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Bill Clinton ... Well, He Just Puts Everything On The Table. Read It.

14 Dec 2007 11:28 pm

In a hard-changing interview with Charlie Rose tonight, Bill Clinton said Americans who are prepared to choose someone with less experience, are prepared to "roll the dice" about the future of America. "It's less predictable, isn't it? When is the last time we elected a president based on one year of service before he's running?"

"What do you want to do -- whether you think it matters that, I mean, in theory, no experience matters," Clinton said. "In theory, we could find someone who is a gifted television commentators and let them run. They'd have only one year less experience in national politics..."

And Clinton said the notion that experience led the politicians to sanction the Iraq War is "absurd."

"That's like saying that because 100% of the malpractice cases are committed by doctors, the next time I need surgery, I'll get a chef or a plumber to do it."

Towards the end of the interview, Rose indicated that Clinton's staff was asking producers in his show's control room to get them to have Rose end the interview.

And Clinton said: "Somebody will parse this interview..." to take his quotes out of context. "It is stupid... I think we are fortunate in having people..I think the relevant question from me is, who will be the best president who has a proven record of making change in the lives of other people."

They may parse his body language. Toward the end of the interview, his hands began to shake and his face reddened as he discussed the political thicket his wife finds herself in.

Please read this rough transcription of Clinton's take on why his wife isn't doing well in Iowa and New Hampshire.


"Really, really interesting, that I've heard Sen. Obama a dozen times making some fairly derisive comment about Hillary...saying, you know, she had a decades old plan to be president...repeating this total canard that...totally fabricated account from an anti-Hillary book...as if it was something bad that he didn't have a decades-long president...so on their website they put reports that he had been planning to run for president...and they put this thing when he was in kindergarten that he planned to run for president..but the Obama people got the press on their side..."

Rose asked Clinton whether he was nervous about the state of the campaign.

"Well, no. Let me back up. In January, when on New Years Day, she said she was finally going to try and do this... I said I'll make you a prediction...allt he press will say you will coast to the nomination....I think you will have a difficult time getting nominated, and if you are nominated, you'll win the general election handily.....[HRC asked why]...you'll have to run in Iowa, which is the single most difficult state...but Sen. Edwards has a well-earned, huge cadre of support in Iowa because he's worked it for seven years...Sen. Obama is next door, that matters.

Rose: "You think that's the reason for the polls...""

Clinton: "On Edwards, there is no doubt...So, look I've done this before. When I lost in New Hampshire to Paul Tsongas, I lost the first 10 miles next to the Massachusetts border. I carried everything from 10 miles north up to the Canadian border. There are thousands of Illinois students in Iowa colleges...who have never caucused before...[insists he's not lowering expectations.]..he's been to 75 counties, she's been to 50..so my view of this is that I never thought she had a big lead in Iowa...the Iowa people have been really fair to her...they've listened to her and they've given her a chance, and she might win there...and it is astonishing...from the beginning of this race, she had a lead in 36 of 38 states...and not having good luck...what has really happened...what i have been frustrated about has nothing to do with her campaign...the challenges in the polls in the moments will be overcome..I can feel in Iowa, it depends on what people think the answer is...in New Hampshire...the Republicans have been attacking her in all the debates...those attacks affect independent voters...she is not in a position to answer back what the Republicans are doing in the primary...that has not been good..."

"In Iowa, nobody wants to go negative on television, so really it's a war underneath the radar screen and it has more to do with how the press interprets it than anything else...what broke her momentum there was the extraordinary attention given to her not very great answer on the driver's licenses....the press should have a common set of standards..."

"He is great, Edwards is really good..."

"It's a miracle she's got a chance to win."

Richardson, Biden, Dodd are ready to be president, Clinton says.

"Obama has got great skills. It depends on what the American people think is more important....[do they] have somebody who is very his very nature a compelling, very attractive, highly intelligent, visible symbol of transformation, or is it more ...[important] to have someone who would also symbolize change...but who has done a significant number of things to change other people's lives."

Comments (618)

Question: What is Clinton doing now?

Answer: He is telling IA voters that they need to vote for her wife? His wife is experienced and Obama is not. He is saying good things about Edwards, Biden, Richardson, etc. as they are not a threat to her and they want to be 2nd choices for her.

The Clinton Machine is smarter than anyone on the planet.

Also, I am watching Vanderbilt son, Anderson Cooper (two-name fan of the Machine). His guest is Gloria Borger (a perpetual cheerleader of all things that are blowing).

Gloria keeps repeating like a parrot:

Clinton is experienced.

I see this phrase and hear it almost n-times every day.

So, a trillion dollar question:

What, exactly, is Mrs. Clinton's experience? What has she accomplished? How much of this experience can be reviewed in public with all the raw data?

Obama has more years in elected office than Clinton. I'm not sure what she's counting as experience.

Again, here in lies the Trillion Dollar problem.

NO ONE - YES, NO ONE IN THE PRESS - is asking what exactly is your experience, Mrs. Clinton? She has accomplished very, very little. She even failed her bar exam the first time around?

Why?

Is it because she is woman? Is it because she is wife of an adulterer? Is it because people want to stay close to power and so want to be in good graces of the Machine?

If she is the nominee, then I am not voting at all.

Why?

Ok, Bill Clinton is losing it.

And Clinton said the notion that experience led the politicians to sanction the Iraq War is "absurd."

"That's like saying that because 100% of the malpractice cases are committed by doctors, the next time I need surgery, I'll get a chef or a plumber to do it."

I can't believe he said this with a straight face. He's completely misrepresenting Obama's point here. If I know a doctor has 25 years of experience, but she has committed malpractice treating a sympton similar to mine, then I'm not going to THAT DOCTOR; I'd rather have a young, but competent doctor than an experienced one who's committed malpractice. The whole chef thing is just disingenous bullsh*t.

I'm losing more and more respect for the Clintons as each day goes by. If not Obama, I hope Edwards can pull it out. I can't take another 4-16 years (if Clinton gets into office, you can almost guarantee another Republican following her term) of this dysfunctional family and the disfunction it causes in Republicans (not blaming the Clintons, just acknowledging reality).

I don't give 2 coins for what the Clintons did in the past or are doing now. All I care about is getting a democrat as the president after the 2008 elections. I don't care who it is....Biden, Clinton, Dodd, Edwards, Obama or richardson. Anyone of them will do me.
So Bill should better sort his ass out and tell Hillary's campaign to stop making the job of eventual nominee more difficult.
Such bogus interview. If u want to criticise, do so..don't lay down huddles for repugs to use later..doesn't he realize that his statements could be used in an ad against Obama.
Focus on ISSUES. I will always respect Dodd and Biden ..even Kucinich..throw in Gravel for that matter..issues..don't tear us down.
Clinton-Edwards-Obama should all sort their heads out and get it straight..the party first an after that uh political ambitions.
Buncha kids.

Methinks that the "Extremely Angry Democrat" is a Clinton handler/pol/clueless-supporter [who refuses to ackonwledge that she is the least experienced of the democratic candidates]

Don't be so obvious.

Support Obama. [Reject HRC/The Clinton Machine at all times]

"When is the last time we elected a president based on one year of service before he's running?"


WHO IN THE HELL IS BILL CLINTON TALKING ABOUT!??

OBAMA HAS HELD ELECETED OFFICE FOR 11 YEARS!
(4 more than Hillary!)

I AM FED UP WITH THE UNDERHANDED, SUGGESTIVE, MISLEADING BS OF THE CLINTONS!

"When is the last time we elected a president based on one year of service before he's running?"

Hi Bill, Obama had eight years in the state legislature, where he took on some difficult issues like the death penalty and racial profiling and worked to build a consensus that could actually get those bills passed through a republican state senate. He has 3 years in the senate, with some important transparency, clean election, and anti-proliferation legislation, not to mention a number of smaller bipartisan bills.

Clinton had eight years in the white house, during which she had the failed 1993 health care reform and visited a lot of countries and... not much else. As a senator, she has a few small bills on education and health care. She was wrong on Iran and Iraq. Tell me again why the American should trust her "experience" more?

Jesus. This is fairly incoherent rambling from the absolute BEST politician, in every aspect, of the past 20 years. I know I should wait for the final transcript, and watching the tape definitely gives better context. But, DAMN.

Here is the only thing I can note right now:

"It depends on what the American people think is more important....[do they] have somebody who is very his very nature a compelling, very attractive, highly intelligent, visible symbol of transformation..."

Who does that describe? Bill Clinton, 1992.

you obama fans are very surprising. you are a herd, you go to every article and spew garbage. clinton is one of the BEST political strategist out there and he will see things the way they appear to him. just dont herd around every small article.

Well, in the end, Obama has Michelle and Hillary has Bill and given his standing in the world and his understanding of how to rebuild America in the eyes of the world, having Bill as husband is the plus that could make me favor Hillary if Biden gets overlooked. Washington is a mean place and I am not sure Barack has the experience on the national level with the kind of rear, side and frontal attack the Republicans and corporations will have to attack him with, nor has he made the types of powerful connections politically that might help him through. Oprah is a good person to get out the vote of the sit at home watching television crowd, but most working women don't get home to see her on television and don't have the allegiance to her that pundits think. Her crowd is the type that doesn't want to work or doesn't have to work. Around my office, the women folks are saying "Oprah can't tell me who to vote for." even from those who supported Barack Obama prior to her endorsement. We know that Hillary worked hard all her career and actually brought home more money than Bill most of their married life. We know she did one helluva job raising her daughter. We know she has weathered vilification far worse then Barack has ever seen and we know, either one of them will be swift boated beyond belief by the party that has shown it will go to every extreme to win. And we know, whether we like it or not, racism will stick its ugly head up in November 2008 and his crowd will be harrassed at every pollng place left in order to suppress the minority vote. The democrats would be best to nominate Biden! He has the best of both Hillary and Barack put together.

"And Clinton said: "Somebody will parse this interview..." to take his quotes out of context. "It is stupid... I think we are fortunate in having people..I think the relevant question from me is, who will be the best president who has a proven record of making change in the lives of other people."["


Parse this:
This is a great question Bill. But somehow I think Bill Clinton is suggesting here the choice is between Obama and HIMself. Because Hillary may not possibly win this showdown either.

It is time to start discussing these differences between Obama's and Hillary's work.

you obama fans are very surprising. you are a herd, you go to every article and spew garbage. clinton is one of the BEST political strategist out there and he will see things the way they appear to him. just dont herd around every small article.


Posted by chris | December 15, 2007 4:38 AM

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Precisely, they run like a pack of dogs from HuffPo and every other anti Hillary blog, to sing the praises of "Oprah's Messiah", and damn ClINTON THE EXPERIENCE CANDIDATE, they gather like screaming children in the street. Many of these people don't vote, aren't old enough to vote, and know zero about potitics, or what they are voting for, they are in a movement, their movement. They could care less that Obama would lose a National Election by a landslide, they are in their movement. The sadness is, a large part of this movement are Republicans cashing in on an opportunity to destroy the Democrat they realize they cannot defeat.

Then we have the press, the good old reliable press, always up for a good Clinton bashing. The press in this country is one of the worst elements of our society, they are worthless, completely worthless, they are the jackels that swope in to devour the what remains after the lies and half-truths have done their damage.

Obama is this years Ralph Nader.....

Saturn's Child hits the nail on the head regarding the Obama supporters and Hillary haters: "Precisely, they run like a pack of dogs from HuffPo and every other anti Hillary blog, to sing the praises of "Oprah's Messiah", and damn ClINTON THE EXPERIENCE CANDIDATE, they gather like screaming children in the street."

Robert Kennedy, Jr. rightfully points to the similarity between today's ignorant, loud-mouthed, anti-Hillary hate-mongers and the small, but equally noisy group of people who once hated FDR and Eleanor Roosevelt.

Take note: FDR was elected president four times.

An added word about the desperation of the good old boy network that continues to dominate the media: they inflate every non-issue they can find in their chauvinistic attacks on Clinton in an effort to stir up controversy and attrack traffic (usually the above loudmouths) to their unprofessional, unethical, and dishonest news coverage.

As usual, the Clinton-ites are missing the point. Point is, to support HRC, one must be willing to accept the status quo of divide and conquer politics. Well, increasingly Americans are sick and tired of this strategy...and yes, Bill and Hill are champs at it! "Divide and rule, a sound motto. Unite and lead, a better one." ~ Goethe

And sorry folks, but Hillary's short suit is in the 'uniting' category. PERIOD.

Why do so many Democrats like this people again?

One of the reasons an Obama or Edwards win is so crucial is that it would complete the removal of the Clintons from the seat of power in the Democratic Party.

And also because she is just darned unelectable.

(p.s. the reason you don't hear Obama talking about how he has MORE experience in elected office--which he does--than Hillary, is because he knows that no one gives a hoot about that this year other than the stodgy and unimaginative conservative democrats who would support Hill anyway)

Clinton was at best a fair to moderate president, whose overall performance in office and its consequences will be judged more negative than positive.. he is a man of poor personal judgment, one who embraces lying whenever factual truth is inconvenient. His personal behavior set the stage for Bush to get close enough to steal the election, not that there were not other problems with Gore's run and the choice he made and the obstacles he faced- Nader- but without Bill's indifference to reasonable and discrete behavior which triggered his instinct to lie when caught, Bush would not have gotten close and all the other problems with Gore's run would not have prevented him from being inaugurated.

Now Bubba is hawking his wife, and making her appear to feeble to stand on her own, which perhaps she is when things are contested rather than handed to her, and he is acting indecent again towards any competitor who is capturing the attention of voters and offering hope of not more of the same old thing. If people want a crap shoot, then this dysfunction, its about me team of Bubba and Hill, will offer the American people more of the same nasty types of surprises packages they did the first time around. Only compared to the Bushs does this duo look acceptable, but the differences between the Bush and Clinton are not much and closing... Bubba and the politics of fear... please get off the stage and give us a break from your ethnocentrism and BS.

Hi,

Hillary is experienced. In the Senate, she became a leader of bipartisan support on defense issues, and gained the respect of both sides. In the White House, she was always in the background, doing things. Her national health care bill didn't pass, but neither did Richard Nixon's, which was very similar. She has a lot of detractors (Clinton Haters), so that is going to hurt her, and people that just don't like powerful women, or women in charge. She can wither political storms. She is part of the establishment, and will compromise to get things done. Obama is charismatic, young, and optimistic. He learns pretty quickly. Both candidates have a problem with electability, Clinton-a women, clinton haters, war stance, can rally Republicans; Obama-black, name sounds like Osama (this will be exploited heavily). Each has serious drawbacks. Huckabee on the Republican side seems like the strong candidate. He will unite the Republicans, get out the hard core evangelicals who are disappointed in Bush that he didn't deliver in Iraq, or on abortion, prayer in schools, gay marriage ammendment. Republicans can sell the temporary lull in fighting as winning in Iraq. We might be in a nasty fight in Iran also, adding fear into the electorate, further bolstering a strong male conservative candidate. It's going to be a horse race!

bill, bill,bill.... you know i have respect for you, you were an ok president. but not this time. i cant believe after all the mess coming from the clinton camp,some people can't see or refuse to see the truth about the clintons. wiling to do or say anything to gain the white house, not this time.

I'm sorry to say, but it's also rolling the dice to elect someone whose spouse's sex life is a Pandora's box likely to be opened yet again during the next 11 months. Bill and Hillary, please spare us from this.

Clinton's correct in saying that people know what they'll get if Hillary gets the nomination and wins the election. He just doesn't seem to understand that that realization is also why increasing numbers of Dem voters are choosing NOT to go down that road again.

Give it up "Otter" - it wasn't that great.

I'm 40 years old and haven't missed and vote in my life since I was 18. This idea that Obama's supporters somehow have a secret cabal where they run from website to website sounds a bit paranoid to me. Maybe the Obama supporters just outnumber the Hillary supporters on the web and it just looks like a herd. I Like Bill's analogy, but I have another one for him. If my wife is a surgeon and I'm very very involved in her practice does that mean I have the experience to perform surgery too? The experience of the Presidency comes from being the one who has to make those decisions. That experience isn't transferable to anyone; not the VP, First Lady or the most trusted advisors.

Ok, let's say you are choosing a doctor. Option 1 was an one of the smartest, most naturally gifted doctors out there, but had done most of his practicing outside of a big medical center and instead in the community. Option 2 was admitted to medical school only as a legacy and her (skilled) husband has been pulling her strings and guiding her every move and advancement in the progression helping compensate for her lack of natural ability.

Who would you choose?

The Obama people are too nice to make this argument, but with so many people voting for HIllary only because they think they are getting Bill Clinton's third term (44% in the recent NYT poll), it has to be pointed out that the man has a severe heart condition and while we all hope he will be around to pull the strings for Hillary indefinitely, what happens, if God Forbid, he is not. Would people really trust HIllary to run the country if Bill were not there?

And to commenters complaing that we Obama supporters comment in "herds" on blogs, let me tell you that we will be coming in herds to polling places as well. The fact that a mainstream cnadidate is able to elicit such passion in his supporters without polarizing others is the key reason why Obama is so much more electable than any other candidate in this field.

Found this:

Obama awarded "Person of the Year" award

I see more and more posts attacking Obama supporters as "kids", a "herd", etc. Let's talk about the candidates, not name-call their supporters. I'm 59 years old, voted for Bill Clinton and appreciate his service to our country. I've voted in every election since I was old enough to vote and never have donated money or worked for a candidate until now. Barack Obama inspired me at the 2004 Convention and continues to do so now. We must quit fighting the same baby-boomer battles (yes, I'm one and have fought them too) for the good of the country and the world. The real question is who after getting elected can actually lead us to accomplish what we must accomplish for our very survival? That person must include all Americans (Democrats, Republicans and Independants). I don't think someone who constantly vilifies Republicans will ever be able to lead them as President. I beleive most Americans want to get past these divisions and Senator Obama is the one who can do this.

The election of a President is always a roll of the dice, because the office changes each and every person who becomes President. The question is not whether we know in advance what any particular candidate will do; actions of any President will be in context (economy, terrorist activities, middle east troubles, etc.), and are by nature impossible to predict. As voters, we are asked to decide which candidate gives us the greatest sense of confidence that (s)he will be a true leader. As more and more people get to see and understand the true character of Ms. Clinton, they are finding they don't really have confidence in her---she simply does not seem to be Presidential material. She does not generate confidence, trust, or a clear sense of vision. The most profound message we get from the Clinton campaign is that she is a woman who desperately wants to be President---and will say or do whatever it takes. This is not what our nation needs, and voters are smart enough to intuitively steer away from such opportunistic types.

I see more and more posts attacking Obama supporters as "kids", a "herd", etc. Let's talk about the candidates, not name-call their supporters. I'm 59 years old, voted for Bill Clinton and appreciate his service to our country. I've voted in every election since I was old enough to vote and never have donated money or worked for a candidate until now. Barack Obama inspired me at the 2004 Convention and continues to do so now. We must quit fighting the same baby-boomer battles (yes, I'm one and have fought them too) for the good of the country and the world. The real question is who after getting elected can actually lead us to accomplish what we must accomplish for our very survival? That person must include all Americans (Democrats, Republicans and Independants). I don't think someone who constantly vilifies Republicans will ever be able to lead them as President. I beleive most Americans want to get past these divisions and Senator Obama is the one who can do this.


Posted by Phil | December 15, 2007 8:19 AM

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Obama can never win a National election, lets not kid ourselves, he does not have the experience, he is not Colin Powell, and sad but true the country is not yet willing to except a black president. That said, we must look to the candidate that "CAN" win, our country cannot afford another four years of a thug "out of control regime". This next president will probably appoint at least two supreme court justices, are we willing to risk putting these nonimation in the hands of the Republican party, I am not.

These are times unlike any I have seen in my 64 years, we must have a president that represents the people of this country, not the baptist church. We do not need someone quoting bible scriptures from the oval office, we need a thinker, we need experience, we need someone that will work for the least of us. I believe Hillary Clinton is the only candidate that can fill this need, I am not willing to except loss, I will vote for Hillary.

I will vote for the Democratic candidate and work my hardest for her or his election, I am hoping for Hillary, she gives us our best chance.

With due respect to Bill Clinton, I think its absurd for him to him to deride Mr Obama as having only one year in service.

For Clinton, serving in Illinois Senate doesnt amount to public service except Washington.

This is the same kind of old politics that americans decry. state your case and let others state theirs, trying to get to the white house at the destruction of the other is hurtful,,,

thats why Iowans have punished Mrs Clinton campaign very badly.

Latest Research 2000 polls out yesterday puts Obama at 33, Clinton 24 and Edwards 24.

Now Bill wants to play Smart by trying to appeal to Biden and Richardson voters. People have minds of their own, and should Biden or Richardson drop Obama will climb to 40s , QUOTE ME IN 24 days.

I would much rather vote for someone with a previous healthy sexual appetite, than someone with a previous healthy cocaine habit.

First of all, Bill Clinton's arrogance cost Al Gore the presidency. What the hell kind of leader is Bill Clinton?

Obama is a better leader than Bill Clinton let alone Hillary Clinton.

Obama has plenty of experience to be president of this country. Obama would defeat any republican handily.

The Clinton supporters say Obama supporters are a "herd". That's right to some extent. We are following a leader. Clinton can't even keep her campaign co-chairs under control. She can't even lead her own campaign, how is she going to lead this country?

This herd member understands Obama's policy views and Clinton's policy views. Obama is smarter - he has thoughtful, common sense approaches to problems. Clinton doesn't even address many issues that Obama has addressed in detail. Clinton has copied so much from Edwards and Obama there is very little to her except the fact that she started out as the best well known candidate and started with a huge lead in the polls everywhere. She is the least impressive of all the candidates in my view.

Oh, Bill. You're wife has one term as a senator as her experience... First Lady? That's not experience... that's a free pass. And before that? Nothing to write home about. If he thinks his wife is a better candidate, why can't he point to any valid reason for that. Instead he goes to her second weakest area, experience. Her weakest area -- trustworthyness. She ain't got any of that. D.

Dec 14, 2007
Rassmussen Poll Iowa

Clinton 29%
Obama 26%
Edwards 22%


Rasmussen may be the most repected of pollers

Dec 14, 2007
Fox News Poll New Hampshire

Clinton 34%
Obama 25%

Dec 14, 2007
CNN Poll South CArolina

Clinton 42%
Obama 34%


These polls speak for themselves, Hillary is still the candidate of choice.

And another thing.

George Bush has 7 years experience BEING PRESIDENT.

Is he more qualified to be president than Obama? If the answer is yes, then experience means very little to me in deciding who should be president.

I'll take the guy who will do what is right for the country over the more experienced person any day. That's not to say Obama shouldn't ask George Bush, Bill Clinton, or anyone else for their opinion, but I'll trust Obama's judgment and decision making skills over Bush/Clinton any day.

Phil -- I'm a decade older than you, old enough to vote for JFK. This election feels the same -- a fresh voice, a new generation taking charge, sweeping away the tired old men making tired old policy. Hillary (and sadly, Bill) feel tired in that same way. Obama is the fresh voice with a new perspective on what we stand for, and what we need to survive.

I watched most of Bill on Charlie Rose last night. He's a master at laying down a fabric of half-truths and outright lies, weaving them into his narrative with repeats, and making it look SO plausible.

The Clintons have touted polls since she first announced, making it sound like name recognition is an unbeatable lead. Now the early state voters have taken the measure of candidates up close and personal, and she's dying by the polls.

"One year" in national office is one year more than Bill Clinton ever had before he ran for president. He passed up running in 1988 for the obvious reason that the White House had a southern Democratic incumbent. C'mon, Bill. You used to make it less obvious.

At this point, it's anybody-but-Clinton for me, and I'm a woman. Obama, then Edwards, then Richardson (who has the most experience of them all), then Biden. Bring 'em on!

Mark will have to get used to the idea that Democrats generally pay rather more attention to the views of Bill Clinton than they do to those of Mark Ambinder. This is one of those chattering classes pieces that is going to have no impact in IA (what is the Atlantic's circulation in the state) and is only going to feed the appetite of Mark's audience of assorted anti Clintonistas. If you want the flavor read a few of these postings. The reason why I remain convinced Clinton will ultimately get the nomination is this very issue of experience and leadership. All those anti Clinton folks in love with the shaky polls from IA should take a look at some of the fundamentals of these national polls where they ask all sorts of more detailed questions about how you rate the candidates on policy issues like managing the economy and Iraq, or attributes like electability or experience. Obama's numbers in these areas are not just weak they are positively anaemic. They are mainly in the teens and low twenties. She by contrast scores in the sixties and seventies. This is not just a gap it's a chasm and ultimately it is going to tell once voters get in the booth. Despite the media pile ons of the past few weeks fuelled either by the desire for a horserace or just plain malignance it isn't going to change the outcome.

Why can't Bill Clinton shut up? He yaps and yaps and yaps.

What the yapping Bill Clinton can't wrap his brain around is the fact that the American people are weary of the Bush/Clinton dynasty.

Bush: Clinton: Clinton: Bush: and Bush. The American people do not -- I repeat, DO NOT, want to elect another Clinton as president. These two families treat the presidncy as if it's the family business.

It's not.

The Bush and Clintons have tied up the presidency since 1988 and it must stop.

Americans want change. American are desperate for a new voice and a fresh face and that person is Barack Obama.

In the meantime, please President Clinton: STFU!

Kind of like when we "rolled the dice" and voted for YOU, Bill, who had no foreign policy experience and who'd only been governor of a small southern state? I am disliking the Hillary campaign more and more. If she gets the nod, I think, for the first time in my life, I will not vote. Bill was a pretty good president, and I worked on his campaigns, but there was a lot about their personal lives [apart from his loose zipper] that I did not like about the two of them. And they keep reminding me of those things on her campaign trail. Zip it, Bill, and this time I mean your mouth.

As a loyal Democrat, I am seeing the dark side of Bill everyone talked about all those years and it is not pretty.

Hillary is all of Bill's calculation and triangulation and none of his political talent. She is the embodiment of his superego. Man, these people just need to go away.

No matter how bad Bush has been, their era is long since over. We cannot travel back in time, people!

Obama is only a rerun of Jesse Jackson and /or Al Sharpton with a little more OOOMPRAH in his campaign. Who wants to spend four years with a whitehouse situated in Jenna? If that is what you want then Obama is your best choice.

Anything Clintonis such a big draw because he was the most liked, most effective, and best POTUS we've had for many years.

But I see some of the surprise and hope and new way of looking at things that Bill Clinton brought to the office that I see in Obama..

I am voting for Obama in the primary, and I will support whatever Democrat wins the primary. I don't want the democrats handing the republicans slime to use against whichever democrat wins...

I like to think the republicans have learned a hard lesson, but I don't dare take it for granted that they are ready to be the loyal opposition rather than General Sherman. Any republican, and that includes Rush Limbaugh, and the RIC web page, and the Freedom's Watch slimy page that says democrats are cut and run, that disparages democrats needs to leave the country.

Maybe Mr. Bill had better do what Bill Shaheen did in NH (i.e. sit down and shut up). It's no wonder he never once got a majority of the popular vote. Folks, we've got serious "Clinton Fatigue".

Fact check! Hillary has less experience in elective office than any other Democratic candidate save John Edwards. 6+ years period. First Ladies normally do not set or promote policy. Mr. Bill gave her one job, and that bombed (health care), giving us "Harry & Louise". Now she's touting another mandated health plan a la Mitt Romney's Massachusetts one that a couple of hundred thousand have opted out of. "Harry & Louise II"? Count on it!

Hillary says she has no surprises. Hopefully, for one once in her life, she is telling the absolute truth. We don't need any more, we've seen enough. Whitewater, Madison Guarantee, Rose Law Firm billing for hours she didn't work, Vince Foster, the MacDougals, Webster Hubble, Monica, Gennifer, Paula. Let me end this now as we all know the rest of the sordid details.

If we want to tout exposure to the "Beltway Madness" as a qualification to be President then let's run Cheney and Rumsfeld. They've been D.C. power brokers since Richard Nixon's first term! Forget that kind of experience. Fast forward to 2001 onward. Hillary gave Bush a blank check on Iraq and Iran (where's the nuculear weapons program Hillary?), she gives us Norman Hsu, the Chinese dishwashers and her Mississippi fund raiser by good friend, and Trent Lott's brother-in-law, Dickie Scruggs, gets cancelled because Scruggs gets hit with a supoena asking why he tried to bribe a judge. Add Bill Shaheen and the "fun part" begins. My question is "How low is too low?" Give us Obama, Biden, Edwards et al. or even Mc Cain, but those who forget the past are destined to repeat it. How dumb do both Clintons think we are?

Working in the state legislature (especialy Illinois) does not provide you experience to be President. It does provide you opportunity to be part of the IL/Chicago machine. It teaches you how to deal with politics as usual. It does not give you internatinal and national experience. Clearly Obama supporters do not comprehend the levity of natinal politics and international politics. Obama will be eaten alive, will be a punching bag for republicans and in turn willnot be able to bring America back into a role of world leader.

I ask my democratic friends and I ask readers: In four years to you want a republican President and Congress? If no then please do not vote for Obama.

Think future, think big picture. OPRAH? I think the Oprah smirk said it all.

Trust me: You do not want the Illinois machine to make it to DC.

SO many of you folks are angry with Senator Clinton,for heavens sake ,GIVE it UP!!!!
IN my very humble opinion she is the only one of all the Democratic candidates who can actually beat back all of those Rovian tactics that will surely
be thrown at any of our choices.
She is the only one I see as being not ony the most capable,but also our last best hope of returning our
country to it's Democratic principles.
I AM AN FDR DEMOCRAT!!!!
HILLARY IN 08

UNBELIEVABLE! Just unbelievable. If this kind of politics that Bill Clinton displayed is what America is going to go through again for another 4 years, then I'm ready to commit suicide to show my protest.

Isn't it bad enough that by endorsing dynasticism, America would be in no position to advice dictatorship regimes?

Can't Bill Clinton see that, regardless of Ms. Clinton's qualification or Democrats' fondness of the Clintons, Republicans AND the America people in general have a solid case against her?

Barach Obama would make a wonderful high school backetball coach, with his lofty rhetoric that propelled him into the forefront at the last Demorcratic Convention.

He is, however, no John Kennedy, and the Republicans are licking their chops for the kill should he get the nomination.

His color, his inexperience,his demeanor and admitted drug use will make him unelectable.

Hillary Clinton never took drugs in high school, but was busy preparing for a career in public service, and now she is seeking the prize she
so richly deserves..the first woman President in our history.

What has she done in her life? You that ridicule her have only to go to her website and read her accomplishments. Her resume is breathtaking!

Real wordly experience as first lady, and the
the ability to face the terrible problems left by the current administration are what she possesses.

We do not need a person with rock star mentality
in charge.

We have terrible challenges to meet with the horrible economy, the Iraq war, Iran with the atomic bomb, etc., etc. and the thought that a Republican could win because of Obama's inexperience and non-electibility is a nightmare!

Hillary is tough, experienced, and well known and admired all over the world, and she has the ability to bring people together.

Grandma

The Clinton supporting posters are a mean bunch, aren't they?

Yes, Bill's analogy was a really bad one. Obama is not a plumber who wants to do the job of a doctor. He is an experienced politician who wants the job of president of the US, just like Hillary. There are legitimate things to criticize about Obama's positions (he should take heed of Krugman's criticisms for example), but this lack of experience jab is nonsense, especially coming from Hillary.

Also, he should just admit that bringing up what Obama wrote in kindergarden was just plain silly. Yeah, the press and everyone else was on Obama's side on that one. Deservedly so. Hey, ain't it great that he could dream that he might be president one day? I'd like to think Hillary had the same dream when she was a child. Maybe because of her campaign young girls will have that dream now.

The experimentation with drug use issue is also a nonstarter. (The guy above who falsely called it a "habit" is a prime example of the mean bunch I referred to.) Except for a small number of pious fools out there, no one cares. I'm convinced that Obama will handle any and all questions about that issue in a forthright manner.

I'll take any of the Democrats over any of the sad sacks that the other side has to offer. If I were a Republican, I'd be embarrassed. Please, Democrats, don't embarrass yourselves with pettiness.

The U.S. presidential election is about 12 months away. Many important things could happen between now and then, but as citizens responsible for choosing our leader we need to start solidifying our opinions of the current contenders.

Following is a forthright summary of one of the current major candidates to lead our country.

Hillary Clinton is the frontrunner, and she will likely win the democratic nomination, if she can avoid self destructing in the meantime.

Her notoriety derives from her marriage to Bill Clinton, the two-term U.S. president, Arkansas governor, and arrogant, immoral, lying criminal and sexual predator. Irrefutable facts justify all elements of this description.

He lied to all of us during a televised White House press conference in January 1998, saying “Now, I have to go back to work on my State of the Union speech. And I worked on it until pretty late last night. But I want to say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to work for the American people.”

In my opinion, these few sentences uttered by our commander-in-chief say a lot about him personally and even more about the Clinton style of politics, of which Hillary is part and parcel. The beginning and ending of his statement are clearly intended to emphasize how important he is and garner sympathy from his audience, and the middle part is an outright lie presented with feigned righteousness. He was later charged with perjury and obstruction of justice and impeached by the House of Representatives.

In addition to this and many more examples of Clinton debauchery, I personally know a woman who had sex with Bill in a closet at a Little Rock TV station in the early 1980s while he was governor of Arkansas and married to Hillary. His philandering nature was well-known in the capital city, and it is quite improbable that Hillary did not know about it also.

I think Hillary is technically smart enough to be a leader of people. She is an educated lawyer. All of my doubts about her qualifications to lead my country stem from her lack of applicable experience, raw ambition to obtain and exercise power, which is greed , and deceitful politics. In my opinion, these characteristics are enough to disqualify her as a viable leader of the free world, even if she proposed to have some great solutions to the world’s problems, which she does not have, or at least has not articulated. Does the world need another incompetent, greedy liar in a position of power?

While I believe serving as First Lady for eight years is great experience that few living people can claim, it does not qualify one to be a senator or president. I think a prerequisite for a senator is a strong legislative track record in the service of constituents and a viable presidential candidate needs to have demonstrated good executive-level judgment and leadership that voters can count on as heady issues are addressed. Hillary has none of this.

Without Bill, Hillary would be completely unknown on the world stage. She leveraged this relationship in a calculating manner to become a NY senator, even though she never lived there before. This was clearly intended to be a stepping stone in her path to run for the presidency. Can anyone doubt that she is driven by sheer ambition to obtain power?

She accused her husband’s political enemies of a “vast right-wing conspiracy” following the Lewinsky scandal. She later said that she had been misled by her husband’s claims that no affair had taken place. Let’s face facts here. Hillary’s persona is not a simple “stand by your man” woman as her arguments imply. Bill had been committing adultery regularly for at least 15 years prior, and if Hillary was not aware of it, then how can she expect us to believe that she can grasp the essence of the more complicated matters that face the nation and world? Her whole position on the affair can only demonstrate incredible ignorance or calculated deceit, neither of which is acceptable of a leader.

It is clearly unreasonable for us to expect anyone to be morally flawless. However, in my opinion, Hillary Clinton misses this mark by such a wide margin that she should be disqualified from even being considered as the leader of our country.

There are numerous incidents in Hillary’s past that bolster this ForthRightView. One has only to do a simple internet search to find them. What more do we need to know?

Looking through the comments, and you see the rub with Ms. Clinton. Repeating over and over that she is experienced, it just doesn't make it so. The Clinton's and their cheerleaders in the press, continue to shower us with the message that Ms. Clinton has the "knowledge to get to work on day one." The question that nobody for her campaign can answer Hillar y included is 1) What has she ever done? and 2) What will she do?

Ms. Clinton is a medicore Senator with 7 years in the Senate, hardly a place where you get any excutive experience. Her voting record is a demonstration in conflict. She votes for the war, against the way, for, against. She has never taken a principled stand, always choosing the popular one instead.

Hillary Clinton expected a coronation when she started her run for the Presidency. The people though are starting to understand that one of the least of her skill sets is her experience.

Perhaps Carolyn Washburn of the Des Moines Register can endorse Hillary today? That
would be a huge shock from the large Caboose,
all feminist Editorial Board of the Register.
Washburn did her part in the Republican debate
Wednesday. Gannett was wise to send Washburn out
to the Hinterlands of Iowa a year ago to prepare
the landscape for the Socialists. Sadly for her,
Iowans are not as stupid as the East Coast media and the Clintons had expected. Even putting former Iowa Governor Vilsack (Nutsack) on the payroll isnt helping mega caboose Hillary in the polls.

Lots of angry Democrats out there? Exactly what are you angry about? Is it that we freed Iraq from an insane despot sitting on the second largest oil reserves in the world? Oil reserves that could be used to finance his evil plans. How about having Libya give up its WMD program without a shot being fired? What about Iran apparently giving up its nuclear weapons programs shortly after we invade Iraq? Coincidence? How about no domestic terror attacks since 9/11? Do you idiots think this is just good luck?

How about the fact that most people rate their own economic situation as better than 7 years ago? That is the fact of the polls. Just because the liberal media makes people think OTHER people aren't doing well, doesn't make it the truth. If most people consider their own situation better, isn't that a better test?

Admit it, you angry Democrats, you just hate Bush for preventing Gore's attempt to steal the 2000 election. Only one candidate ever won the majority of the Florida votes, and that was Bush. Gore's strategy was to selectively recount until he won, and the Supreme Court was justified in stopping it. When the newspaper consortium did their own recount later, Bush still won. Don't hear that repeated much in the liberal media, do you?

You angry Democrats are so blinded by hatred, you make fools of yourselves. Remember how you viewed the Clinton haters of the 1990's. Remember the way you thought they were a bunch of idiots. Well, that is exactly what you look like now. Enjoy it.

Typical Clinton! It always the medias fault, they haven't been fair or their is a conspiracy against them. Catch where he said that if she can get the nomination she will win the general election "handily." He is trying to get Dems to vote for her with the idea that the GOP can't win if she is the nominee. Astounding!

These people are shameless and morally bankrupt. Unfortunately so is Edwards and Obama is intellectually inept. Dems should vote Biden or Richardson instead of one of the three stooges.

We need Hillary in the white house, because that will put Bill back in the white house. Given time, a new bimbo erruption will occur.

Our late night comedians need the material.

Save comedy - put Bill back in the white house.

I am an independent and have watched all of the debates. I cannot understand why the Democratic party has not brought Joe Biden forward. He has ALL of the qualities that the three front runners are claiming for theirselves. It seems that the party just doesn't care about people who have been in the trenches their whole life fighting for their country and party. He is presidential and has more knowledge and experience in his little finger than any of the front runners.

What "Rovian" tactics? I think that if Democrats ever stop inventing, then whining about Republican dirty tricks, the world will tip over. It's almost funny. Being lectured by Democrats about corruption is like being scolded for anti-semitism by Hitler.

Hillary and Obama are both nitwits. Both use nothing but long discredtied, warmed-over sixties hippy rhetoric. The entire demcat party hasn't had a new idea since the sixties...and those ideas were all bad. The Democrats never met a leftist dictator they couldn't cozy up to. They never met a minority population they couldn't lock into economic oblivion with handouts. They never met a grievance they couldn't turn into a class envy pity party. The never met an enhancement to social or economic mobility they couldn't stymie. They never met an America-hating kook they couldn't embrace.

Every president we have ever elected to a first term has had zero experience at being president.

Drinking water won't make you a good plumber.
Eating food won't make you a good chef.

I have two observations RE: Hllary Clinton.
#1) I don't think being married to Bill Gates makes Melinda Gates qualified to run Microsoft. I don't think my mechanic's wife is necessary qualified to work on my car. And, I don't think being married to Bill is any qualification for Hill. He tried to hand her some responsibility early on (health care) and she proved to be overreaching and politically tone deaf. Even Clinton supporters are distressed by how quikly, easily, and naturally they lie.

#2)If you were a corporate recruiter and you had to fill the job of CEO of the largest organization on planet earth would you even accept her resume'? NO! There is nothing in her past that in any way qualifies her for the job, or gives me any hope that she would be competent in it if elected.

Soon after the 1992 election I remember reading an interview with Hillary in Newsweek in which she was quoted as saying (paraphrasing), "None of what you say really matters if you don't get elected." I knew then that we were in trouble. That is as much as admitting publicly that they would say or do ANYTHING in order to get elected. That whatever promises they made in the campaign were not to be trusted. Just once, I think the American people should try to elect someone who is fundamentally honest.

He is lowering expectations so her loss in Iowa will not kill her chances. If she comes close he will call it a victory....

Dear Barack:
I know what happens when the Clintons are threatened. Better stay away from parks.

Hillary got where she is thanks to her Bill's coat tails.

Obama got to where he is today *ON HIS OWN*!

I'm a Republican so I won't vote for either one of them but if I were a Dem, I'd choose Obama over Hillary based on that alone.

People who'd vote for Hillary want Bill in there just as much as her.

At least Obama can stand on his own two feet.

I would NEVER vote for OBAMA..i am not thrilled with Hillary but i KNOW she is more QUALIFIED to be president..I dont need OPRAH to go out talking about how how Obama needs to be elected..Maybe if she focused more attention at her school in africa i wouldnt be hearing about arrests AND police investigations there. BOTTOM LINE: Didnt we learn ANYTHING from inexperience with BUSH? I will listen to Bill Clintons endorsement over Oprahs ANYDAY...

They talk it up when they are running but, once they are elected they find the Presidents job all not that great. No one is experiaced for that position neither was Bill and certainly not Hillary.

Maybe we need someone like Obama in this position young and not tied to Washington like the Clintons.

I think we should say having the CLINTONS in office is playing Russian Roulette. Lets see here. He had numerous affairs, bombed two countries during the Lewinski hearing (same day) .. Two more countries on the same day as his impeachment trial... One other country was bombed the day of Columbine.. He murdered people in WACO,TX.. His advisor stole documents from the national archive the day before the 9-11 hearings. He sold nuclear missile tech to China. Hillary won't release her minutes from Clinton library. Her best friend is dead. I could go on all day long but unfortunately must go eat now cheers

DAN---yeah...THATS what i want in a president..Someone young and underqualified..Why not just lower the age requirements and let eighteen year olds run?..SHEESH..

Polls are important, but what's most important is the trend line of polling. Polls tell you where the electorate is if the election were held today. The trend tells you the likely tally at some point in time, ie election day. Just as an economic forcast, when your numbers are trending downward, you've got problems. Every campaign polls privately and see the same thing. At the rate the Clinton campaign is trending downward, she's in trouble; there is no one who knows politics that says for sure that Hillary Clinton is inevitable. Just like a business that is currently profitable but losing sales to a rival, she needs a turn around to win.

As far as Obama not being electable; can anyone envision the voter who would not vote for Obama because he is black but would have voted for Hillary if she were the nominee? I'm sure there's a handful, but I wouldn't count them in the thousands. What would be the thought process of such a person be. "I hate blacks but that Hillary Clinton is just ducky." Now, think of the voter that wouldn't vote for Hillary but would Obama. Much larger pool of voters.
This canard that Hillary is more electable than Obama is pure bull. If anything, its the otherway around.

Maybe, just maybe, the rest of the Democratic voting block see what the Clinton's apparently do not. HILLARY CAN NOT WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION! Old Billy is just as polarizing to the country as "W" and both Democratic (and Republican) voters are sick and tired of such candidates. Besides, the Clinton's already had eight years themselves in the White House to create this "utopian" society they're promising to the American people if Hillary is elected, but all we got in return from those eight years was a handful of poop and Dubya.

Come on, are you guys seriously suggesting that Hillary Clinton's role in her husbands campaigns, governorship, and presidency don't matter as experience. That is completely ridiculous, it's like saying that a Chief of Staff doesn't have any experience and shouldn't run.

As for Obama, has anyone with less experience ever been a leading contender for president?

Someone in the media said that Bill Clinton was "our first black president". He did not disagree.

I dismissed this as political pandering until I witnessed him in Iowa PIMPING FOR HILLARY! The only thing missing is the over-sized hat and the Cadillac!

CONCERNED--I will take a cheating over DRUGS ANYDAY..sounds like we have a RUSH fan posting..

Clinton voted for the Iraq War without reading the National Intelligecne Estimate. She went onto the Senate floor and stated Saddam had harbored Al Qaeda Terrorist (false claim) She voted for the Iran Resolution that could have paved the way for Bush to go to war with Iran.
Bill Clinton is a serial adulterer and alleged rapist. He lied to the American people about Monica Lewisnsky affair. they both are polarizing figures and can't be trusted. Their word is meaningless. They are power hungry people that care more about attaining power than doing what is right for our Country.

The Democratic nominees with the most national & international experience with proven competence are trailing Hillary & Obama big time. Feminists are excited about Hillary and blacks are excited about Obama. That's fine, but now lets get serious and nominate a candidate that can win the Presidential election, because neither of those two can.

If Obama wins will Oprah be in his cabinet?..Gosh knows she SHE is more qualified than he probably is..Personally i think she has a THING for him..watch out MICHELLE, maybe you should be thinking about THAT..

Hillary represents change?!! That is a good one Bill.
Clinton is the least electable of the democrats. She has the highest negatives (50% of americans say the would not vote for her), she would galvinzied the evagenlicals, and she cannot win independent voters. The Republicans want Hillary to win as much as we would wnat Hucabee to win.
I remind you JFK had little experience before he became President. The main thing a President has to do is surround himself with good peoplet hat offer good advice. Clinton definitely did not do that when she managed to voter for the Iraq War and Iran Resolution.

Joe Biden is a man who can reach across the aisle and bring the country together. The man knows both foreign and domestic policy. If Democrats want real experience, Biden is the man. Justifiably or not, HRC and BO will create antimosity from 50% of the country. With a man like Biden in the White House, we an forget the name calling and start getting things done.

JOSE LOPEZ..do all mexicans feel this way?

RON-sounds like you are just another Clinton apologist. When Bill was in office, even the lib God, Jimmy Carter said, "we must distance our party from Bill Clinton." Since then the media has made him into some kind of God, and you good little dhimmicrats just ate it out of their hands and forgot about those 8 years. Hey the libs live in a dream world, who are the rest of us to demand they wake up?

We can argue all day about whether Hillary has real experience nor not, but the bottom line is that all the experience in the world is useless if you lack judgment and political courage.

As for judgement, she displayed awful judgement in the two big tests of her career: health care and Iraq. And if you want to look for recent examples of her poor judgement, just look at how she has run her campaign over the past 2 months: flip-flopping, planting questions, engaging in personal attacks that are backfiring, playing the gender card, playing the swift boat card, failing to keep Bill clinton on message, seriously damaging her standing with black voters by insinuting Obama was ever a drig dealer, etc, etc. Every day HIllary's campaign gives us prime example that for all her so-called experience, she can't even run a competant campaign against very mild pressure from democratic challengers compared to what she will face from the republicans. Counter to stale, conventional thinking, it is Hillary who is not up to going against the republican attack machine anymore. Are we going to out this tone-deaf, dysfunctional, infighting Hillary campaign up against the republicans? On the other hand, Obama has shown cool against everything the vaunted clinton machine has thrown at him. If the Clinton's can't take Obama down, no Republican will be able to either.

As for political courage, her Iraq war vote says it all. She had the experience to know it was an unwise war, she just lacked the political courage to say anything about it and thousands of soldiers died unecessarily as a result. That is not leadership, my friends. You know, calculartion and triangulation were kind of cute in the 90's when it did not seem like we had any real problems. This is just not the moment in history for a Clinton restoration.

As a hated repug, all I can say is "thanks." All of this, from BC's almost incoherent meanderings to the virulent comments, are delightful reading to me. Laughed out loud for several minutes.

CONCERNED---ANOTHER BIBLE THUMPER who wants to cram religion down everyones throat...what exactly do you NOT understand about the separation of church and state...PS--hows that nice married SEN CRAIG doing?...isnt he doing a HECK OF A JOB?...all religious zealots are really sinners, sometimes in BATHROOMS, and can go straight to hell as far as im concerned..

Alright, I will admit, I am a conservative. However there are a couple that I WOULD NOT vote for if they ran against certain democrats. For instance the ONLY democrat I would consider voting for is BIDEN. I think he could get the country closer. I would vote BIDEN over Huckabee anyday.

i dont mean to be crass...but i would choose a bj over drugs anyday..

RON-well that was mature. Now where did I mention religion in any of my posts. You have made it very clear what type of "person" I am speaking with. Say hello to your parents when you get out of bed and leave the basement.

Let me get this straight...

A former President endorses his, um... Wife. To be President. And Democrats are supposed to take this objective advice into due consideration as we decide who to caucus for.

Because Bill Clinton, that font of candor, has endorsed her. Over her chief rival.

Is Obama perfect? no.

Did he get to where he is on his own merits and qualifications. yes.

If we wanted dynasties in this country, we should have installed a monarchy instead.

Obama '08.


democrats want to raise taxes on "big corporations" -this will put big corporations like my deli out of business. no, the law does not distinguish between big and small corporations. I will never vote democrat until they are satisfied with the already absurd taxes I pay them.

they can rot.

This is funny, the Right wing bible swingers and the Left wing Obama loonies have joined together to throw stones at Hillary, the only qualified candidate in the '08 presidential election. This just goes to prove, this country is more than half-way to hell in that proverbial handbasket.

CONCERNED---I KNEW all these HILLARY AND BILL BASHERS were REPUBLICANS..they are scared of the clintons..Thanks for your honesty and admiting your gop affiliation...PS--is it true in washington GOP stands for GAY OLD PARTY?

Democrats,

View this video and then tell me if all of these Americans are liars. Deep in your heart do you really believe everyone is lying EXCEPT Bill and Hill?

I'm betting most of you are too closed-minded to watch it; then again, perhaps thats exactly why your democrats in the first place.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EJpRnvSGr7k

I'm tired of the ignorance of the bloggers. If you don't like Hillary then please name specifics that make her different than Obama? How different are their policies? Why are you supporting Obama other than misplaced hatred for a women? Please don't tell me it has nothing to do with her being a woman, we are a very sexist nation. Sexism is rampant Global problem. I don't care who you like or don't like but have the intelligence to give detail on specific policy decisions which seperate them. We just can't afford the ignorance anymore in this country, we need to reflect the values we want to see in our leaders regardless of which candidates we support and we certainly need to be reasonable, fair and educated electorate. I just don't see a lot of policy difference between either of them and as far as articuling their position I think Hillary does the better job. If Dodd, Kucinish had a chance or Gore was ruuning I think they would be the better choince. Quite frankly if we were really to send a message and vote in our own self interest we would nominate Kucinich, tell me why people just don't support him in the number to get him or someone like him the nomination?

Good post Brad I agree 100%.

Ghonarhea makes ya go insane after a while!

How come no mention of the fact that both Hillary and Bill are involved as defendants in a civil lawsuit?

How come no mention of a 5 minute videotape of her that shows the likely commission of multiple felonies?

Perhaps one reason Hillary is doing so poorly in Iowa is because the plaintiff in that lawsuit appeared on afternoon drive with Steve Deace on WHO in Des Moines for over an hour and a half on December 3rd??

Check out the interview right here...
http://www.benbarrack.com/show_archives.html

If Hillary is 'the most gifted person" on the planet as Bill said the other day, why does she constantly need Bill to come to her defense. Will she trot out Bill every time her presidency appears in peril? Will Bill be pulling the strings? Also, if experience is so important, shouldn't we be supporting Biden or Dodd who have much more experience than Hillary or Obama or Edwards? We didn't elect Bill because he was the most experienced but because he had the most charismatic personality.

BEWARE...all these negative posts are from REPULICANS..they dont want Hillary in the general election..Republicans like the Sen Craigs, or DEMS like the "i gotta crush on you" OPRAH..

Ron if you choose to address me please do so in a civilized manner. It appears that you have an infatuation with homosexuality, seeing you have mentioned it in your last two posts without any other mention of that topic by me or anyone else. Is it true Bill Clinton is black? For anyone else. Please name me what qualifies the HILLdabeast to be president... Please I want examples. RON-time to move out of your parents basement son.

I'm a Democrat that remained loyal to the Clintons through some pretty thick crap for over eight years in the 1990s(remember the year of parading bimbos leading up the nomination in 1992)but Bill's "Ragin' Cajun" imitation is painful to watch. The fact is, Bill's laser-like political skills could only fetch a little over 40% of the popular vote. I hate to admit it, but Perot's pressence was pivotal in preventing a Repuke sweep. All campaign cycles can get rough, but I won't make lame references to Obama as the next JFK, if the Clinton backers stop with the lame FDR references.

How many legacies are the Clintonites willing to soil in their attempts to continue this unnecessary Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton hamster wheel?

Hunt

I never thought I'd see the day when Bill Clinton's support would turn into a political liability, but that day has arrived. He clearly has a difficult time ceding the limelight to anyone. In the Rose interview, for example, he starts talking about the necessity of political experience but then goes on to tout his own AIDS program.

Most annoying to me is his "I told you so" attitude (always after the fact). First he says that he never supported the invasion of Iraq. (Now he tells us.) Next he says that he always knew that the Iowa primary would be Hillary's biggest challenge. Armed with his unique predictive powers, I'm sure a year from now he'll tell us that he "always knew" that President [Obama][Edwards][Clinton] would win, and he'll tell us exactly why. Yawn.

At this point in his wife's wobbling campaign, Bill Clinton would be better off emulating Dennis Thatcher: nodding, smiling and not talking at all. Clinton is in danger of spoiling his own political legacy if he doesn't.

CONCERNED44--Its not homosexuality that bothers me..ITS the hypocrisy...i guess you missed the point..didnt know i had to spell it out..

Hillary and Obama are one and the same. In contrast, Dr Ron Paul is genuine, not a flip flopper, he has integrity and cares about the Constitution and the American people. This is the nature of his campaign: Freedom! Independence! Liberty! See the following:
ronpaulblimp.com
ronpaulgraphs.com
ronpaulforum.com
ronpaulnation.com
dailypaul.com
fiveforfreedom.com
RonPaul2008.com

CONCERNED44...before you start talking about "civilized manners" maybe you should drop the hillabeast remarks..thanks..MORON

ron paul would like to take a women's right to choose away and hand that fate to the states. if it were not for that fact and a mistrust for all republican i think many on the other side might give him a chance but then he would have to win the nomination and the republicans are no way going to allow that to happen.

Things I want to know before voting for Mr Obama;

1. Mr Obama when did you last use Cocaine.

2. How old were you when you first used Cocaine.

3. How many times did you use Cocaine, if years give number of years.

4. From whom did you purchase your Cocaine.

5. Where did you get your money for the Cocaine.

6. How old were you when you stopped using Cocaine.

7. Did you ever sell Cocaine, or buy Cocaine for anyone else.

No one runing for the most important office in the world should be exempt for explaining their use of an illigal substances, that would include all presidential candidates.

I'm tired of the ignorance of the bloggers. If you don't like Obama then please name specifics that make him different than Hillary? How different are their policies? Why are you supporting Hillary other than misplaced hatred for blacks? Please don't tell me it has nothing to do with him being black, we are a very racist nation. Racism is rampant Global problem. I don't care who you like or don't like but have the intelligence to give detail on specific policy decisions which seperate them. We just can't afford the ignorance anymore in this country, we need to reflect the values we want to see in our leaders regardless of which candidates we support and we certainly need to be reasonable, fair and educated electorate. I just don't see a lot of policy difference between either of them and as far as articuling their position I think Obama does the better job. If Dodd, Kucinish had a chance or Gore was ruuning I think they would be the better choince. Quite frankly if we were really to send a message and vote in our own self interest we would nominate Kucinich, tell me why people just don't support him in the number to get him or someone like him the nomination?

By the way, I'm a lifelong Democrat (more than Hillary can say) and resent the implication that if you don't plan to vote for Hillary and your vocal about it, you're somehow a Republican in disguise.

Embarrassing. He's making Bush look presidential and intelligent.

I note that he's pushing Edwards. Thats what we'll see in the media the next couple weeks: an effort to help Edwards, the guy with the most divisive, low-brow message of all, even worse than the immigrant-bashing on the Republican side. The idea is for Obama not to win. Edwards is no threat to Hillary Clinton; the big money can take him out any time. A vote for Edwards is a vote for Clinton.

Mario is a Clinton troll

The media has kept HRC's lying, strongarming, cheating,treasonous, and murderous past out of the media and we should feel bad why?

There is a trial set to start in California about 5 million dollars in illigal campaign contributions. Media responce...chirp chirp chirp

Charlie Rose better becareful...people that piss off the Clintons have an astonishing way of ending dead of "suicide".

PS my post above was in response to marie | 10:03 AM

Gee, after reading most of the comments all I can say is "Boy there are a lot of fools, fanantics and true believers" on this board. Each and everyone of them will follow Hillary straight to Hell if she asks. And that is exactly where she will take them if she gets the nod.

Just an obseration, but Hillary's most experience has been in running an attack machine to keep her husband in power and beyond the reach of the law. A really great resume.

mario,

although i'm not an obama supporter i think it's wrong to bring up experimental drug youth in someones youth. i would hope we all would grow up and could care less if someone used drugs when they were young. as long as they are not using drugs now and besides i don't recall bush ever explaining any of this?

Even the democratic party chairman of the state of Wyoming had this to say about the 2004 Obama speech that catapulted Obama's popularity:

"Wow he sounds just like a REPUBLICAN, Obama should be PRESIDENT"!

The Wyoming chairman was not alone in the thought that Obama sounded just like a republican. Oprah did say that she has voted for both republicans and democrats, so I can see where she is coming from in her adoration for Obama - he is more republican than democrat. Just like Joe lieberman "if you (he) can't beat them join them".

The only thing Hillary has accomplished is staying with Bill. She has done absolutely nothing else!!!!

I am an independent voter. Never voted for Bush 2.
Did vote for Clinton twice,Bush 1 and Reagan. Point is I try to vote for a candidate who Made it on their Own. Not by virture of being in dynasty family...Therefore all the candidates on both sides EXCEPT HRC quailify for my consideration. We as voters should never vote for people because of their last name only. HRC woild be a just a very rich NYC womann charity person if she was not a Clinton. America did that with Bush 2 and we all know the results...My God people HRC does not have any creditionals beside her ??? marriage to Bill Clinton. Please vote for an intelligent person with 21st century views, not tied to the past. Do not make the election Like Bill Murry's "GroundHog" movie. The country and the world just can not take reruns in the Presidency. Fred Akel

You cannot on one hand tout Hillary's experience and then on the other hand block the release of her communications as First Lady. Garbage.

Bill's rambling, face reddened, hand shaking interview indicates what many who don't support Hillary believe to be true...the Clinton's feel ENTITLED to the White House.

It would be interesting to parse Bill Clinton's body language. Toward the end of the interview, his hands began to shake and his face "reddened," as he described the "political thicket" his wife is now in. That is the body language of anger, which often stems from fear. And, for those who remember Bill Clinton's presidency, we've seen this body language before, and it generally surfaced when he was lying.

But why is Bill Clinton afraid? Does his fear stem from his devotion to his wife? Hardly. Every speech Bill Clinton gives--theoretically on behalf of his wife--is riddled with "I's" and stories of HIS experience rather than that of his wife's. Bill is afraid of not getting another shot at the White House. His wife is merely the means to an end. Bill is all about Bill and unfornately, Hillary follows suit.

There is something strange about Clinton's interview. It's rambling, incoherent and paranoid.

His defense of Hillary is there, but it's weak. He says much more positive things about her opponents, Edwards in particular.

It's as though Clinton can't get his thoughts focused and is trying to say several things at once, and getting confused in the process. And the physical shaking of his hands at the end? What's going on with this guy?

What the heck is Bill Clinton talking about? He talks about Hillary’s experience,
What experience??? Bill Clinton talks like the press has not been fair to Hillary, he
is crazy! The Clintons have always had the press on their side. When have you ever
seen the press asked Hillary for clarification on any of her positions. Hillary makes
A statement and the press just gives her a free pass, no follow up questions at all.

The bottom line is Hillary is in trouble because she tries to be on every side of every
issue depending on who she is talking to. Remember Hillary voted to use force
against Iraq and even Bill Clinton said he supported Bush’s decision to go to
war with Iraq at the time, now Bill says he never supported the war with Iraq and Hillary
says she was misled by Bush. These people think that none of their past statements are a matter of public record? Well they are! The Clintons are the most arrogant and dishonest
people in politics, they still believe that if that say something enough even if it’s not true people are stupid enough to believe it anyway. Just look at this whole thing with Obama’s drug use that the Clinton camp released in the past few days, Hillary says that she does not support it and didn’t know about it before it’s release. Come on this woman is a control freak, she is not only in control but knows everything that is going on in her campaign. Hillary is dropping like a rock in the polls because she is not honest about anything and will give a straight answer on any of the issues.

If you want change than we don’t need the Clintons!

Ron,

Full disclosure from a "negative poster":

Have I ever in my life voted for a Republican?

No.

Why am I "negative"?

Because we as a party need to get beyond this ridiculous Clinton dynasty ploy if we are to be a viable party in the future. What's good for the Clintons is not necessarily good for the Democratic Party. Bill Clinton was a good (not great) President. He looks much better by comparison to the current occupant, but that is damning him with faint praise.

Hillary Clinton is his wife. Good for her. As first ladies go, she was no Eleanor Roosevelt, but I guess she was alright. She set the cause of national healthcare back 20 years with her arrogant and tone deaf approach, but I guess she was OK other than that.

But enough is enough. Maybe its unfair, but I'm as sick of Hillary Clinton at this point as I am of Hootie and the Blowfish. I don't want to go back, and I don't think our recent experience with dynastic politics should give anyone comfort.

Picture Hillary Clinton in office. Picture Bill Clinton saying something that undermines or contradicts her position every 11 minutes. Picture her trying to get anything done. I think she has the power to completely disenfranchise every moderate Republican and a full third of the Democratic caucus.

Sorry. No sale here from a fellow Democrat.

And another thing that I really, really resent is the implication from your team that you are either a Hillary supporter or a Republican. Emblematic of a world view that will come in third in Iowa.

Obama '08

The Slickster has really lost his mind, as well as his touch!! HE & SHE are both has-beens, &
the American people don,t want them around anymore!! Can't they "get it"? Do they want it spelled out in black & white for them??

Sorry, Hillary supporters. But, the argument that your candidate is more electable is pretty laughable. She's a significant step down from the electablility of Kerry in 04, imo. She is unlikable, dishonest, uninspiring etc. She simply will not win.

This idea that she's "experienced" is simply unsupportable. She is OLDER. Doesn't mean she's experienced. Being someone's wife doesn't count. In terms of experience, neither Hillary nor Obama is particularly experienced.

Now, it may be that Obama can't win either. While that's unfortunate, I'd certainly bet on Obama over Hillary. He is smarter, cagier, and much more likeable.

What good has Hilary done for the people of New York other than disappoint them. Nothing, She cannot lead. she is like smoke in the wind. She goes with the slight breeze then dissappears only after irritating you.

Really, what distinguishes Ms. Clinton. Other than who she is married to -- nothing. We might as well be like the Argentina electorate and vote in the first lady because we liked her husband. She is no more qualified and/or experienced than Pat Nixon to be president.

Again and agin I hear about HRC "Changing peoples lives"....
The government's job is NOT to change my life, the Government's job is to stay the hell out of the way and let me live my life...

Nothing more and nothing less, so now please excues me while I do the 25 hours of IRS and Government paperwork I am required to do every weekend. I change peoples lives every day, I have a small business that employees 15 people. If I have to buy them all health insurance, their lives will be changed because most of them won't have a job.

When someone speaks of changing lives.... be sure
what that change means

Houston HeightsMark

"Obama is this years Ralph Nader.....
Posted by Saturn's Child"

And thank allah for it.

william,

you shouldn't plagiarize and insert your own words. can you not express yourself with your own thinking? in regards to obama, i don't dislike obama, i don't go around bashing him. i think if he gets the nomination i would most certainly support him in the general election, can you say the same of hillary? you are the one bashing. i have admiration for all the democratic candidates and i feel sorry for your hatred you spew for that is exactly the values we don't need reflected in this country. you are right that racism is rampant and so is sexism. the difference is you can turn on any "news" channel, show or movie and it's perfectly ok to make random insulting comments about women, not so about race. Does that mean it doesn't exist? NO but please pay attention to who is spewing the hatred, that is where you find the problem and that is you!

Both Clinton's, Obama, Huckabee, George Bush, etc; are political children, wet behind the ears. These are the types that we, the public, have been putting in office for years. For God's sake, lets stop electing children to do a mans job. We need leaders, not childish wannabe leaders. I have been voting all my adult life (I'm 68) and I am sick and tired of the idiots that we put in office. Regardless of Opra's efforts, Obama's time has not yet come and neither has Hillary's, aka; Bill. Lets end this madness.

Concerned44

You appear to be an offspring of the Huffpo/Karl Rove political marriage.

I am so sick and tired of the media obsession with Barack Obama. When will someone corner this man and find out exactly what he plans to do...besides fill his speeches with lofty language and fluff. Sure, it all sounds great, but the roads to the presidency are filled with people who have no plan and have no clue how to work within the establishment. Anyone who thinks that the way things are done in Washington is going to change anytime soon is living in a fantasy world. At this moment in history, we need someone who can work those channels in order to get something accomplished. Does Barack Obama fit this bill? Perhaps...but he hasn't done anything yet to show us that he can. He is completely untested...I mean his highest profile election victory came against Alan Keyes. Let me tell you, my grandmother's 3 legged cat could beat Alan Keyes. Obama's two main arguments have been that he was "against the iraq war" from the start. This is a great stance to take when you're in the Illinois State Legislature and you have no real responsibility for that decision. He also claims to be so completely against the Kyl-Lieberman motion on Iran...however he was too busy campaigning to be bothered to make that vote. America needs a president who can actually get things accomplished, not someone who can get front row seats to Oprah's 400th show about her personal chef and his involvement in her battle of the bulge.

I am sorry to disappoint you Mr. president. This a new era, we do not want to go back to the past. Your presidency ended long time ago with the good and bad and we do not want to revisit the past. I like your wife and wants her to remain a senator where she is very effective. Your sound in this interview as if we owe you or your wife, that we are suppose to vote for her. You have convinced yourself that Americans want you or your wife back in the oval office. That is not quite the case even though you tried your best. Eight years is enough for you and your wife. As an astute observer of politics, I have known long time ago that your wife will never be elected president of this country. Her baggage and her enemies is just too much to overcome. I do not think it is fair but it is a fact of life. She does not connect with people, unfortunately Americans cannot vote for somebody they do not like. We saw that with Gore and Kerry. Next election is too important. Your wife will not only loose in a general election but will drag down Democrats in Republican district. Do not take the fact that people are not ready to vote for your wife personal, it is not your fault. We Democracts are going forward with Obama or Edward.

I don't get it. Are we Obama supporter the looney left or is Obama a closet Republican?
Obama haters are resorting to a shotgun approach hoping something will stick.
Look, Hillary Clinton and her supporters as much as say that if she's elected it'll be 4+ more years of partisan battles. It's one of the reasons they give to vote for her; she's combative. The American people, Democrat and Republican are tired of this. I've always voted Democratic, but like most of us, I have family, co-workers and friends who vote Republican. They're just as exhausted with the constant "divide and conquer" politics. This attitude that my aunt Kathy is somehow part of a vast right-wing hate machine because she votes Republican is bull. I've known her my entire life and she's willing to pick Obama over every other Republican except John McCain. I don't think she's lying to me in the hopes that I'll be tricked into voting for Obama and then she'll spring her trap! I'm voting for Obama because I believe he's the best chance of changing the political atmosphere and in the words of Lincoln during a much more violent divide in our country, "bind up the nation's wounds". I believe he has the strength, and leadership to lead a renewed American nation into this new global era. I believe his Presidency would be the best answer to those who hate our nation for our perceived racist and imperialist tendencies. But more than that, his rapid rise presents a unique opportunity to have a President unencumbered by the political debts most politicians need to rise so high. Leadership and strength of wisdom doesn't come from years in Washington. Lincoln's highest office attained was a seat in Congress and a loss is a Senate race. I'm sure Seward thought he should have been President with the exsperience HE had, but the nation knew better.

Bill,
you've had your chance to speak. Let your wife do the talking now BUT,
1. she's a cold fish
2. she's not electable
3. men don't like her
4. women neither
5. she's had her turn and botched it
6. while you played around

1. Hillary is the most experienced?

Please.

2. Hillary is the most electable?

Well, I guess it would take someone who can make statement #1 with a straight face to do the same thing with statement #2.

And as for the rest of Bill's interview, it sounds like scrambling to get his spin out on the Hillary political obituary.

Are Iowans and New Hampshirites voting for actual candidates, or is the Viagra candidate from the 90's (notice how often he uses the "I" word) running?

If the Clinton campaign could dig itself out of its own problems, and shed Bill, maybe they'd get some traction. But I doubt it.

Obama is a clear, new, intelligent, and highly attractive political force. Goodbye, Hillary. Goodbye, Bill.

I'm voting for Obama. America deserves him. They deserve nothing better. They deserve any Democrat running because they will take us into melt down. I can't wait to watch, like I said, we deserve Obama or any of these jerks.

How many of you posters are Karl Rove's "OFF"spring? Most of you are straight out of the Republican hit parade, singing the same old songs, chanting the same old chants, only this time your pushing Obama. Well it won't work Karl, we know Obama only has 10 or so votes and the rest are Republicans trying to defeat Hillary.

Hey Karl, it's time for you to clean our your rat hole in the White House, you're done.

It's an outright lie to say that Obama only has "one year of experience." Aside from his elective experience prior to the U.S. Senate, he's been in the Senate for 3 years now.

Seems to me like Clinton, Inc is in a bit of panic mode. What experience does HRC have? She's been a senator one term basically. Not much more than Obama. What's funny to me, though, are people like the one commentator that would vote for any Democrat without thinking that one Democrat may end up causing him/her MORE trouble than they ever bargained for if elected. I strongly suggest people get over themselves and this neurotic anger and select the proper candidate not just "anyone". Right now, HRC is not the right candidate. Might still be some question, however, if Obama is either.

Joe Biden may have the best of Obama and Clinton together, but Richardson has more than that. He has actually balanced a budget as a two term governor of New Mexico. Read what he has done for that state and then see what he has done in the field of international diplomacy.

Obama is young but he's not JFK. JFK had a Purple Heart (medal of Freedom etc.from injuries in WWII), a Pulitzer Prize for "Profiles in Courage," 2 terms in the US Congress and one term in the Senate- Obama was a part time state senator and a lecturer- Were he a woman or a white male there is no way he'd be challenging the front runner for President.
Read independent biographies of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama- even Wikipedia- There is a vast difference in both experience and depth and breath of passion on the important issues facing Americans. Obama may be a rock star right now -and the press, the Repubicans and the left wing may be trashing Hillary (note- they did the same to Al Gore and look where that got us- Gore was "a stuffed suit, Washington insider and invented the internet") but the stakes are high- Obama may well be the future but god help us- Hillary or one of the other more qualified candidates must take over now -No mistakes-Day One- the whole world will be watching.

This is a campaign run by the intellectual heavyweights? Although Hillary is doing a splendid job of losing the Demoncratic nomination on her own, ANYONE can see that Bill Clinton is a liability.

If Hillary is the mosted gifted person of our generation (or so Bill said in a recent interview), how can she run such an incredibly inept campaign? Who else has ads featuring their immediate family as endorsers??? I realize the ads are a ploy to humanize Hillary, but really, do we care at all about an endorsement from her mother and daughter? Your campaign is in dire straits, and someone--in this brilliant group of yours--needs to tell Bill to stop talking. Immediately.

I am speaking up for John Edwards.
As a workingclass white man (yes, you are what you are born into)--he understands the desperate plight of workingclass Americans forced into menial service jobs, deprived of industrial work by the trade pacts supported by the Clintons and Obama. He will bring that important population in for the Democrats. He is the sure thing in this desperate battle to wrest control from the Republicans--and as Bill says, why would we want to take a chance of not winning?

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Where do you begin when listening to a man who lies even with his hand on the Bible when he tries to force feed America the virtues of his wife, a career criminal.

Bill, bless his black heart, lies when he's under oath to tell us the whole truth and nothing Butt(_!_) the truth, therefore any and all of what he says at any given moment can easily be considered most likely a lie as well. That said; anyone who has to try "that hard" to sell Hillary to America as this pure as the driven snow do-gooder is.... well, needless to say, we need to filter everything this liar says about anything twice through the old B-S filter then spray what comes out to get rid of the smell.

*bert

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she is a bulged eyed rat toothed weasle faced skank.Dirtier politican does not exist.

As a former republican and still conservative type of dude, I can tell you Obama would be a far more appealing candidate than Hillary could ever be. Part of me wants Hillary to be the dem candidate just so she can be soundly rejected in the general election and never try for the top job again.

To the guy who brings up O's youthful drug use; Bill Clinton was a major coke fiend during his years as governor and people are on record saying so. Where do you think his brother Roger got the coke he was trafficking? Probably the same crooked Arkansas state cops who supplied Bill.

The world became a much more dangerous place during the Clinton years, with Red Chiner having direct links to the white house, they were given decades worth of military, nuke and satellite technology and can now accurately target american cities. Bill also allowed the terrorist threat to grow exponentially.

And the idea that so many dems would be okay with putting a serial sex offender and pathological liar back in the white house makes me sick. What a horrible example to set.

william,

after the first few sentences, your response is an intelligent post i would actually read. thank you for bringing out the better part of you, if we could all just do that. underneath it all we all want the same things.

I like the Republicans chances against Barack or Hillary. If I was a dem, I would be worried.

I like Barack Obama, but I am disappointed in his leadership. He talks about the audacity of hope, but he needs to have the AUDACITY TO VOTE. Out of all the presidential candidates, hes missed the most votes while campaigning. TO me, the most important vote that he missed was the Kyl/Lieberman Iran vote. Regardless of how you think a candidate should vote on that issue, I think we all agree it was important one way or the other because A) it was either a vote for diplomacy, or B) a step short of calling for war with Iran. Obama, who talks about change and new leadership, conveniently missed that vote. Its not the first controversial vote hes missed.

He conveniently voted to condemn Republican attacks against Sen. Max Cleland and John Kerry, but when it came time to condemn Move On, he skipped that vote, even though he had voted early in the morning. Again, regardless of how you feel, missing a vote reflects your inability to either A) Protect free speech in a democracy no matter how obnoxious, or B) refuse to condemn attacks against the military. You could also say that it was a party line vote, like most votes in the Senate are. Hillary CLinton stood up for her party despite knowing it could be used against her in the election, while Obama conveniently skipped the vote.

To me, Obama's lack of experience could spell trouble for the Democratic Party. Hes had three years of experience at the federal level, and he talks about bringing change, but what has he done to change Washington?
Yes he sponsored a bill on government transparency with Tom Coburn, but it was other senators who did the heavy lifting when it came to the details. And when it comes to sponsoring bills, you don't have to do much to be a co-sponsor. Compare his leadership to Tom Coburn or Sen. Jim Demint who were also elected in 2004. On issues that matter to the conservative base, like government spending and immigration, they have been working hard behind the scenes to bring the kind of change their constituents want. From a progressive point of view, Obama has done nothing to that effect.

It’s clear from these polls that despite Guiliani's numerous scandals, people still value MEANINGFUL leadership and experience (even though Guiliani’s experience is overrated).

Massachussets (progressive bastion right?..not for obama)
Clinton 54% Guiliani 40%
Obama 46% Guiliani 44%
New York (Democrats must win this state to have any shot in the general election)
Obama 46% Guiliani 46%
Clinton 56% Guiliani 37%

Obama doesn't even beat Guiliani in OHIO

http://www.surveyusa.com/electionpolls.aspx

Edwards is the weakest candidate runing in either party.
What are the odds Mark Penn survives to February?
I say 20%.
Fire up the resume, Penn, someones got to fall on the sword if Hill fails in Iowa.

Run Hillary and so many people will come out to vote against her that the dems will not just lose the white house, but the congress as well. People who think she may win will vote for repub representatives as a counter-balance to Hillary.

Marie,

I don't think I've spewed any hatred. I'd vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. But to suggest that the reason I Support Obama is because I'm sexist is no different than saying your racist because you're for Hillary. That was the point in me using your words but changing the candidates; to hopefully show you that gross generalizations of people who disagree with you are the direct result of the past two decades of Presidential politics.

dickenson,

who uses ads of their immediate family? where have you been? if the republicans posting or the democrats posting that support other candidates think that spewing general, ridiculous, uneducated hate is going to win or help their candidate they are wrong this year. your going by an old playbook, that leads to disaster not only for an election but for our country. please people raise your standards. we do not forever what to be viewed as the bully on the playground who's muscles have grown before our brain. we all know how that story always ends!

And Mr. Clinton has done what he always expected to do: Cloud the waters of exactly WHO you are voting for when you vote for Hillary. Because you do know -- you are voting for him again. This is about HIS legacy, and has little to do with our country.

That Clinton prosperity everyone harkens back to when reminiscing about the 90's? Hogwash.

Ask anyone who financed that big 'ole Clinton bubble - you know, the workers at Enron, MCI/Worldcomm, Adelphia, the DotComs - who had billions and billions squandered to finance the Clinton "economic boom."

We forget these poor folks in the cloud of war. But THEY are the ones who payed the price for his presidency. And quite frankly, while he was financing this country on their backs, he was ignoring the growing ominous cloud of terrorism on the horizon.

Anyone that Oprah backs is a million little pieces from anywhere.

Right now, I'd have to cast my vote for Guiliani.

Everyone should read this . It is from the "Christian Science Monitor"


http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1206/p01s05-uspo.html

Why are the top Democratic candidates--all of whom have the LEAST experience of the group--quibbling over which of them has the MOST experience?

Joe Biden has been in the Senate since 1972; Chris Dodd has been in the two houses of Congress since 1975. Bill Richardson, on top of spending the past five years as Governor of New Mexico, was in Congress for 14 years, and served as the Secretary of Energy and a UN Ambassador. Even Dennis Kucinich's 10 years in the House of Representatives is more time in an elected national office than any of the three "major" Democratic candidates can boast.

It seems that a fundamental fact about voter mentality is that people want to vote for candidates whom it seems like other people are voting for. Look at Huckabee--plenty of religious conservatives would probably have been happy to support him a month ago, but didn't even consider it until it looked like everyone else was, and all of a sudden he jumps from last to first in the polls.

Maybe Democrats should be thinking along the same lines. Just because Clinton-Obama-Edwards all had name-brand recognition going into the race doesn't mean that they're our only choices. Why shouldn't someone like Richardson be a serious candidate? He's an NRA-supported candidate who's serious about border security, offering some nice red meat to the independent, middle of the road voters in middle America, he has solid international experience, and he could be a serious force in bringing the increasing number of Hispanic votes that could win swing states like Florida and New Mexico (and maybe a Democrat might stand a chance of winning Texas?).

Or how about Joe Biden, whose overall experience, foreign policy knowledge, middle-class success story, strong religious faith and strong ethical stance on issues like Darfur could also be a strong attraction to middle American values voters who wouldn't even consider Clinton, Edwards or Obama?

These are seriously electable candidates, not just a bunch of second-stringers running for VP! With a weakened Bush coming off of a phenomenally unpopular presidency, it would just be astounding for the Democratic party to be inept enough to get beaten by a two-faced slick snake-oil salesman like Romney or a single-issue flash in the pan like Giuliani because they insisted on running a babe in the woods like Obama or figure like Clinton who's had middle America building up hatred for her for fifteen years.

The Democratic party, in general, is better in tune with what the American public wants and needs, but it has let itself get clobbered again and again in the almost thirty years since Ronald Reagan because the Republicans are just better at politics. Let's face facts: the single exception--Bill Clinton--owes more to the fact that Ross Perot divided the conservative vote in 92 and 96 than to anything else. The Republican attack machine is gearing up, and will easily decimate Hillary or Obama. We cannot handle another 4 years of Republican rule!

You freaks are gonna loooooooose!

Isn't it sad we have such "losers" all running for the office of President? If they are appearing to be decent upstanding folks, like Romnie or Huckabee, we tear them down and crucify them for any weaknesses, or even goodness, they show, always looking for that perfect nominee. I was in D.C. recently and the talk turned to HC. All the women in the group, high powered business women, said they wouldn't vote for HC under torture - saying she stood by and took the humiliation of her husband's antics in order to seek power for herself. I do think Americans need a fresh start and don't want anyone associated with Washington in any way. It is why Huckabee and Obama are doing so well in the polls right now and with a few wins in the early primaries, they will be off to the races. Now, if Bloomberg comes in, say in March, with his Billion to spend, now that could get interesting, but no one has ever bought a national election, as H. Ross Perot proved years ago. In the end, Obama is not electable - a sad fact, but true, and Huckabee will win it all by a large margin. Certainly, no one would have predicted, or concieved anything of the sort even six months ago, would they? Now, if we could get more than 40% of registered voters to the polls in every election, we'd have something really exciting going on.

It's the war, stupid. Hillary is reaping the results of having run a national campaign as senator to burnish her title as a centrist in order to appeal to republicans in the general election. She looked beyond the primaries and took a large portion of her party for granted.

She actually lost my vote when she refused to run in 2004. How could she say that George Bush must be stopped, that he was destroying America, and then decide not to take him on? Because she didn't have the political courage to do so and she thought that after 8 years of Bush, Americans would fall at her feet.

I just hope democratic voters show the backbone their leadership oftentimes lack and not be afraid to vote for change. I still have my doubts.

Please --- we don't need another Clinton or Bush in the White House These two families have screwed up this country over the last two decades. Geez, next thing you know Chelsea will marry one of the boys in the extended Bush family and we'll be saddled with a hybrid and hyphenated version of these goofs.

she is a bulged eyed rat toothed weasle faced skank.Dirtier politican does not exist.


Posted by patricknovasio | December 15, 2007 10:44
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Oh patricknovasio,

You are such a tart...........

Q. How can you tell when Bill Clinton is lying?
A. His lips are moving.

Whenever he is really trying to cover something up, he raises his voice a notch and starts to ramble and repeat himself.

Bill has to be blown away by how inept a politician his wife really is. Ambitious, yes. But that's not why people for a candidate. What I find interesting is why she became Hillary Clinton again.

What happened to the Rodham? Must be another makeover, trying to appeal to women how are not strident feminists.

The bottom line for the democrats is that HRC, like John Kerry is simply unelectable. My rottweiler could have beaten George Bush in 2004, yet the democrats nominate one of five people in the entire country who had no chance in winning the election.

Wake up democrats, the election is yours to lose, and that's exactly what will happen if you nominate Hillary.

If family life is one big ongoing argument between the adults, the little kids, suffering the daily disharmony, will immaturely develop a black/white view of one adult being the 'good' victim and the other adult being the 'bad' meanie.
But, when those suffering kids mature and grow in wisdom about how life works, eventually they will come to realize that both parents were flawed in ways that fed into and perpetuated the ongoing disharmony.
In the political world, the divisiveness plays to immature childish ideas of black/white thinking. The truth is that the Clintons, who play the 'good' victims and want us to consider everything as a matter of 'fighting' the 'bad' Republicans, well, the Clintons themselves represent one side of the equation which continues a divided America.
Many Americans are maturing and growing in wisdom, and are beginning to reject this ongoing disharmony. Obama has the unusual maturity to realize that Americans are ready to grow up and behave differently toward each other, and he has the ability to articulate an overview that brings deep understanding and deep hopefulness for real change. Clinton and her supporters are stuck in the old vicious cycle, and I pity them their lack of vision.

The fact is Hillary Clinton has never seriously contested Iowa because she can afford to lose it. She has always known John Edwards is all but a lock there thanks to his rural strength and his organizational strength there.

Edwards mortally injured Clinton when she screwed up on the driver's license issue, and she's been trying to recover ever since.

Obama has benefited somewhat from this, but in the end, he's not going to win Iowa. The fact he's trotted out Oprah there proves beyond doubt he doesn't have the ground support John Edwards has.

The last thing Bill Clinton should be doing is attacking other Democratic candidates.

It would be alright for him to offer genuine criticisms of GOP candidates *if* Hillary wins the nomination. But him attacking other Democratic candidates is going to backfire with Democratic primary voters.

Strange to see "the greatest politician of our time" repeatedly make such blatant gaffes. Bill needs to stay positive or he's going to create a huge backlash against Hillary. He's not the one running. He's an asset, but not a policymaker. At least he can't be publicly. The public will reject it.

On top of which, the whole "experience" argument is pretty empty at this point. Experience brought us the Iraq invasion, the collapse of international regard, the imploding economy. Experience brought us our cowardly Congress, our degrading environment, our decaying infrastructure.

Specifically, Hillary brings us the experience at failing to implement her programs, giving Bush and the neocons her enthusiastic support for unilateral invasion, and motivating the Republican base to vote against her. Yeah, that's some good experience to have.

Man we Democrats are a bunch of cowards complaining of victimhood. "These big bad Republicans are going to swift boat us, wah wah wah"

Every Republican running has as many skeletons in their closet, (or more) than the Democrats running.
Giuliani (mishandled NYFD communications prior to 9/11, had mistress ferried around by NYPD).
Hucklebee freed a convicted rapist who killed again - twice. On and on. But we Democrats are shivering in our boots over what the big bad Republicans are going to do to us. Instead, they should be worried about how the media is going to treat them. They have the more jucier, tabloid scandals this time with all the pedophilia and closeted homosexuality that the media loves.

Finally, how do we know that a black man can't win in America today? We haven't tried it yet. I'd say that most of America is more enlightened on race issues than say, Tennessee; and they nearly, very nearly, elected a black Senator despite one of the most racially divisive campaigns in memory. That same strategy won't work in NJ, CA, NY, PA, FL, IL, etc or even out west where race is barley an issue in any election, even when the candidate is black.

The Clintons do not like Iowa and New Hampshire so much. Why is that? It is because it is face to face retail politicking in front of a sophisticated electorate that has honed experience cutting through all the bullsh_t that candidates try to sell them every four years. In the rest of the country, the large primaries, money and access to power rewards those candidates who are armed to manipulate or at least have the media serve them in constructive ways. As someone who worked on the Clinton Campaign in 1992 in Boston, Massachusetts and went door to door in New Hampshire, I can honestly say that they are the most disappointing duo I have ever voted for. They are skilled manipulators who defrauded the American public. there are so many of us, including those who got up close and personal, that sincerely just want to see an end to the Bush-Clinton era, and spinmeisters like Matalin and Carville who have become multi millionaires shilling for them. America needs to turn a page. Hillary has a bigger problem, I would vote for Michelle Obama over her at this juncture.

Please, please, Democrats: vote Obama. Don't give the Clintons another shot at tarnishing the White House and making deals (most especially with the Chinese) that endangered our country for decades to come.

Bill Clinton didn't have any experience in national politics when he ran in '92, no?

I am usually a Democrat...but these guys make me sick. I voting for McCain.

Anybody who believes John Edwards is the weakest candidate in either party is a blithering idiot.

Barack Obama is for Democrats for numerous reasons.

Marie,

Your rather scrambled rebuttal makes it hard to respond, but I believe the gist was that I needed to raise my standards. I have and so has William, whom you also critiqued. Calling the Clintons on the very items they've foregrounded (their brilliance, political savvy, experience, etc.) is not spewing hatred. I am a Democrat, and I care deeply about what happens to this country.

I'm not responding to this sad interview by Bill Clinton because I'm bored. I'm responding because I care, and the Clintons have demonstrated--over and over again--that their motives lead to one aim: their own ambition.

Bill has lost it. The only way I could begin to understand some of his interview with Rose was to "parse" a few words together. "it will take a miracle" does stand out.

Actually, I thought Bill's comments were refreshingly candid. You people so filled with hate and bile, how can you sleep at night when you are all twisted up inside by hatred and vitriole? Bill Clinton didnt screw up this country, as some here say; that is patently and demonstrably false. And supporting HRC against Obama is not racist and has nothing to do with his color, as someone here stated. HRC can beat any of the Repubs as can Edwards and Obama. And lets face facts, HRC's experience in the White House for 8 years is a real asset to her hitting the ground running if she is elected. No way you can compare that to just being a senator, either with Obama or HRC. Regardless of which Dem wins the nomination, I will support them as fully as I can because I care deeply about who will select the next Supreme Court justice which will affect our democracy for decades.

Focus on the big issues, like the Supreme Court, and rid yourself of the hatred and bile. You will feel so much better.

Obama is proving today he is the most electable Democrat.

Obama has surged in Iowa and New Hampshire, but is still way behind in national polls. Why is that? Voters in IA and NH are seeing TV ads, hearing radio ads and getting to know the candidates while the rest of the country hasn't and is just working off of name recognition. It's clear that as voters get to know Obama, Hillary and Edwards they really warm up to Obama's leadership, vision and charisma.

I also think a lot of Hillary voters are latent Obama supporters -- they want to support Obama but are afraid to because they worry that he is not electable. When O wins IA and maybe NH, those latent O voters will become more comfortable with voting for O and drop Hillary.

Clinton’s experience in the senate doesn’t make her experienced to be president. People who believe then should believe every senator in congress is qualified to run for president. Being a first lady doesn’t qualify anyone to be president. If that’s the case maybe Laura Bush should run. Hilary is also a fake. There is nothing real about her public stance. It’s political and focus tested. She will say and do anything to get elected. I credit Obama and Edwards for being honest what they want to do. Yet there are stupid women who will vote for her based on gender. How ridiculous and idiotic.
I am an independent and don't run with party lines but Clinton, Obama, and Edwards are just scary. As much as Bush has pissed me off I will easily vote Republican with these Democratic candidates and their terrible ideas for this country. At least I found Kerry elect able in 2004 I can’t see myself ever voting for Clinton or Edwards.

Bill Clinton is not the best politician of our time, that's a myth he created and propogates. If there is never a Ross Perot, there is never a man from Hope. Why does it surprise the pundits that Bill can't pull Hillary's campaign out of the spiral - every time he was elected MORE PEOPLE VOTED AGAINST HIM THAN FOR HIM. He's a discrace of an ex-president, and his wife is a calculating, angry feminist who has taken his abuse for 35 years and now feels like it is her turn. America's not buying it - and unbelievably, neither is the media.

Ask her about her experience?

HILLARY: I've got the experience
BARAK: Other than failures in healthcare, what was your achievement in the White House? Other than Iraq, what was your achievement in the Senate?

WINNER!

Hopefully Obama will get the Democratic nomination. As I was hoping, Hillary is finally starting to slip and I think its due to people being reminded of some of the things Bill used to pull and I don't think they're interested in another 4 years of that stuff. Now if people could just hear what all the candidates had to say instead of being feed who the leader is by the latest poll, I think we'd start to get somewhere in letting the people decide who the next president is going to be.

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Regardless of the experience issues cited above(positive or negative aside) , Im just looking at the way the candidates organization(s)are being run and communicating to us or "not" run their teams as an indicator of how they will organize when they are elected.Mrs Clinton's campaign team appears to be a little disfunctional at this point with a lot of miscommunication issues at high levels at the most crucial point , why is that? Does it reflect on her ability to manage ,organize and surround herself with the best team?. (we correctly blame the Bush admin of the same missteps with us all these years so whats exactly the problem?) The ground game in Iowa was well know by all pariticapnts a year ago. And this caucus is a microcosim of how they will manage /communicate/ govern at a larger level. NH and SC will be different ground rules but still the same skills sets apply, (communication, orginazation.) Im watching to see how they handle it or dont handle it as an indicator of who is most "Ready to lead us" and be able to garner my vote.

Clintons seem addicted to big lies. How is Hillary the candidate of "experience" with "35 years of public service". Being married to a politician doesn't count. Running bimbo patrols for a sex addicted candidate isn't the kind of experience we need.

Experience in Hillary's case seems to really be a code word for her candidacy being a front for a third Bill Clinton term.

I'm 46 and I am tired of the Bush and Clinton families acting like the Presidency of the US is a volleyball to be smacked back and forth from one Royal Family to the other Royal Family. Even more tiresome are the number of Americans happy to go along with that game.

I trust voters will see this for what it is: Clintons will do/say anything to get elected, no matter the harm to the party. And HRC's experience? Most of the issues she was actively involved in in the White House went terribly wrong, and her most important vote of the senate experience was cast without reading the 200-some pages that might actually have given her the full picture (while knowing none of her staffers had the clearance to read it). Blindly agreeing to go to was sure feels like "casting the dice" to me.....

The implicit message if you take Bill's comments in total is: "Hillary's in trouble and I'm worried that Obama is going to win." He's correct.

THE ABSOLUTE ARROGANCE OF A COUPLE WHO WERE GIVEN THE WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO RUN THIS GREAT NATION, THE 60 MINUTES INTERVIEW WHERE THEY CALLED ALL THOSE WHORING WOMEN LIARS GOT HIM THE JOB AND THEY LIED, THEY LIED SO MUCH ABOUT THIS MENTALLY ILL RAPIST FELON THAT THEY BECAME ONLY THE 2ND IMPEACHED COUPLE(REMEMBER THEY RAN TOGETHER THEY LOSE TOGETHER) IN HISTORY...........

HE ONLY DID THE HELP, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SEX...........

THE ARROGANCE TO WANT ANOTHER TURN AFTER LYING TO US FOR 8 YEARS IS BECOMING MENTALLY ILL IN A FUNNY WAY NOW, THEY HAVE NO POWER ANYMORE AND THEY LOOK LIKE THE WHITE TRASH COUPLE FROM THE STICKS.

NOW HE SAYS THAT WE NEED SOMEONE WITH NATIONAL EXPERIENCE, I THOUGHT THE SAME THING WHEN GREAT GEORGE BUSH SENIOR, EX -CIA HEAD, EX VP UNDER COLD WAR, AGAINST A WHITE TRASH FELON RAPIST FROM ONE OF OUR LOWLIEST STATES - THE WAY THEY WON WAS TO GO DIRTY, HAHAHAHAAA, NOW AS ALL GOOD CON MEN DO, THEY ARE TALKING OUT OF THE OTHER SIDE OF THEIR MOUTHS, KEEP THE MONEY YOU STOLE AND SOLD PARDONS AND LIBRARY KEYS FOR AND GET THE HECK OFF OUR STAGE, THE FORK IS IN YOU, YOU ARE AN ALCOHOLIC LOSER, GET OFF THE STAGE AND TAKE THE IDIOT LITTLE MISSUS WHO USED US TO GET THAT NY SENATE SEAT - GO AWAY YOU SLIME

Bubba, nobody is interested in you or your evil lesbian wife. I hope you both go away forever in the very near future.

Let's see... Obama, 1 year of service on a national level. Bill: 0 yrs of service on a National Level. And hey, he was elected president! So by his logic, Obama is more qualified than he ever was.

Here's an interesting thought. Why couldn't we take the winner of the two primaries and make them Pres and VP. The general election would be for who gets the Pres seat. This way we get a true bi-partisan white house.

But hey, I know how all of you are. You all claim you want bi-partisanship, but none of you really want it. You either want a democrat or republican, and you want them to do things their way.

Blacks had been inclined to vote for Senator Clinton. Oprah was a sign of and permission for a shift to Obama, even more so as Obama's nomination and election seem more probable. Shaheen's drug questions offended blacks. Some called up the Clinton campaign saying questions about selling cocaine were not asked of whites like Bush. The net result of all this is the opening and deepening of a fissure between Obama backers and Clinton backers. Some say Evangelicals and Pro-Lifers would sit on their hands if Rudy gets the nomination. Now either backers of Obama or backers of Mrs. Clinton might sit home if the other gets the nomination. The cocaine incident may have lost the election for the Democrats.

OMG, what is the matter with you people?? I didn't inhale, I didn't have sex with that women, I do not know what happen to those papers, I don't know why her best friend committed Suicide. These people can't tell the truth. You can do a lot of things but lying is not one of them. Take consequences for your own actions. I am a tired democrat who should hate people simply because of their political choice???? what is this the 1960's trading color for being republican. I should hate them just for that. I don't think so, it is time for a change, move over a new generation is in town and we are all tired of the fighting and not getting the business of AMERICA done. I don't know who I am voting for but I do know who I am NOT voting for. Time for a change no more clintons, bushes or status quo. Vote all the bums out who can't do the business of America.
Not just a democrat

What you Democrats need to realize is those of us who are independent minded conservatives, would vote for Obama, but would NEVER vote for Hillary. We see through her opportunism and focus-group-field-tested sound bytes. We realize that if all of us REALLY knew what she thought, believed and would do if elected, it would scare the daylights out of 100% of the Republicans and 75% of the Democrats, leaving behind the extreme Berkeley-Left and communists who would not have a problem.

I don't like Obama's views on right-to-life and a few other things, but he strikes me as a young JFK. I would not have a problem electing him, but Hillary? Please.

This is such a strange phenomenon...it seems those at least on this comments section, the die-hard Obama-ites, are more interested in beating Clinton than they are Bush's legacy and the Republican successor. Where is the forest for the trees - not here in this comments section.

Truthfully, anyone BUT Obama. The rest of them ARE ready to be President. Do the Obama-ites truly think that the Republicans will capitulate? Do you really think the Republicans will not use the short track-record in the U.S. Senate (120 days in the U.S. Senate before he started running for President); do you really think right-leaning independents will really fall over themselves to vote for a guy with State legislative experience; do you really think they won't use the fact that Obama's Chairman of a Subcommittee on Foreign Relations and hasn't held even ONE hearing since
taking over the chairmanship; do you really think right-leaners are going to go for a guy who wants illegals to have drivers' licenses; do you really think the right-leaners and Republicans will go for someone who's said on questionnaires, he is for gun control with an unequivocal YES...please wake up. The Republicans will not easily hand over the White House. This is simply the truth, not spin. Already the Republicans have enough material to make a mini-series of a negative advertisement against Obama. Wake up. What is at stake here if the Republicans win? More lives in Iraq? For women, the right to choose? Our civil rights.

ANYONE BUT OBAMA.

Bill is right...Hillary does have experience. Experience eating box, scissor fighting, and being a socialist cunt. I think I'll roll the dice with Obama.

You Clinton supporters are amazing. The press has spent the last 6 months crowing about the "inevitability" of Hillary's nomination.

But now that she's falling in the polls and the press is noticing, suddenly the press are jackals and vultures, etc etc.

Personally, I'm gonna enjoy watching the Clinton's be humiliated again, and then watch Rudy hand Obama's head to him in the general election.

Good points, Brad.

Do you realize that since 1981 the highest elected officials in our country have had only three different surnames? And only two since 1989? By the time of the next inauguration in 2009, our nation will have been led only by people named Bush or Clinton for the past 20 years. I find that disturbing.

What’s done is done. We can’t go back and change the past. But this simple trend analysis could get even worse, with another Clinton running for president. I realize this Clinton’s hereditary genes are different from the earlier one, but still, in this great melting pot of nearly 300 million people, do we really need to elect sons and wives of presidents to lead the greatest nation in the world? That’s sad.

By way of clarification, I do not advocate voting in new bloodlines (genetic and/or political) just for name’s sake. Consider the disaster that was Jimmy Carter. Anyone who meets the basic qualifications can run. But what does this say about us? Is it that unbeatable political machines get established (that’s scary), that we get sucked into a cult of personality (also scary), or something else? I have a few ideas.

First we should credit Bill Clinton with trying to expand his patriarchal gene pool before and during his eight-year stint as president. He must have known the cigar incident in the Oval Office would not result in the formation of a new human life, which could in turn reproduce, but at least he was thinking about the act of procreation. Too bad none of his efforts was intended to benefit our country or mankind.

Isn’t there enough objective evidence of the dangers of inbreeding in ruling families in our 6,000-year history of civilization to warrant concern here? While I am using the whole gene pool subject allegorically, I think readers can understand the point. Doesn’t there seem to be something inherently wrong with using the same people over and over, when the performance of their forbearers was so bad?

In government contracting, there is a common practice called re-badging. One contractor screws up a job so badly that it finally gets fired, or the contract just runs out, and a new contractor wins the fat award. Then 99 percent of the employees of the old contractor swap their employee badges for ones from the new contractor. Everything goes on as before, except the top management of the new contractor swears that it has cleaned house and will do the right thing. After some period of time, the contract goes back to original holder or another one in a population of only a few. There really are people in government contracting who care about doing right, but concerns about corporate revenues and profits dominate this game. The attitude is “better us than them.”

There are real limitations in the government contracting work environment that militate toward this practice. There are practical things like credible resumes, active security clearances, historical knowledge, etc., but much of it is driven by the inertia of the good old boy and good old girl networks developed while one contractor or another is in power, and the amount of energy and money it takes to change that. It really is that simple, at least in the big picture.

Is it the same in our political system, all the way up to president? Do we want to be subjects ruled by self-styled monarchs? I think we are getting what we deserve.

I like Obama, he is a great guy, but he is too green. I just CANNOT vote for someone who has had 2 years in the Senate. I am sorry, he was elected in 2004 and he began running for president in 2006, that is too short. Moreover, i do not take into consideration his state senate experience. I personally know a couple of state senators and i can tell you they are total jerks. Moreover, most state legislatures work only a couple of months a year. So give me a break about the experience of that Obama has had in Illinois. He's got NONE.

He can talk a great game, and seduce the crowd and bring Oprah along, but the bottom line is that he has no experience whatsoever. As for his famous judgment, he has none since he was too weak to do hardcore drugs when he was a young man. This issue will be used by the Republican in the general election if Obama were to be nominated. By the time they finish with him, Obama would look like an ambitious crack-head who is running for president.

This is the bitter truth that we don't want to talk about and which will cause the Democrats to lose again. Have you ever wonder why Karl Rove is advising Obama via his Newsweek columns? Have you ever wonder why most Republican top strategists have been supporting Obama and working against Hillary Clinton? The Republican establishment does not want to run against Hillary Clinton just like Nixon and his team did not want to run against Ed Muskie and did everything to ruin his primary campaign. Do you remember the results of the 1972 presidential elections? Nixon carried every state except Massachusetts and District of Columbia--that is almost 97% of the electoral vote.

So if the dems want to lose, just nominate Obama. The republicans would never thank you enough for that gift.

I would say to Republicans who take pleasure in the sight of Democrats in-fighting, that's what we Democrats do. We never fall into lockstep with who were told to accept. But have no doubt that when the nominee is chosen, everyone of these Democrats, regardless of who they've backed for the nomination, will line up behind their nominee and vote in droves for the Democratic nominee. Democrats are used to a battle royal for the nomination, not the coronation the Republicans usually have. It is the Republican party that is out of its element in this cycle, lost without anyone to tell them who to annoint.
There are distinct fissures between the more socially moderate fiscal conservatives and the social conservatives. Fiscal conservatives will break off to the Democratic nominee if Huckabee is nominated and social conservatives will stay home if Giuliani or to a lesser extent Romney is nominated. For Republicans to think that any Democratic nominee means certain victory for the Republican is pure fantasy. I wouldn't trade the Democratic field for the Republican field for a million bucks. Well, maybe for a million tax free.

Please keep it up, Bill. This is great! Keep talking...that should do it. You can effectively kill your wife's(?) campaign. That will save Americans from further vomiting.

I guess former President clinton would choose the spouse of a surgeon for his operation.

It is disturbing to me that in looking over the field of candidates, that frankly the presidency is no longer what it's cracked up to be. So long as you have someone like a Hillary, who brings to the fore only her high opinion of herself, which is at clinical proportions, what do you really have here. We see endless bags of socialist cash, and a pay off for a 1970's decision to attach herself to a man who did all the heavy lifting, and whose coat tails plunked her on her perch, but who now serves her as the "useful idiot", forced to publicly transfer to her all of his accomplishments, for her use in gaining power.

OK Mr. Clinton; since you want to talk up experience, on behalf of your wife:

Tell us more about her two brothers,when they were living around the White House, and accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars from criminals to try and obtain presidential pardons from you.

All in the family, Mr. Clinton. Tell all about those experiences with Senator Clinton's very own brothers.

Please. We know you are all about vetting and experience. Tell all about those paid for pardons.

Please GOD , make the Clinton's go away. They are nasty... You
just feel dirty listening to them. And my GOD , please make AL
GORE go away.

Bill is trying to innoculate Hillary against her up-comming loss in Iowa and to dial back the ecpectations that come along with the "inevitable" lable that she/he affixed to her candidacy and their second Clinton co-presidency.

The "O" Factor will ultimately run the table!

It strikes me that every single Clinton supporter I have ever run into, or whose post I have read, argues the same thing: we need to vote for her 'cause she's the only one that can win. I have never met someone who tells me how much they like or love the woman, or that she inspires them. I am often told by these same people that, in fact, they don't like her at all, but she's the only one who can win. I am also told, "well, Obama's great, but, you know, I really want a democrat elected and I'm just not sure this country is ready for...." So, it appears to this (perhaps tragically naive) soul that a vote for Hillary is is actually a vote for spirit-crippling cynicism.

The people who love Obama (and, yes, I'll count myself among them) may be crazy, but I think it's a good kind of crazy. it's the kind of crazy that thinks this country is better than hedging your bets, never taking chances, never "rolling the dice." They are the kind of "crazy" that thinks electing an incredibly intelligent, poised, elegant, handsome, cool-under-fire, engaging, thoughtful, international black man (who, by the way, is brilliant enough to fill his cabinet with all the "experience" anyone could ever want) would force the rest of the world to completely re-evaluate their nasty and glib interpretations of "ugly American" small-mindedness. The thought of having this man as my president literally makes my chest swell with pride every time it crosses my mind. When was the last time you felt that "crazy" emotion about a president? Screw the old "experience" line. I want a NEW experience. Let me "roll the dice" with this man --because if I don't I know exactly what I'm going to get for the next four to eight years: the same old sad, divisive, cynical crap we've had over the last several presidents. Please, God, don't make me hold my nose to vote even one more time.

Good for Bill. It needed to be said.

May I ask a question of democrats here...?

What major legislation did Bill Clinton ever propose and then get passed into law? The only one I ever remember was welfare reform and that was a republican proposal that he signed. Can you please list out the legislation that he pushed through?

No doubt he is a great campaigner however not all that effective once he is in office. If you remember for 18 months after being elected he would take an entourage out to the streets to do glad handing for no reason but to make himself feel good.

Since most people are presupposing Bill's "experience" onto Hillary I am stepping one step before that to ask, " What specific laws did he get passed as president?"

The truth is that Hillary stayed the course and supported Bill, knowing all the time that he was slime and she would eventually get her chance at immortality by publicly saying the right things like "vast right-wing conspiracy". She also knew that the liberal press would selectively report things to support their own bias. The result was she:

1 - Got a hand-picked, couldn't lose nomination in New York.

2 - Inherited slimy democratic operatives like Carville and Begala who can manipulate the MSNBC morons.

3 - Has the swooning Bill supporters who, for some reason, love Bill, even though I can't think of one positive thing that he did as President. Don't say the economy because that was bogus based on overvalued tech stocks that turned out to be basically worthless.

I pity this country if we are stupid enough to elect such a despicable person.

Wa Wa Wa The Clintons so are OLD news.

Uh. Here's your solution. Ron Paul.

Honestly, the level of vitriol posted by so-called Obama supporters is astonishing. I thought you people were for hope and change?
That "experience" thing really shakes your cribs, doesn't it? Oh sure, Senator Clinton's years as First Lady, in Arkansas (don't forget; a "small" state) and in Washington, mean nothing as well as her years as a Congressional aide, and her Senate years mean nothing compared to Senator Obama's years in the Illinois Senate (a "big" state). Certainly, we must throw out her years as a mother as well.
Can anyone of you Oprah, excuse me, Obama fans tell me what your precious did prior to being in the Illinois Senate. He is, after all, 46 years old. What did he do in his 30's?
Oh, what is the recidivism rate for cocaine abusers? Didn't Oprah herself admit to using?
See how nasty feels? Try saying something positive and factual- not soaring rhetoric - about Senator Obama instead of behaving like the Power Puff generation girls you really are.
Oops!

Although I don't share Walkingfeather's political viewpoint (Republican), he makes a goood point. What is it, exactly, that Bill Clinton accomplished? He walked into a charmed presidential period. All he really needed to do was not mess anything up. He's touted as a great president. Why???

The dirty campaigns of the democrats for president, the lack of leadership by Nancy Pelosi in the House, and by Harry Reid in the Senate just point out that the democrats are no better than the republicans at running the country. LIES LIES LIES ... MIS-INFORMATION ... STRETCH THE TRUTH ... ALL TO FOOL THE PEOPLE!! We haven't been attacked since 9/11 and the economy is doing great. I hope that if the democrats are elected they will do half as good, but I doubt it.

1. She may be experienced, but she doesn't have the temperment or personality to be President.

2. Bush 41 + 8 Years of Clinton + 8 Years of W. + 4 Years of Potential Hillary = 24 Years of America under two families. The founders are spinning in their graves. We are not a monarchy.

3. Hillary is wrong on Iran. Isolating countries the rest of world engages is a doomed foreign policy. Look at Cuba.

Mrs. Clinton has vast experience!

She has been a toady wife permitting her husband to use and abuse countless women. She has vilified everyone who may disagree with her using the most vile and outrageous tactics.

She has foreign affairs experience of many years. Look at all the illegal campaign contributions from the Chinese government. She favors the continued invasion of illegals and wants them to vote long before becoming citizens.

She is a woman and so knows every single issue that matters to every single women: they all want to be victims and get government handouts.

In short, Mrs. Clinton is a democrat. Any actions are justified, weather immoral or illegal because she will do the best thinf=g for her supplicants.

To end the U.S. as we know it, please do vote for Hitlery.

"As for Obama, has anyone with less experience ever been a leading contender for president?

Posted by Joe D"

I guess the "d" stands for dumb....1.2 seconds to answer this question...Abraham Lincoln

Marbury "...it's a good kind of crazy. it's the kind of crazy that thinks this country is better than hedging your bets, never taking chances, never "rolling the dice.""

Good post! This nation used to make bold moves by rolling the dice, taking risks. We used to have a "can-do" attitude, now we just overanalyze, get cynical and say the government automatically screws up everything.

JFK laid out a bold vision of putting a man on the moon. We rolled the dice, took the risk, rolled up our sleeves and did it. We need to get that spirit back.

The ONLY reason HRC is a US Senator today is because of Bill.

The ONLY reason HRC is able to run for the nomination is because of Bill.

Ergo, a vote for HRC is a vote for Bill.

If Bill can't resist the attention now, what would it be like if HRC is elected?

We're done with Bill, and HRC for that matter.

Thanks, but no thanks.

There is one thing that, in itself, disqualifies Hillary from being president. Or, more accurately, me voting for her as president. She voted yes in 2002 to authorize the war, without even reading the NIE. There is absolutely no question in my mind that she did so because she believed Bush-Cheney-Rummy would go to war and win it, and if she voted no, it would look bad in 2008 when she would run. This is totally Clintonian, what both of them are all about. And why I'm sick of them both. And like many people who have an antipathy towards Hillary, I am a progressive.

Hillary traded her (moral) ethics for power when she and Bill were in the White House, (the Monica mess). Given the choice between my welfare and more power, there is no doubt she will chose the latter.
Oh, and what's the first thing she did when faced with his infidelity, which he had a history of. She blamed half the country. “It’s a vast right wing conspiracy.” Yea, right. She uses that line a lot when she’s called on something sleazy she’s involved in.

Wow, Hillary does not have the guts to attack herself, she uses Bill.

Who's surprised?

Hillary, babe, figure it out. They're just not into you.

Robert Oliver: "...the economy is doing great."

What?! With Bush in office oil has gone from $30 to $100 per barrel, gasoline has doubled in price, inflation is taking off, the dollar has lost 40% of its value, the real estate market is collapsing with record foreclosures, Citibank needs an infusion of cash from a Middle Eastern country to stay afloat and we're on the verge of a recession. What planet are you on?

I am in my 50's too and might vote for Obama. I really wanted Gore but since he is not running will vote for anyone who I think can keep Hillary out of it. I also voted for Bill twice but his wife, sorry Bill, is NOT the same or even close to it. Times have changed, people have changed and its almost like Bill and Hillary have taken lessons from Rove's play book on how to win and that sickens me.

Maybe they did it before by picking Gore to give them what they didn't have...then dropped them like hot potatoes when done using them.

After 7 years of Bush...the public is watching. We have woken from our sleep and don't want dishonesty in office.

I'm restraining myself from calling most of the commentators on this thread, idiots. Since when did you take your eye off the true target - beating the Republicans, Bush's failed policies, the continuation of the Iraq War, more right-wing idealogues on our Supreme Court? Since when did you forget what the stakes are of losing to Republicans yet again? Answer - since you started putting the target instead on another Democrat.

Make it a two person race, divide and conquer, resulting in the weakest Democratic candidate (not Dodd, Biden, Richardson, Edwards, even Clinton).
Let's refocus this race again on the Republicans and then ask yourself - will Republicans and right-leaning independents fall over themselves like you have to vote for Obama? For what reason - hope? C'mon. Rove will walk away again, crowned the boy-genius, laughing at all of us. Was it any wonder that he decided to become a journalist; he knew the MSM would be absolutely instrumental in distracting us and putting the target on the wrong target.

She can't answer a question about illegals and drivers licenses for a week and the press is being unfair asking about that issue?! Can't answer that question because the dog eat my polling survey on that one..............

Bill Clinton: "or is it more ...[important] to have someone who would also symbolize change...but who has done a significant number of things to change other people's lives."

Is it really fair to consider aborted fetuses changed "lives"?

Bill doesn't get it. The greatest obstacle for Hillary has been Bill - she should have divorced him when she had the chance. His most damaging video clip is seen daily on drudgereport when he is telling an American, "how dare you" suggest that 911 was an inside job... Well, everyone except Bill, knows someone knew something before the towers, especially number 7, which didn't get hit by anything, went down. Knowing and seeing that video has been the most damaging piece of truth of what's behind the Clinton dynasty, and it is time for both Bush and Clinton to fade away from the world's landscape as quickly as possible... That is why the Bush's, Clinton's, Giuliani's are history... recognize the truth Bill, you're toast, finished, an embarassment, and ruined Hillary from ever becoming anything.

democratic jack:

I think that you are confusing the people who hate Hillary with the people who support Obama. Besides, while Obama is running a positive campaign, his supporters have no obligation not to have vitriol.

Re the cocaine point. You are an idiot. Exactly what in your post is "factual."

Bumperstickers for the Millenium:

"I am not gay; I have never been gay".

"Lets Invade - Insert name here"

"F*** Oversight"

"Constitution?"

"Cocaine - the Presidential Drug of Choice"

"Republican means never having to say your sorry"

The ONLY reason HRC is a US Senator today is because of Bill. The ONLY reason HRC is able to run for the nomination is because of Bill. Ergo, a vote for HRC is a vote for Bill.

Really? Good. I'd like to have Bill Clinton back in the White House. Oh to return to the days when we had peace, prosperity and the respect of other nations! And our biggest problem was stained dresses. That would be so terrible! A lot of Americans agree with me. That's why, despite the wild-eyed rants of the so called "progressive" Obamanites, Hillary Clinton is leading in national polls.

Look, if you prefer Obama to Hillary, fine. But you don't have to be nasty about it. She's been a fine senator and a competent main stream liberal for many years -- fighting for ordinary people and sensible policies. Suddenly, because she has the nerve not to roll over and hand the nomination to your champion, she's evil and wicked.

Watch out, Obama supporters. You just might accomplish the impossible: eliciting a backlash of sympathy for Hillary Rodham Clinton.

I'm with those who are saddened & embarrassed for Bill. How low must he continue to stoop in his quest to reclaim the WH?

As an idealistic college student, I voted for him twice in the 90s and stood by him during the attacks that came throughout his Presidency...brushing off questions about his character and sense of entitlement all the while because I was so worried about the GOP agenda.

Well, I'm now a 35 yr old woman & his BS doesn't hold water like it used to. Witnessing him continue to prop up his divisive, war-authorizing wife & pass her off as a change agent with lies is JUST TOO MUCH.

His legacy is already ruined in my mind. When he speaks now, all is see and hear is spin. The difference was clear to me even back in '04 watching the DNC. Watching his and Obama's keynote speeches, I finally understood the difference between settling for a very, very skilled politician vs. someone who embodies in his very nature the conviction and sincerity we've all been starving for (but thought we'd never find again).

Speaking of what Obama stands for, Clinton's description of him as a transformative figure might be one of the best arguments I've heard for why he's the best choice. It's so funny...in trying to point out the contrasts with HRC, he makes Obama's case for him.

Oh Bill...how far the once mighty have fallen.

GO BILL GO! Again this guy is stepping on his you know what. (or is it hillary's). Look out Dem's the Repub's are sneaking up on you!

To say that voting for Hillary is the safe vote, is not taking a risk, is the most fatuous joke of all.

bbln,

Expressing honest indignation at the political machinations of Bill and Hillary Clinton is not being idiotic. This fear tactic that we "must vote for Hillary because she's the only one tough enough to best the Republicans" is foolishness.

At present, she's demonstrated that she's not strong enough to oversee her own campaign, and, repeatedly, she brings in her husband to bail her out (a big mistake, very big).

Many polls demonstratee that Hillary is the least likely to beat the Republicans.

About the only thing Bill has taught Hillary is to hate men. He us a crud and everybody knows it. The world has the indelible image of Bill and Monica in the Oral Office whenever they hear his or her name. Bill sacrificed Americas moral standing in the World with an Intern...and he thinks he has anything compelling or credible to say. Hillary, get yourself a new partner and a new life.

John D.

Thanks for proving my point. I may be an idiot but I am not running for President either. As for factual - disprove anything I've said with "facts", not by name calling.

I find it odd that the posters who complain the most about Obama supporters by vile, are the worst of the prohillary posters when it comes to negatives. It doesn't bother me at all that Hillary and/or her supporters attack Obama. he has been able to take it coolly and his campaign hasplayed it perfectly. Hillary supporters say Obama doesn't stand a chance against Rovian politics. Compared to Clintonian politics, Republicans are nothing. Hillary's people say that they are the only campaign that can out Rove Rove. But what does it say about Obama if he can beat the best of the best (the Clintons). If Obama can beat the Clinton machine, he'll be ready for any Republican.

If only Bill had done the politically astute thing when caught with his zipper down. He could have resigned "for the good of the nation" and the good of the party. Then Gore would have run in 2000 as the sitting President, OBL probably wouldn't have hit the Twin Towers, and even if he did, we wouldn't have gone into Iraq to avenge W's daddy.
But then Bill would have had to sacrifice his ego, instead of the hapless Democrats who had to defend his indefensible crimes and misdemeanors.
And so it goes. The only person out there who is more selfish and ambitious than Bill is Hill.

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Bill worried me in 1992 but I voted for him in the primary and election. Obama worries me now. Neither Hillary nor Obama have the executive experience that I like to see in a presidential candidate but Hillary absolutely scares the hell out of me. Step to the side of the hall and lower your head. Do not make eye contact as Hillary as she passes you. You can not be serious. Hillary is so viscous I can not see how she would garner any votes at all from people that know her true nature. It is the fear factor that is shifting this race not experience. Honestly, I am scared to post this.

when are you people (man, can I say that??) going to see that there is no difference between the dems or the repubs? You sit here and bash your own candidates back and forth and don't seem to realize that if Bush had a D after his name you would love his ass. Bunch of numb-nuts on this site bantering against each other. Who rally gives a Sh** about Bill Clinton? Half the country despises his wife. Do we really want another 4 or 8 years of a Clinton? Isn't 4 years of Bush 1 + 8 years of Clinton 1 + 8 years of Bush 2 enough of the Bush/Clinton legacy for this country? Do we really want to possibly have 28 years of Bush/Clinton in office? HELP THE IGNORANT, DEAR LORD! Think RON PAUL!

Bubba said "That's like saying that because 100% of the malpractice cases are committed by doctors, the next time I need surgery, I'll get a chef or a plumber to do it." No Bill, it makes more sense to get the surgeon's wife to do it! After all, being married to the surgeon gives the wife so much experience...yeah right!
If Clinton wins, the Clintons win. If Obama wins the country wins. Shrillary always talks about fighting for us, battle scars, attack machines, etc. Does anyone really think she will get anything accomplished other than 4 more years of combative partisan divisiveness? I'll take my chances on the guy who may just bring us together and together we can do anything as a coutry. Remember 2 for 1? Only the Clintons would govern for 8 years and demand 8 more....unreal! They complain of the republican attack machine and dirty tricks and fear mongering and do the same thing to Obama. Now they tell us to be afraid, be very afraid of what the GOP will do to Obama. They only care about themselves...always have. Bill won and both times most folks voted against him. She is a loser. Go Obama!

indc claims that GW Bush "stole" the 2000 election, but that is a complete & utter lie perpetuated by the Left. Bush wasn't the one who sent lawyers to Florida first. Bush wasn't the one who tried to suppress the overseas military absentee vote. Bush wasn't the one who designed the ballot in West Palm Beach County--Democrats did all this. And all the "unofficial" recounts of the Democrat media and press also showed that Bush won the election.

Get over it or move to Canada folks. Any of the Republicans running for President now have more experience and accomplishments in their little fingers than the Democrats currently running combined.

No matter the GOP or Democrat nominees, I predict a GOP landslide in 2008. If Americans wanted us to lose in Iraq, then we'd already be out of there. Plus, if you have Democrats like Hillary & Obama & Edwards as front runners who want the U.S. to lose in Iraq, then they will lose by a landslide in the general election.

Being an elected politician is sometimes different then being a leader.

A leader casts vision for the good, over a period of time, that brings people to this place.

Also a leader will demonstrate over a long period of time positive attributes of character, for example, do not lie, do not steal, do not disrespect, do not adultery, do not deceive, if they make an error, then leader makes it right, among other things.

America is too feministic now. For me, Hillary in office will accelerate worship of children, pets, and women, with men as being bad. I also expect divorce, abortion, and affirmative action legislation to increase. Family (divorce) and work life would include more government involvement.

I've already initiated citizenship in another country with my foreign born wife, away from America's matriarchal influences.

Why in the world would any body in their right mind vote for her?

The America-hating in this discussion is hysterical. Time and again people here keep saying that we're too racist a nation to elect a black president. The truth is just the opposite. Barack Obama is a smart, charismatic politician--but the plain fact of the matter is that the color of his skin is the reason he's a leading candidate THIS EARLY in his career. No disrespect to the man's talents, but if he were white, the national press would NEVER have been touting him as a presidential contender seconds after his primetime speech at the 2004 campaign. The NETWORKS had him running for the presidency more than a year before HE decided to! I'm not saying he's winning NOW solely on account of his race, but the press would never have given him the stamp of approval as a "viable contender" three years ago were it not for the fact that they saw TREMENDOUS news value in the possibility of a black front runner. So let's knock off the talk that America won't vote for a black man. Is there a small minorty who won't? No doubt, but they'd never vote for ANY Democrat--white, black, or green.

James E ..... Energy producing states are doing OK with the high prices of oil and gas; everyone didn't buy an over-priced house that they couldn't afford; inflation has stayed rather low since Jimmy Carter. The prices for movies, cars, and luxury items ... well these items are high. You could buy a nice new Chevy Impala in 1963 for about $2,200 ... gas for about $.25/gal. Both are up ten-fold. Why the attack on gas and you don't attack the price of cars? Depends on your perspective doesn't it?

When I think of Bill & Hill I think of three things...Monica, impeachment & cigars! Maybe that's why I get sick when reminded of Bill, our emeritus Condom-in-Chief.

I remember when I voted for an 'inexperienced' guy from Hope Arkansas when I was 18 years old in the '92 Colorado Primary. Now I am 35 in Iowa and am once again considering voting for an 'inexperienced' guy who speaks of Hope.

It is just funny when Bill says that Obama is inexperienced. I like the idea of a young, not totally corrupted by politics, candidate.

Ok, so when Bill says Obama does not have experience he is reffering to "The National Stage", I get that. H. Clinton was First Lady for eight years and is now an elected member of the US Senate. As a result she has vast experience at the "National Stage". Obama has one full year in the US Senate and therefore has less experience according to Clinton's definition of "experience". Hmmm.. This is classic Clinton logic.. "It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is." –Bill Clinton, during his 1998 grand jury testimony on the Monica Lewinsky affair

Ok, so when Bill says Obama does not have experience he is referring to "The National Stage", I get that. H. Clinton was First Lady for eight years and is now an elected member of the US Senate. As a result she has vast experience at the "National Stage". Obama has one full year in the US Senate and therefore has less experience according to Clinton's definition of "experience". Hmmm.. This is classic Clinton logic.. "It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is." –Bill Clinton, during his 1998 grand jury testimony on the Monica Lewinsky affair


I dunno. I'm a staunch democrat and loved Bill Clinton ... but I get the feeling he's not the same man who was President. He lost his cool in the Chris Wallace interview, and now this Charlie Rose nonsense where he's spewing cynical political strategy. Whenever he's interviewed these days his mouth seems dry and he slurs his words a bit ... and he's not as coherent.

Seriously, if these people are effing up this bad during the primary ... how badly are they going to take a dive in the general election?

I'd like it to be Edwards. But it's going to be Obama if not Hillary ... and I'm quite happy with that :)

As a conservative, I must say that it is very refreshing to see that fiberals have finally begun to see the Clintons true colors. They’ve been doing this type stuff their entire political lives. The difference is their vitriolic venom is aimed at Democrat Obama and Dems suddenly can see their M.O. Conservative have been pointing out their attack and destroy mentality since Bill was elected, so congratulations fibs on finally getting the real picture of the Clinton SS machine.

I don't blame Bill Clinton for trying to sell his wife's candidacy.

I blame the media for not stopping and saying that Obama has been elected to legislative office longer than Clinton, that he has a degree in forigen affairs and a law degree and he taught constitiutional law. He's been on the right side of the Iraq war and clearly has the judgement to do the job.

He's more than qualified to be President.

With all of her mistakes: Iraq, Iran, the Health care debacle, the various gates we went through with Clinton I that wasted his presidency. How can anyone believe they'd be good for this country and this time?

Q: WHY IS BILL CLINTON SO "ACCOMPLISHED" AND REVERED?


A: I have no clue. He was never able to get a majority to vote for him and, without Ross Perot, he would be selling used cars in Arkansas right now. Instead he is hawking a lemon (who has never run anything but her mouth) using the same "brilliant" sales techniques pioneered by Studebaker dealers.

Oh What Joy! What Bliss! What a Christmas Present! Bill Clinton angry, hands shaking, lashing out! Please Democrats, force these arrogant, corrupt, incompetents to drink a bitter brew of national rejection before they slink off to their separate rocks and sit, abandoned by their former partners in crime, bereft of their tidal wave of illegal cash 'donations', crouched like a pair of Gollums in their His and Her mansions, muttering and cursing the loss of their former power. What sweet Kharma!

i knew the "big" media guns would come to hitlery's aid. the new york times, the wash. post. their not going to allow hitlery to go down without a big fight because she's their man. bill clinton mention's experience. two terms, i think, as gov. of arkansas was all that he needed? come on. i know the clinton's past and i just don't trust them anymore. obama, although short on experience, seems to have a good head on his shoulder's. i like him. i plan to vote for him. and, talk about a cheap shot about abama doing drugs, who hasn't.

Feminism, in its original definition, only meant that women should have the same rights as men. I am a feminist, but that does not make me a male-bashing virago that automatically thinks all women are right, Markr. I also know a lot of feminists, and none of us are voting for Hillary. If she can't capture our vote, just who is she appealing to? The national polls amaze me; who are all these Hillary supporters?? What is her allure?

I'm with you regarding Ron Paul - he is the only sane one in the bunch...

Huckabee is a liar - says he has a theology degree/minister - HE IS NOT - went one year to a theology school - I hate liars, especially, right wing, religious ones.

The Morman is a multi-billionare who gives a rat's rear for the middle and lower classes

and Giuliani did nothing to prevent the 911 debacle, only to run when the buildings fell, and now sends money off to his whore on NY payroll - married multiple times and we were worried about Bill's transgressions?

Hill is nothing more than a shrill for Bill - I'm sick of Bill and his BS - he is a globalist and gives a rat's rear for the health of the USA - as a Navy Veteran during his presidency, I know how little he cared about the military.

Obama is not the man either - doesn't have the conviction or the tenacity to make the drastic changes necessary to salvage the damage done by the Clinton/Bush dynastys...

Only Ron Paul has the ability, the record, and the compassion to restore national pride to the once greatest country on earth.

This election will be the most important in our lifetimes - it will either be the beginning of a new dawn in America, or it will be the fork in the road sending us to our demise...

Change parties if you have to, but vote Ron Paul in your primary... check his website out...

I would never vote for Clinton or Obama but the idea you need experience to be President is absurd. It is an experience unto its self. There is nothing that can prepare you for it. You must have character, principals, a strong sense of self and intellect. That disqualifies Hillary right off the bat, she has none of those traits. Obama has some but is to much of a quasi-socialist for my taste. Every problem has a Government answer in his book and as we all know the Federal Government doesn't do anything well. Why would we put these bureaucrats in charge of one more thing, we should be ripping power from them at every turn. I will probably vote for Rudy since he is the only proven leader in the group on either side. Took down the mob, cleaned up NY and performed well in during 9/11, those are tangible things. None of these choices are perfect of course, they are human after all but Rudy is the most known commodity.

Bill Clinton's analysis is not far off the mark as far as it goes. Unfortunately for democrats, they aren't sprouting candidates that are particularly electable with the voters. Hillary has high negatives with the general electorate, which means the nomination will be much easier than winning the general. Obama has one year of national experience. Edwards campaigns against things instead of for things. All is not bleak, but from here it really looks like the Democrats are in the position of playoff team that needs help from someone else (i.e. the Republicans need to nominate someone who is less electable than any of the current Democrats)to finish first. They also need to swallow their petulance and stop running against last year's champion - George Bush is NOT going to be the name on the Republican side of the ballot. A recount of 2004 or 2000 is not going to make them president in 2008. The winner will be the most inclusive candidate. Will the democrats stop running in the last election in time?

it could be me. i don't know but i get the feeling that miss clinton is two different people. when she's out in public she just looks too, phony. she's always got an ear to ear smile and waving and touching but then she starts to talk. she's going to do this and that. just yesterday she said that if elected that she's going to make sure all children have some kind of health insurance. to me, i know that it will never happen. it's the same as making sure that everyone has a pot to pee in. it's not going to happen. as a voter, i want sincerity not big promises. and i think she really did know about the drug accusations made by shaheen. i don't think she can be trusted.

I find it humorous that democrats are so concerned about the party, they may nominate her. While she doesn't care anything about the party. The Republicans were never in better shape than when the Clintons were in office. She'll gladly wreck that party in exchange for the presidency. While losing to Barack, she is doing alot of damage to him that will make the job of beating him easier for the Republicans. She is totally unscrupulous.

We just don't like her! She is so fake. After hearing her speak, I take a shower! It is what it is and she is simply not electable.

Frankly, she exudes this actor-type facade that makes me question who she really is. There is a deep down veritable presence to B.O. He has this real, down to earth speech that is endearing.

Man, I really want to like Hillary. But she is a wolf in sheepskin.

I don't know, Adam. That sounded a little over-dramatic.

I don't know whether the stories about Hillary's vindictiveness are true, but let's assume for a moment they are. Does that make her scary?

Watching her campaign these last few weeks, which when you come down to it were the first few weeks - the 10-month run-up when no one was paying attention doesn't count - has been a real eye opener.

Its hard to be scared of Clinton when she seems so overwhelmed and, dare I say it, incompetent.

The Clintons need to unscrew this campaign fast. If they don't, the story line won't be how Obama unseated the Clinton machine, but instead it will be more along the lines of people trying to remember why they once thought she would be a strong contender. This campaign has become laughable.

and it's true, sen. clinton did vote to go to war in iraq. i googled and looked up her voting record and it's right there in black and white! and she's only co-authored one bill while being a senator. that's not enough experience for me and i really don't like all of her flip flops. for me there's a big question mark on her credibility. if she's capable in one debate of changing her mind in just afew short minutes how can i trust her. the clinton machine, as some call it, scares me too much.

Some poster queries Hillary's experience, after working along side her husband's administration in the Democrats' only 2 term presidency since Truman. So unless you preferred Republicans, that already was quite an accomplishment. On whether Hillary is "The One" let's see if Obama is the one first. Look at what a truth telling Mitt Romney had to say when confronted with the question.
This is a must see video for Obama supporters and Clinton supporters...see it at the 6:00 marker and then tell me what you think. It's the Republican narrative just getting started. Mitt wasn't following the good Obama bad Hillary GOP script, which is what is unusual about this. Plus Romney did his OPPO research already on all candidates.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS7zCXxhIjI

life is a bitch don't vote for one!!

So, Bill is implying that somehow Hillary has the experience to be President?

What exactly has Hillary done other than move to a state where she was more electible to become Senator?

What has she managed?
What has she lead?
What is her foreign policy experience?
What is her budget management exeperience?
What is her military experience?
What exactly has she been accountable for?

Seriously... Get real. Hillary is nothing more than a self serving opportunist with zero leadership skills and zero experience.

A despicable shame if clinton gets any state. Inexperienced, arrogant, and totally incompetent.

anyone notice hillary doesn't run on her record. because, of course, she has no record. she has achieved nothing of note while elected in senate. the whole clinton machine is running scared - like chickens with their heads cut off. and old bill is seeming like a liability - like someone that really needs to keep his mouth shut.

here's an 8 minute clip, uploaded today, of the Charlie Rose interview you're referring to. It includes many of the quotes you've transcribed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_45KK8jwJR0

Experience is not as important as sound judgment.

Hillary voted for the Iraq War, but her husband now says that he was always against that war. Looks like Hillary did not gain much from her so called years of experience when it came to making decisions on the matter of War or Peace.

She recently repeated her same flawed decision making process, when she voted for the Kyl/Lieberman Iran Warmongering resolution.

She has plenty of experience all right, and it looks like she has learned the wrong lessons from it.

I will take a person with less experience, but proven sound judgment, over a very experienced, bad decision maker, every time.

She is not a good leader. She recently has had to get rid of a number of her more senior campaign staff because they were engaging in smear spamming of an opponent, or trying to make him look like a drug freak.

If she can not lead and control her campaign staff, then she sure as hell is not up to the job of leading the entire nation.

I'll be up front and say it: I think Hillary is the single most repugnant person on the planet. A shallow, power-hungry manipulator with absolutely no values.

I can somewhat understand why die-hard liberals and Republican haters would support her as the inevitable. (Pathetic, desperate, and ill-advised; but I get it.)

What I don't get is how Bill Clinton gets the title of "the best politician" ever. Are you serious?

It's hard to argue that he was not the worst politician president of the modern era. His two-term presidency was plagued by scandal after scandal (real scandals folks; not the figment of the "right-wing attach machine"). His policies reversed history and handed Republicans a majority. Most of his notable accomplishments were actually those of New Gingrich and a Republican congress. Although you can fairly credit him with the largest middle-class tax hike in history. Oh, and his foreign policy was, like all Democrats, a naive and deplorable disaster that laid the foundation for the pickle Republicans are today trying to mop up (with absolutely no help from Dems; contrary, opposition from Dems). And let's remember that the entire time he governed, half of the country despised this guy. That makes him a great policitian? Oh yeah, and he was impeached. NOT for lying about sex, but for committing perjury, suborning perjury, and obstructing justice to protect his own pathetic self from a pretty credible sexual harassment case (corroborated by several others).

Let's stop lionizing Bill Clinton. He was an unmitigated disaster and an embarrassment to the USA. And sad as it is, each time he speaks we're reminded that Hillary does not even live up to his lousy standards.

The Clintons are has-beens, & the American people
are tired of seeing their faces or hearing their names!! Why can't they just "get it"!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/15/opinion/15sat3.html?ref=opinion&pagewanted=print

This is from the NYT. After all the Republican electoral chicanery, I can't believe Hillary is trying to muck around with the vote. And it's a double bonus. At the same time she is trying to suppress people who might vote against her, she's pandering to another portion of the electorate, like she's doing it for them.

This is just another disappointment in a long line of them from her. It's no coincidence that after she says it's time for the hard edge campaigning "fun" to start, she's been shamed into firing the co-head of her campaign in New Hampshire and two staffers in Iowa for smearing her opponent. And now this. Enough already. It's time for a change.

It's clear to me she doesn't learn from her mistakes. We'll see more of this if we elect her. Just like we saw her recent vote for Bush's warmongering proposition to declare part of the Iranian military enemy terrorists. You would think she would have learned from her mistake in voting to support Bush on the Iraq war. Nope

unscrupulous! liar! a phony! and there's a ton of other adjectives i could use. i hope saying these things makes it look like i'm a jerk i'm not. but i've been passionate about politics for thirty years and i've learned a thing or three. i study the candidates. i don't make a decision by what someone else says, that doesn't mean that i don't listen to others, i research their history as people, and politicians. bill clinton and hillary for twelve years basically ran arkansas. they had the run of the state and it wasn't all roses like they say. there was a truck load of corruption. i don't need to get into specifics i believe everyone knows the clinton's history. i think it's safe to say, and i'm not trying to insult anyone, both bill and hillary take a back seat to no one when it comes to being your average crooks. they did alot of dirty stuff while he was governor and too, while he was president. integrity for me means everything. it allows me to sleep at night and raise my children with a clear conscience. right now, it seems that obama for me seems the "right" choice.

Terri Schiavo's Brother on Euthanasia

As God fearing Americans all, you will know who to vote for after reading this article.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/zschineuth.HTM

Bill Clinton is absolutely correct, the media has two standards, one for Hillary and one for the rest of the field. They have targeted her just as they did Al Gore and John Kerry, corporate money is behind their thuggery.

Obama and Edwards started the negativity, but they get a free pass from the press. In fact the press pushed them to go negative, when she reciprocated they jumped down her throat.

The Media is in a large part responsible for the problems of this country today, from our rights being taken away to the war in Iraq. They could not wait to cover a war so they jumped on the Bush/Cheney bandwagon and hauled butt. They, the MSM, wanted to fire the big guns see the big bombs drop, it was disgraceful. The live and printed media were complicit in the Iraq war, they wanted "Shock and Awe". They were Bush's fools, They must share in the loss of lives and wealth of this country.

Now again they have decided to select the next Democratic nominee, well I don't think so, it is time to put the worthless media in their place. I will be damned if I will let some talking bozo tell me how to vote......

Yes Bill Clinton is right, they will take his words apart and turn them into whatever, and exclaim, "What is he saying"?. It's not what he is saying, it's what are these know-nothing talking bozo's like, Chris Matthews, Gloria Borgia, Wolf Blitzer and Tim Russert among others, WHAT ARE THEY SAYING?, why have they chosen to destroy the process by which we elect officals in this country?.......Why? Very simple really, they are a by-product of corporate greed...they are corporate greed.......and they are worthless.

HRC and Bubba are their own worst enemies. Not being able to handle anything even close to a tough question without crying foul, or talking around the question shows an inability to be a leader. Having your extremely unfaithful husband come to your rescue makes it seem even more lame. Repeating the word 'experience' is hollow, and repeating the word 'change' is also just as hollow. So at the end of the day you have somebody who can't directly defend her positions, needs her husband to try defend her, can't give direct examples about change and experience, and appears smug and condensending with her 'fingers down the chalk board' cackle. This, and her husband's soiling of the presidency, is the reason people do not like her.

I have only one question. Forget Hillary for the moment. Do not compare her side by site with Obama.
Just imagine he is our nominee and the Republicans start going after him for cocaine use, drivers licenses for illegal aliens, second amendment, higher taxes on social security, etc. Watch this interview of Mitt Romney telling us who Obama is--here the narrative that will replayed over and over before all the other negatives. How does Obame fare under this type of attack. I don't want BUYER'S REMORSE, do you? So check out this Hannity and Colmes interview a few days ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS7zCXxhIjI

Paul,
Everything you have printed about the Clinton's is a lie......you should know better. You are not an Obama supporter, you are a nasty Republican, a real nasty Rethuglican.

"Washington is a mean place and I am not sure Barack has the experience on the national level with the kind of rear, side and frontal attack the Republicans and corporations will have to attack him with, nor has he made the types of powerful connections politically that might help him through"
Geolee @ 5:54 AM

Look. It's right in front of your eyes. Obama has gone against the formidable Clinton machine which frustrated the Republicans for 8 years and he has them running scared. If they were the same beast fighting each other, I would say toss a coin. The difference for me is in direction. While Clinton seems to me to be ambitious about her entitlement, and hey, politics will never change anyway, Obama reveals that he is more focused on righting this American ship that is listing badly and taking water. It is the theme that premeates everything he says, intentioanl or not.

Oh, fiddlesticks, Honest Abe. No other couple has dominated and used the media as adroitly as the Clintons. They've hired producers to help them "act" their way out of tight spots. Hillary, sporting a headband and a pageboy, implying that she was going to stand by her man remains an indelible image. They USE the media; if they're now suffering some backlash, surely it's divine retribution.

The Obama part is at marker 6:00

If want to hear what Mitt has to say about religion, watch the whole thing from the beginning.

This will blow you away. It says it all.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS7zCXxhIjI

(His) foreign policy experience is pretty much confined to having had breakfast once at the International House of Pancakes." Pat Buchanan, about Bill Clinton, at the 1992 Republican National Convention.

About Bill Clinton - "This is not the time for on-the-job training for an amateur."(Richard G. Lugar Washington Post, Aug. 17, 1992)

"And Clinton said the notion that experience led the politicians to sanction the Iraq War is "absurd."

"That's like saying that because 100% of the malpractice cases are committed by doctors, the next time I need surgery, I'll get a chef or a plumber to do it."


What a silly analogy. When a cadre of doctors make a wrong diagnosis and then administer the wrong treatment, you get a second opinion--preferably by someone who knew the diagnosis was wrong in the first place!

How vividly I remeber all the Reagan bashing once he started running...called him a stupid Hollywood Cow bboy...can't run country..were the Press surprised...they went into a deep depression. Old Huck may surprise them again.

Clinton and Obama both are not qualified to be President. They don't have the experience that Eddwards, Richardson or Dodd has.. These three men would make great Presidents. I can't believe the Democrats are probably going to choose Obama, and the Republicans are probably going to choose Huckabee. Looks like I'll be staying home on election day.... :(

Bill's right, next time I need surgery, I'll have the surgeon's wife do it. In his analogy, Obama is not the chef or the plumber, he's the young hot shot surgeon out of Harvard who has better skills and understands the new practice methods. That can certainly be more valuable than experience.

mario, i wish it were my friend. i try not to pre-judge anyone. as far as what i've said about the clinton's, i think you may be in denial and it appears that your in the minority. and let me ask you a question. do we know each other? how do you know that i don't support abama. that's why i preceded my opinion by saying that i learn as much as i can about the candidates before making up my mind. i would suggest that you do the same!

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The Obama part is at marker 6:00

If want to hear what Mitt has to say about religion, watch the whole thing from the beginning.

This will blow you away. It says it all.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS7zCXxhIjI

I am encouraged by the number of democrats who have expressed disdain for the candidacy of Hillary Clinton. It proves that they refuse to be deceived (again) by the Great American Lie … that the Clintons are somehow more qualified and capable than anyone else.

Recently, Bubba called his wife “the most gifted person of our generation.” What utter BS! What arrogance! This whole notion that Hillary is head and shoulders above the rest of us - that she a towering intellect - is just not supported by any factual analysis. The only thing she has proven is her ability to memorize lines and deliver stock answers to carefully anticipated questions. She is not a quick thinker, not good on her feet. Witness her disastrous answer to the driver’s license question in Philadelphia and her campaign’s maniacal insistence on controlling the environment that surrounds her every move – audience plants, media inspired questions passed off as impromptu, etc. In short, Hillary Clinton is the most insidiously contrived politician in my memory.

and i must say the "rethuglican" is abit corny. you can do better.

If a picture tells a thousand words, then the photo of Hillary whispering in Bills ear with both their eyes intensely focused on the same object tells a long story. Obama has to be proud of his accomplishments against the gears in those heads and what they are capable of thinking up

The "experience argument" that Bill keeps making is really just another way of saying, "If you vote for Hillary, you get me." Let's face it; Bill is Hillary's trump card. He was a popular president and would have been elected to a third term had it been possible.

However, I don't think the argument works. When the general election campaign rolls around, Hillary's going to have to run on her own record. And so many people just don't like her. She has higher negatives than any other Democratic candidate (last number I saw was 49%), which is an extraordinary burden to overcome. Hillary will hold the Democratic vote, but she'll split the independents, most of whom will probably go to the Republican. This puts the Republican in office.

Obama has real crossover appeal, he has the kind of experience that matters, and he'll transform the country's political landscape in ways that no other candidate can. In every poll I've seen, he stomps all the Republican candidates (with the exception of McCain, who he ties). He's a liberal candidate who doesn't threaten moderates (or even some conservatives). This is exactly who we need after 8 years of the Bush wrecking ball.

For the skinny on Romney, this is one of the best profiles written. Ryan Lizza does an amazing job of real reporting.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/10/29/071029fa_fact_lizza?printable=true

Obama supporters are kids or a herd? Well guess what? They will be voting so shut up about the supporters and concentrate on the candidates. I want Hillary to win in the primary's. I'm a proud Repug (LOL) and know that she cannot win the presidency.

Obama, said he will meet with "Muslim leaders" in his first year un office not "Arab leaders". Anyone else find that strange?

I am encouraged by the number of democrats who have expressed disdain for the candidacy of Hillary Clinton. It proves that they refuse to be deceived (again) by the Great American Lie … that the Clintons are somehow more qualified and capable than anyone else.

Recently, Bubba called his wife “the most gifted person of our generation.” What utter BS! What arrogance! This whole notion that Hillary is head and shoulders above the rest of us - that she a towering intellect - is just not supported by any factual analysis. The only thing she has proven is her ability to memorize lines and deliver stock answers to carefully anticipated questions. She is not a quick thinker, not good on her feet. Witness her disastrous answer to the driver’s license question in Philadelphia and her campaign’s maniacal insistence on controlling the environment that surrounds her every move – audience plants, media inspired questions passed off as impromptu, etc. In short, Hillary Clinton is the most insidiously contrived politician in my memory.

Sooo! Hillary was a great MOM??? Wait till the story breaks on Chelsea...it's a dirty little secret now but it won't be

Do the Obama fans out there realize his planned political staff is largely made up of ex Clinton staffers?

I think its amazing how little voters know about their candidate of choice. My only hope is they realize the next president will be a Dem, and the best pick is Edwards, Richardson, Biden, or Dodd.

Let me get this Straight. Ahab Clinton wants us to believe that Jezzabel Clinton is the candidate of choise. They both need to get a life..before they go to HELL !!!

I'd like to read a well researched article on how the Clintons influenced the Iowa primary in the '04 race. Did they support the demise of Dean, were they complicit with Gephart and the media in bringing that about, did they pour in all their money, staff, and influence to swing caucus voters to Kerry, and were they counting on Kerry losing to Bush? These have always been rumors, and I'd like to know one way or the other if the Clinton's were, even back then, preparing the way for Hillary's run in '08.

This interview with Bill MUST have been planned and rehearsed (not by Charlie Rose, but by the Clinton camp.)Bill NEVER makes a political move that isn't calculated. If his staff was trying to close down the interview, you can bet it was a planned tactic, to excite comment about Bill "losing it" and highlight how unfairly he believes Hillary is being treated by Obamna and the press.

Mike wrote: "Clinton and Obama both are not qualified to be President. They don't have the experience that Eddwards, Richardson or Dodd has.. These three men would make great Presidents. I can't believe the Democrats are probably going to choose Obama, and the Republicans are probably going to choose Huckabee. Looks like I'll be staying home on election day.... "

Mike, we need more morons like you to stay home on election day. For you to say that an ambulance chasing trial lawyer like John Edwards has the experience to be pres. is completely idiotic. Please refrain from anymore comments on this board. You are spreading your lack of intellect to the rest of the readers.

Only fools will vote for Hillary -- - Can't you idiots see through her ??? - -
Her husband had his chance to straighten out the mess in Washington- - And what did he do besides show a poor example to the youth and people of this country by his sex exploiots --- Do you want more "Cliton rule" If you believe that she is for the poor and middle class then you are crazy.She is "TOO POLISHED" of a polition as she had her eye on the presidency way back when the bought a home in New York.
ONLY OBAMA IS REAL - - - -

State legislature! State legislature, folks! Don't tell me about Abe Lincoln -- he was the exception to the rule; how can you make important decisions based on a century-and-a-half old exception? Truth is, none of the three Democrats commanding the race have enough experience to be pres -- by my count:

-Obama, 2 yrs US Senator before beginning campaign (I'm being generous)
-Edwards, 2-4 yrs US Senator (mostly absentee) before campaigning for either pres or VP (btw, what's he been doing since he finished his one term in office? Does anyone know? Does anyone care?)
-Clinton, 6 yrs US Senator before beginning campaign (I'm being very generous)

Truth is, Bill's right -- Biden, Richardson, and Dodd all have the experience necessary, but they've bombed so who cares?

Why is the press not talking about Shrillary's lesbian past or her current lez fling with her handler Huma? Do we really want a dude like Hillary in the office? Do we need a Lezident of the United States?

Could someone please repeat Hillary's Driver's License Answer. What did she say?

Can we please start the voting so we can get rid of the Clintons once and for all!

The thing that republicans love about the Obama/Hillary conflict is that, if either gets the Dem nomination, neither has a chance against any of the republican candidates in the national election. They are both inexperienced, divisive and without vision for the future of the country. The qualified dems are being shoved into the background by the media, except for Edwards, who is way too slick, inexperienced, and populist (read, 'socialist') to have any chance of being nominated.

Mr Cigar Clinton gives out interviews and during such interviews he says he knows he will be taken out of context. He is covering his behind so when people hear what he says he denies it because he is a victim. For years there has been only the liberal media to cover or coverup our liberal Dems, fortunately there are other avenues to get the news. One other point, the guy who said oil was 30 dollars barrel 6 years ago must have been on something.

Quoting Susan E:
"This interview with Bill MUST have been planned and rehearsed (not by Charlie Rose, but by the Clinton camp.)Bill NEVER makes a political move that isn't calculated. If his staff was trying to close down the interview, you can bet it was a planned tactic, to excite comment about Bill "losing it" and highlight how unfairly he believes Hillary is being treated by Obamna and the press."

You may well be right, Susan; I don't think either of them have ever made an un-rehearsed move, yet this is another example of a Clinton calculatioin gone haywire. Bill does indeed sound like he's "losing it," but why is this a good strategy? He can't be the political sage and teeter on the brink at the same time. Hillary can't be the pre-emptive leader and yet show--again and again--how little she can control.

After reading all the posts above I am just struck with the thought that there aren't any good candidates once again for the Dems. Hillary is a potential disaster, Obama is impressive in terms of personal character but it would be insane to have someone with so little experience running the country and Edwards, a trial lawyer, is just simply not presidential material. Is it time to bring Kerry back?

...for Bush to get close enough to steal the election

Just reading the comments on this page reminds me how much the Democrat Party is filled with delusional conspiracy theorists and America-haters. The scary thing is that if America is bent on electing another Democrat to the presidency, Hillary is the best in the bunch.

I am always fascinated by the vitriol thrown back and forth amongst those tied to pushing one candidate or another. However, it is pretty irrelevant when it comes to decision-making time in the voting booth for me.

One of the things I look for are signs during a campaign of how a candidate for whatever public office responds under pressure. Often times it simply becomes a process of elimination as campaigns tend to crack as easily as their candidate.

For example, here in Virginia during the last Senate campaign it was pretty simple in the end to choose Jim Webb over George Allen.

Likewise, during this race for President it is becoming increasingly clear that Obama has it and Clinton does not. It is not about celebrity endorsements or theories about exactly what "experience" qualifies one or the other. Rather it is how the candidate can handle both themselves and their campaign during the process.

What I see happening is an unnerved Clinton campaign throwing up everything and anything hoping something will stick. As more and more surrogates (including Bill) are trotted out to attempt to staunch the bleeding, all I see is a candidate that through her campaign (both in style and in substance) is not, in fact, ready to assume the mantle of the Presidency.

So, no - it is in fact, not a "roll of the dice", but a careful analysis of the candidate's leadership qualities.

It's just so simple. No more Bush's, no more Clinton's. Let the Hatfields and McCoys fight it on on the best seller list and make a mint doing it. I could care less as long as it doesn't effect my life anymore.

It's time to start to work together. There is no way on this green earth that a Clinton in the White House will contribute to this goal.

If you want years more of bickering and fighting and nothing being accomplished, vote for Hillary. If you want PROGRESS, vote for anyone else on either side of the isle or the man on the moon as far as I am concerned.

Oh, and a message to Clinton supporters:

Stop name calling everyone who disagrees with her as some kind of right wing nut! It's insulting, short sided, and exactly what Hillary does every time she wants to deflect issues from her. If you want us to dislike her more, just keep it up.

Face it, your candidate voted for the war, supports the war by continuing to fund it, says she will continue the war if elected, likes Nafta, was on Walmart's board of directors for 6 years while they busted union movements, and screwed up the idea of healthcare reform so bad that we have had none for over 12 years. THAT is her real record.

I know it's hard to believe but the reality is that Bill's not running. The Bush/Clinton era is finally over --- thank GOODNESS!

My how things have changed in one regard but not another. It FINALLY has sunk in and/or being admitted that the Clintons were manipulative trash. Whoa, how we tried to get you "enlightened" ones to see the truth about the Clintons for years. It was exhausting!

Now you guys are considering another Clinton for President? I only want to say two words concerning that. Utter disbelief!

The only thing the entire Democrat field of candidates has ever run are their respective mouths. Bill Clinton is pontificating and he could never get more than 49% of the vote in the elections he won! Who has he ever helped get elected besides himself? Even so, the media runs to stand in line to dutifully hump his leg. Neither Bill nor the media will decide who and how anyone wins the nominations or the general election. This is all just political masterbation.

Osama Bin-laden, Obama Barak. Coincidence? I think not. :)

>>Obama, said he will meet with "Muslim leaders" in his first year un office not "Arab leaders". Anyone else find that strange?
Posted by John Romano | December 15, 2007 1:22 PM

From this date forward, let no U.S. citizen who is a potential voter, ever view the Bill Clinton signature tongue lolling, lip pursing, planned pause before making vapid self serving statements, without wondering from which skank this disgraced former President may have been infected with an incurable case of herpes of the mouth.
Since Hillary's mother has been thrust into the
political scene one may now ask this dear woman if she is truly proud of her son-in-law's documented sexual addictive womanizing conduct that reveals disdain for his wife he intimately
embraces publically/politically while the cameras roll.
Bill Clinton Tongue roll, Bill Clinton lip pursing, planned pause = skank from past?

Why blame Islam?


Individuals, not religions, carry out inhuman acts.

Islam is a religion of peace, accepted and practiced by more than 1.25 billion people worldwide. It is the fastest-growing religion in the world, and if it was what some critics claim, why should the people from all walks of life from around the world keep embracing Islam? Where is the sword now?

In Islam, a person has the right to defend himself, his family, his country or his neighbor(s), which justifies the resistance being offered by the people of Afghanistan, Bosnia, Chechnya, Iraq, Kashmir and Palestine, to attacks on their soils by the so-called liberators, who are actually the occupiers.

The Holy Qur’an clearly states that if a person saves one life, it’s as if he saved humanity, and if a person kills one human being, it’s as if he killed humanity.

What is happening in the enslaved Muslim countries is a natural reaction to occupation, bombings, killing and terrorizing of innocent civilians (children, old men and women), rapes, in addition to looting of resources, national antiques and artifacts, above all destruction of property by the occupiers.

Terror breeds terror.

We assure those who bash Islam that if there was no occupation in this world by foreign invaders, there would be no resistance – the so-called terror.

We would like those who criticize Islam to explain the following acts committed by the Christians on Jews, other Christians and Muslims alike, throughout history:

- Hundreds of thousands of Muslim men, women and children killed by the crusaders, who were Christians.

- Inquisition of Jews and Muslims from Spain by Queen Isabella, a Christian.

- Millions of people killed by the European and American Christians during the two world wars.

- Atrocities committed on millions of Jews and Christians by Adolph Hitler, a professed Christian.

- Hundreds of thousands of Christians killed every year by the Irish Christians, including the British and the IRA, both Catholics and Protestants, during the past few centuries. Why are they not blamed to be “Christian Terrorists?”

Both of them believe in Jesus Christ, who told them to turn the other cheek, and both of them believe in the same Lord, Who commanded that “Thou shall not kill.” Period.

- Timothy McVeigh, who bombed the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, was a Catholic. Are all Catholics terrorists?

Last but not least, the bombings, killings, rapings and lynchings of both American Indians and black slaves (Afro-Americans) during the past 200 years in the United States.
What about them?

Will those filled with hate for Islam blame Christianity for the above inhuman acts by Christians in various parts of the world since its inception?

If not, then why are they blaming the religion of Islam for what is a natural reaction to occupation of Muslim countries by foreign invaders?

Most importantly, these folks should know that the three great Abrahamic religions – Judaism, Christianity and Islam – have one common basis, and that is one God Almighty.

“All men (and women) are created equal, and we all are one nation under Almighty God,” is a statement according to the Holy Qur’an and is very well elucidated in the U.S. Constitution.

Lastly, yet importantly, as brothers in humanity, we recommend those filled with hate get an education in the history of Islam and Muslims, before they dare to write nasty letters full of personal, ingrain hate and vendetta.

We would be pleased to provide anyone with free copies of the Holy Qur’an and Islamic literature in English, which would help them to understand the truth about Islam and Muslims and get rid of hate from their systems, God willing.

May God Almighty show you the light, Amen.

The Clintonistas, are simply a childish, petulant bunch of lemmings who, like their fat ass candidate, have a sense of entitlement and can't stand it when someone disagrees or favors a real Democrat like Kucinich.

The Clinton's are like a STD that will not go away. Obama is a breath of fresh air compared to the Clinton's tactics of hiring operatives to search and destroy any opponent that challenges their dynasty. Go Obama!

I hope this pencil-neck eats one too many bongo-burgers and hits the big eighty-six.

He's a disingenuous liar who is defending an incompetent, waffling 2nd term politician with NO other experience in government and NO "position" on ANY issue that isn't liable to change tomorrow...

Oh, and BTW, Who was it who signed us onto NAFTA?

Clinton-Obama-Biden-whoever(d), I couldnt care less. I wont sit here and pretend to know the hearts and future positions of people I don't even know and will never meet. That didnt work for the republicans with Dumya either.

I just want a democrat to win as the GOP has been a disaster. I dont drink any campaigns Kool-aid and they better not shit on our chances with their self-interested horseshit.

my father worked at the governors mansion in arkansas when bill was the gov and i can tell you some horror stories. the demeaning way that he would treat women was appalling. jennifer flowers! he was foul mouthed and obnoxious to just about everyone. one afternoon while my dad was working, he was a gardner for the state, dad was pulling some plants that mrs. clinton didn't like around in the back of the place and here came bill yelling at some aides and asking why the hell the g-damn car wasn't there. he said, get your f--king ass out there and get it now. the way that he treated people was absolutely disrrepectful. my dad said that they were just demanding type people and it was their way or the highway.

To Saturn's Child:

I'm 41 and college educated. I've never missed a vote since I was 18. I pay attention to politics and have since I first voted in 1984. I knew my vote this time around would come down to either Hillary or Obama. The default, establishment candidate or someone with energy, fresh ideas and a chance to shake things up in Washington and finally get something done for the people rather than corporate interests.

So I started doing my research and found that Hillary is more of the same. We'd be switching W's corporate interests for Hillary's and we'd have another four years at least of gridlock and fighting. I looked at the experience issue, to see if it would be a liability for Obama and determined that he had more elected legislative experience than Hillary - almost twice as much.

Then I looked at what they've accomplished as U.S.senators since that's they're only head-to-head matchup and once again determined that Obama has accomplished more in half the time that Hillary has. I'm talking about substantive legislation that affects the nation rather than just constituents in their respective home states. Obama has AUTHORED and passed more substantive bills in half the time than Hillary has. It seemed to me that Hillary was sitting back and doing busy work while plotting her run for the White House. You know, can't go too far either to the left or the right. Have to triangulate and get ready for the general. She figured she'd cruise to the nomination and suck up every last dollar out there. The Obama came along and upset her money cart and she and Bill just can't handle it.

You say Obama willlose in a landslide? You show how naive and inexperienced you are to use a Hillary attack. Hillary's negatives have stayed the same throughout the campaign while Obama's positive have risen across the board and across the nation. Have more than 300 Iowans or New Hampshire Republicans come out publicly to pledge that they will caucus or vote for Hillary? Nope. They have for Obama. Is there a RepublicansforHillary Web site? Nope. There is a republicansforobama.com site and they have a large membership. So I don't see your landslide happening. Whomever becomes the Democratic nominee will likely win. Hillary will have a more difficult time of that than Obama.

As far as accusing Obama supporters as being neophytes, you are really off-base and just plain wrong. I'll debate you anywhere, any place. I'll match my political savvy and knowledge with yours anywhere any place. Maybe Ambinder can set something up on this site, a way for you and I to debate on Obama vs. Clinton. In the meantime, in your debate prep, please list for me Hillary's experience. I need a list of her accomplishments as a U.S. senator, her substantive AUTHORED bills that have made it into law. I know it'll be impossible to quantify her other 29 years of experience because she locked up her papers. But try anyway. Lots of people will be curious to see what those experiences are. I'm looking forward to this.

The Clintons are not the smartest politicians on the planet...sick of hearing this tripe like it's some kind of compliment.

The Clinton Family is just the most blatantly TWO FACED (Make that EIGHT FACED) SLIPPERY, that the press and power structure allows to have a PASS. That's because most of them are somehow tied to their money network... that's right I said MONEY--translated--favors, positions, jobs, conglomerations, legal alliances.

So stop with "Clinton's magical brain," he's no more talented than a pimp who can talk his way into creating a stable of about a dozen prostitutes.

To Janie:

It's difficult to repeat Hillary's comment on driver's licenses because she vacillated so much. Initially, she said she agreed with NY governor Spitzer's idea to legalize driver's licenses for illegal immigrants. Then, after Senator Dodd, sharply disagreed with the issue, she stated, "I just want to add, I did not say that it should be done, but I certainly recognize why Governor Spitzer is trying to do it." Finally, in response to another comment by Senator Dodd, Hillary Clinton vacillated again, this time coming up with a plan that Dodd remarked would be a "bureaucratic nightmare." It was at that point that Edwards said, "Unless I missed something, Senator Clinton said two different things in the course of about two minutes. America is looking for a president who will say the same thing, who will be consistent, who will be straight with them." Obama concurred and stated he couldn't tell whether Hillary was for it [licenses for illegals'] or against it.

It a stellar moment in politics. My husband, who hadn't been watching the debates or following politics at all, walked in during Hillary's answer, and said, "What in the heck was that?"

I'm a registered Independent, and so far have made only one decision about the upcoming election ... no more Clintons, no more Bushes. It was an interesting interview to watch, though. Clinton is a wily, fiercely partisan politican; Rose in an intelligent, persistent interviewer.

It's sad how power-hungry the Clintons are. They are driven by polls because they have no message or ideology other than what people want to hear. Thus, they get discouraged whenever Hillary takes a slide in the polls. It's not about furthering democratic principles, it's about power--winning.

As a contrast, look at Ron Paul. He has little chance of winning the Republican nomination, yet his message has electrified a grass-roots movement over which he exerts no control but which has brought in millions of dollars for him. When asked by the press what his ideal outcome would be, he of course says "to win," but adds that getting out the message of liberty and limited government is great too.

Ron Paul is not discouraged by polls, because he actually stands for something. Obama is closer to this than Hillary.

Clinton is a wily, fiercely partisan politican;

Yeah, but which party? Look at the accomplishments, look at the results. Bill Clinton was a more Republican President than Richard Nixon.

Hillary has very little experience. This idea of being the wife of a president is a qualification to be president is crazy!

All I remember about Hillary the first wife, is how she toured the country saying allegations about her husband being an adulterer was a "right wing conspiracy".

I can't wait for that haughty bitch to lose.

The Clintons don't realize that the average voter really cares little about how much Washington experience a candidate has given the partisan gridlock that has plagued Washington going back to the Clinton presidency. I would much prefer a candidate with fresh ideas and experience outside of the Washington arena to Hillary, Dodd, Biden, etc. Let us not forget that Lincoln's Washington experience consisted for a whole 1 year as a U.S. House Representative !

The Clinton machine want's America to turn a blind eye to the glaringly obvious fact that Hillary, so far as a Presidential candidate goes, has 0 formatable experience. The campaign has long been trying to convince us otherwise.

She's not alone in this race, however, and whoever the nominee is will definately have to rival that issue considering how many on the other side have real executive experience... just like former Gov. Clinton did.

If you watched the whole interview with Charlie Rose it was great. President Clinton is a brilliant man, gosh I miss that. I hope his equally brilliant wife makes it to President. Obama is bright, but after saying he wouldn't go negative and going negative first I think he is a bit of a hypocrite.

Plus he talks about change and then waits until Clinton, Edwards, Dodd, Biden and Richardson come up with ideas and uses them to formulate his own. He really is as someone said "a puppy". But he has the press. No way would any other candidate Republican or Democrat get away with destroying all of their Senate papers and the press not jumping all over him. They never question him on anything, I guess he's their Golden Boy.


He's completely on the mark. Hillary only briefly was in the lead in Iowa, and that wasn't by very much. She doesn't need to finish first there or even in New Hampshire to take the nomination, because of her strength across the board. Obama, on the other hand, needs to win one or both those states to stay competitive. Edwards has to win Iowa or else he's pretty much out.

my father worked at the governors mansion in arkansas when bill was the gov and i can tell you some horror stories.

A couple of weeks after Clinton announced his run for the presidency, I turned down an offer from a friend to meet Bill and Hillary at Dallas Love Field and ride with them in the limo to the hotel. She knew that I had met several "friends of Bill," had had dealings with the Arkansas government, and that I knew two women who had had affairs with Clinton while governor.

I told her that, while meeting them would be interesting, he was an unelectable crook and it wasn't worth my time. I was right about the crook part but wrong about the unelectable part. I'm still kicking myself on blowing that opportunity -- it would have made a great story about riding in a limo with the most corrupt president in American history.

Can anyone tell me what the hell he (Clinton) is talking about? Nothing he says in the arcticle makes sense. He's an incoherent, blathering idiot and always has been. I can't believe some people think he's intelligent, but some people will believe what they want to believe.

In the Charlie Rose interview, Bill repeats the lie that he did not run in 1988 because he felt he was too inexperienced. Here are two accounts that dispute his claims:

From a review of Carl Bernstein's book A Woman in Charge"

http://www.augustfalling.com/index.php?s=holed

Bill Clinton, candidate
Bill Clinton always had his eye on the Presidency. It was where he could do the most good. He considered running in 1988, but decided against it. One issue was the amount of time it would take away from his family life–both he and Hillary were determined to be good parents. The real reason, though, was that at that time, his problems with women would have sunk his campaign.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/10/obama-clinton-e.html

Obama, Clinton, Experience
01 Oct 2007 09:50 am

Bob Reich counters the Clintons on the experience question:

While I can understand Bill Clinton's eagerness to undermine his wife's most significant primary opponent, he is not, I believe, completely ingenuous. I happened to talk with him in 1988 before he decided not to run, and also in 1991 before he decided to run the following year. His calculation at both times was decidedly rational and entirely political, based on whether he could win.

Pam,

Sorry, but your gushing commentary about Clintons just doesn't ring true. Are you sure that's your agenda? If so, forgive me and take comfort in the today's NY Daily News headline: "Hillary vows not to quit."

Clinton fatigue would render Hillary vulnerable even to Huckabee. It's time for the Clintons to retire before they do serious damage to the Democratic party. They are not trustworthy.

It's enormously satisfying to see Hillary Clinton fail on the campaign trail. I have pounded the table for 3 years that she would be making a huge, personal mistake to run for President, as her talents are highly suited to the legislative, not the executive. So it was inevitable that once her jet-plane landed on the ground, where she would get face to face with real voters, all the name recognition and high-profile advantages would disappear. Hillary's failure was as easy to spot two years ago, as was Bill's success two years before he clocked Bush Sr, in the 1992 election.

Some people have it. Some don't.

But what I never imagined happening is that the Clinton's would blow themselves up, and make Hillary's lack of political talent a subordinate explanation, for her failure. All the sleazeballs from the Gore campaign I see are inside the Hillary Campaign. But of course this Rose interview with Bill is just mind-blowing.

The bottom line is that Hillary is a dud. Her failure to connect with voters is not a criticism of her as a person. Like Gore, she's just in the wrong line of work, trying to run for President. She is a DEEPLY senatorial personality, and should ply here trade there for many years to come.

The real talent is Obama, the guy I picked starting in November of last year, to get the nomination. Once again, my predictions are right on schedule.

So satisfying!

Hillary's biggest accomplishment: entrusting George Bush with war power.

Obama's accomplishments: fighting for people's communities on the ground, soothing rancor at the Harvard Law Review, giving up a corporate law career to fight for peoples civil rights, teaching constitutional law, passing excellent and needed legislation in Illiniois, helping cutting government waste, keep Russian nukes secure and numerous other bills in the Senate.

Can we afford to roll the dice on Hillary again?

What experience??? She has none. She didn't even have the guts to run for senator in her home state. She knew she would be defeated. Her only experience is lagging behind hubby's coattails. And it is very obvious that she can't be who she really is. When she tries, she sticks her foot in her mouth. And she mistakenly underestimates the intelligence of the average voter. We can see the smoke and mirrors. Her early high poll ratings were media hype. Who cares about national polls? They don't matter in a general election. Same with the popular vote. Test her amongst LIKELY voters. Vote these 60's dinosaurs out and let's get something done.

President Clinton needs to be shut off in a room somewhere. Someone send him to a 24 hour strip club or something because if he doesn't shut up and quit whining publicly like this he is going to tank Hillary. Personally I think he secretly doesn't want her to be President. It may not be overt but something subconscious.

I personally think Hillary would make a better President than he did. I think she has grown beyond her petty angry persona of the past. However she is dragging a lead weight in a husband who nearly destroyed the Democratic party leading to the biggest losses in generations and the complete take over of both houses by Republicans.

I think that the more people see Clinton and wake to the memory of what those years were really like waking up every day to Travel office fisaco, FBI files on political enemies, Vince Foster, the endless Bimbos coming out of the woodwork, and Arkansas hacks like Jocelyn Elders being elevated to make fools of themselves and the Democrat party.

Clinton is going to be lucky to win anything if she doesn't separate herself from the buffoon she has as a husband.

WHO IN THE HELL IS BILL CLINTON TALKING ABOUT!??
OBAMA HAS HELD ELECETED OFFICE FOR 11 YEARS!
(4 more than Hillary!)
I AM FED UP WITH THE UNDERHANDED, SUGGESTIVE, MISLEADING BS OF THE CLINTONS!
Posted by julie

Oh, please. There are between 1500 and 2000 State senators in the USA, most doing it as a part-time job. I have 8 years as an elected representative of a large town, making me part of the other 98,000 elected representatives on town, county, state general supervisory and legislative boards. No one has ever considered them executive positions, except a core of 4-5 senior leaders in house and senate Assemblies. Or considered town rep or state rep the prep one needs to be ready to be President. And outside those 38,000-40,000 such Americans you have the actual serious elected executives in governors, AGs, mayors of large populations - plus appointed professional executives.

Obama and Hillary! backers arguing who is more qualified miss the point. Neither are. Nor is Edwards. None of the 3 has private exec or military officer/NCO experience. And Richardson, who is a successful exec, has come across as a bumbling graduate of special ed..

And I don't think the public is buying the Hillary was Co-Governor and Co-President argument. Not when all the documentation of what she was doing when Bill arrived at major decisions, what memos or meeting minutes confirmed or discredited her claims are ....ummm...under the control of a Mr Bill Clinton in accordance with the Presidential Records Act and he has not let any scholar or journalist check into the Co-Governor, Co-President story the Clintons tell.

It IS pretty shocking, but again the Dems are fielding weaker candidates than they should. They have hugely successful mayors, a half dozen excellent governors, ex-military officers and somehow have come up with 3 gems.

A vain trial lawyer with about 2 years in the Senate when he wasn't campaigning for President or VP.
A hyped up young man who has never been in an executive position in his life, or even a full-time job in the private sector. Who touts his Seinfeldian theory that he is all about nothing, except audacity and hope - and that is what makes him wise and gives him better judgement because when the nation waited with bated breath for the Oracle of Springfield Illinois to decide if war was good or bad in 2003, he voted as Jan Shadowsky ordered him to. Against the War!

And we have the Potemkin in Pantsuits, who asks us to believe she is a great executive without furnishing a shred of documentary proof she was not a mere First Lady like Laura and Nancy or Jackie - but effective Co-Governor and Co-President who had knowledge of all things and a firm grasp and say on all decisions (except where Bill went at night in Little Rock and who visited him alone in the White House.)

On credentials, at least, even Pastor Huckleberry stands like a giant next to the Dem "Big Three".

The most electable Democrate is Edwards, hands down. The most competent is Biden.
The only way Clinton could win is if there is a third party candidate. Remember, Bill only got 43% of the vote in 1992 and with the strongest economy since the 80's under him and no wars, he only got 49% in 1996.
In 1994 after two years of Clinton, the Republicans took over the Senate for the first time since 1982 and took over the House for the first time since 1956!! It wasn't until 2006 that the democrats were able to get both houses back. That's 12 years of Republican Congress!
If Obama gets the nomination he will lose to any Republican front runner except for Huckabee. If it's Huckabee vs Obama there will be a third party run and if that person is serious and normal the third party candidate will win.

We need Hillary Clinton or any democrat to win these election. Muslim must gain more majority in US of A and under evil repupiglican we cannot! Allah akhbar! Long live the Mujahadeen and all the followers of the holy Jihad. Allah Akhbar.


The Christian God, Ywah, and Allah are NOT the same God.

The Jewish and Christian God is the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob and is a triune God.

Allah is NOT.

As usual its all about him. I'm sick to death of the Clintons. I wish they would just go away and stay away. What an awful couple.

When Bill talks about the Mrs. being the best candidate, he doesn't use any concrete facts about her experience. Just opinion. The experience is his alone. I'm inclined to think that someone wants to be President by proxy.

Remember the word trust? Bill couldn't be trusted and forthright to his wife nor the American people. She is even worse. Their past activities and acquaintances resemble a string bad train wrecks--from mistresses to Whitewater to jailed buddies to dead buddies. Didn't the media circus of daily sleaze and the legal expenses in the $Millions teach the voters anything? I couldn't have the morning news on in my classroom during his administration without the students being bombarded with news about the US President and oral sex, etc. I'm suppose to teach respect for a leader like the that? And the word "is" means? Hello!! Hillary is vicious and devisive. Trust her? Never!
Power hungry couple in cahoots at our and American's expense--again.

Dickenson,

It's my opinion after watching the show. I noticed you brought up Hillary's vacillating on the licensing of illegals....funny but didn't Obama do exactly the same thing in the next debate? It happens to the best of them.

You have your opinions and I have mine. Nice country we live in that thank goodness we are starting to speak up again after so many years of people afraid to speak for fear of being called unpatriotic.

Enjoy your day. *hugs*

If Hillary gets the nomination and loses in the general election I foresee divorce lawyers pulling up in a driveway in Chappaqua...fingers crossed.

The Clintonistas, are simply a childish, petulant bunch of lemmings who, like their fat ass candidate, have a sense of entitlement and can't stand it when someone disagrees or favors a real Democrat like Kucinich.
Posted by pesfb

Ugh! I forgot about Kucinich, boy mayor of Cleveland. Along with Dodd, Biden, Richardson Dennis alone has more executive experience than the Big 3 put together.
Unfortunately, the guy is off in the nut wings with Ron Paul, Tancredo, Mike Gravel, and Allan Keyes.

i've read some of the puke opinions by the loonie left dems and please, don't take this the wrong way but after all the many years that i've been involved with politics i've learned one thing and it remains the same today as it will for the next two hundred years. liberals are idiots with a capital "m" as in morons. unscrupulous, morally vacuous, no principles, no values and just your everyday gutter slime. why, why else could anyone in their right mind ever consider voting for the likes of bubba bill or hitlery rotten clinton. and duh, uh, i uh, don't uh, think uh, that she had, uh, anything to do, uh, with saying that, uh, obama, uh, did drugs, uh, uh, i tink!!

Oh man! Don't you guys dare elect Hillary as your candidate. The thought of having the Clintons back in the Whitehouse is soooo repulsive. What is it with you people. Don't you get it!! They're trash and always have been.

The political Right attacked them because they had so much to expose.

Hey buddy, you can't sleep in the park. Oh, it's you Vincent...ahh Vincent are you sleeping? Oh that's right...you had all the dirt on the Clintons so you had to be killed for it!

Come on people!! Figure it out, do we want the Clintons in the Whitehouse again. Do we have to shield our kids from watching the news again if they get elected?

Dear Phil,

Been watching Bill O'Reilly and reading Ann Coulter again?

You're involved in politics? Must be a Republican speech writer. With the language you used I'd say you're the loony. All the name calling and nothing to back it up with, better go read Ann Coulter and come back with one of her quotes.

It's fine to disagree, but usually people do so for a reason. You just seem extremely hateful and angry. Anger management might be the answer.

eorse...
Thats your solution..."I am not voting at all"?
That should make you all the MORE eager to vote.
I can tell by your post that you are smart...So if she is nominated, continue to be smart and help us make sure she is not elected by voting a landslide against her.

Bill Clinton is guilty of what many accuse him of: He sets out to change established facts and then gives us his view of those newly created "facts" as a way of convincing us his view of things is the way it was all along.

This is a man who desperately wants his legacy to be the first woman President and not a 20 year old, overweight intern, orally servicing the Commander-in-Chief in the Oval Office. It is not much more complicated than that.

"Unfortunately, the guy is off in the nut wings with Ron Paul, Tancredo, Mike Gravel, and Allan Keyes.
Posted by Chris Ford"

You obviously don't know what you are talking about and are either ill informed or seriously ignorant.

Pam,

Yes, Obama did a bit of stammering in the Las Vegas debate, but he was trying to explain that the question was inherently simplistic. Hillary, on the other hand, was able to just say, "No," because Spitzer had *conveiently* withdrawn his plan a DAY before the debates. Hmmmm...do you suppose that was a coincidence???? Do you suppose the idiotic question about pearls or diamonds that was tossed her way was another coincidence? She was coddled through that whole debate.

Also, Pam, you appear to be in the minority in seeing Clinton's sad interview (above) as a brilliant performance, and "gosh," I just don't know how you could have missed his ineptitude.

For Janie at 1:36 PM -- NOTE: This was copied and pasted, verbatim, from the Internet. There is nothing original of mine here.

In a recent sit-down interview with the board of The Nashua Telegraph, a leading New Hampshire newspaper, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton finally was asked what she thinks of Gov. Eliot Spitzer’s policy to allow illegal immigrants to get driver’s licenses.
Her answer? Judge for yourself:

I think it’s important to bring everybody out of the shadows. To do the background checks. To deport those who have outstanding warrants or have committed crimes in the United States, and then to say to those who wish to stay here, you have to pay back taxes, you have to pay a fine, you have to learn English, and you have to wait in line. And I hate to see any state being pushed to try to take this into their own hands, because the federal government has failed.

So I know exactly what Governor Spitzer’s trying to do and it makes a lot of sense, because he’s trying to get people out of the shadows. He’s trying to say, “O.K., come forward and we will give you this license.”

But without a federal policy in effect, people will come forward and they could get picked up by I.C.E. tomorrow. I mean, this can’t work state-by-state. It has to be looked at comprehensively. I agreed with President Bush and his efforts to try to approach this. He just didn’t have the political capital left by the time he actually got serious about it.

And it’s unfortunate that too many people are using this to demagogue the issue, instead of trying to solve it: you know, people in politics, people in the press, and there’s a kind of unholy alliance."


There are a couple of different things going on here. She does say the policy “makes a lot of sense,” which is close to saying she supports it but not quite. And like the governor, she laments the tone of the debate, and takes an implicit swing at state Republicans and outlets like The New York Post or Lou Dobbs’s show.
So the Spitzer administration could take that as an endorsement.

There is, however, that “but.”

Like some members of the Legislature who are wavering on the issue, Mrs. Clinton sort of burrowed past the question, saying the real problem is that Washington hasn’t come up with a comprehensive immigration reform. She doesn’t quite say she is on board with Mr. Spitzer’s plan to give licenses to illegal immigrants, the issue at hand.

Interestingly, she also takes the tack that the policy would put illegal immigrants at the risk of being picked up by immigration authorities — something that has been a concern of immigration advocacy groups.

Under Mr. Spitzer’s policy, the copies of documents people would submit to get licenses would be destroyed after being verified. But information about whether or not they provided a Social Security number would likely reside in the system, information which would probably be available under subpoena. (Mr. Spitzer’s office just notified reporters that he has scheduled an announcement related to the plan for 11 a.m. Friday at New York University School of Law.)

Philippe Reines, the senator’s press secretary, said in a statement: “Senator Clinton strongly believes that a federal solution is needed to our immigration crisis. She is still studying the Governor’s proposal, but understands the impetus behind his plan — that federal inaction on comprehensive immigration reform has created conditions where states feel compelled to act on their own.”

This is a good topic. I have voted Republican all my life and may do so in the general election, but I have been contributing to the Obama campaign. Because if a Democrat has to win the general election (likely this time), I want the best one to win. Why is he the best Democrat if I disagree with him on a lot of his policies? He is a breath of fresh air and a natural leader...very charismatic...an unburdened with a view that the rest of us are conspiring against him personally. I find it ironic that Bill Clinton is saying that Obama does not have enough experience. I think he has more national experience than either Clinton did when HE defeated the resume-heavy Bush Sr., and more national experience than Jimmy Carter did when he defeated resume-heavy Ford. Is he saying the voters made a mistake when they elected Carter or Clinton? I think Obama has potential greatness in him that is above partisan politics -- I think he may prove to be a transcendant, pivotal figure like a Lincoln, Washington, Roosevelt, or Kennedy. Wish the Republicans had someone of that quality out there.

Dickenson,

I'm sure I'm not the only one who watched the show and thought Bill made great points.

Gosh darn it, I just don't seem to agree with you. :D

You Obama lovers, you are all falling for the repulican propanganda tricks against Hillary. The GOP is spousing propanganda all day, that's all the right wing radio and fox hannitty against hillary and they know that they can easily beat Obama in the general election. They are scared of Hillary in the general election so they are spending all their money on the democratic primary campaign against Hillary. If you notice that right wing machine like Foxnews and right wing radio spend more time on democratic candidates than their own party's candidates, why? because they want Obama to win the democratic nomination and they can run over Obama in the general election.
DEMOCRATS, USE YOU HEADS, there is a behind the scene campaign by GOP to beat democrats by beating Hillary now.

Pam, you seem to miss how Mr. Clinton sucks you into his reality. Check out my post. Back off the partisan rancor. Look at it dispassionately and you will see. This man creates his own reality by changing facts, so ANYTHING he says sounds plausible and reasonable. I admit, it is a masterful job, but any way you cut it, every word out of that man's mouth is utter bullshit.

I have to handed to you, dems. God bless you, really. Keep at it, tear yourselves apart. It is such a pleasure to watch.

Yes, Hillary is a witch and Obama is a drug addict. Yes, please keep fighting and because "it's beginning to look like Christmas" for us, and in 2009 we will celebrate another republican tenure in the W.H. God, i love the dems, i really do.

Bubba seems on target to torpedo yet another democratic candidate's quest for elected office by providing his endorsement and support. In his wife's case, however, it doesn't appear that she needs his endorsement; she has exposed herself as a "not ready for prime time player" on an almost daily basis. Bubba used his folksy personal appeal and well oiled political machine to get elected. Mrs. Bubba has no personal appeal and not even the "Clinton Machine" can help her. Why? I believe this country took a collective shower after the Clintons left the White House and they are not interested in returning to the country's 1990s rolling in the mud with the Clintons.

dear pam: maybe you need not be so sensitive. and i love your psuedo psyco-analysis. listen, honey. oh, and thank you for your compliments. i'm just telling it like it is and i can't help it if that bother's you. maybe you should consider seeing a psychiatrist. and o'reilly and coulter are the best. *hugs*

This upcoming Presidential election was the Democrats' for the taking. But it looks like they might just throw it away. The top tier DNC's candidates for President are weak and beatable. You Democrats could have put up a credible Governor from the Midwest and you could have won it easily. But now, the Republicans actually feel like they might be able to win this in 2008. That is due, in large part, to the weak field the Democrats are putting forward. From a Republican, all I can say is "Thanks for the Christmas present!"

Quoting Tony Lord:

"DEMOCRATS, USE YOU HEADS, there is a behind the scene campaign by GOP to beat democrats by beating Hillary now."

Ah, the vast right-wing conspiracy lives :), but now we're supposed to believe that it's directed against Hillary so that we misguided, easily gulled, Democrats will be fooled by the Republicans into voting for Obama, who can't possibly win (then why are you so afraid?). Good try, Tony Lord, but we're cannier than you suppose, and your ploy is transparent.

Hi Tony C,

I guess I don't agree with you either. Sorry if I had some partisan rancor going on there. That dude Phil and peeps like O'Reilly and Coulter calling all Democrats...well let me quote:

"liberals are idiots with a capital "m" as in morons. unscrupulous, morally vacuous, no principles, no values and just your everyday gutter slime. why, why else could anyone in their right mind ever consider voting for the likes of bubba bill or hitlery rotten clinton."

I know I shouldn't paint everyone with the same brush and I'm sorry for doing so. But when I watch shows like Bill O'Reilly and read columns like Ann Coulter's I cannot believe the hatred out there. We should be Americans first. We should be caring and supportive of each other after what we had to endure and all we lost on 9/11. I didn't think that bringing up O'Reilly and Coulter was partisan as I don't think of them as representing the majority of Republicans.

By the way I've voted for both parties during different times in my life. I do hope we elect a President that can bring us back together.

Hillary is most experienced at getting herself and her husband out of political trouble.
She can bob and weave and posture and obfuscate and lie and mislead better than anyone in the race, republican or democrat.
She is asking people to believe that returning to the 90's is change. She is implying that eight years as first lady counts for expierence. Her stage persona is 180 degrees different from her private behavior. She is not a happy smiley person that she projects in public, in esscense, she is a phoney and people (the so-called average person) are beginning to see it.
NOW, ask yourself: "Would you rather 'take a chance' on young, intellegent, compelling and by his very nature a symbol of change OR what I have just described, which is Hillary 'by her very nature'. Not a difficult choice is it?

Hey Dickinson....what ploy is that? The Dems have really got to stop blaming everyone else for their problems. IMHO, Republicans have their own problems and it is very unlikely that politicians from either party are crossing over to attack the other party. But, in the mind of today's Democratic voter's, a mind we heard last week is twice as likely to need psychiatric help than the rest of us, in that mind, any diabolical conspiracy is possible. Wasn't Howie Dean the very first to float the notion that 911 was an inside job? Do I need to remind you of what else floats? Dean is the head of your party, son. Rock on. I guess you missed the announcement about the brown acid. LOL

We don't the first fellatrix in the whitehouse. What would we call her? Madam President or President Madam?

Wht not run Dingell and Berry?
That way we could vote for a real Dingelberry for president.

Hi!

Registered republican from Virginia here. I find the internal debate among democrats interesting. And not for the reason you might think. You see I too am sick of the 20 years of Bushclinton. I do believe that GWB is the worst president in the modern era and I also hate what the neo cons have done to MY party.

Here in Virginia we have recently voted for Jim Webb to be our senator. We voted in yet another democratic governor. Soon Jim Gilmore will be crushed by Mark Warner and we will have 2 democratic senators. Oh yes, and I voted democrat in each of these elections. I will support Mark Warner as well.

Have I gone over to the " dark side " in supporting democrats? No! I chose to select the person I believe will do the best in the office. Country first and party second. In doing so I am branded as a RINO. Fail to fall into lock step with the far right wingers and neo cons gets you this brand. I wear it with honor!

So...who for president? Sadly the most experienced seem to be pushed into the background on the dem side. Bill Richardson and Joe Biden. Throw a Mark Warner in as VP with either of these two and you have yourself a Dem president and probably a better majority in the senate. You win , we lose

Hilary? Sure...go ahead. Pick Hilary. We are foaming at the mouth. You will have people that have not voted in years coming out. Not to vote for a republican but against her. She is that divisive. Oh yes, and when they come out to vote against her they might as well vote for the other republicans at the state and local level. We win, you lose

Obama? this guy is charismatic. He is smart and he seems to be running a good campaign. Against the right republican he could win. The republican candidates are weak. Within the party no one is satisfied with who we have to select. If Obama runs many republicans might just stay home in disgust. Maybe Obama wins. maybe he doesn't. But he would not harm the democratic chances at the state and local level. Toss up but with further losses for us in the house and senate

So folks what is it going to be. Do you really want to win? or do you want to fall on your sword for 8 more years of the same old ? In 08 the entire country is the democrats to lose. Will you?

"Wasn't Howie Dean the very first to float the notion that 911 was an inside job? "

Umm no, you retard?

WTF?

When we talk about experience, why is it that Hillary's experience and influence in Arkansas is overlooked? She, with then Gov. Bill, helped to move the state of education in Arkansas. I know of one of the programs that they introduced and supported in their public schools, and it has a definite positive impact on students (Choices by the U S WEST Education Foundation). Working hard to improve outcomes for children in that state, helping their families. Then let's talk about uniting folks on issues. Recently Hillary was able to get to Newt Gingrich and other republicans to start talking about what will work for both sides of the aisle when it comes to healthcare. You have to find a common ground upon which to build, and she has already started this work. Hillary has been working for families and children since her days in law school.
Let's talk facts... misrepresentations in the press for the sake of another's campaign isn't good for anyone. Instead of reporting the news, the press is making the news, creating turmoils and conflict that are not representative of any campaign. Let's not fall into those traps. Hillary still has my support, I'm proud to say so. I've seen the lady up close, seen how she responds to the average American, to kids and adults alike. No cue cards, no handlers, spontaneous and genuine. Answered all questions asked and respected the person asking regardless of their associations. I respect her and trust her. Always room/time for discussion and exploration. Quit reading the press releases from infotainment news channels/blogs. Go to the source, the candidate themselves.

This political infighting within the Democratic party is not good for our country. Any of the candidates would be an improvement upon the current administration and their messes. Who is more prepared to fix the problems of the Bush years right away on January 20, 2009?

Anyone who doubts Hillary Clinton's impact on the world stage might want to check with the top political leaders in Northern Ireland, who cite her work to end sectarian violence there and help secure a lasting peace.

Anyone who doubts Hillary Clinton's international experience might consult with democracy activists in the Slovak Republic, who remember when she stood in solidarity with them and publicly challenged their new government's suppression of civil society.

They might talk to women - from the Philippines to Latin America to the Middle East - who can vote, own property, or go to school, because Hillary Clinton helped start a global women's movement for women's rights. Or they might travel to Africa and Asia, where Hillary Clinton visited countless remote villages to show how the poorest of the poor could become entrepreneurial and self-sufficient when given access to small loans.

In the heat of presidential campaign politics, candidates on both sides dismiss a First Lady's work as insignificant to foreign policy. But in Hillary Clinton's case, such a presumption is not only wrong, it trivializes the important global issues of human rights, democracy, and international development that are so central to strengthening American values and influence overseas and are hallmarks of her exhaustive work around the world.

As First Lady and now as a two-term senator who represents the most ethnically diverse state in the nation and who sits on the Armed Services Committee, Hillary Clinton has become a fixture on international issues over the past 15 years. She has traveled to more than 80 countries, going from barrios to rural villages to meetings with heads of state. She has consulted with dozens of world leaders - Nelson Mandela, King Abdullah, Tony Blair among them -- on matters as diverse as America and NATO's roles in Kosovo, eradicating poverty in the Third World, and the plight of women living under the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Today, she is one of the most influential voices in the world on human rights, democracy, and the promotion of a "new internationalism" in foreign affairs that calls for a balanced use of military force, diplomacy, and social development to strengthen American interests and security globally.

Whether working to support civil society in Russia, pushing for programs to combat the spread of AIDS in Africa, or flying into war-torn Bosnia to nurture a new peace agreement, she has carried the message and face of American democracy to some of the most challenging regions of the globe.

Her historic speech at the UN Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing in 1995 not only galvanized women around the world, it helped spawn a movement that led to advances politically, legally, economically, and socially for women in many countries over the next decade. Among other initiatives, she spearheaded the Clinton Administration's efforts to combat the global crisis of human trafficking. She persuaded the First Ladies of the Americas to use their collective power to eradicate measles and improve girls' education throughout the western Hemisphere. And she is widely credited with helping women in Kuwait finally win the right to vote.

Hillary Clinton understood early on that America could not export democracy and freedom without also winning the hearts and minds of people on society's margins and seeding American values from the ground up. (One need only look at the rise of Islamic extremism in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and elsewhere to appreciate the importance of that insight). To that end, she became one of the world's leading advocates for development programs like microfinance to create self-sufficiency among the world's poor; for education efforts to lift successive generations out of poverty and ignorance; for cost-effective health care programs to rid the world of deadly diseases that plague entire continents and stall social and economic progress.

She also knew that America had a unique role in the world as a beacon of freedom - and pluralism. She promoted religious tolerance from Morocco to Pakistan and convened the leaders of the world's major religions in Istanbul to discuss ways to fight religious extremism; she supported Protestant and Catholic women working on peace at the grass roots in northern Ireland; she challenged repressive heads of state in central Europe and central Asia who trampled on newly won democratic rights in their countries.

And with Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright, she helped launch the Vital Voices Democracy Initiative, in which the United States trained women in the new democracies to become leaders in all sectors of their societies.

While American First Ladies historically have made great (and often overlooked) contributions to our nation, Hillary Clinton's wide-ranging experience on international issues as First Lady is unprecedented. Indeed, she is the only First Lady to have delivered foreign policy addresses at major gatherings of the United Nations, the World Bank, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the World Economic Forum.

Over the past seven years, she has amplified her experience through her work in the Senate on military and national security issues, leading efforts to combat nuclear proliferation, end the genocide in Darfur, and ensure that American troops are properly equipped when they go to war and properly cared for when they return home.

The world knows Hillary Clinton. Moreover, the world respects her.

What ploy? Your ploy is to scare Democrats into thinking they're being led by the Republicans to think that Hillary is bad news (she is) and thus vote for Obama, because he'll lose (he won't). Your arrogance in supposing that Democrats can't figure out the games afoot and need your Republican "superiority" staggers my imagination.

There are a lot of Democrats here writing posts far more astute and researched than yours, and we certainly do not need your guidance, but thanks for the offer.

pamela darling: i'm not partisan and i believe the constitution gives my the right to rancor all i want. you must be, and i'm just assuming, an idependent? "we should be caring and supportive of each other after what we had to endure and all we lost, yada, yada, yada. you sound like rodney king. let me clue you in pam. there is and will always be an on going war right here in our back yards. it's called democrats versus the republicans and there is a huge, monstrous difference in the way each party governs our great nation. perhaps you might be alittle closed minded or naive. *hugs*

Pam, please.

You talk about hate? The people you quote are commentators. They make comments you don't like. So what?

Do you have the same outrage for the leaders of your party making hateful remarks?

Al Gore - called the President a traitor "He betrayed this country." Funny, I did not hear a single liberal act indignant about questioning the patriotism of the President of the United States.

Harry Reid - called the President a "loser." He said it in front of school kids. Nice way to engender respect for the office.

Dick Durbin - called American Soldiers Nazis

Ted Kennedy - said Saddam's torture chambers were under new management, American Management.

John Kerry - told Bob Scheiffer our troops in Iraq terrorize Iraqi families.

John Murtha - said our soldiers committed murder in cold blood. Never took it back once the marines were exhonerated.

How much more of this do I need to type for you to get it through your head that YOUR political leadership, by taking the LOW ROAD has done far more damage to this country than the musings of a couple of media circus clowns like O'Reilly and Coulter. Get a clue!

Tony Lord,

You are correct, this whole thing is organized by the rightwing bible swingers, and the Left wing Clinton hating Obama supporters........

If Hillary loses, the Democrats lose the White House in '08, it is as simple as that. Obama doesn't stand a snowball's chance of winning a national election.

Seasons Greetings: "Toward the end of the interview, his hands began to shake and his face reddened as he discussed the political thicket his wife finds herself in." -The Atlantic

I'll tell you what the Clinton experience is, having experienced it up close and personal myself, it's like the movie NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD, except it's real! Help never arrives. The Clintons have been on the offensive from Travel-Gate to stealing the White House furniture. Now, the Clintons are asking for your vote. They'll insult your intelligence as long as you let them. While the Clintons are eating bananas (bananas are binding, hence the expression), I had no idea watching Hillary tank would be so enjoyable. But then, it's been long overdue:http://theseedsof9-11.com

Let' see.... 1988-1992 Bush is president. 1992-2000, Clinton is president. 2000-2008 Bush is president. 2008-2016 Clinton is president.

I think a quarter of a century of the monarchies of Bushes and Clintons is ridiculous. God forbid, Jeb Bush rolls around in 2016 and globs on for another eight years.

Maybe a third of a century under the iron hand of two families? What the hell is this, a Republic, or a Monarchy???

Vote for anyone but a clinton for pete's sake. Let these families go home and live in the sewers they have created for the rest of us, and give someone else a chance, for crying out loud.

Did I or didn't I see a bible in Bill Clinton's hand evert time he was departing the h/copter, but I've never seen Bush with a bible.

You all right wing fanatics, Thank You, you just made my point that you are all scared of Democrats winning, if Hillary is nominated. You will sink to any level to spouse lies about Hillary to beat Democrats in the general election.

wake up: please do!!

Dickinson, sorry to disappoint you, but I am not a Republican. I am not a Democrat either. I can think quite well for myself. See....you are really paranoid. I definitely do not like Hillary, but I am not that fond of Obama either. Now go get me Zell Miller and maybe we can talk.

Bill Clinton, in 1992:

"The most important distinction in this campaign is that I represent real hope for change."

George HW Bush's response:

"Well, I think one thing that distinguishes us is experience..."


Bill CLinton was running on Obama's platform in '92, and apparently he thought it was pretty sound

I would like to thank to writers here on this cite, the Jihad and Mujahadeen are counting on a democratic president in 08, please do not let us down. The holy Jihad are with you, peace be upon us. Allah Akhbar!

Somebody in Iowa might want to tell Mr. Hollingsworth to keep an eye on his wife.
Bill Clinton is looking for her and has
one final "Point" to make to her.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/15/us/politics/15register.html?hp

Tony Lord, you are a right wing fanatic, perhaps, but the majority of us here are not. I'm not a Hillary supporter, but the Democrats will win with with either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, so you can get over being so frightened for us. Also, the word you're thinking of is "espoused," Tony.

BillyHill continually is in convenient denial about the duo's penchant to distort the truth. What he fails to accept is voters are looking for a truthfull, moral, honest, ethical politician over experience. They have that with Obama and Huckelbee. At least for now. Cowboy up Slick.

Granted Clinton is a force of nature, a brilliant political mind and master of the spin. Remember the praise he heaps on Edwards now, because if Edwards threatens to take away the nomination from Hillary, he's next. Let's remember what happened here. In the QuadCity times after a debate, Hillary levels the charge that Obama is naive. Because he happens to believe as many do that direct diplomacy has its place. Then throughout the summer months, we were all just waiting to nominate Hillary; she was inevitable. Not because she was the best candidate, not because she made the most sense but because a tautology: she was inevitable because she was inevitable. And then with a single poor debate performance the knives came out--Obama was lying about the universality of his health care, Krugman lent his voice, kindergate, and now Obama is a drug dealer, and now Obama has only one year of experience. None of it is about why Hillary would be a good president, only why she is better than her competitors. I shook Clinton's hand in 1993 in Bath Maine, and I voted for him--it was one of the proudest and happiest moments of my life, because I believed in his message, and I looked forward to him delivering. Even after 1998 and his indiscretions, I still thought his message was good but now when his heir apparent has arrive, when Obama would take the mantle, it becomes clear that it was never about the message it was about the man, the family I suppose, and Wolfson and Penn would break every rule to make it happen, to put their guy/gal back in the White House. Clinton thinks this about Republicans about experience, but really its about one thing: they believe they deserve to be back in the white house. Imagine King talking about the virtues of segregation, or Susan B. talking about keeping the vote in the hands of more sensible men. Clinton is turning _off_ the next generation of voters, the very people who made his own campaigns so exciting and hopeful. I don't believe that because FoxNews told me to--I find even that suggestion offensive--I believe it because he taught me to expect something from our Presidents and now is letting me down. I know it because I have seen it with my own eyes. All he has left is anger, that might get Hillary to the White House, but she will leave all the rest of it, the hope, the promise, behind. I am not saying everyone believes as I do, but some people do. I think a lot of people do. He ought to remember that; think about that.

I can't take another Clinton in the White House just like a didn't want another fucking Bush!

Hillary, The Dragon Lady is her own worst enemy. She is arrogant, she lies, is idisingenuous and has the serial adulterer as a sort of husband. Maybe women are finally getting the message that she is a poor role model for women and an even poorer leader. She is all about power and her sort of husband will do her in with his big mouth and I can't wait for them to be put out to pasture.....

tony lord: that's espouse. not spouse. spouse: wife or husband!

Marbury, I want to thank you for your post. I just sat and read almost all of these posts and I even took the time to watch the 8 minute Rose/CLinton youtube clip and I-like you-am just crazy enough to vote my convictions rather than my fears. I remember voting for a relatively inexperienced man named Bill Clinton in 1992 because I was crazy then also. I thank Bill Clinton for his contribution to this nation and in spite of his best intentions to get his wife elected POTUS, I will try to maintain my gratitude. Nevertheless, I will support Barack Obama because I'm just crazy enough to believe the next person to occupy the White House will need to inspire as well as lead. Bush/Cheney has done a tremendous amount of damage to this country and to our standing in the world. It will take a person with vision, compassion AND experience to begin the awesome process of putting us back on the right track. For some that person is Hillary Clinton; for others it's Edwards. As for crazy old me and my family, it's Barack Obama.

It depends on what your definition of "IS" is.

If this political cycle were a punchbowl, all of the Democrat candidates would float to the top. That's not a flavor of koolaid that any of us should be drinking. Obama's folks are right in viewing Hillary as the devil incarnate. Hillary's folks are right in viewing Obama as a lightweight and inexperienced person who has risen to the top because he's a novelty. Remember, sometimes when two people are calling each other an a**hole, they are both right. Biden is a goofball who speaks best when he plagiarizes. Otherwise, he's prone to saying things that Republicans would be called racist for saying. Dodd hasn't found his center since he and Ted "Orca" Kennedy last danced drunk on a tabletop together while sexually harassing whatever young ladies were around. The solution? Either don't vote if you're a Democrat or don't tell anyone and vote for the Republican nominee (any of whom except for Ron Paul are far preferable to the Democrat's underachieving field). Just a thought. HB

HEY PHIL! Get a life and quit dissecting every comment on this story.

Democrats run the risk of losing this thing because they can't ever seem to unite behind anything. The GOP is practically giving this election away and most Democrats bicker and fight about their candidates. Each person should vote for who they think is best and quit attacking each other. It's funny how Democrats only have a spine when they fight each other.

OBAMA/OPRAH 2008!

On the other hand, HarryBalls et al, the Republicans may be eager to weigh in on this issue, because they know their field of candidates is particularly lackluster. Huckabee isn't rising so quickly because he's so good, he's rising because the others are so bad. You're right to be frightened. There's a lot of depth in the Democratic race.

Mitt Romney will be elected president, no matter who democrats throw up. (pun intended)

Mormonism will defeat radical islam and anti-american left-wing secularism.

So let it be written, so let it be told.

I think it quite evident that the press, as it has done in the past, has taken the wrong approach in this election. You can see it in the recent Gore comment concering America's role is blocking the progress needed to fight global warming. Instead of observing the TRUTH or VALIDITY of the comment, the press asks " Was Gore attacking his own country?" This is absurd, and has been the same approach they have have taken in reporting on the election. Clinton is being unjustly demonized. Have we already forgotten what the press did to our last elections??!!! Americans need to not just THINK but THINK CRITICALLY about the "information" they are being feed.

You Obama people are amazing. How many of you have reviewed his IL. voting record or his very short Senate voting record - how do account for the votes of "present" - how do you account for his missing votes? Do you hate her that much that you are willing to ignore these things? Are you so consumed with hate that you can't see beyond the hype - the Bush loving press and Oprah?
Your posts are full of venom - why??

Why are you so willing to accept his half-truths like his stance on health-care - and what the hell is total access to health care anyway (we have that now if you can afford it) - or his position on a woman's rights - when he failed to vote 7 times to support women in IL - or his saber waving on social security? We don't get progress in this country by hoping for it - you have to work for it -

wake up, you are incorrect. As one of those foreigners you talk about, I can tell you that no one outside the US respects or even gives a hoot about Hillary Clinton. Madeleine Albright was, to most of the world, a joke.

I travel the US widely, and speak to a wide variety of people. I think Hillary Clinton is a very divisive figure. People either love or hate her. There is no balance there.

For the poster above who referred to Mrs. Clinton's initiatives in Arkansas' education - that could very well be accurate, but throughout the 1980's, 1990's and even now, Arkansas continues to have one of the lowest achievement rankings nationally on standardized testing. And the US is middling in international testing standards. So where was the great success?

Finally, in terms of her work career, Mrs. Clinton's success was partly attributable to her connection to the governor's mansion.

In short, everything Mrs. Clinton has achieved in her adult career, save for her Senate experience, has been the result of her husband's career or aid. That is not a bad thing, but it is reality.

How obvious is it that Clinton has MANY operatives working inside this web page and many others. They are working very hard to hide the Clinton "legacy" and detract from the issue that she has NO qualities that warrant her an appropriate candidate. Didn't she even get disbarred?

I've heard it said that Hillary bases her "experience" on being with Bill during the eight years he was in the White House. If that's the case, then Monica Lewinski has more experience because she spent a lot more time with Bill than Hillary did! Maybe Bill should be campaigning for Monica instead of making a fool of himself trying to promote the unelectable Hillary.
Remember, ALL republicans hate Hillary, some democrats like myself hate her husband, and then there are those that will simply not vote for a woman presidential candidate. Hillary is on a train to nowhere.

To Dickinson 1991;

Hey Dick! You call that "depth"... seek help!

I am a Republican ~~ I would vote for Biden ~~ I trust him

Obvious, I believe you're confusing Hillary with her husband (how could that happen? :). He was disbarred in Arkansas and resigned before he could be disbarred by the high court.

Here's the Clinton platform in total....

Hillary is saying, "I am so much worse than Obama that only I can get past the republicans."

Bill is saying, "You buffoons, (uh, uh, I mean voters) don't get definitive records of her experience, because they're locked up tighter than a drum in my library, AND going to stay there, until after she serves 4 to 8 years, because I say so...and she says so too."

Hey Dickinson1991,
I believe you live in a dream world if you think Obama has a chance win the general election. You have no idea what GOP has planned to beat Obama by using the old tricks about fear that we cannot allow at a time like this WAR, TERRORISM to have a light weight like Obama lead this nation. This is the same trick they used to put Bush back in the last election and beat Kerry.

Some facts for you "I'd prefer sex than drugs in WH" types. Bill hit on an intern in the Oval Office, then lied about it under oath i.e., he committed perjury. Had he been a Republican or corporate executive he'd have been (rightly) run out of office and prosecuted for sexual harassment. But he remains popular among all of you even though he was "only" impeached and sat there squinting and wagging his finger at all Americans and lying in his lame Elvis-schtick("ah wontchya t'listen to me). Obama did drugs as a kid and admits it openly (no "ah didn't inhale"). You are bigger suckers than Monica.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/14/AR2007121402124_pf.html

Saudi royal family has donated $10,000,000 to Bill's presidential library. So much for weaning this country off of oil under a Clinton II administration. Wonder what Al Gore has to say about this.

The back and forth nature of these posts confirms one thing: the national political parties, in concert with the media, have most Americans convinced that our collective differences have their root in the agendas of democrats and republicans.
Reality, however, is a different story because the real battle is between the rank and file American and the bureaucracy in Washington. Social spending is completely put of control; we have a confiscatory tax structure; politicians are making decisions for us regarding the education of our children, etc. In all, we have surrendered control of our lives to a bizarre assortment of political hacks who spend their days and nights concentrating on two things: raising money for upcoming campaigns – of which there is an interminable number – and capitalizing on their celebrity (to disparage the word) and being re-elected time after time.
I give you my senior senator as verifiable proof that my convictions are accurate: Edward M. Kennedy has been in the US Senate since 1962. Yet, for one example, he stills complains about how the education system is cracked and failing. So I would proffer this question to our allegedly esteemed law maker: “If, after your years in the Senate, the system is still broken, just what in the hell have you been doing for 45 years? Huh?
Every political stalemate, every bit of logjam, can be corrected with action upon two words: Term Limits. The time has come for Americans to take charge of their government and throw the bums out. All of them, every last one. Elected official should be paid at the same rate as the medium take-home income in the state/district they represent. Think about it …… no more career politicians and no more princely-income pensions but, rather, elected officials who’s very survival would be directly proportional to that of the Americans they represent. Then we’ll see who the public servants really are, don’t you think?

If Hillary is so experienced, then why won't the Clinton's open up the Clinton Library to the 300+ Freedom of Information Act requests that are out there?

And no, meaningless interviews with Tom Brokaw, what the Clinton Administration thought about UFO's, etc., don't count as viable information released as it pertains to the FIA requests.

As usual, the Clinton machine is all about spooks and shadows and mysterious accidents if you get too close, ask the wrong questions or get to close to the truth.

Just ask Vince Foster...

Per the 22nd amendment, there are term limits for the president, but I'm not sure that's helped. For other elected officials, your plan might have merit, but who's going to decide who has been successful? We've imposed this sort of surveillance on education, and it hasn't been a success (NCLB).

I was an undecided Iowa caucus goer (the only people that matter in Jan.) and will be picking Obama. So far, I've liked listening to Paul, Huckabee, Biden, Obama, Dodd ... BUT in the end it's Obama. Candidates I could NEVER vote for: Clinton, Romney, Thompson.

Mark Penn wants Democrats to just barely eke out another slim victory in 2008. Barack Hussein Obama is the only candidate with a chance of delivering a mandate.

http://acropolisreview.blogspot.com/2007/11/republican-congressional-delegation-on.html

G.W. Bush and Hillary Clinton are the reasons why the Presidency of the United States shouldn't be a family business.

Many of us were brought up with the idea that in America, anyone can be President. That idea distinguished us from monarchies, dictatorships, etc. where people, by luck of birth or marriage, became the leaders.

As a Republican, I am ready to see the Oval Office occupied by someone with a name other than Bush. The same goes for Clinton. Our country is too big, too resourceful, and too diverse to think we can't find a man or woman unrelated to a former President to serve as our Chief Executive.

In the end, it doesn't really matter who wins because Hillary, Obama and Edwards will not commit to ending the war in Iraq and bringing all the troops home by even 2013. They all like to sound like they'll end the war and bring the troops home but they would leave a residual force there fighting for their lives every day. Bill Clinton though isn't doing his wife a favor. He needs to shut his mouth. It's bad enough that the GOP says what actually is true, that Bill can't keep out of things and that you vote for Hillary you get two for one. Deja vu eh? By butting in and making ridiculous comments, lying even and saying that he had always been against the war in Iraq, Bill only reminds the electorate that his wife supported the war up until she announced her candidacy for the presidency. Hillary's campaign is going down the toilet and I wouldn't be surprised, when she doesn't get nominated, if there's a divorce in the air.

For Tony Lord ….. So if Obama is nominated, and the loses, it will be because of old Republican tricks? I am so happy to learn that! I mean, I’d hate like hell to see him lose because he’s an ultra liberal whack-job who refuses to articulate his true beliefs or position on anything but, rather, resorts to flowery, non-specific generalities. If he’s a man of such charisma and conviction, as Oprah claims, why does he hide his true leftist ideology from those who would elect him?

I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION TO THOSE HERE WHO CONSTANTLY SAY THAT OBAMA ISN'T EXPERIENCED OR THAT HE CAN'T DEAL WITH THE REPUBLICANS: IF THAT'S THE CASE AND IF HILARY IS THE TOUGHEST, MOST EXPERIENCED, AND BEST PREPARED TO HANDLE THE REPUBLICANS AND WIN.... WHY IS OBAMA BEATING HER?? SERIOUSLY EVERYONE, THINK ABOUT THIS. SHE HAS THE MOST MONEY, THE MOST NAME RECOGNITION, A SUCESSFUL AND POPULAR EX PRESIDENT AS A HUSBAND, AND THE MOST "SKILLED" POLITICAL TEAM. WHY IS SHE LOSING RIGHT NOW?? ANYONE? THIS IS OBAMA'S FIRST TIME RUNNING, HE'S AFRICAN AMERICAN LEADING IN A PREDOMINANTLY WHITE STATE. HE'S BEEN ACCUSED OF BEING A MUSLIM, A DRUG DEALER, NOT BLACK ENOUGH, HE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THE SUPPORT OF MOST BLACK ACTIVIST BUT PEOPLE... HE'S BEATING HER, HE'S BEATING HER! HE'S PROVING TO YOU RIGHT NOW THAT HE'S READY, HE'S BEEN RIGHT ON EVERY FOREIGN POLICY ISSUE THIS ELECTION YEAR. HE'S CURRENTLY BEATING THE MOST POWERFUL POLITICAL MACHINE SINCE THE KENNEDYS.PEOPLE, HE'S PROVING THAT HE CAN WIN NOW. AND IF YOU GUYS DON'T REALIZE THAT, I BET BILL CLINTON DOES.

Obama really doesn't have any position on the vote to go to war because he wasn't in Congress. We really don't know what he would have done, but now he comes out and claims he didn't vote to go to Iraq. Well, no, he didn't have the opportunity.

This country is in the hugest mess it's been in since the Civil War and Obama has only been in the Senate for a year. I really don't think he would be able to handle the problems created by Bush. I don't think he has very much integrity either.

I have read most of the political confusion that everyone has notated and I find 100% in error. Politics go back to the two trees in the middle of the garden. Man at that time chose that he wanted to be ruled by humans instead of his Creator. Man has chosen for himself what he deems is the right form of government and ALL have failed and will continue to fail. Let us humble ourselves and admit that we are not worthy to rule over mankind and look to the Ruler of the universe whose patient,merciful, and loving hand will rescue us from ourselves. Let's put our trust and confidence in the true King and lay aside all evil and malice and live the way of true happiness.

LOL-I can't believe that some people are really convinced Bill is the running again!!! If Hill is prez, 20 more women will come out--QUOTE ME! The media will not care about the war, the deficit or stem cell research, we will be bombarded by Becky, Susan, Rachel, Nancy etc. Hill will have to respond to every biotch that comes forward in addition to the old ones. She will not be able to get anything done. Hill will not have a good relationship with other countries, especially in the Middle East. Remember Jesse Jackson going over several times to free hostages?? That's because there are more brown people in the world and they will like, communicate and connect with Obama. Experience?? Experience politicians is the reason I am paying 3.50 for gas, 50% dropout rate, no cures for anything, only high priced medicines, a bogus war and injustices throughout this country! PLEASE, PLEASE GIVE ME SOMEONE WITH NO EXPERIENCE AS A BSing politician.

Clearly, Bill Clinton (given his comments and lack thereof in the interview above)thinks Obama has a VERY good chance of winning the Demoncratic nomination. Clinton's fear all but endorses Obama, and I think the Republicans would rather face Hillary than Obama as well. If Obama's so weak, why--as Dillon writes above--is he continually doing so well? And don't worry so much about the Republican attack machine. First, it's overrated and second, Obama has succumbed to all the other attack machines he's faced.

correction: Obama has NOT succumbed to all the other attack machines he's faced.

Obama has almost no experience in the snake pit inside the beltway...and that is where the rubber hits the road...we can all hold hands and drink lemonade...but that will not change how business is conducted on a day to day basis.

Obama's claim that he is not an insider and will be a uniter is nothing more than a reiteration of what G.Bush claimed way back in 2000. I was one of those that was stupid enough to believe that then. I changed to Kerry in 04 and I will not vote for that crap in 08.

The end.

VARA - aaaargh. Vitriolic misogynistic posts like yours make even me want to support Hillary. Attack her for her lack of principles; don't sound like a sexist idiot.

First, everyone needs to actually watch Bill's interview with Charlie Rose; it's really not that bad.

Second, and most importantly, while this may be the headline of The Huffington Post for the next half hour, I am guessing it will not be a major headline in too many other places.

And finally, to those you think Bill should "shut his mouth", you are in fact incorrect. Bill is the greatest asset the Clinton campaign has and to keep Hillary in the top three in Iowa he needs to keep his mouth moving.

I'm not a democrat... i'm a vote for the better man sort of voter... hillary has never attracted me one bit... either has obama... when i watch the debates, its always Joe Biden who makes the most sense to me. Why is it the press doesn't give him a chance?

to wake up phil: is that an order? duh, uh, ok!

If Americans are really so bigoted that they will not elect a black president, they won't elect a woman president either. Wake up and realize that this argument makes no sense.

Also, I want to echo that being First Lady for eight years is not relevant experience, just like being the wife of a surgeon doesn't qualify you to transplant someone's heart.

Their is a lot of Hillary Hate on The Democratic Under ground, and KOs I think it is the same people, I don't know how to tell. I got kicked off both blogs they wouldn't tell me why. But on DU I got booted as soon as I made this post,

Why I will not vote for Obama
Due to the Muslim name and the Koran, Why is it he loves the Muslim name?
Yes the people of America needs an explanation of the Muslim name, remember Bush.
The Koran 4.101] And when you journey in the earth, there is no blame on you if you shorten the prayer, if you fear that those who disbelieve will cause you distress, surely the unbelievers are your open enemy.
The way I read the Koran, If Obama was to become president, and then the Muslim world, would conceder America a Muslim country, because we elected a Muslim president with a majority vote, A majority vote is saying we wanted America to be a Muslim country.
You seen how religion will not want to accept the Constitution under the Bush regime, think how bad it would be under a Muslim. I know he says he is a Christian, but why doesn’t he have a Christian name instead of a Muslim name. I wonder that if the reason is that if elected and then changed his name and Religion after being elected, it would not be a strong case that America wanted to be Muslim.
From the Koran 2.218] surely those who believed and those who fled (their home) and strove hard in the way of Allah these hope for the mercy of Allah and Allah is Forgiving
The Muslim religion will for give Obama, if he is a Christian in fact if he misses led us in the name of Allah he is a hero
From the Koran 4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.
Why take a chance we have so many good candidates running as Democrats. And I don’t like Clinton are Obama, s medical plan.

Gee, Monte - I can't imagine why your incredibly RACIST, INSANE post would encourage people to kick you off their blogs. !!

Bill mistreats cigars.. A speech that will go down in history ..FOUR SCORE AND .. NO IT'S ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY... NO IT'S ALL YOU HAVE TO FEAR ... NO OH YES ... I DID NOT HAVE [remember BJ are not sex]SEX WITH THAT .. oh never mind. Vote for who ever you want ... Better yet don't bother to vote at all.

Let's say I/we roll with Mrs. Clinton's assertions on her experience. What will we buy into next?

Is Mrs. Belichek qualified to be a coach because she is married to Bill? Is Denzel's wife due an Oscar? Maybe the spose of Supreme Court justice's should assume their roles simply becase they were married?

What has Hillary really done? If she has done so much, then Bill should demand that documents be released immediately.

Maybe its politically incorrect, but I'll say it here: Obama LOOKS like this country. He's young, he's got young kids, he's got a beautiful smart WORKING wife, he's some shade of brown between black and white. He's multi-racial, but not angry, defensive and entitled like AL Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. He's a civil libertarian who teaches Constitutional Law, but isn't falsely accusing the Duke Lacrosse players of raping a black woman. Obama's Christian, but knows and understands the Muslim faith. He's well educated, energetic, smart, funny, hip, and well-intentioned. Old white Southern men no longer control our political processes. The nonsense about experience aside, I think Obama is about to become the Tony Blair of the USA.

(Every time I hear someone say that Obama is unelectable because he is black, I remind them that he is only one-half black. The other half is white - and I guess I am voting for that half of Obama...) ;-))

Here's my ramble:

I am another WHITE Woman 4 Obama, in my late 50s. Never missed an election since I could vote. Voted for Reagan first time; against the second time. Voted for Clinton (twice) and Gore and Kerry.

I am a strong believer in the separation of Church and State, which used to be a Republican ideal when I was young, even in my Christian church. If the evangelical community is anything like GWB, Cheney and Rove; then evangelicals are the very farthest religion from Christ that exists on this planet. (How can they call themselves "Christian?" Perhaps they are, in actuality, the "anti-Christ" we were warned about in the bible... The "anti-christ" is supposed to fake us out according to prediction...)

I experimented with drugs in high school. I quit using them in 1969 and have not touched them since. I bet that this was Obama's experience.

I am a lawyer and I was surprised to find out that MOST of the lawyers I've met have openly admitted to it. It simply does not carry the shame any more to have dabbled. And, in fact, THOSE LAWYERS AND I AM ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE DRUG EXPERIENCE PERSONALLY. Those who have never experienced it are (sadly) ignorant. Pot simply should not be illegal. The Gen-X generation totally gets this, and I have great hope that future leaders will change the rules - and some of what the fake Christians have done to our country.

Those who bash Obama for his high school experimentation with coke are terribly self-righteous and, most probably LYING about their own snow-white innocence. (My older sister is one example of these hypocrites. She acts as if she never touched pot, yet she was my supplier as she was to my entire high school. She loves Huckabee! Ces't la Vie...)

Hillary's only experience is watching Bill (in his prime) weave and duck, lie and smile, show anger and point, embellish and act humble, declare persecution and manipulate. When see tries to copy him she just looks openly dishonest and foolish. She ain't no Bill Clinton (thank goodness) but she isn't anything else important.

America will not elect a liberal,inexperienced black man for President next year.

Hillary doesn't have experience either but like it or not Hillary's experience is Bill's experience. Bill will be there if Hillary gets in a pickle. Who would be there for Obama? Oprah?

The republicans have never beaten the Clintons in ANY election because they know how to counter-punch when republicans go dirty.

Obama and his "new type of politics" will be "swift boated" within the first few weeks. Republicans are not going to lay down without a mean, dirty fight.

No matter how clean and white your clothes starts out, you get just as dirty if you are in a mud fight.

Why is Bill Clinton even getting air time to push Hillary by Charlie Rose ? It doesnt sound like a news story, sounds like a Charlie Rose is a democrat and want Billy to like him.

For you Obama supporters here; what are his ideas, his plans to "change" things. All I've heard are pleasant platitudes.

You all seem to forget, Bill & Hill are a package deal. They were "co-President", remember?

Wasn't Bill Clinton the least experienced guy on the ticket when he first ran for president?

What the twenty-something brats don't realize is there was NO Democratic Party before Bill Clinton. The last two Democrats elected president were incapable of leading. We hadn't reelected a Democrat president since God damn Roosevelt, OK? Get a clue, there is a Democratic Party today BECAUSE of Bill and Hillary Clinton. Show some God damn respect, are you Rethuglicans or something?

I'll sell my vote to whoever pays the highest price,I wanna get paid

Thanks, Monte, for clearing that up for me. Now I can sleep tonight.

I have gone back to Edwards. I like his message. In the begining I thought he was just another rich guy, you know, full of crap and lies. I am a believer now, I hope he can continue after Iowa.

Nasser Sabbak,

So all you jihad peeps support the Democrats. Now if that were true you wouldn't be saying so.

Having lived through 9/11 and having lost a lot of friends in the World Trade Center I can honestly say to you Nasser that I HATE YOU and those who want to kill. I've never been one to hate, but you're EVIL...using "religion" to viciously kill innocent people. May you get your virgins and rot with them in Hell.

To everyone else I know this isn't politically correct but neither was watching my friends die. Even if you are just a poser you're still just as bad.

As someone totally immune to the lies of the press and manipulations of its chosen few, I'm absolutely loving the spectacle of the Clinton's political machine's breakdown.

The Clinton's free ride in the press had to end sometime. It was only a matter of time they would tire being Bill and Hillary's whore.

The press is still a long way off from legitimacy but at least there's a window of opportunity for them to regain their place as responsible agents of Democracy.

All of a sudden experience is important to Bill Clinton. In that case he should have endorsed George Bush for president in 1992. Slick Willie had been governor of Arkansas. Any medium size city in America is larger and more complex than the entire state government of Arkansas. Remember Ross Perot advising us that electing the governor of Arkansas as president would be equivalent to making the owner of a corner grocery store the CEO of Wal-Mart. Well at least Ross was right about one thing.

If I were Bill my hands would be shaking to, knowing that if your wife fails, she turns her angry, screeching wrath at him, and if she wins, his (lack of) legacy will likely be overshadowed by hers.

When she loses, either to Obama or a Republican, I'm sure it'll be due to the same 'vast right wing conspiracy' that put a gun to Bill's head and made him cheat on his wife, that makes her lose.


And for you clouded people out there, 'swift boated' means to have the truth of your past come back to destroy you. I've noticed that John Kerry took a million dollar challenge to disprove the swift boat vets for truth, and several months later he's not one million dollars richer.

Hilary won't be 'sift boated' though. Instead the Clinton's Chinese connections will just get brought into the open and she'll be left praying to god that her and Bill don't end up in chains, or the chair, as high treason is a punishable by death.

HERE is CLINTON # 1

PRAISE CLINTON AND GORE WITH PLEASURE
GDP--rose from 6300 to11,600
NATIONAL INCOME-5,000 to 8,000 Billion--
JOBS CREATED—237,000 per month to replace Jimmy Carter record of 218,000.
AVERAGE WEEKLY EARNINGS--$360 to $478
AVERAGE WEEKLY HOURS WORKED--never hit 35.0--hit that mark 4 times in 80's
UNEMPLOYMENT--from 7.2% down down down to as low as 3.9%
MINIMUM WAGE--$4.25 to $5.15
MINORITIES--did exceedingly well
HOME OWNERSHIP--hit all time high (no big deal most can say this-except Reagan)
DEFICIT--290 Billion to whoopee a SURPLUS
DEBT----+28%---300% increase over prior 12 years by Conservatives.
FEDERAL SPENDING--+28%---+80% under Reagan- who is da true conservative?
DOW JONES AVERAGE—3,500 to 11,720 top in 2000. All it's history to get to 3500 and Clinton zooms it
NASDAQ--700 to 5,000 top in 2000.---All of it's history to get to 700 and Clinton zooms it
VALUES INDEXES-- almost all bad went down--good went up in zoom zoom zoom
FOREIGN AFFAIRS--Peace on Earth good will toward each other---Mark of a true Christian--what has Bush done to Peace on Earth?
POPULARITY---highest poll ratings in history during peacetime in AFRICA, ASIA AND EUROPE . Even 98.5% in Moscow--left office with Highest Gallup rating since it was started in 1920's.
STAND UP FOR JUSTICE--evil conservatives spent $110,000,000 on hearings and investigations and caught one very evil man who took a few plane rides to events.
BOW YOUR HEADS—“Thank you God for sending us a man of Bill Clinton's character, intelligence, knowledge of governance, ability to face up to crises without whimpering and a great leader of the world. Amen”.
THANK YOU GOD FOR THE GOOD TIMES THE CLINTON YEARS.
clarence swinney-political historian-Lifeaholics of America- burlington nc
clarenceswinney@bellsouth.net
6-28-03

Why is Obama beating her?? Because the public finally sees that both Clintons are corrupt, calculating and very typical lying politicians. That doesnt make Obama any more experienced does it?
To MarkM re: Edwards. Stick with your first impression. It was the correct one.

"I beleive most Americans want to get past these divisions and Senator Obama is the one who can do this."

I keep hearing and reading this.

Please tell us how Obama is going to achieve this? That is, get past Republicans who want to sink the New Deal versus Democrats who want to defend it: Republicans who support social changes (e.g. healthcare) only if it advances the interest and profits of big business versus Democrats who seek social change that meets the needs of people etc. etc.

How is Obama, specifically and realistically can get past the polarization that is based on genuine conflict of values?

Tell us?

One simple fact: America will never, NEVER elect Hillary Clinton as its President. You may decry it as sexism, unfair, the product of lunatic right wing-nuts frothing at the mouth, and it is partly all of those things. But it's more than that. It is the plain and simple fact that the woman has no moral compass when it comes to getting elected. Power is all. Why else would she stay married to a serial adulterer forever? Because she has no self-esteem? Nope, not that. It's obvious -- because she has long craved the Presidency, and knew that only by staying married to Bill could she ever hope to get it. I know many, many Democratic women who gag at the very thought of Hillary achieving power, because her willingness to tolerate a husband who has slept with dozens of other women (and then was willing to lie about it not only on national television, with his nauseating finger-wagging, but also under oath, resulting in his disbarment) makes her a ghastly role model for young women everywhere. Be like me, girls! A woman who is willing to sacrifice her morals and self-worth to stay with a man who has lied again and again about his sacred vows to me, and has made me a laughingstock. Because if you do that, you may grow up to be President. Give me a break.

More than one-half of American voters says they would NEVER vote for Ms. Clinton. Never! So if the Democrats nominate Hillary, they will be guaranteeing four more years of a Republican being president. Four more years of Iraq. Four more years of the rich getting richer, and the poor being ignored. Four more years of the train wreck we've had these last eight years. I know the Dems have a long history of electoral suicide, but come on!

Last but not least, when a national co-chair of the Clinton campaign comes out and says he is concerned Obama might face Republican attacks over his drug use in high school, it is obvious Hillary sent him out to do that. She sounds like Louis Renault in "Casablanca," professing to be "shocked, shocked" to have heard him say that. And either she knew, and is as dirty as they come, or she didn't, in which case she can't even control her campaign. And she wants us to trust her with the country. Right, sure, no problem.

Obama '08.

Here is the reality about those claims about being the only candidate that has a chance to win against the Republicans: If you can not win the Democrat nomination, you sure as hell are not the one with the best chance to win the presidency. Prove you are a winner by winning the nomination. This is an election campaign, not a Coronation.

If you are the winner that you keep telling us that you are, then just get on with and actually win the nomination.

I caught about 5 minutes of former President Barnum, er, Clixon on the Rose garden last night, and that was all I needed to re-hear from His Hackness.

Hillary must be sooooooooooooooooooooooooo proud of him today, eh?

CNN restaurant tours in Chinatown rule!

The entire nation is simply sick of the Clintons---everything about them reeks of lust for power, slipperiness and phoniness. By their bizarre logic Nancy Reagan should run for President.

Please, let's just put them back under the rock from whence they came.

Wake up Dems. Bill never got a majority, lost congress, and hurt every canidate he ever promoted. We neo-coms love it! There is a reason why ex-presidents are suppose to sit down and show class. Run the country? Hillary couldn't even run her bedroom!

open mouth and let the lies flo, dont work in iowa.they dont want a socialist commie as president.or maybe they dont want to be led by the nose by the liberal owned news.you know like in commi countries.
interesting news at clinton corruptions.com or clintons pardons.com

"Sen. Obama is next door, that matters"

Sure, those white rural voters have a lot in common and sympathize with a black guy from Chicago.

HRC is from Park Ridge, Illinois--isn't she from next door ?

"clarenceswinney@bellsouth.net"

Ahem.

YOU CAN THANK NEWT & THE GOP CONGRESS, JACKASS.

BJ Clixon was dragged KICKING & SCREAMING to the balanced budget and welfare reform tables.

Get your Mother Jones mobster "facts" straight, or get off the board.

PS: DOD spending as a % of GDP was the lowest in 40 years during the -- guess who -- CLIXON ADMINISTRATION.

= RWANDA ACCOMPLISHED =

Obama himself said on Larry King, before he announced he was going to run for President, he wasn't going to run for President because he did not have enough experience. Hillary has little or no experience and will not discuss in detail issues - nor plans to deal with the issues. John Edwards is not in the running - claiming to be for the "little guy" and gets $1200 haircuts... Wants to stop the tax cuts for the "rich" - you and I must be them people because we all received our tax cut checks - meanwhile, he shelters all of his income that he can to avoid paying taxes - typical liberal hypocrit, in my book.
So who does that leave? John "flip-flop" Kerry? The candidate who would run the county according to opinion polls and the U.N.? I don't think so - but some of you are adamant about voting democrat. Why? Just being loyal to a party? Not taking into consideration the candidate and their loyalties to this country? For shame - such ignorance. That tells me you'd vote for Hitler if he was a democrat - because you can't think for yourself, and want bigger and bigger government taking control of your lives. I don't want that - can't afford it. I don't want to lose my freedoms to a bunch of socialists who want to control everything. Socialism has failed wherever it has been tried - why then, do it here and screw up this country as well? I want conservative control - more freedom, less government. Less intrusion into my life - yes both parties need to get a grip on spending - and conserve financial resources - a concept too foreign for either to grasp. My vote goes to Fred Thompson - more experience than either Clinton or Obama - stays his ground - doesn't rule by opinion polling - will detail his programs. Here's the real leader.

I can't believe all the leftists here who say Obama can't be elected because he's black. Say what? We've had two Secretaries of State in a row who are black -- they are the face of the United States in international relations, and they came from the Republican Party! What is going on here? The Democratic posters saying this crap -- and it's coming from the Clinton supporters in particular -- have a wee bit of a racist streak in them? I mean it's the 21st century and they talk like frickin backwater bigots. But oh yeah. Then, after attacking Obama as being unelectable because he's black, they finish by saying Hillary would be the first female president in U.S. history! Turn it around folks -- it's like saying Hillary is unelectable because she's a woman but Barak would be the first black president in U.S. history! We are back to the era where the Clintons and Clinton supporters engaged in highly embarrassing and transparent mental gymnastics. And only a Democratic power couple that trumpets itself as pro-civil rights and progressive could get away with so grossly trashing the first black man with a real shot at the presidency. No Republican could get away with the Clintons and their supporters are doing, just like only the Clintons and their feminist and progressive supporters could trash every woman -- every "Bimbo," as the Clintons put it -- who ever threatened to erupt/stepped forward.

Do any of the people that frequent this "Anti-American" hate paper have jobs? friends? Girlfriends? I highly doubt you have said "yes" to any of these questions. Get out and see the SUN tomorrow it will do you all good. And maybe, just maybe one day you will move out of your parents basement and trade in you tinfoil hat for a college graduation "hat" ... But baby steps

Tyler, my Republican friend, i have to disagree with you on one point. The dems have a very strong and talented field this time. Actually, they are better than our candidates. But, they are on their way to lose with all their bickering and god that is a sweet sight to see.

A month ago i was totally depressed. Now, i am sure that we are going to win these elections.
As say, you give the democrats lemon and they make crap out of it. God bless the dems and once again, "It's Beginning To Look Like Christmas"

In response to Susan Rennie's question: "How is Obama, specifically and realistically can get past the polarization that is based on genuine conflict of values?"

For starters, Obama will not bring the baggage with him that Hillary carries. The people who do not support Hillary cut across all demographics. The antagonism that Hillary inspires transcends values. People don't like her, and they don't trust her. Obama represents a fresh start. He'll be slammed for sure, and people will use his teenage years (which he used as a lesson of what NOT to do), but he can prevail. Not only is he that strong, the Republican party is that weak. Both Republicans and Democrats are fed up with Bush. At this point, I think even Hillary could win, and she's incredibly polarizing. Obama can win and can command a mandate, which is important if we want anything beyond just getting a Democrat elected.

"America will not elect a liberal,inexperienced black man for President next year."

Larry, I want to thank you for your very thoughtful insight into the American electorate of the 21st century. It must be tough having your finger on the pulse of so many people's political hopes and aspirations!

There's only one small problem with your theory: There's a growing number of people like me who intend to prove you WRONG!

I don't begrudge you the right to support HRC for President. Please don't assume this support endows you with the right to tell those of us who think a little more progressively than you are wasting our vote.

Believe it or not, some of us know EXACTLY what we are doing.

Goodbye Billary. You can join Al Gore, Howard Dean, John Kerry and Michael Dukakis at the LOSERS table! Can you say President Huckabee? I can.

IT'S THE TRIANGULATION STUPID!

Yup JD, I can say "Huckabee," but it WILL be President Obama,so please practice pronouncing that.

Dickinson sweetie, it is never going to be president Obama. I know, i broke your heart and just get used to it. You dems are such cute losers. However, i advise you to learn the proper pronunciation of names of Huckabee or Romney or Guiliani because we are going to WIN this one. Gob bless the dems. Can you see that "It'S BEGINNING To LOOK LIKE CHRISTMAS"

Do any of the people that frequent this "Anti-American" hate paper have jobs? friends? Girlfriends? I highly doubt you have said "yes" to any of these questions. Get out and see the SUN tomorrow it will do you all good. And maybe, just maybe one day you will move out of your parents basement and trade in you tinfoil hat for a college graduation "hat" ... But baby steps

Posted by Concerned | December 15, 2007 6:39 PM

So what is a dazzling urbanite like you doing on here. Heed your own advise. Mount up your Blazing Saddle and head on into the sun. You do not seem to even grasp that in order to come up with your moronic rant, you too must have spent a lot of time on the site. What A Maroon!.

I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to work for the American people.” >>>>>>>

Very true statement....
B.Clinton has stated more then once that according to the bible, 'sexual relations' mean's
Intercourse, which he did not have with that particular woman, Lewinsky....
Some of you people are a real Hoot to read, lol.
Some of you still have'nt learned to keep your looong noses out of other people's marriages...

Why no comments on Pop Bush's long affair while he was married to Babs????
Why no comments how the Shrub forcing his girlfriend to have a abortion in the late 80's????

As stated, some of you people are very entertaning to the rest of the country...
Keep it up...........
Thanks

Well, Proud, I think you're wrong, and the party you're so proud to be in is sinking fast. JO, who earlier decried the liberals' lack of faith in voting for black man has reason to be concerned. Democrats have not always been brave. Where were the feminists when Bill Clinton abused his power? Where was the public outcry in general? If he'd been a Republican, all hell would have broken loose. I'm honest enough to admit when Democrats have been wrong, and I haven't always voted the party. However, the Republicans are a sinking ship, and Democrats are demonstrating that they can walk the walk. Polls indicate that Obama is gaining every day. Sorry, Proud.

pam:way to go. that didn't hurt too much now did it? and my condolences for the loss of your friends.

Dickson sweetie, i agree with you 100%. All i need is some democratic blood, that is it because it is such a sweet sight to see. The more you girlie-fights, the closer we get to the White House. Oh by the way, i am crossing party line and voting for Obama in the primary...see how supportive i am.

Yes, gotcha Proud. The oh so tired vote for Obama because then the Republicans will win song. Why don't you try another tune. There are dozens of posts playing this same sad note. Get some fresh material.

Give it up Slick Willy. Nobody likes you very much and Nobody likes Hillary either. They want to go with a winner not a winer.
Barack is the man of the Hour, the Tower of Power,
Too Sweet to be Sour.
I am not programmed. I am the Matrix.

Oh you caught me, damn i am so ashamed of myself. But can you please at least fight some more because it really really "BEGINNING TO LOOK LIKE CHRISTMAS"?

Hill has no prayer. Period.
Obama has no chance either.
Hello Mr. President HUCKABEE!!!!

I said it a year ago. And I'll say it now. The Democratic Party CAN NOT have a nominee who voted for the war.

Period.

**

I don't understand why a mostly white small state like Iowa has so much say in who our next pres will be. They have never elected a woman to any high office and 80% of the Iowa Repb. beleive GWB is doning a GREATs job. Unbeleivable

Mark Greene, you're absolutely right. This country is proud of our troops, but absolutely sick in heart and spirit of this war. Even worse, we cannot have a nominee who not only voted for this war but also provided a vote that could lead to a war in Iran.

Bill Clinton lied.

Hillary defended his lies. She lied about her own doings at the Rose Law Firm, with Whitewater, and cattle futures and more.

It cost us $40 -- $60 million dollars ??? 4 years, 6 years, 8 years????

Should we really be putting two liars back in office?

anyone but Clinton....

I will vote for Barack Obama!

Amen, eorse.

The Clinton camp definition of "experience" appears to be that she's been in the public spotlight for two generations. As if "tenure" alone makes her credible.

But what has she actually accomplished, and how has it helped the country?

Hillary is -itch; Bourack is a crackhead, Biden is i-am-to-sexy-for-myself,Richardson i don't know what he is and that is it. So, can y'all say "President Huckabee".

If I was scheduled for a flight, and the pilot called in sick, I don't think they'd send his wife to fly the plane by virtue of her being married to a pilot. Does the fact that Hillary was married to a career politician make her an experienced leader....no. So what's makes Hillary, the junior senator from New York qualified? The fact that she was so hated in her own state of Arkansas that she couldn't win, so she had to run for office in an ultra-liberal New York district speaks volumes. And for someone who pretends to be an outspoken advocate for women, when she covered up her husband's multiple sexual indiscretions (and possible sexual assaults) by smearing the accusers...what if that had been your sister or your mom, would she still get your vote? This women will say or do anything for power and god help anyone that gets in her way. Barack Obama has actually "been" a political leader (for a lot longer than a year Bill, and for a lot longer than your wife actually). He's a good family man, an experienced senator, and an honest person who is liked and respected by those he grew up with and came to represent. He is the one who can provide real change and work across party lines to get it done... and he has my vote.

Maybe next time Bill needs heart surgery, he should have his surgeon's wife perform it!

Clinton is right, the press forgives Obama but attacks Hillary.

I thought the race was Barack Obama vs. Hillary Clinton.....not Barack Obama vs. Bill Clinton, featuring Hillary

I can CSI. It is President Huckabee. Do you feel it? IT'S BEGINNING TO LOOK LIKE CHRISTMAS.

My God, could we put this to rest. Barack Obama provided information on his teenage years as an example of how NOT to behave. For those who must keep bringing this up--and I'm not referring to the many articulate Obama supporters--there is a big difference between honestly admitting your faults when you were a teenager (and honestly owning up to them) vs. making a mockery of the Oval Office or being convicted on committing a DUI as an adult and trying to sweep these "infractions" under a rug. Obama has been honest. I laughed when he commented that he never understood the "I never inhaled" comment by rebutting that inhaling was the whole point. Yes, let's look at what Obama's saying in context - I was wrong, I was young, and I admit it in contrast to Clinton or Bush who take responsibility for nothing.

Mario,

Mari is right. Nobody wants to know anything about young experimental drug use. That's over. And right nobody asked Bush anything about his drug use. We really don't care. At least the man told the TRUTH which is a far far cry from what Bill Clinton did. I bet Hillary used drugs when she was young too. She just never told anybody, but bottom line is we don't care.

Saturn's Child I am not some young underage person that cannot vote. I have voted and been involved on local, state, and federal political scene since I was 18 years old - - 30 years. Take my word for it spoken of December 15, 2007. Barack Obama will receive the Democratic nomination and he will be elected President of the United States - - you heard it here first.

Man people are just so frigging mean. I've lost my faith in American values and I don't care what political side you're on. Or is it that the internet allows peeps to just be creeps? Maybe people wer always nasty and I have been naive. In any case it depresses me....Merry Christmas...oh wait I'm not allowed to say that.

I don't care anymore who is President. This isn't the America I grew up thinking it was. It's like we're in a verbal civil war. There is as much hatred here as there is in American hating countries. I guess the terrorist really did win.

I agree with the republican wackos who said that we were given lemons and we are making crap out of it.

Dickinson, i don't know how old you are, but Marijuana and cocaine are not the same kind of drugs. One is recreational and the other is highly addictive. I am not saying this because i am a Hillary supporter or a Obama one (in fact i am a Edwards supporter), but i am saying this because it took 9 years to get over my cocaine addiction. Obama made a huge mistake when he was in his 20s (that is not the same thing as a teen) and that shows a tremendous lack of judgment. I am a democrat and i former cocaine addict as well, and the fact he smoke cocaine or snorted it show me his lack of judgment and i will not vote for Obama on this basis. So, please stop excusing and justifying the inexcusable and unjustifiable.

I'm forever bemused by the near-worshipful responses to Bill Clinton among many Democrats.

Yes, I miss him, and the country has gotten worse each day that W. Bush has illegitimately occupied the White House.

But Bill Clinton does not, never has, and probably never will represent what the Democratic Party is truly about.

His founding role in the Democratic Leadership Council, his support for NAFTA and welfare repeal, for the death penalty...no matter what his political skills, these facts are just a few that mark Clinton as a negative departure for the Democratic Party.

He benefits mainly from the following: that his predecessor and successor are such scum, and that his Republican opponents, starting in 1994 and continuing until the wholly unjustified impeachment, were obnoxious fools who went too far and self-destructed while Clinton sweated it out.

But it's 2008 now, and the Clintons have had their turn. I'm OK with a Hillary presidency. But I'm fired up about an Obama presidency and so are growing numbers of people. Bill Clinton's not right on everything just because he's a gifted speaker and politician. And he happens to be wrong about Obama.

I volunteered at an Obama rally in Kansas City back in May. Have been to lots of rallies but never anything with this sheer electricity. All sorts of people whom you rarely see at such events--i.e., young people--were there, with enthusiasm bordering on euphoria.

Sorry, Hillary just doesn't have that. And Obama has plenty of substance to go with his undeniably charismatic style. Voting for him is no more of a risk than voting for Bill Clinton was back in '92. Those of us who remember Bill in the days before he walked on water know a fuller picture. And so does Bill.

Besides, I find the whole idea of Bill's extended color commentary on the campaign unsavory and distracting, to put it politely. There should be a role for him, yes. But at this point he's in danger of overstepping his bounds. There comes a time when the old should step aside for the new, and we're in that time now. Bill can be a marvelous campaigner for Obama, if Obama wants that.

1. Experience? Clintons? Remember back when the horny hillbilly was running against Bush Sr. ?
The Clintons then said experience was not a perquisite for the top job. More Clinton flip flop.

2. Why would you want a certified liar out stumping your credentials.

3. Hillary's experience is in handling marital affairs and not foreign affairs. Her biggest accomplishment in 8 years at the White House was organizing the annual Easter Egg hunts.

A commenter above pretty much summed it up:

"I'd rather have a young, but competent doctor than an experienced one who's committed malpractice."

Wow.

Pam, you're right. The element of nastiness has risn. However, this is hardball, and, while I won't sink to name calling, racism, or sexism, I will counter comments that warrant them. Proud, your acronym CSI is ambiguous. It could mean that you can stand idiots, which is apparent given that you consort with them. It could also mean cystoplasmic sperm injection, which would be unfortunate as you should not procreate.

I am a New York State Resident and Hillary has not done a thing for this State. The Democrats have ruined this state. High Car Insurance, Higher Taxes and Unfriendly to Business. People that can get out are moving out. This is a welfare State. They take the taxes of people who are still working and give it to the Non-Workers. Hillary , Schumer, and of course out Wonder Governor Mr. "Day One" Spitzer and the others are ruining this state. Why anyone would think she can run the country is a mystery to me!!!

pam:if i may. your being too hard on yourself. there are different degree's of people. ya got to understand that. just be yourself and don't give a hoot what anyone else thinks and you'll be alright. for the most part, people are ok. hang in there and, many, many merry christmas's to you. you got a good sense of humor too.

Merry Christmas, Pam. And to hell with all the PC crap.

I find it disturbing, in a country of 300 million people, that so many people would choose the son or wife of a former president as the best person for the job.

These political dynasties, whether Bush, Clinton, or Kennedy are a long term threat to the republic. Increasingly it doesn't seem to matter if you are the best person for the job if you don't come from the right family.

Didn't we fight a revolution, in part, to eliminate this sort of thing?

For some to suggest that Obama's experience in the Illinois State Legislature is comparable to experience on the national stage is a complete joke. The types of issues that state legislators deal with are on a completely different level than those on the national stage. Obama is a likable person, but I believe at this point he is a lot more 'fluff' than substance...and Republicans will eat him alive in a general election. Obama needs to earn some credentials before he runs for the highest office in the land. I always vote Democrat, but I would have a very hard time voting for Obama because in my head I know that he is truly not qualified for the position. I do not have these qualification doubts when looking at Hillary Clinton. I hope enough people come to the realization that we are voting for POTUS and not for American Idol.

If Bill Clinton wants to help Hillary he should have told her to get rid of those Mao-looking pant suits. She has been planning on running for years, you would think she would have tried to loose some of that big donkey butt and thunder thighs. She can't manage her weight, how can she manage the country. I'm sure she has done the numbers and is going after the fat people and men bigg butt lovers.

Bill Clinton started the ever increasing tension in the World of US Politics. It wasnt 9/11 or Bush, or Iraq, it was that lying pud Bill Clinton who created the greatest conflict amongst Americans since the Civil War.
As he looked into the adorning eyes of America,
"I did not have sexual relations with that girl."

I have never in my life seen such a convincing liar as Bill Clinton. He forever changed any type of dignity for politicians. If the President of the US can look into the camera and flat out lie to you, than who cant. Its every person for themselves!!!!!

This is nonsense.

When you look at the demoncrate candidates, ask yourself one question. Which one would I trust my life or the life of of my kids with? In the end, that's what it will come down to.
All of the are incompetent decision makers.
Plain and simple.
In the war on terrorism, when it hits home in your neighborhood, at your kids school, which one of these candidates is going to step up to the plate and do what has to be done without having to consult with everyone else first?
Hillary is a great example of inept decision making. Review any answer to any question ask of her. A decisive answer is furthest from her reach. She has now idea of what a straight answer is.
Good luck with your life.

Real people see fraud in Hillary, the heart of this country is in Iowa! To me 8 years of Bill Clinton the biggest gas bag fraud ever to be president, an Hillary is 100% worse exept no one can stand her! Bill is right she will loose by 15% in Iowa no matter how much voter fraud she creates.

That's right, Hillary sis bring more money home than Bill! Remember her cattle futures - swett deal!

We are better than this. No one thought the Cold War would end, but it did. We've often accomplished the impossible, but we have to have conviction and the courage to dream. I do not support Hillary Clinton, but I'm not slamming her because she's a woman; I'm not name-calling, and I'm not, as Bigmarunga chooses to do, disparaging her weight. Could we possibly stick to the issues? A real leader could lead to change and a county that's less polarized. Dare to dream the dream. I do.

IT'S BEGINNING TO LOOK LOT LIKE CHRISTMAS.
President Huckabee, isn't that short and sweet?

Correct, New Yorker. And to expand upon your point ... whenever, and wherever, liberalism has been used as a basis for political direction, it has failed. And miserably.

Bill Clinton is very worried about losing Iowa and Iowa will be Clintons Waterloo...
Anyway, Obama is very likly to be the Democratic nominee as Clintons and Edwards starts to fade.

THE REAL "LEADER" IN THIS SHOW OF SHOWS IS MITT ROMNEY. A LEADER IN PRIVATE LIFE, A LEADER IN THE OLYMPIC CHAOS, A LEADER IN THE MOST LIBERAL OF STATES IN US. HE HAS AN ACCOMPLISHMENT EVEN THEW ADULTRESS CANT MATCH !!

Do we really need a completely inexperienced, former cokehead for president? I realize that's a slight misrepresentation of the facts - at least Bush had 6 years of experience in running the third-largest state. Obama? He ran a church outreach program in Chicago. I suppose that's kind of similar to running the US government, no? I guess we've become comfortable with being a laughing stock in the world's eyes and we deserve all the consequences if we actually elect this clown.

If he wasn't black, he wouldn't have been elected in Illinois, and he'd be polling behind Chris Dodd today (assuming he could have somehow gotten into this race). I suppose racism really is alive and well in this country.

Well Steven, it sounds you are the a herd too following the crowd...
Clintons are done let's face it! only reason they are in panic mode and bashing Obama is because they never thought that their dynasty will fall at the hands of a black person. They always looked at maybe republicans were after their destiny not a fellow Dem. who is black for crying out loud. What is wrong Bill Clinton, you cherished the fact that you were called the first black president; now here is a potential President who is truely black and you wont support him, instead you are bashing him ,hypocrite!

Dickinson1991.

I agree that the country has become polarized and stagnant. Unfortunately I see no change. I beleive that the democrat and republican parties today are not the same and neither represents the views of the majority. There is a large group of people who are not satisfied with either party. However these parties have all the power,money and influence to snuff out any chance of a third party . There will be no change until the system is changed and until then we will be stuck with choices of crooks,liars,drug addicts and people who have seen aliens.

-----AND EVEN IF THE CLINTONS WERE SUCCESSFULL IN GETING BACK INTO THE OVAL OFFICE -- WHICH ONE WOULD BE THE VICE PRES ??

One seems to have to read between the lines of everything that Mr. Clinton says. The Charlie Rose interview is a glaring example. Therefore, a determination of the attititude he displays, is a much better measure of his inner thoughts.
Sadly, in Charlie Rose's interview, his attitude was that Mrs. Clinton is entitled to the presidency and Mr. Obama, an unprincipled interloper, should not be allowed to deprive her of it.
As a true patriot, if Mr. Clinton were really sincere about the primacy of experience, in a run for the presidency; and, as he said in the interview, thinks highly of the experiences of Richardson, Dodd and Biden, he should have endorsed and supported their candidacies, ahead of his wife's. By his logic, wouldn't it have served the country better? How much more disingenuous can he show himself to be!
WintonyMay.

if Clintons are successfull? ( it is never happen) Monica would be Vice...lol

Thank you, WintonMay. However, I think Mr. Clinton can sink even lower. He had no intention of endorsing Richardson, Biden, or Dodd (or even Edwards, whom he also praised). Clinton was intent on indirectly disparaging Barama (even though it clearly pained him - ha!). Further, his comments and his body language grew more diffuse and distraght as the interview continued. By its pathetic end, you could see that Charlie Rose was clearing trying to find some graceful way to end the debacle.

I fail to see why anyone would vote for either party, let alone a Democrat. I look at the two parties as 2 cars heading for a brick wall, one is going 90 M.P.H. (The democrats), and the other 50 M.P.H.9 Republicans). Either way you're going to hit the wall, it just depends on how fast that happens.

Why do people buy into the retoric that comes from these power hungry egotists. Are you that shallow and nieve? Do the country a favor and get a clue!

Unfortunately for you libs/leftists -- and it is good news for me -- none of your top tier of candidates has a high 'electability' factor.

Hillary is hated by a declared near majority of the country. Her negatives are unparalleled in American presidential political campaigns.

Obama is inexperienced and, rightfully or not, carries the baggage of being black and having a muslim name, background, and heritage. I think his numbers go down significantly behind the closed curtains of a poll booth.

Edwards is the quintessential phony trial lawyer. His obvious insincerity and willingness to say or do anything for a vote turns him off to many.

Yes, Democrats, go ahead and have your little primary party and coronation; and prepare for another defeat. Several of the Republican candidates are much more genuine, mainstream Americans.

New York, you are right on! if someone can't effectively run a city, a county, a state what makes them qualified to run the best country in the world. I think my mother should be president: as an illerate, single mother, she raised 6 us kids she made it important to get an education and rely on yourself and no one else to support you. Her sacrifices for us kids taughts to be thankfull, appreciative and become hard working. as the oldest kids got to working age they pulled in and helped the rest of the family watching for the youngest. She ran a tight, efficient ship. My youngest brother just graduated from college with a Business degree. She raised us conserative and supreme power fearing kids in god. She never relied on the goverment to provide anything for the family. Now i am called a republican but I feel i am American who live the American Dream with no goverment intervention.

EXCUSE ME, Briles, but being black is not "baggage," and I won't even go into the fact that most natural scientists refute the notion of race. Obama, not that this is germane, is a Christian. I am a Catholic, but I'm voting for the person who demonstrates the ability to turn this nation in a positive direction. How dare you insinuate that being "black" is baggage? Are you living in this century? Have you evolved at all?!! Shame on you.


Dickinson1991 --

Perhaps you misinterpreted my post. I stated that being black will be held against him by a number of voters -- I did not endorse the position myself. Unfortunately, being black hurts his electability. Also, rightfully or not, his Muslim background, he attended madrassas school for several years and practiced islam as a youth, further impacts his electability -- some actually feel there is a risk he is a muslim plant (ever see the Manchurian Candidate?). And, the black separatist rantings/ravings of his church and its pastor has not yet even been discussed in the media -- but it will be.

Just a word from the wise to you Dems/libs/leftists, neither Hillary, Obama, nor Edwards can be elected.

Yes, Hillary has more experience than Obama. More experience at how to get big $$$$ from the big corporations. More experience at how to fake looking like a Democrat when she pussyfoots with the republican agenda. More experience at using her woman status to get emotional votes from people who wanted to see a woman run. More experience in lying. More experience in saying exactly what she thinks voters want to hear. More experience in riding on the coattails of a famous family member. More experience, more experience. Heck, if we want someone with experience, maybe we could change the constitution and run the idiot for a third term - there's your experience!

Obama for President.

As to Hillary's experience.... As a senator she introduced 339 bills, 293 of which died unnoticed in committee. Her performance rate, according to the non-partisan GovTrack.us, is "very poor" in comparison with other senators. Her experience consists of introducing bills that sound noble and/or currently critical, but she fails to muster the support to make any difference at all. Most of her successful sponsorships are for pure fluff. Verify all by going to the public records through www.GovTrack.us where the full text of the introduced bills and their status are given.

I'd say that Charlie Rose interview comes pretty close to Bill Clinton closing the door, on campaigning for Obama as the Nominee. Now, if you had told me such an outcome 9 months ago, I would not have believed it.

As for Obama, the US was in part founded on the principle of citizens, not royals or dynasties, stepping up to elected office. It's incredibly ironic that we have lost sight of that. Obama is right down the strike zone of the kind of person who can become President, in this country.

Hillary Clinton simply has no talent for this. She is rudderless. Alot of very smart, capable people are like that. At bottom, she really doesn't know what to think about most issues because she arrives at such ideas through a process that is totally different. She is a classic Senator, not an executive. Looks at here vote with Bush on Iran just 6+ weeks ago. It's not so much that she is calculating, it's really that she doesn't have a clue.

If Hillary was a calculating as people think, she would not have failed like she has with the audience. She'd a dud.

Obama will make a seriously good President.

Dear Briles -

Quoting you: "I did not endorse the position myself. Unfortunately, being black hurts his electability."

Forgive my gaffe. I didn't realize you were only trying to protect Obama. Of course you weren't being racist; you're only stating the facts. Thank you for the clarification. I'm sure there are plenty of concerned racist voters who will share your opinion.

I'm concerned, too. How will this nation embrace change as long as many of the voters have IQ's that waver below the level of broccoli?

Excuse me...I favor Bill Clinton..but when he mentions foreign experience, and "one year"..wasn't Bill the governor of Arkansas, I don't see where that qualifies him to exclude Barack's Senate experience.


Dickinson1991

I assume 1991 is your birth year and, thus, your maturation and education not yet nearly complete.

You stated the very same thing that I did -- then you castigate me for it.

You recognized some voters will not vote for Obama because he is black -- that is all I said as well.

Don't worry, with aging you may yet lose your naivete and become a realist.

A sad fact... Good news for our Country is Bad News for the DEMS/LIBS/PROGRESSIVES/SOCIALIST..

But BAD NEWS FOR OUR COUNTRY.... IS GOOD NEWS FOR FOR ALL YOU LEFTYS ... Thats a FACT

Dear Briles,

Nope. 1991 is the year I earned my Ph.D. There is a huge difference between stating that being black is "baggage" and stating that some racist voters will dismiss Obama.

You also assumed that if I were born in 1991, I would be naive. Try to overcome these tendencies to generalize. I know a lot of very bright young people, and they would slice through your rhetoric in a heart beat. You're wrong all the way around, Briles, and you cannot camouflage your prejudices.

He needs to stop doing interviews.

Mrs. Clinton has served one full term in the Senate to Mr. Obama's half a term. Mr. Obama also served in the state legislature of Illinois. I'm not aware of Mrs. Clinton having held a previous elected position. The experience card is a canard. Further, Mr. Clinton chose an unfortunate, but purposeful phrase with the subtle racism of Americans "rolling the dice" with Barack Obama. Mr. Clinton is sweating because his wife's campaign blunders are not half so damning as her votes in the Senate. Her Iran vote may sink her. It caused the Democratic base voters who still loved Bill, despite his performance, to wonder if her need to look tough and her complicated relationship with Israel might in fact give them more of the same madness instead of change. Her numbers have been dropping ever since and took a nose dive with the release of the NIE. That's why Bill's shaking and his rosacea is acting up. If Mr. Clinton's test is actually about measuring the candidate's experience in bringing about positive change in the lives of Americans his candidate should be Dennis Kucinich.

I was once a democrat, but I have had to change to be able to support Ron Paul. He has the experience and voting record none of the others can come close to, Rep. or Dem.

My goodness you'd think Bill was running for President. The passion,the half truths, the outright lies! How did he keep a straight face. I like you Bill but you being president for life is not what we had in mind. It is time for new ideas, a new way of doing things. The American public is tired of being played like pawns in this "global economy chessboard" and tired of people that think that it is necessary to throw crumbs to the masses and wealth to the privileged few.. You did good things and I voted for you twice without regret. But you also gave us Nafta, Cafta, media ownership relaxation (Mr. Rupert Murdock says thanks)and you are a little too chummy with Papa and Mama Bush.

Thanks for your fine service but it is time for a New Vision. Take your wife home, continue both your profitable and non-profit works and enjoy your lives....America has been very good to you. And yes, OBAMA has the audacity to challege you and the missus. What a great country!!!

Des Moines Register endorses Clinton and McCain. I like Obama a LOT, but i have to agree with the Des Moines Reg.

Oh by the way, Dickson, i read all your previous post, and i am sure that you got your Ph.D from a cereal box. My goodness, have you ever taken a statistics course? Have you ever looked at a raw data sets and analyzed? Well if you have and you have an analytical mind, you would do the math and find out that if Hillary carries the same states that Kerry did, she would win. She is also in position to ad to her numbers 4 percentage points mainly from women votes and 6 percentage points from Latinos/Hispanic votes--i.e, she would be able to carry 2 more states, which means the presidency.

The votes she loses on the right, she would make for it by getting more women + Latinos/Hispanics. It is pure math dude.

It sounds as though Hillary exerted a certain amount of pressure to get her endorsement. Her endorsement came only after a personal visit to the Des Moines Register by Bill Clinton. Does this sound like politics as usual? By the way, the Boston Globe endorsed Barack Obama.

Thanks, Manchester, but you, as Briles, are also wrong. I got my Ph.D. from a reputable state college in a competitive program. I realize Ph.D's are targets, but many of us have earned the degrees. I'm a tenured professor and try to study politics rather than jump to conclusions. Do you know of people that have earned a Ph.D. from a cereal box?

I did take a statistics course and earned an A--sorry to contradict your assumptions. The polls, at this point, are not convincing. Obama is doing well, and the polls post-Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina may be revealing.

If it isn't Hillary Plants throwing softballs at debates (Is it diamonds or pearls?), then it's Hillary Sock Puppets singing a chorus of "Hillary Will be Our Savior" on the blogs.

Wake up people! Hillary is insincere and deceitful. Her first instinct when caught in an embarrassing situation is to lie - or blame someone else. She didn’t miss a beat after she threw Shaheen under the bus. Whenever she gets in trouble, be it with flip-flops or spiteful innuendo, Bill trots out to "make nice" and cover her ass with excuses - the media is biased, her opponents are being "mean", people just don't realize how smart she is, etc. If she can't even run her own campaign how in hell can she run our country, protect us from a bunch of angry, blood thirsty Jihadists and keep the economy growing?

Speaking of Bill; I seriously wonder if he's suffering from an early onset of Alzheimer's or dementia. Lately, it seems he can barely string a couple of words together to make a complete or coherent sentence.

Who, in their right minds, really wants to go back to the '90's with this bizarre couple? Has everyone forgotten about the scandals du jour and assorted sex-capades? Let me remind you - in no particular order: Travelgate, Gennifer & Monica, Cattle Futures, Troopergate, missing files from the Rose Law firm, WhiteWatergate, Vince Foster, missing FBI files, Ron Brown, Funding Fraud - more recently, Norman Hsu and Chinese dish washers - the list is endless.

Hillary is divisive, corrupt, a power hungry and congenital liar. She has no vision other than her own personal gain. She has no leadership experience, unless you count the Bimbo patrol. For years she’s been content to be exploited and publicly humiliated by a philandering sex addicted husband. I truly believe she feels she deserves the presidency for no other reason than as a “reward” for being a loyal wife.

Sadly, she still may grab the nomination. Heck, she could even win the general election simply because she has the uninformed vote, the fraud vote, the racist minority vote, the felon vote, the illegal alien vote, the 'I want' vote, the union vote, and the dead constituent vote. Oh, yeah, and the BDS fanatic vote from the folks who still don't realize Bush isn't on the ballot.

Front-runners do NOT make statements like that unless they are maneuvering for position, for some special gain. Odd how it exactly matches up with Bill's talk about it taking a miracle for Hillary to win now. This is being synchronized between them.

A reporter said a few weeks ago that Hillary needed to break up her image of invincibility/inevitability as it was making her supporters complacent & annoying the other voters with her perceived smugness. Reporter said an initial loss might actually be very good for her - play into her being torn down by "The Man", inducing her supporters to "rise Up" & "Save her".

I figure Bill's line about it would be a miracle if Hillary wins Iowa is EXACTLY that sort of playing with voter emotions. You NEVER say, "gee, it would take a miracle for me to win..." UNLESS you think you see some advantage to such an uncommon & unlikely position.

Dickensen,

I read the article and left my opinion. I have been mocked and attacked. Then I get this:

"Proud, your acronym CSI is ambiguous. It could mean that you can stand idiots, which is apparent given that you consort with them. It could also mean cystoplasmic sperm injection, which would be unfortunate as you should not procreate."

When I was in my twenties I lost my best friend and sister because her doctor gave her two medications that interacted. A month to the day after her death I was brutally raped resulting in my in ability to procreate.

I've always tried to believe that even after this that most people are good and kind. I guess I was wrong....and I no longer care what happens in this stupid world. Go on hating everyone...prove that America isn't that great.

Absolutely, Robert Hartley (and Barb Dwyer). Bill is setting the stage for Hillary's loss in Iowa and making it seem as if it were ordained and not at all her fault. Now, according to this convoluted reasoning, her loss will seem inconseqential. Give us all a break. Hillary Clinton is dropping like a rock, and Bill is her anchor.

Pam - I had no idea you were posting under two different names: Pam and Proud to be a Republican. Then, unfortunately, I lack a crystal ball and could not have possibly known your personal situation. Are you serious? Do you expect anyone to know this when you post under two very different names and do not divulge your circumstances?

Your Proud to be a Republican posts do not align well with your posts about being disappointed with a divided nation. Clarify your position. I'm sorry for your circumstances, but not at all sorry that I responded to your posts. It appears that you are seeking attention and sympathy. If so, I'd go with the Pam posts and skip the sarcastic Proud to be Republicans missives.

Dickenson,

I guess because your post had no break I didn't realize you were referring to Proud to be Republican. I guess it just triggered some bad memories.

Sorry Dickenson because I really was surprised as your responses are well though out and intelligent.

As for seeking attention or sympathy...there is nothing that could heal what I lost. I wanted to point out that there are people behind the posts.

Take care Sir. Best of everything to you and your family.

Dickinson, i am not talking about current statewide or even nationwide polls. Those surveys are not raw data, they are analyzed data. What i am talking about is a longitudinal comparative analysis of survey data. That means you take the 2000 and 2004 exit polls and forecast what may happen in 2008 based on observed trends (demographic as well as socio-economic). Granted only a two time period is small sample (my p-value isn't that great either for the sake of disclosure, but it is just above .05), but it yields some positive results nonetheless.

As for Ph.Ds from cereal boxes, there are plenty. They are called online universities.

Again, Dickinson, i am not interested in the debate of whether Hillary is better than Obama or vice-versa. Quite frankly, it is a childish debate and you folks are offering such a despicable spectacle to the Republicans. I am ashamed. I am more interested in winning, and i think this should be the bottom line for all of us democrats, ideology and likability notwithstanding. Right now, it looks to me that Obama could not win. Hillary can increase the women's vote which would almost guarantee her Florida (an increase of 2% in women's vote in Florida would carry the state by 7 percentage points). I haven't crunched the numbers for other states, but it seems that this electoral trend could happen in several battle ground states. This is why i am voting for Senator Clinton. All the rest is not important to me.

As for my credentials, let just say that i am tenured in a large university in Florida, and i do social science.

President Clinton had about as much experience as Senator Obama, when he ran for President. That is exactly why he was so attractive and fresh.

It is for the same reasons we are getting behind Senator Obama, as we did with him.

Again we have allowed Republicans and Corporate America take control of this country and make a complete mess.

We need to install someone who is just not associated at all with the mess that has been made.

You cannot take money from these people and expect them to not call you on it.

We are tired as hell of this kind of crap in our government.

We want the money out of our government so we can focus on really getting the job done and every elected official needs to get used to just doing the job and leaving the money alone.

All right, Pam - but you needed to read the post more carefully. When I addressed "Proud," that is the way I started the sentence. I was not addressing you. I care deeply about this country, and I care deeply about the rights of both and men; I have three sons and a daughter. I'm sorry you misinterpreted my post. You're right; nothing could heal what you've lost. However, I genuinely belive that this nation is seeking change and a positive--not divisive--direction.

Best regards,

A married, admittedly feminist woman, who has an open mind

"Precisely, they run like a pack of dogs from HuffPo and every other anti Hillary blog, to sing the praises of "Oprah's Messiah", and damn ClINTON THE EXPERIENCE CANDIDATE, they gather like screaming children in the street. Many of these people don't vote, aren't old enough to vote, and know zero about potitics, or what they are voting for, they are in a movement, their movement. They could care less that Obama would lose a National Election by a landslide, they are in their movement. The sadness is, a large part of this movement are Republicans cashing in on an opportunity to destroy the Democrat they realize they cannot defeat.

Obama is this years Ralph Nader..."
Saturn's Child is right. Doesn't anybody wonder why the repugs are attacking Clinton and Edwards but giving Obama a free pass?

Last look before i go to bed, and what i see, more democrats fighting, hummmm sweet.

Heay, Dickinson, i never complained about our nation being divided. Au contraire mon ami, i love that our nation is divided...the more wedges we created, the easier for us to win. As for the rest of the crap you wrote (sorry about personal circumstances and all of that), i never wrote that. You must be smoking crack or snorting cocaine just like the Democratic Nominee Barak Osama.

Again, It's Beginning to look LOT like Christmas

Dear Manchester,

Wonderful; I'm glad that you "do" social sciences at a large university and that you consider "analyzed" rather than "raw" data. However, numbers can do what you want them to do, and no one knows what the data will will predict post-January. And here's just a thought - why not vote for the candidate that you believe in rather than the candidate that you think--statistically--will win? It's just a thought, but integirty has merit.

you obama fans are very surprising. you are a herd, you go to every article and spew garbage. clinton is one of the BEST political strategist out there and he will see things the way they appear to him. just dont herd around every small article.


Posted by chris | December 15, 2007 4:38 AM

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Precisely, they run like a pack of dogs from HuffPo and every other anti Hillary blog, to sing the praises of "Oprah's Messiah", and damn ClINTON THE EXPERIENCE CANDIDATE, they gather like screaming children in the street. Many of these people don't vote, aren't old enough to vote, and know zero about potitics, or what they are voting for, they are in a movement, their movement. They could care less that Obama would lose a National Election by a landslide, they are in their movement. The sadness is, a large part of this movement are Republicans cashing in on an opportunity to destroy the Democrat they realize they cannot defeat.

Then we have the press, the good old reliable press, always up for a good Clinton bashing. The press in this country is one of the worst elements of our society, they are worthless, completely worthless, they are the jackels that swope in to devour the what remains after the lies and half-truths have done their damage.

Obama is this years Ralph Nader.....

Posted by Saturn's Child | December 15, 2007 6:35 AM

Chris, Saturn's Child.....you are right!!!!!!! I believe these Hillary haters and Obama defenders are ruthless republicans in disguise. I hope Hillary wins the nomination & presidency!

Rob, there are a lot of people who don't endorse Hillary, but also don't hate her. I belive Obama is the best candidate, but I think HRC, Obama, Edwards, and possibly Biden (whom I respect) could win the Democratic nomination. Don't generalize; being an Obama supporter does not mean being a Hillary hater. Rob, if you aren't campaigning for the Republican party, you should be, because your rhetoric is right on target.

Ed, i wholeheartedly agree with your post. However, i beg to differ only on one small point.

Obama is not this year's Ralph Nader. He is this year's Senator George McGovern. Remember how Nixon was scared to death of Ed Muskie and tricky dick did everything to destroy him and keep him from getting the nomination. Remember how all the hippies supported McCovern. Well, Karl Rove and the republican cadre, and nowadays hippies are doing their best to help Obama win the nomination. I have been a democrat for a long long time. And man I can tell you that Obama is George McGovern and you know what happened to McGovern...he lost. No, i am sorry. He did not lose, he got trounced. If remember correctly i think he managed to win one state only (correct on this point if i'm wrong)

I don't hate this country; I'm proud of it. When are people going to speak out against the racism that clearly being leveled at Obama? He's not not a mirage. He has an excellent chance of winning this presidency, particularly given a nation that is repelled by what Hillary Clinton represents. Stand proud. Vote for someone who cares. Republicans want us to nominate Hillary because she is far less likely to win. Despite the very poor candidates the Republicans have to offer, Hillary Clinton is divisive. She could win, but she would not have a mandate. Think about this.

Mr. Dickinson, you just said something that shows your deep ignorance about statistics and mathematical modeling. You said, "numbers can do what you want them to do." That is utterly false, incorrect and if you were my student i would give you an F. I am now sure that you took an intro course of statistics. However, if you have taken advanced statistical courses (which i think every social science Ph.D. candidate must take) beyond the easy intro required course, you would not have made such a statement.

Mathematics and mathematical modeling (that is what statistics are in fact) are not here to suit our desires. Mathematical modeling follow rules, conventions, axioms, properties and so forth. You take raw data, you code it, you analyze it and look how you dependent variable vary taking into consideration a certain set of independent variables and control variables. Are there biases? Yes, if you suck at what you do, and i don't.

Good luck to you Sir or Madame.

It's amazing how money has taken over the Democratic Party. That used to be the Republican's game.
Joe Biden is the best qualified candidate in either party. He is also the best qualified to unify congress so decent legislation has a chance to be approved. What a shame he is ignored by the media....

Does anyone else think that Bill is coming undone? He once was unflappable, was able to assess the political situation, navigate, and make you feel understood.

Watching just a small snippet of Charlie Rose, Bill was completely thrown off by Rose's questions (in the part I saw, Rose asked Bill if what he was saying referred to Obama). Bill backed off, and sounded like he was supporting Obama. He said more positive things about Obama than he did about Hillary.

Bill misstepped at other events too: he said he didn't support the war, when he did. He claimed people are loyal to Hillary when they get to know her (Bill should not be allowed to use the word loyal when talking about Hillary. Aside from his actions, she was kicked out of his administration because people loathed work with Hillary. Bill's advisors are now supporting Barack). The Rose interview is perplexing. I think he's lost his touch.

On another note, Hillary is not electable, aside from the polls, look at the Clinton record:

THE HISTORY:

1. In the 90s the Republicans regained the Congress for the first time in decades.

2. Dems lost 9 Governor positions.

3. Al Gore, the sitting VP, lost the following election.

4. Hillary did win the Senate. She claims campaign prowess got her there. In reality, Giuliani dropped out of the Senate race with Hillary, she basically had no opponent. Her re-election opponent was under funded. So, she can't claim her Senate seat as proof of knowing how to win.

5. Two seats in the Congress were just now won by Republicans when campaigns linked the Dem contenders to Hillary.


THE PATTERN:

The Clintons are lethal to the Dem party, as much as people may remember the Clinton years fondly, it is not the Clintons who can bring them back.


THE 2008 PREDICTION

2008 prediction: If Hillary is the Democratic nominee, Republican's win the presidency. We can see that people WILL vote against her. We can see now that she can not run a successful campaign, even against someone she claims has no experience.

Thanks to Dick Morris at http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316905,00.html

And to jayknoespel14 | December 11, 2007 09:31 PM from
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/12/clinton_seeks_to_regain_electa.html?hpid=topnews

Get a grip, Manchester. Numbers do what you want then to do because they are subject to human intervention and agenda - garbage in, garbage out. Numbers are not pure. You, perhaps, may be. I'm happy to know that you don't "suck" at it, as you so eloquently put it, but I'm fairly sure you aren't privy to the national polls as they evolve.

I'm just one more middle aged (49 year old) white guy here to say that the Clinton's bore me, and Edwards and Obama excite me.

I'd vote for Edwards, happily. I'd vote for Obama, only slightly less happily because I'm less confident of his ability to stand up to the corporations. And as for Clinton, she's all about doing their bidding.

More importantly, Hillary Clinton cannot win a national election. She lacks the experience and the charisma needed.

Also, the nepotism thing just galls me. The Democrats don't stand for much, but surely they can avoid becoming a second dynastic party.

Now, i fairly certain that you found your Ph.D. in a cereal box. Whoever does not believe in the power and the rectitude of mathematic is an ignorant. Do you even know what a mathematical model looks like? Do you even know what a mathematical model is? How have ever constructed one? Do you even know how to analyze a raw data set? From what you said, i am certain you have never done so. You are blinded by your ideology myopia. In fact, you are just like those right wing nuts. No rational thinking whatsoever. When a tenured professor (i am sure you are in one of those humanity departments or a very poor social scientist)makes such statement about mathematics, that scares me more than the election of Mike Huckabee because your intellectual dystrophy and calcification put our country's future in serious jeopardy.

Dear Dickenson,

Meep, sorry I thought you were male...probably the name. In any case I respect your opinions and am glad I had a chance to read what you have had to say. I think you made me realize that I need to simmer down and look at all the issues and give people's opinions more weight than I have.

Again take care. Hugs to the kids.

Manchester, this is an idiotic debate. I'm not going to contest whose Ph.D. is better. I'll leave that up to you. However, if you truly believe that political polls are a matter of science and pure mathmathetics, you are deluded, and few people would share your optimism.

However, carry on - you clearly have some venom you need to get out of your system.

Regards

Now let me see --

Bill got us into unmonitored NAFTA

Was the first to tax social securty payments

Fixed social security by understating inflation thereby reducing salary increases so the middle class could fall behind even faster.

Hillary hasn't accomplished anything more important than flag burning bills in the Senate and voted for both Iraq and Iran.

No matter how you slice this, Obama is better in each and every dimension.

Not only you lack basic understanding of mathematics you also have serious lacunae in basic English comprehension. Read what i wrote. I do my own analysis from raw data. I do not relay on public polls. Again, i based my analysis on the gender gap, an increase in women's vote, and Latinos/Hispanics votes taking into consideration the 2000 and the 2004 exit polls data and several other thing...who am i talking to anyway?

Sorry for wasting my time and yours. Again, i cannot believe in today's America that we have associate professors who do not believe in mathematics. My goodness, this is really a serious problem for our country.

Manchester, I believe the word you were grappling for was "relying" rather than "relaying." I'm not sure sure the English lacunae resides with me. I am a full professor in English, not an assoicate professor, if that makes you feel better. I believe in mathmatics; however, I don't believe that political polls are beyond question. Does anyone?

Let's stop this absurdity. We differ in our opinions; we don't need to resort to personal attacks. Do we?

No, this discussion is not about Obama and Clinton. It is about the future of America. When you say that mathematics is "garbage in and garbage out" and then you stated that you are a full professor, i got scared, terrified, and lost sleep. I don't care who wins this election as long as our universities produce rational thinking men and women who believe in the power of science. I am tired of the pundits and the professors like yourself who think mathematical modeling is some kind of absurd science or some kind of astrology. Did we send a man to the moon by computing garbage in and out? Did we invent the computer by putting garbage in and out? Have we made all this scientific progress my putting garbage in and out? Ask yourself Sir.

Mathematical modeling sir surrounding almost every step that you take every day. Did you pay you last car insurance? Do you know how the insurance company got that quote? They use a mathematical model. Do have a credit score? I am sure you do. Do you know who they get number? It is by using mathematical model. Do you have credit cards with APR(s)? Do you know how they calculated or determined that APR? They used a mathematical model? Have you gotten a mortgage lately or gotten a life insurance? Do you know how they got those. Well you guessed it, they used a mathematical model to determine your risk behavior, finance, your health record sometimes and so forth. The basic premise is the same when it comes to my forecast or to any forecast by that matter. I used a mathematical model. I was honest with you (that is my duty as scholar) when i said that the sample is small and my p-value is a bit large, but in the prediction was in the positive direction.

I will be the first one to tell you that the polls published in the newspapers/media are a bit misleading when their methodology is not accurate. However, in general, they are very reliable, though they do not offer a longitudinal analysis of the trend.

Anyway, have a good night. I am going to bed now and try not to have some kind of nightmare or cry about the future of my country.

Manchester - Let's clarify this. I did NOT say that mathmathics was "garbage in, garbabe out," but that numbers and/or data entry could result in this product. This is NOT high drama. The stakes are bigger; let's focus on that picture. If you feel--based on your mathmatical modeling--that Obama is not a viable candidate, well, fine.

However, I feel that your predictions are simply that - precitions. You cannot ensure who's going to win the Democratic election based on your modeling. As you point, out time (or "longitudal analysis") may make current predictions unreliable.

Yes, go to bed.

Regards

I know this has been said but I just want the Democrats in and Obama, who I like very much, will be ridiculed over and over by the Repubs as Osama.....his middle name Hussein......come on, I don't care myself, but THINK about what those cruel, heartless jerks will do to him in the national election???? High road, my butt, they are monstrous....Clinton can do the same....sorry folks, but we have to fight fire with fire...this is what our country has gotten to, but there is dishonestly in both parties, I just feel there is SOME heart left in a Democrat. I want to win. Clinton is mean enough to fight for it!!!

Interesting somebody who 'claims' mathematics is infallible, didn't a certain white house aid do that last election also?

Also didn't certain wall street math whizzes use mathematical models to create their derivatives which are at the very bottom of the sub-prime and credit melt-down?

My God, you get your info from Fox news??


2008 prediction: If Hillary is the Democratic nominee, Republican's win the presidency. We can see that people WILL vote against her. We can see now that she can not run a successful campaign, even against someone she claims has no experience.

Thanks to Dick Morris at http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316905,00.html

And to jayknoespel14 | December 11, 2007 09:31 PM from
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/12/clinton_seeks_to_regain_electa.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by Kiku | December 16, 2007 12:08 AM

Obama has NO SUPPORT from me or anyone in Ohio that Iknow in my age group. I am 46 year old. I vote and read the news. I have watched maybe 30 minutes in total ofthe dem and rep 'debates' in total.

Iowa and New Hampshore have NO INFLUENCE on how I will vote. This early caucus / early primary stuff is IRRELEVANT to everyone but the career politician and some 'political' types in Iowa and New Hampshire. Who cares who wins either of these small states. Iowa is all about on the ground effort and money expendedto get it done. New Hampshire is all about touches and money.

Let's see where the dem nomination process is in about 8 weeks. The college kids can be targeted to get out in one or two key areas. The 'fanatics' too in pocketed areas. Normal people like me are not voting for an unproven, non-governor like Obama. We are not voting for whoever the repub is.

This is HRC's race.

Fmr President Clinton was shameless in this and this reveals the already leaky and worried Clinton machine.

As a Republican faithful, I wish the best for Obama.

jerry walters, while I'd agree Iowa and New Hampshire are not very representative of the country, the fact is that historically they have mattered very much and will likely have a big impact again this time. To say that "normal people like you" would apparently never vote for a non-governor like Obama and then profess your support for non-governor HRC is, um, peculiar to say the least. I guess non-governor Abe Lincoln did OK. This is silly. There are many good and intelligent people who will vote for Clinton, Obama, Mitt Romney etc., But if dems keep impugning the integrity of the other guy's supporters, we might lose the general election, which should be a gimme this time.

I might advise both you and Hillary that there is a fine line between drawing contrasts and shrillness. Obama seems to have a better understanding of the difference, which is one reason he is now in the driver's seat in the first 3 states. For some politicians, the more you see the more you don't like them, but ask most people from Illinois and they will say the reverse is true for Obama.

The GOP will destroy Barack Hussein Obama the same way they destroyed Harold Ford. A black man on the dem ticket is a wet dream and last resort for the failed republican ideology. Elect Clinton and we can kill the beast while its wounded.

karma,
Your argument that Obama should not be supported because of what Republicans might do to him does not hold water. Someone who would not vote for Obama because his name sounds like Osama is insane, and to be afraid of that kind of ridiculous attack is enabling. I think any Democrat will be attacked with the same ferocity that John Kerry and Al Gore were attacked, but if HRC's recent way off-the-mark attacks on Obama's kindergarten essays and admitted drug use are an example of her "fighting", I'll take a pass thanks. I think Obama has shown the ability to punch back, but typically does so in the right tone. He seems to have a very good feel for poltical pitch and "where people are" as he recently mentioned. Reminds me of Bill Clinton back in '91. HRC reminds me more of Bob Dole.

Yeah let's don't nominate Obama because the republicans are racists. There must be more legitimate arguments against Obama than this. Why don't you go back to "lack of experience", that dog doesn't hunt either but keep it up. I'm sure glad the leaders in the civil rights movements and women's rights movements didn't take that attitude of "hey let's not make the racists and chauvinist mad with all of this legislation, country just isn't ready. I'm ready but not the country." Please

I keep hearing that HRC is the candidate with experience. Can ANYONE tell me in specific terms what she did during the Clinton administration that didn't blow up in her face? Bill Clinton is doing his best to hide any documentary evidence of her roles. Why would he do that if she had made any contributions to his administration?

Hillary is certainly intelligent but I don't think she has the interpersonal skills to pull a team, a congress, or a nation together.

In the White House she would be isolated, secretive and hated. Haven't we had enough of that in the last seven years?

Mrs. Clinton would LOSE in 2008 if nominated. The vast right-wing conspiracy is ready to run against her, she's said it herself for quite awhile now, even to the point of almost touting it as a qualification.
I think the last week has shown us alot about the "preparedness" of Mrs. Clinton's campaign.

What on earth are we talking about? Bill and Hill are doers.Isn't that ENOUGH

Reality Check:

If you can not win enough voter support to gain the nomination, then you sure as hell are not the one is best suited to defeat the Republican candidate.

That is the bottom line. That is what the primary campaign is about; trying to find someone who can defeat the competition. I dont' care who will emerge. I will support them in the General Election.

If Hillary is the one. Great; but first prove that you can defeat an opponent by winning in the primaries. This an election campaign, and not a coronation ceremony.

The only thing I've gathered from reading these comments, is that the individuals paying any attention to this race are ignorant, misinformed, poorly-educated misanthropes hell-bent on perpetuating myth after invented myth about all the candidates running in the upcoming election. I wish I could say that I'm shocked by the quantity of misspellings, poor grammar, and mass media regurgitation so clearly evidenced on this blog comment section, but alas (and sadly) I am not. Here we see, as is so clearly shown in black and white, that no one in this country has any idea what the hell they're talking about when it comes to selecting the future leader of the Free World. It should follow that we're forced with a long, lamentable list of such shoddy candidates given the state of sheer idiocy in this country.


Obama was one of the leftmost members of the IL senate.

I know, because I was one of his constituents.

It will be very interesting when some of that stuff starts coming out.

Clinton never said, "roll the dice", Charlie Rose did. Will you retract your inflammatory, intentional misquote, or would that be an affront to your journalistic integrity.lol

If Hillary becomes President, and Bill is going to be as involved then, as he is now in the campaign; then who the hell would want to accept the Vice President position.

With Bill dominating the inside track, the VP would be shut out of any really input.

You're right - a VP for Hillary could count on having zero input, getting all the blame, and inheriting the backlash from what would likely be a failed presidency.

I despise hillary and bill; I have had enough of their lies and slimy politics.
Obama 08!

Can anyone say conflict of interest???

http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2007/12/17/tomo/

"She voted for the war before she was against it. She's like John Kerry, but with different reproductive organs."

I think it pretty much says it all.... Go Barack!

The only Democrat who I think is POTUS material is Joe Biden. The current poll-leading 3 are bad news, for various reasons. Hillary, because of the corruption and old-school politics that people are sick and tired of. Enough with the Clintons AND the Bushes. Plus, Hillary is a very unlikable character. O'Bama, not because he's young, black, or inexperienced - but because his ideas are poor ones. I like the guy, but his policies are dangerous and bad for America. John Edwards, bceause he is a phony wealthy trial lawyer pretending to represent the common man against the corporations and wealthy. I think Edwards is one sick puppy. And his messaghe is divisive and his policies also make no sense.

The problem with the Democrats is they insist on electing the worst amongst them. The primary voters are too extreme, so the party keeps winding up with lousy candidates.

There are only two candidates who I trust: McCain and Fred. Those are the only two who stick by theri principles. Not coincidentally, they are both rather quiet and thoughtful rather than shrill or "charismatic". The position is POTUS folks - not ET host.

I think John McCain should be POTUS (and I do not particularly like the man). It just makes sense to me. He is the best choive for ALL of America. He has enough support on both sides of the aisle, the media likes him (which can be helpful), he appeals to moderates and centrists and independents, he is strong on the war. The key poitn being, he is the best COMPROMISE candidate. Remember that word, Americans? COMPROMISE! It means that neither side gets exactly what they want, but that it's good enough. The left wont' like some things about him, and the right won't like other things. Good! That's how it should be.

SOrry Dems, but if you think President O'Bama could really bring Repubs and Dems together, you are being terribly naive. This is Washington, folks. It would be a total mess. A McCain administration would hit the ground running. He woudl choose people from both sides of the aisle. He would try to be fair. And I think Lieberman would be a perfect VP for him. Two elderly, seasoned, principled, centrist Americans. You should be so lucky!

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