arguement anymore for the war.

Ron Paul won by showing up.

How would US regain its image around world?

Rudy answered.. 'by more aggressively fighting islamic jihad'.

McCain answered.. 'by continuing the surge in Iraq'.

These jokers simple don't get it!

Huckabee could be a perfect candidate for hardcore right wingers but to the mainstream amerricans he come out as a 'jihadi' guy.

Romney clearly screwed up big time on 'gays in the military' and 'abortion' question.

Romney's voice was faltering throughout. He did poorly.

A question for everyone:

How many times BUSH was mentioned by the republican stooges who want to carry on his agenda?

Any guesses??

Green guy,

It was pretty much the same in the first hour. Dr. Paul spoke first after approx 30 minutes. Even then, his first question was about 'connspiracy' and another included phrases like "crazy like a fox." From 5000 questions were these the most relevant they could ask him? One wonders where the subsidence is? Seems like an attempt to denigrate by association. Pity but Ron Paul rocks!

Can I get one candidate by morphing good qualities of all the candidates into one?

With the current crop we as GOP are poised to loose next year. As someone said democrats won the debate today.

We know John McCain is not an isolationist as his record as a US Senator and representing the State of Arizona as he has openly ignored his constituents pleading to close its borders to the all of Mexico moving into the state.

McCain is a habitual offender of US immigration laws and puts to Arizonans the burden to educate, feed and medically treat this illegal immigration.

McCain attacks Ron Paul for upholding our laws and his desires to keep us at peace with other nations.

I am confident that John McCain will not be the next President.

Isn't it interesting that both Romney and Giuliani engaged in almost endless parsing and yet the media won't provide half of the focus they gave on Hillary after the Philadelphia debate? Romney in particular is amazing: He has the nerve of the liar who lies in your face and then acts indignant upon being called on it.

To me -and I believe to most people- Huckabee won the debate.

And I am not a christian conservative or a Republican for that matter...

Interesting how McCain tried to twist Romney's words on torture. Romney said he does NOT endorse torture, and McCain told him shame on you for endorsing torture. Hell-oo!!!! Romney had to restate what he'd already said, including once more that he would NOT disclose the actions which would be taken on enemy combatants, rather, he'd seek information from various think tanks (McCain included) just as he cited that this particular advice was given to him by various high ranking military figures.

Go ROMNEY!!! ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT 2008!!!

RON PAUL 2008! SAVE AMERICA!!!

This debate was INCREDIBLY stupid and mismanaged. However, Ron Paul clearly won. So much so that the moderator and other candidates had to totally ignore Paul the Great to shut up his brilliant truth-speaking.

USA! USA! RON PAUL FOR THE USA! :)

Giuliani got hit a little harder tonight. I think he got slightly the worse of his exchange with Romney on immigration, and his answer on gun control was also unconvincing and unpopular. Romney ended up caught in the headlights waffling a couple of times.
I thought McCain and Thompson did well. Huckabee did all right, but (to my eyes at least) seemed a little creepy and histrionic at times. He also dodged a lot of questions. Tancredo had some good lines, but not a lot of questions directed to him.
And of course they gave Ron Paul only a handful of questions, some of them fairly insulting (I didn't see anyone else get told they weren't going to win the nomination). He did all right under the circumstances.

Also, in addition to no healthcare questions, they got no questions on the environment at all. Time enough to ask whether they believe every word of the Bible, but whether they believe in global warming? No, no time for that...

Was it just me or did CNN completely screw Ron Paul in this debate? He had at most 2 minutes of air time. Also, most of these questions were terrible. This was the best CNN could pick from? I don't buy it, nor should you. They picked certain questions and certain candidates who they wanted to answer those questions to best fit who they think should win, and you can tell that they definately didn't want Ron Paul to win by what he was given. Also, did you listen to the post debate show? One person was dumbfounded about Ron Paul's response about a road linking North America, yet that road is actually being built. Who is the idiot now?

Huckabee won Hands down. He is the most articulate, humble, real candidate out of all of them-after all the verbal stumbles of the Bush presidency we have finally discovered someone who can communicate republican principles with wit & wisdom. McCain came out ok. Romney just got a beating..wow..definitely NOT his night. I wonder what Hugh Hewitt and all those who were so ready to give Romney the mantle of conservatism are doing after this one. HUCKABEE is a force to be contended with, and tonight he showed WHY he is on the rise in Iowa. The Underdog is poised to take a bite out of Rudy McRomney on Jan 3rd. The others were all a distant..3rd...Duncan Hunter had some ok stuff and Fred is frankly coming across as kinda like..hey man ..someone please pick me for VP so I can sport my hot wife around DC.

Huckabee won Hands down. He is the most articulate, humble, real candidate out of all of them-after all the verbal stumbles of the Bush presidency we have finally discovered someone who can communicate republican principles with wit & wisdom. McCain came out ok. Romney just got a beating..wow..definitely NOT his night. I wonder what Hugh Hewitt and all those who were so ready to give Romney the mantle of conservatism are doing after this one. HUCKABEE is a force to be contended with, and tonight he showed WHY he is on the rise in Iowa. The Underdog is poised to take a bite out of Rudy McRomney on Jan 3rd. The others were all a distant..3rd...Duncan Hunter had some ok stuff and Fred is frankly coming across as kinda like..hey man ..someone please pick me for VP so I can sport my hot wife around DC.

Huckabee's answers seemed the least rehearsed and the most genuine, and he gave an especially good answers on immigration. I'm beginning to think he may have a real shot in Iowa, although I still can't see him getting the nomination. Romney was the weakest I've seen him; he refused to answer too many questions and stumbled over others. Ron Paul was as much of a kook as usual.

I fail to see why political insiders largely seem to think that Romney did well tonight (or any night, for that matter). It seemed to me that tonight was his worst of the bunch; he came off looking like a complete, mean-spirited jerk in the exchange with Huckabee, and his exchange with McCain was just bizarre: "I know what waterboarding is, but I don't think it's appropriate for a Presidential candidate to say if it amounts to torture." Other than that, he was his usual robotic self. Maybe he had some good moments when I left the room for a few minutes.

CNN had a biased approach. The top question that people voted for of the 5000 youtube videos entered didn''t even make it on the show. Let alone the fact that Romney was asked to feild the majority of the questions asked. Upon where Ron Paul was asked maybe four in a two hour period. Main Stream Media needs to wake up and quit lying. Ron Paul has a wide array of supporters. All of his money is grassroots and all his supporters are America''s New Voice. See for yourself.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Which one was Ron Paul?

The format of the CNN program was superficial and boring: YouTube questions were vague and unintelligent one-liners (geared to the emotions rather than the intelligence). I thought this was supposed to be a real DEBATE??? Where was the development of political issues juxtaposed with policy? Where the logical structure of thought even though compressed to 30 second sound bites?

Who, for instance, can praise Huckabee for his humor when it amounted in one instance to smearing another candidate (Clinton and Mars) or avoiding the answer to a question (Jesus and politics). Am I supposed to be impressed with Huckebee's Statesmanship? Comedy Corner quippers are not appropriate to the high office of President during a GOP debate in a country where the working and middle classes of America are disintegrating, where few will have retirement, where millions will work themselves to death without any hope of retirement or adequate health care due to the baby boomer drain on medical infrastructure.

This horse and pony show, highlighting Giuliani and Romney was one big boring episode. Dylan Thomas' poem, "Do not go gently into that good-night... rage rage against the burning of the light..." more like TS Eliot's Hollow Men: "Not with a bang, but with a whimper."

Ron who?

You RonTards keep going at it like there's really a chance he'll be competitive.

"Oh, he's coming up. He doubled his lead in the fitzoid poll and the binfad poll. He's gone from 2% to 4%! Oh, he's going to be the next POTUS!"

Take off the tin foil hat folks.

Get real. He's a side show.

Ron who?

You RonTards keep going at it like there's really a chance he'll be competitive.

"Oh, he's coming up. He doubled his lead in the fitzoid poll and the binfad poll. He's gone from 2% to 4%! Oh, he's going to be the next POTUS!"

Take off the tin foil hat folks.

Get real. He's a side show.

Did we see the same debate? Paul is a whining idiot! He should be an Independent and not disgrace the name of Republican any longer. I could not help but think that Huckabee was a breath of fresh air. He didn't seem to skirt around the issues and was very well articulated. The fact that he has been a preacher is interesting to me but I don't think it will discourage my vote should I decide on him.

M.S.,

If I may... The Good Doctor Ron Paul is not disgracing the Republican name/brand, actually quite the opposite is true. He is restoring the GOP brand. For him to attract followers like me, who have never supported a GOP politician beyond local/county (they can do WAY too much damage in state or federal government) is only broadening the potential pool of GOP voters.

And for the record I'm not a Dem and have only voted for Dems in 1 Senate race and 1 Presidential race in my entire 15+ years of voting.

the whole debate was a shame....

cnn did not give fair and equitable time for all candidates....only the ones that they like. its not democractic and not true journalism when you marginalize other candidates by not giving them hardly any questions or giving the hardest ones to answer.

if you research ron paul...he gets the most attention on youtube. i would have to guess that most of the 5000 questions were ron paul influenced. it was funny that some of the stands that ron paul took months ago and how the other candidates mock him are slowly mimicking some of his positions.

some of the questions, if allowed by the other candidates to answer them would show you the real differences between each of their platforms. but alas, opportunity lost.

not really....

we can not be a nation of sheep when you have the media guiding the questions and picking who the candidates are. follow the money as mike grave says. each of the media is own by the corporate elite. they have a vested interest in getting what they want. do you think ron paul shares their views? wake up america!!!!

we have been dumbed down by society, the media, our education system. we lack the ability to become critical thinkers. how the other people evaluated the debates really show the depth of their understanding....which is not very much. i challenge you to be a critical thinker. do your research.

if you think ron paul did an average performance compared to some....then evaluate why there wasn't enough questions thrown at him. its a tactic called "marginalizing" if you are aware of it...you would see it more apparent. read all the media articles....they marginalize because they fear a real change.

be a critical thinker...please.

look at ron paul...you tube, read his interviews (outside of the mainstream corporate media). take the red pill (ref matrix). wake up...the end of our empire is right around the corner....subprime, the falling of the dollar...the eroding of the constitution.

don't be sheep. wake up.

How can you lame-brains even remotely consider Ron Paul as a serious candidate for President? The guy (along with Dennis Kucinich) just stepped off the space-ship! weeeeeooooooooooo!

With Ron Paul as US president, the whole world would
quickly go nuclear, and the US would be a prime
target not only for the jihadists, but international
gangs wishing to extort money and concessions in
exchange for a promise of not to explode nuclear
devices in the US.

Romney was clearly the winner of last night's debate. Giuliani was idiotic and could only come up with "sanctuary mansion?!?" Should every American check to see if the company they hired to provide a service actually employs legal residents?!? I always tell companies NO ILLEGALS, but guess what, they lie to your face and then still use them and that's why we need the social security match verification program that Romney supports! Justice Breyer (liberal)struck down the Bush Admnin.'s trying to get this into effect stating that it would be "too much of a burden on businesses and American workers." If you don't hire illegals, then you have nothing to worry about. Romney's the only one who will stand up for what's right, without wavering. He is NOT a career politician. The rest of the candidates are! ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT!

If anyone votes for ANY Democrat, get ready for increased taxes, socialized medicine, more corruption (Clinton style) and amnesty rammed down our throats! This country needs change in a new direction and Romney will bring that change! He stood up to the tax and spend liberals in MASS. and he'll do it in DC as President. I would love to see Romney choose a very qualified conservative woman as his running mate. This country should finally have a woman as its president, but not that scheming, lying Hillary Clinton! ANYONE BUT HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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