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Bill Clinton ... Well, He Just Puts Everything On The Table. Read It.

14 Dec 2007 11:28 pm

In a hard-changing interview with Charlie Rose tonight, Bill Clinton said Americans who are prepared to choose someone with less experience, are prepared to "roll the dice" about the future of America. "It's less predictable, isn't it? When is the last time we elected a president based on one year of service before he's running?"

"What do you want to do -- whether you think it matters that, I mean, in theory, no experience matters," Clinton said. "In theory, we could find someone who is a gifted television commentators and let them run. They'd have only one year less experience in national politics..."

And Clinton said the notion that experience led the politicians to sanction the Iraq War is "absurd."

"That's like saying that because 100% of the malpractice cases are committed by doctors, the next time I need surgery, I'll get a chef or a plumber to do it."

Towards the end of the interview, Rose indicated that Clinton's staff was asking producers in his show's control room to get them to have Rose end the interview.

And Clinton said: "Somebody will parse this interview..." to take his quotes out of context. "It is stupid... I think we are fortunate in having people..I think the relevant question from me is, who will be the best president who has a proven record of making change in the lives of other people."

They may parse his body language. Toward the end of the interview, his hands began to shake and his face reddened as he discussed the political thicket his wife finds herself in.

Please read this rough transcription of Clinton's take on why his wife isn't doing well in Iowa and New Hampshire.


"Really, really interesting, that I've heard Sen. Obama a dozen times making some fairly derisive comment about Hillary...saying, you know, she had a decades old plan to be president...repeating this total canard that...totally fabricated account from an anti-Hillary book...as if it was something bad that he didn't have a decades-long president...so on their website they put reports that he had been planning to run for president...and they put this thing when he was in kindergarten that he planned to run for president..but the Obama people got the press on their side..."

Rose asked Clinton whether he was nervous about the state of the campaign.

"Well, no. Let me back up. In January, when on New Years Day, she said she was finally going to try and do this... I said I'll make you a prediction...allt he press will say you will coast to the nomination....I think you will have a difficult time getting nominated, and if you are nominated, you'll win the general election handily.....[HRC asked why]...you'll have to run in Iowa, which is the single most difficult state...but Sen. Edwards has a well-earned, huge cadre of support in Iowa because he's worked it for seven years...Sen. Obama is next door, that matters.

Rose: "You think that's the reason for the polls...""

Clinton: "On Edwards, there is no doubt...So, look I've done this before. When I lost in New Hampshire to Paul Tsongas, I lost the first 10 miles next to the Massachusetts border. I carried everything from 10 miles north up to the Canadian border. There are thousands of Illinois students in Iowa colleges...who have never caucused before...[insists he's not lowering expectations.]..he's been to 75 counties, she's been to 50..so my view of this is that I never thought she had a big lead in Iowa...the Iowa people have been really fair to her...they've listened to her and they've given her a chance, and she might win there...and it is astonishing...from the beginning of this race, she had a lead in 36 of 38 states...and not having good luck...what has really happened...what i have been frustrated about has nothing to do with her campaign...the challenges in the polls in the moments will be overcome..I can feel in Iowa, it depends on what people think the answer is...in New Hampshire...the Republicans have been attacking her in all the debates...those attacks affect independent voters...she is not in a position to answer back what the Republicans are doing in the primary...that has not been good..."

"In Iowa, nobody wants to go negative on television, so really it's a war underneath the radar screen and it has more to do with how the press interprets it than anything else...what broke her momentum there was the extraordinary attention given to her not very great answer on the driver's licenses....the press should have a common set of standards..."

"He is great, Edwards is really good..."

"It's a miracle she's got a chance to win."

Richardson, Biden, Dodd are ready to be president, Clinton says.

"Obama has got great skills. It depends on what the American people think is more important....[do they] have somebody who is very his very nature a compelling, very attractive, highly intelligent, visible symbol of transformation, or is it more ...[important] to have someone who would also symbolize change...but who has done a significant number of things to change other people's lives."

Comments (618)

Question: What is Clinton doing now?

Answer: He is telling IA voters that they need to vote for her wife? His wife is experienced and Obama is not. He is saying good things about Edwards, Biden, Richardson, etc. as they are not a threat to her and they want to be 2nd choices for her.

The Clinton Machine is smarter than anyone on the planet.

Also, I am watching Vanderbilt son, Anderson Cooper (two-name fan of the Machine). His guest is Gloria Borger (a perpetual cheerleader of all things that are blowing).

Gloria keeps repeating like a parrot:

Clinton is experienced.

I see this phrase and hear it almost n-times every day.

So, a trillion dollar question:

What, exactly, is Mrs. Clinton's experience? What has she accomplished? How much of this experience can be reviewed in public with all the raw data?

Obama has more years in elected office than Clinton. I'm not sure what she's counting as experience.

Again, here in lies the Trillion Dollar problem.

NO ONE - YES, NO ONE IN THE PRESS - is asking what exactly is your experience, Mrs. Clinton? She has accomplished very, very little. She even failed her bar exam the first time around?

Why?

Is it because she is woman? Is it because she is wife of an adulterer? Is it because people want to stay close to power and so want to be in good graces of the Machine?

If she is the nominee, then I am not voting at all.

Why?

Ok, Bill Clinton is losing it.

And Clinton said the notion that experience led the politicians to sanction the Iraq War is "absurd."

"That's like saying that because 100% of the malpractice cases are committed by doctors, the next time I need surgery, I'll get a chef or a plumber to do it."

I can't believe he said this with a straight face. He's completely misrepresenting Obama's point here. If I know a doctor has 25 years of experience, but she has committed malpractice treating a sympton similar to mine, then I'm not going to THAT DOCTOR; I'd rather have a young, but competent doctor than an experienced one who's committed malpractice. The whole chef thing is just disingenous bullsh*t.

I'm losing more and more respect for the Clintons as each day goes by. If not Obama, I hope Edwards can pull it out. I can't take another 4-16 years (if Clinton gets into office, you can almost guarantee another Republican following her term) of this dysfunctional family and the disfunction it causes in Republicans (not blaming the Clintons, just acknowledging reality).

I don't give 2 coins for what the Clintons did in the past or are doing now. All I care about is getting a democrat as the president after the 2008 elections. I don't care who it is....Biden, Clinton, Dodd, Edwards, Obama or richardson. Anyone of them will do me.
So Bill should better sort his ass out and tell Hillary's campaign to stop making the job of eventual nominee more difficult.
Such bogus interview. If u want to criticise, do so..don't lay down huddles for repugs to use later..doesn't he realize that his statements could be used in an ad against Obama.
Focus on ISSUES. I will always respect Dodd and Biden ..even Kucinich..throw in Gravel for that matter..issues..don't tear us down.
Clinton-Edwards-Obama should all sort their heads out and get it straight..the party first an after that uh political ambitions.
Buncha kids.

Methinks that the "Extremely Angry Democrat" is a Clinton handler/pol/clueless-supporter [who refuses to ackonwledge that she is the least experienced of the democratic candidates]

Don't be so obvious.

Support Obama. [Reject HRC/The Clinton Machine at all times]

"When is the last time we elected a president based on one year of service before he's running?"


WHO IN THE HELL IS BILL CLINTON TALKING ABOUT!??

OBAMA HAS HELD ELECETED OFFICE FOR 11 YEARS!
(4 more than Hillary!)

I AM FED UP WITH THE UNDERHANDED, SUGGESTIVE, MISLEADING BS OF THE CLINTONS!

"When is the last time we elected a president based on one year of service before he's running?"

Hi Bill, Obama had eight years in the state legislature, where he took on some difficult issues like the death penalty and racial profiling and worked to build a consensus that could actually get those bills passed through a republican state senate. He has 3 years in the senate, with some important transparency, clean election, and anti-proliferation legislation, not to mention a number of smaller bipartisan bills.

Clinton had eight years in the white house, during which she had the failed 1993 health care reform and visited a lot of countries and... not much else. As a senator, she has a few small bills on education and health care. She was wrong on Iran and Iraq. Tell me again why the American should trust her "experience" more?

Jesus. This is fairly incoherent rambling from the absolute BEST politician, in every aspect, of the past 20 years. I know I should wait for the final transcript, and watching the tape definitely gives better context. But, DAMN.

Here is the only thing I can note right now:

"It depends on what the American people think is more important....[do they] have somebody who is very his very nature a compelling, very attractive, highly intelligent, visible symbol of transformation..."

Who does that describe? Bill Clinton, 1992.

you obama fans are very surprising. you are a herd, you go to every article and spew garbage. clinton is one of the BEST political strategist out there and he will see things the way they appear to him. just dont herd around every small article.

Well, in the end, Obama has Michelle and Hillary has Bill and given his standing in the world and his understanding of how to rebuild America in the eyes of the world, having Bill as husband is the plus that could make me favor Hillary if Biden gets overlooked. Washington is a mean place and I am not sure Barack has the experience on the national level with the kind of rear, side and frontal attack the Republicans and corporations will have to attack him with, nor has he made the types of powerful connections politically that might help him through. Oprah is a good person to get out the vote of the sit at home watching television crowd, but most working women don't get home to see her on television and don't have the allegiance to her that pundits think. Her crowd is the type that doesn't want to work or doesn't have to work. Around my office, the women folks are saying "Oprah can't tell me who to vote for." even from those who supported Barack Obama prior to her endorsement. We know that Hillary worked hard all her career and actually brought home more money than Bill most of their married life. We know she did one helluva job raising her daughter. We know she has weathered vilification far worse then Barack has ever seen and we know, either one of them will be swift boated beyond belief by the party that has shown it will go to every extreme to win. And we know, whether we like it or not, racism will stick its ugly head up in November 2008 and his crowd will be harrassed at every pollng place left in order to suppress the minority vote. The democrats would be best to nominate Biden! He has the best of both Hillary and Barack put together.

"And Clinton said: "Somebody will parse this interview..." to take his quotes out of context. "It is stupid... I think we are fortunate in having people..I think the relevant question from me is, who will be the best president who has a proven record of making change in the lives of other people."["


Parse this:
This is a great question Bill. But somehow I think Bill Clinton is suggesting here the choice is between Obama and HIMself. Because Hillary may not possibly win this showdown either.

It is time to start discussing these differences between Obama's and Hillary's work.

you obama fans are very surprising. you are a herd, you go to every article and spew garbage. clinton is one of the BEST political strategist out there and he will see things the way they appear to him. just dont herd around every small article.


Posted by chris | December 15, 2007 4:38 AM

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Precisely, they run like a pack of dogs from HuffPo and every other anti Hillary blog, to sing the praises of "Oprah's Messiah", and damn ClINTON THE EXPERIENCE CANDIDATE, they gather like screaming children in the street. Many of these people don't vote, aren't old enough to vote, and know zero about potitics, or what they are voting for, they are in a movement, their movement. They could care less that Obama would lose a National Election by a landslide, they are in their movement. The sadness is, a large part of this movement are Republicans cashing in on an opportunity to destroy the Democrat they realize they cannot defeat.

Then we have the press, the good old reliable press, always up for a good Clinton bashing. The press in this country is one of the worst elements of our society, they are worthless, completely worthless, they are the jackels that swope in to devour the what remains after the lies and half-truths have done their damage.

Obama is this years Ralph Nader.....

Saturn's Child hits the nail on the head regarding the Obama supporters and Hillary haters: "Precisely, they run like a pack of dogs from HuffPo and every other anti Hillary blog, to sing the praises of "Oprah's Messiah", and damn ClINTON THE EXPERIENCE CANDIDATE, they gather like screaming children in the street."

Robert Kennedy, Jr. rightfully points to the similarity between today's ignorant, loud-mouthed, anti-Hillary hate-mongers and the small, but equally noisy group of people who once hated FDR and Eleanor Roosevelt.

Take note: FDR was elected president four times.

An added word about the desperation of the good old boy network that continues to dominate the media: they inflate every non-issue they can find in their chauvinistic attacks on Clinton in an effort to stir up controversy and attrack traffic (usually the above loudmouths) to their unprofessional, unethical, and dishonest news coverage.

As usual, the Clinton-ites are missing the point. Point is, to support HRC, one must be willing to accept the status quo of divide and conquer politics. Well, increasingly Americans are sick and tired of this strategy...and yes, Bill and Hill are champs at it! "Divide and rule, a sound motto. Unite and lead, a better one." ~ Goethe

And sorry folks, but Hillary's short suit is in the 'uniting' category. PERIOD.

Why do so many Democrats like this people again?

One of the reasons an Obama or Edwards win is so crucial is that it would complete the removal of the Clintons from the seat of power in the Democratic Party.

And also because she is just darned unelectable.

(p.s. the reason you don't hear Obama talking about how he has MORE experience in elected office--which he does--than Hillary, is because he knows that no one gives a hoot about that this year other than the stodgy and unimaginative conservative democrats who would support Hill anyway)

Clinton was at best a fair to moderate president, whose overall performance in office and its consequences will be judged more negative than positive.. he is a man of poor personal judgment, one who embraces lying whenever factual truth is inconvenient. His personal behavior set the stage for Bush to get close enough to steal the election, not that there were not other problems with Gore's run and the choice he made and the obstacles he faced- Nader- but without Bill's indifference to reasonable and discrete behavior which triggered his instinct to lie when caught, Bush would not have gotten close and all the other problems with Gore's run would not have prevented him from being inaugurated.

Now Bubba is hawking his wife, and making her appear to feeble to stand on her own, which perhaps she is when things are contested rather than handed to her, and he is acting indecent again towards any competitor who is capturing the attention of voters and offering hope of not more of the same old thing. If people want a crap shoot, then this dysfunction, its about me team of Bubba and Hill, will offer the American people more of the same nasty types of surprises packages they did the first time around. Only compared to the Bushs does this duo look acceptable, but the differences between the Bush and Clinton are not much and closing... Bubba and the politics of fear... please get off the stage and give us a break from your ethnocentrism and BS.

Hi,

Hillary is experienced. In the Senate, she became a leader of bipartisan support on defense issues, and gained the respect of both sides. In the White House, she was always in the background, doing things. Her national health care bill didn't pass, but neither did Richard Nixon's, which was very similar. She has a lot of detractors (Clinton Haters), so that is going to hurt her, and people that just don't like powerful women, or women in charge. She can wither political storms. She is part of the establishment, and will compromise to get things done. Obama is charismatic, young, and optimistic. He learns pretty quickly. Both candidates have a problem with electability, Clinton-a women, clinton haters, war stance, can rally Republicans; Obama-black, name sounds like Osama (this will be exploited heavily). Each has serious drawbacks. Huckabee on the Republican side seems like the strong candidate. He will unite the Republicans, get out the hard core evangelicals who are disappointed in Bush that he didn't deliver in Iraq, or on abortion, prayer in schools, gay marriage ammendment. Republicans can sell the temporary lull in fighting as winning in Iraq. We might be in a nasty fight in Iran also, adding fear into the electorate, further bolstering a strong male conservative candidate. It's going to be a horse race!

bill, bill,bill.... you know i have respect for you, you were an ok president. but not this time. i cant believe after all the mess coming from the clinton camp,some people can't see or refuse to see the truth about the clintons. wiling to do or say anything to gain the white house, not this time.

I'm sorry to say, but it's also rolling the dice to elect someone whose spouse's sex life is a Pandora's box likely to be opened yet again during the next 11 months. Bill and Hillary, please spare us from this.

Clinton's correct in saying that people know what they'll get if Hillary gets the nomination and wins the election. He just doesn't seem to understand that that realization is also why increasing numbers of Dem voters are choosing NOT to go down that road again.

Give it up "Otter" - it wasn't that great.

I'm 40 years old and haven't missed and vote in my life since I was 18. This idea that Obama's supporters somehow have a secret cabal where they run from website to website sounds a bit paranoid to me. Maybe the Obama supporters just outnumber the Hillary supporters on the web and it just looks like a herd. I Like Bill's analogy, but I have another one for him. If my wife is a surgeon and I'm very very involved in her practice does that mean I have the experience to perform surgery too? The experience of the Presidency comes from being the one who has to make those decisions. That experience isn't transferable to anyone; not the VP, First Lady or the most trusted advisors.

Ok, let's say you are choosing a doctor. Option 1 was an one of the smartest, most naturally gifted doctors out there, but had done most of his practicing outside of a big medical center and instead in the community. Option 2 was admitted to medical school only as a legacy and her (skilled) husband has been pulling her strings and guiding her every move and advancement in the progression helping compensate for her lack of natural ability.

Who would you choose?

The Obama people are too nice to make this argument, but with so many people voting for HIllary only because they think they are getting Bill Clinton's third term (44% in the recent NYT poll), it has to be pointed out that the man has a severe heart condition and while we all hope he will be around to pull the strings for Hillary indefinitely, what happens, if God Forbid, he is not. Would people really trust HIllary to run the country if Bill were not there?

And to commenters complaing that we Obama supporters comment in "herds" on blogs, let me tell you that we will be coming in herds to polling places as well. The fact that a mainstream cnadidate is able to elicit such passion in his supporters without polarizing others is the key reason why Obama is so much more electable than any other candidate in this field.

Found this:

Obama awarded "Person of the Year" award

I see more and more posts attacking Obama supporters as "kids", a "herd", etc. Let's talk about the candidates, not name-call their supporters. I'm 59 years old, voted for Bill Clinton and appreciate his service to our country. I've voted in every election since I was old enough to vote and never have donated money or worked for a candidate until now. Barack Obama inspired me at the 2004 Convention and continues to do so now. We must quit fighting the same baby-boomer battles (yes, I'm one and have fought them too) for the good of the country and the world. The real question is who after getting elected can actually lead us to accomplish what we must accomplish for our very survival? That person must include all Americans (Democrats, Republicans and Independants). I don't think someone who constantly vilifies Republicans will ever be able to lead them as President. I beleive most Americans want to get past these divisions and Senator Obama is the one who can do this.

The election of a President is always a roll of the dice, because the office changes each and every person who becomes President. The question is not whether we know in advance what any particular candidate will do; actions of any President will be in context (economy, terrorist activities, middle east troubles, etc.), and are by nature impossible to predict. As voters, we are asked to decide which candidate gives us the greatest sense of confidence that (s)he will be a true leader. As more and more people get to see and understand the true character of Ms. Clinton, they are finding they don't really have confidence in her---she simply does not seem to be Presidential material. She does not generate confidence, trust, or a clear sense of vision. The most profound message we get from the Clinton campaign is that she is a woman who desperately wants to be President---and will say or do whatever it takes. This is not what our nation needs, and voters are smart enough to intuitively steer away from such opportunistic types.

I see more and more posts attacking Obama supporters as "kids", a "herd", etc. Let's talk about the candidates, not name-call their supporters. I'm 59 years old, voted for Bill Clinton and appreciate his service to our country. I've voted in every election since I was old enough to vote and never have donated money or worked for a candidate until now. Barack Obama inspired me at the 2004 Convention and continues to do so now. We must quit fighting the same baby-boomer battles (yes, I'm one and have fought them too) for the good of the country and the world. The real question is who after getting elected can actually lead us to accomplish what we must accomplish for our very survival? That person must include all Americans (Democrats, Republicans and Independants). I don't think someone who constantly vilifies Republicans will ever be able to lead them as President. I beleive most Americans want to get past these divisions and Senator Obama is the one who can do this.


Posted by Phil | December 15, 2007 8:19 AM

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Obama can never win a National election, lets not kid ourselves, he does not have the experience, he is not Colin Powell, and sad but true the country is not yet willing to except a black president. That said, we must look to the candidate that "CAN" win, our country cannot afford another four years of a thug "out of control regime". This next president will probably appoint at least two supreme court justices, are we willing to risk putting these nonimation in the hands of the Republican party, I am not.

These are times unlike any I have seen in my 64 years, we must have a president that represents the people of this country, not the baptist church. We do not need someone quoting bible scriptures from the oval office, we need a thinker, we need experience, we need someone that will work for the least of us. I believe Hillary Clinton is the only candidate that can fill this need, I am not willing to except loss, I will vote for Hillary.

I will vote for the Democratic candidate and work my hardest for her or his election, I am hoping for Hillary, she gives us our best chance.

With due respect to Bill Clinton, I think its absurd for him to him to deride Mr Obama as having only one year in service.

For Clinton, serving in Illinois Senate doesnt amount to public service except Washington.

This is the same kind of old politics that americans decry. state your case and let others state theirs, trying to get to the white house at the destruction of the other is hurtful,,,

thats why Iowans have punished Mrs Clinton campaign very badly.

Latest Research 2000 polls out yesterday puts Obama at 33, Clinton 24 and Edwards 24.

Now Bill wants to play Smart by trying to appeal to Biden and Richardson voters. People have minds of their own, and should Biden or Richardson drop Obama will climb to 40s , QUOTE ME IN 24 days.

I would much rather vote for someone with a previous healthy sexual appetite, than someone with a previous healthy cocaine habit.

First of all, Bill Clinton's arrogance cost Al Gore the presidency. What the hell kind of leader is Bill Clinton?

Obama is a better leader than Bill Clinton let alone Hillary Clinton.

Obama has plenty of experience to be president of this country. Obama would defeat any republican handily.

The Clinton supporters say Obama supporters are a "herd". That's right to some extent. We are following a leader. Clinton can't even keep her campaign co-chairs under control. She can't even lead her own campaign, how is she going to lead this country?

This herd member understands Obama's policy views and Clinton's policy views. Obama is smarter - he has thoughtful, common sense approaches to problems. Clinton doesn't even address many issues that Obama has addressed in detail. Clinton has copied so much from Edwards and Obama there is very little to her except the fact that she started out as the best well known candidate and started with a huge lead in the polls everywhere. She is the least impressive of all the candidates in my view.

Oh, Bill. You're wife has one term as a senator as her experience... First Lady? That's not experience... that's a free pass. And before that? Nothing to write home about. If he thinks his wife is a better candidate, why can't he point to any valid reason for that. Instead he goes to her second weakest area, experience. Her weakest area -- trustworthyness. She ain't got any of that. D.

Dec 14, 2007
Rassmussen Poll Iowa

Clinton 29%
Obama 26%
Edwards 22%


Rasmussen may be the most repected of pollers

Dec 14, 2007
Fox News Poll New Hampshire

Clinton 34%
Obama 25%

Dec 14, 2007
CNN Poll South CArolina

Clinton 42%
Obama 34%


These polls speak for themselves, Hillary is still the candidate of choice.

And another thing.

George Bush has 7 years experience BEING PRESIDENT.

Is he more qualified to be president than Obama? If the answer is yes, then experience means very little to me in deciding who should be president.

I'll take the guy who will do what is right for the country over the more experienced person any day. That's not to say Obama shouldn't ask George Bush, Bill Clinton, or anyone else for their opinion, but I'll trust Obama's judgment and decision making skills over Bush/Clinton any day.

Phil -- I'm a decade older than you, old enough to vote for JFK. This election feels the same -- a fresh voice, a new generation taking charge, sweeping away the tired old men making tired old policy. Hillary (and sadly, Bill) feel tired in that same way. Obama is the fresh voice with a new perspective on what we stand for, and what we need to survive.

I watched most of Bill on Charlie Rose last night. He's a master at laying down a fabric of half-truths and outright lies, weaving them into his narrative with repeats, and making it look SO plausible.

The Clintons have touted polls since she first announced, making it sound like name recognition is an unbeatable lead. Now the early state voters have taken the measure of candidates up close and personal, and she's dying by the polls.

"One year" in national office is one year more than Bill Clinton ever had before he ran for president. He passed up running in 1988 for the obvious reason that the White House had a southern Democratic incumbent. C'mon, Bill. You used to make it less obvious.

At this point, it's anybody-but-Clinton for me, and I'm a woman. Obama, then Edwards, then Richardson (who has the most experience of them all), then Biden. Bring 'em on!

Mark will have to get used to the idea that Democrats generally pay rather more attention to the views of Bill Clinton than they do to those of Mark Ambinder. This is one of those chattering classes pieces that is going to have no impact in IA (what is the Atlantic's circulation in the state) and is only going to feed the appetite of Mark's audience of assorted anti Clintonistas. If you want the flavor read a few of these postings. The reason why I remain convinced Clinton will ultimately get the nomination is this very issue of experience and leadership. All those anti Clinton folks in love with the shaky polls from IA should take a look at some of the fundamentals of these national polls where they ask all sorts of more detailed questions about how you rate the candidates on policy issues like managing the economy and Iraq, or attributes like electability or experience. Obama's numbers in these areas are not just weak they are positively anaemic. They are mainly in the teens and low twenties. She by contrast scores in the sixties and seventies. This is not just a gap it's a chasm and ultimately it is going to tell once voters get in the booth. Despite the media pile ons of the past few weeks fuelled either by the desire for a horserace or just plain malignance it isn't going to change the outcome.

Why can't Bill Clinton shut up? He yaps and yaps and yaps.

What the yapping Bill Clinton can't wrap his brain around is the fact that the American people are weary of the Bush/Clinton dynasty.

Bush: Clinton: Clinton: Bush: and Bush. The American people do not -- I repeat, DO NOT, want to elect another Clinton as president. These two families treat the presidncy as if it's the family business.

It's not.

The Bush and Clintons have tied up the presidency since 1988 and it must stop.

Americans want change. American are desperate for a new voice and a fresh face and that person is Barack Obama.

In the meantime, please President Clinton: STFU!

Kind of like when we "rolled the dice" and voted for YOU, Bill, who had no foreign policy experience and who'd only been governor of a small southern state? I am disliking the Hillary campaign more and more. If she gets the nod, I think, for the first time in my life, I will not vote. Bill was a pretty good president, and I worked on his campaigns, but there was a lot about their personal lives [apart from his loose zipper] that I did not like about the two of them. And they keep reminding me of those things on her campaign trail. Zip it, Bill, and this time I mean your mouth.

As a loyal Democrat, I am seeing the dark side of Bill everyone talked about all those years and it is not pretty.

Hillary is all of Bill's calculation and triangulation and none of his political talent. She is the embodiment of his superego. Man, these people just need to go away.

No matter how bad Bush has been, their era is long since over. We cannot travel back in time, people!

Obama is only a rerun of Jesse Jackson and /or Al Sharpton with a little more OOOMPRAH in his campaign. Who wants to spend four years with a whitehouse situated in Jenna? If that is what you want then Obama is your best choice.

Anything Clintonis such a big draw because he was the most liked, most effective, and best POTUS we've had for many years.

But I see some of the surprise and hope and new way of looking at things that Bill Clinton brought to the office that I see in Obama..

I am voting for Obama in the primary, and I will support whatever Democrat wins the primary. I don't want the democrats handing the republicans slime to use against whichever democrat wins...

I like to think the republicans have learned a hard lesson, but I don't dare take it for granted that they are ready to be the loyal opposition rather than General Sherman. Any republican, and that includes Rush Limbaugh, and the RIC web page, and the Freedom's Watch slimy page that says democrats are cut and run, that disparages democrats needs to leave the country.

Maybe Mr. Bill had better do what Bill Shaheen did in NH (i.e. sit down and shut up). It's no wonder he never once got a majority of the popular vote. Folks, we've got serious "Clinton Fatigue".

Fact check! Hillary has less experience in elective office than any other Democratic candidate save John Edwards. 6+ years period. First Ladies normally do not set or promote policy. Mr. Bill gave her one job, and that bombed (health care), giving us "Harry & Louise". Now she's touting another mandated health plan a la Mitt Romney's Massachusetts one that a couple of hundred thousand have opted out of. "Harry & Louise II"? Count on it!

Hillary says she has no surprises. Hopefully, for one once in her life, she is telling the absolute truth. We don't need any more, we've seen enough. Whitewater, Madison Guarantee, Rose Law Firm billing for hours she didn't work, Vince Foster, the MacDougals, Webster Hubble, Monica, Gennifer, Paula. Let me end this now as we all know the rest of the sordid details.

If we want to tout exposure to the "Beltway Madness" as a qualification to be President then let's run Cheney and Rumsfeld. They've been D.C. power brokers since Richard Nixon's first term! Forget that kind of experience. Fast forward to 2001 onward. Hillary gave Bush a blank check on Iraq and Iran (where's the nuculear weapons program Hillary?), she gives us Norman Hsu, the Chinese dishwashers and her Mississippi fund raiser by good friend, and Trent Lott's brother-in-law, Dickie Scruggs, gets cancelled because Scruggs gets hit with a supoena asking why he tried to bribe a judge. Add Bill Shaheen and the "fun part" begins. My question is "How low is too low?" Give us Obama, Biden, Edwards et al. or even Mc Cain, but those who forget the past are destined to repeat it. How dumb do both Clintons think we are?

Working in the state legislature (especialy Illinois) does not provide you experience to be President. It does provide you opportunity to be part of the IL/Chicago machine. It teaches you how to deal with politics as usual. It does not give you internatinal and national experience. Clearly Obama supporters do not comprehend the levity of natinal politics and international politics. Obama will be eaten alive, will be a punching bag for republicans and in turn willnot be able to bring America back into a role of world leader.

I ask my democratic friends and I ask readers: In four years to you want a republican President and Congress? If no then please do not vote for Obama.

Think future, think big picture. OPRAH? I think the Oprah smirk said it all.

Trust me: You do not want the Illinois machine to make it to DC.

SO many of you folks are angry with Senator Clinton,for heavens sake ,GIVE it UP!!!!
IN my very humble opinion she is the only one of all the Democratic candidates who can actually beat back all of those Rovian tactics that will surely
be thrown at any of our choices.
She is the only one I see as being not ony the most capable,but also our last best hope of returning our
country to it's Democratic principles.
I AM AN FDR DEMOCRAT!!!!
HILLARY IN 08

UNBELIEVABLE! Just unbelievable. If this kind of politics that Bill Clinton displayed is what America is going to go through again for another 4 years, then I'm ready to commit suicide to show my protest.

Isn't it bad enough that by endorsing dynasticism, America would be in no position to advice dictatorship regimes?

Can't Bill Clinton see that, regardless of Ms. Clinton's qualification or Democrats' fondness of the Clintons, Republicans AND the America people in general have a solid case against her?

Barach Obama would make a wonderful high school backetball coach, with his lofty rhetoric that propelled him into the forefront at the last Demorcratic Convention.

He is, however, no John Kennedy, and the Republicans are licking their chops for the kill should he get the nomination.

His color, his inexperience,his demeanor and admitted drug use will make him unelectable.

Hillary Clinton never took drugs in high school, but was busy preparing for a career in public service, and now she is seeking the prize she
so richly deserves..the first woman President in our history.

What has she done in her life? You that ridicule her have only to go to her website and read her accomplishments. Her resume is breathtaking!

Real wordly experience as first lady, and the
the ability to face the terrible problems left by the current administration are what she possesses.

We do not need a person with rock star mentality
in charge.

We have terrible challenges to meet with the horrible economy, the Iraq war, Iran with the atomic bomb, etc., etc. and the thought that a Republican could win because of Obama's inexperience and non-electibility is a nightmare!

Hillary is tough, experienced, and well known and admired all over the world, and she has the ability to bring people together.

Grandma

The Clinton supporting posters are a mean bunch, aren't they?

Yes, Bill's analogy was a really bad one. Obama is not a plumber who wants to do the job of a doctor. He is an experienced politician who wants the job of president of the US, just like Hillary. There are legitimate things to criticize about Obama's positions (he should take heed of Krugman's criticisms for example), but this lack of experience jab is nonsense, especially coming from Hillary.

Also, he should just admit that bringing up what Obama wrote in kindergarden was just plain silly. Yeah, the press and everyone else was on Obama's side on that one. Deservedly so. Hey, ain't it great that he could dream that he might be president one day? I'd like to think Hillary had the same dream when she was a child. Maybe because of her campaign young girls will have that dream now.

The experimentation with drug use issue is also a nonstarter. (The guy above who falsely called it a "habit" is a prime example of the mean bunch I referred to.) Except for a small number of pious fools out there, no one cares. I'm convinced that Obama will handle any and all questions about that issue in a forthright manner.

I'll take any of the Democrats over any of the sad sacks that the other side has to offer. If I were a Republican, I'd be embarrassed. Please, Democrats, don't embarrass yourselves with pettiness.

The U.S. presidential election is about 12 months away. Many important things could happen between now and then, but as citizens responsible for choosing our leader we need to start solidifying our opinions of the current contenders.

Following is a forthright summary of one of the current major candidates to lead our country.

Hillary Clinton is the frontrunner, and she will likely win the democratic nomination, if she can avoid self destructing in the meantime.

Her notoriety derives from her marriage to Bill Clinton, the two-term U.S. president, Arkansas governor, and arrogant, immoral, lying criminal and sexual predator. Irrefutable facts justify all elements of this description.

He lied to all of us during a televised White House press conference in January 1998, saying “Now, I have to go back to work on my State of the Union speech. And I worked on it until pretty late last night. But I want to say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to work for the American people.”

In my opinion, these few sentences uttered by our commander-in-chief say a lot about him personally and even more about the Clinton style of politics, of which Hillary is part and parcel. The beginning and ending of his statement are clearly intended to emphasize how important he is and garner sympathy from his audience, and the middle part is an outright lie presented with feigned righteousness. He was later charged with perjury and obstruction of justice and impeached by the House of Representatives.

In addition to this and many more examples of Clinton debauchery, I personally know a woman who had sex with Bill in a closet at a Little Rock TV station in the early 1980s while he was governor of Arkansas and married to Hillary. His philandering nature was well-known in the capital city, and it is quite improbable that Hillary did not know about it also.

I think Hillary is technically smart enough to be a leader of people. She is an educated lawyer. All of my doubts about her qualifications to lead my country stem from her lack of applicable experience, raw ambition to obtain and exercise power, which is greed , and deceitful politics. In my opinion, these characteristics are enough to disqualify her as a viable leader of the free world, even if she proposed to have some great solutions to the world’s problems, which she does not have, or at least has not articulated. Does the world need another incompetent, greedy liar in a position of power?

While I believe serving as First Lady for eight years is great experience that few living people can claim, it does not qualify one to be a senator or president. I think a prerequisite for a senator is a strong legislative track record in the service of constituents and a viable presidential candidate needs to have demonstrated good executive-level judgment and leadership that voters can count on as heady issues are addressed. Hillary has none of this.

Without Bill, Hillary would be completely unknown on the world stage. She leveraged this relationship in a calculating manner to become a NY senator, even though she never lived there before. This was clearly intended to be a stepping stone in her path to run for the presidency. Can anyone doubt that she is driven by sheer ambition to obtain power?

She accused her husband’s political enemies of a “vast right-wing conspiracy” following the Lewinsky scandal. She later said that she had been misled by her husband’s claims that no affair had taken place. Let’s face facts here. Hillary’s persona is not a simple “stand by your man” woman as her arguments imply. Bill had been committing adultery regularly for at least 15 years prior, and if Hillary was not aware of it, then how can she expect us to believe that she can grasp the essence of the more complicated matters that face the nation and world? Her whole position on the affair can only demonstrate incredible ignorance or calculated deceit, neither of which is acceptable of a leader.

It is clearly unreasonable for us to expect anyone to be morally flawless. However, in my opinion, Hillary Clinton misses this mark by such a wide margin that she should be disqualified from even being considered as the leader of our country.

There are numerous incidents in Hillary’s past that bolster this ForthRightView. One has only to do a simple internet search to find them. What more do we need to know?

Looking through the comments, and you see the rub with Ms. Clinton. Repeating over and over that she is experienced, it just doesn't make it so. The Clinton's and their cheerleaders in the press, continue to shower us with the message that Ms. Clinton has the "knowledge to get to work on day one." The question that nobody for her campaign can answer Hillar y included is 1) What has she ever done? and 2) What will she do?

Ms. Clinton is a medicore Senator with 7 years in the Senate, hardly a place where you get any excutive experience. Her voting record is a demonstration in conflict. She votes for the war, against the way, for, against. She has never taken a principled stand, always choosing the popular one instead.

Hillary Clinton expected a coronation when she started her run for the Presidency. The people though are starting to understand that one of the least of her skill sets is her experience.

Perhaps Carolyn Washburn of the Des Moines Register can endorse Hillary today? That
would be a huge shock from the large Caboose,
all feminist Editorial Board of the Register.
Washburn did her part in the Republican debate
Wednesday. Gannett was wise to send Washburn out
to the Hinterlands of Iowa a year ago to prepare
the landscape for the Socialists. Sadly for her,
Iowans are not as stupid as the East Coast media and the Clintons had expected. Even putting former Iowa Governor Vilsack (Nutsack) on the payroll isnt helping mega caboose Hillary in the polls.

Lots of angry Democrats out there? Exactly what are you angry about? Is it that we freed Iraq from an insane despot sitting on the second largest oil reserves in the world? Oil reserves that could be used to finance his evil plans. How about having Libya give up its WMD program without a shot being fired? What about Iran apparently giving up its nuclear weapons programs shortly after we invade Iraq? Coincidence? How about no domestic terror attacks since 9/11? Do you idiots think this is just good luck?

How about the fact that most people rate their own economic situation as better than 7 years ago? That is the fact of the polls. Just because the liberal media makes people think OTHER people aren't doing well, doesn't make it the truth. If most people consider their own situation better, isn't that a better test?

Admit it, you angry Democrats, you just hate Bush for preventing Gore's attempt to steal the 2000 election. Only one candidate ever won the majority of the Florida votes, and that was Bush. Gore's strategy was to selectively recount until he won, and the Supreme Court was justified in stopping it. When the newspaper consortium did their own recount later, Bush still won. Don't hear that repeated much in the liberal media, do you?

You angry Democrats are so blinded by hatred, you make fools of yourselves. Remember how you viewed the Clinton haters of the 1990's. Remember the way you thought they were a bunch of idiots. Well, that is exactly what you look like now. Enjoy it.

Typical Clinton! It always the medias fault, they haven't been fair or their is a conspiracy against them. Catch where he said that if she can get the nomination she will win the general election "handily." He is trying to get Dems to vote for her with the idea that the GOP can't win if she is the nominee. Astounding!

These people are shameless and morally bankrupt. Unfortunately so is Edwards and Obama is intellectually inept. Dems should vote Biden or Richardson instead of one of the three stooges.

We need Hillary in the white house, because that will put Bill back in the white house. Given time, a new bimbo erruption will occur.

Our late night comedians need the material.

Save comedy - put Bill back in the white house.

I am an independent and have watched all of the debates. I cannot understand why the Democratic party has not brought Joe Biden forward. He has ALL of the qualities that the three front runners are claiming for theirselves. It seems that the party just doesn't care about people who have been in the trenches their whole life fighting for their country and party. He is presidential and has more knowledge and experience in his little finger than any of the front runners.

What "Rovian" tactics? I think that if Democrats ever stop inventing, then whining about Republican dirty tricks, the world will tip over. It's almost funny. Being lectured by Democrats about corruption is like being scolded for anti-semitism by Hitler.

Hillary and Obama are both nitwits. Both use nothing but long discredtied, warmed-over sixties hippy rhetoric. The entire demcat party hasn't had a new idea since the sixties...and those ideas were all bad. The Democrats never met a leftist dictator they couldn't cozy up to. They never met a minority population they couldn't lock into economic oblivion with handouts. They never met a grievance they couldn't turn into a class envy pity party. The never met an enhancement to social or economic mobility they couldn't stymie. They never met an America-hating kook they couldn't embrace.

Every president we have ever elected to a first term has had zero experience at being president.

Drinking water won't make you a good plumber.
Eating food won't make you a good chef.

I have two observations RE: Hllary Clinton.
#1) I don't think being married to Bill Gates makes Melinda Gates qualified to run Microsoft. I don't think my mechanic's wife is necessary qualified to work on my car. And, I don't think being married to Bill is any qualification for Hill. He tried to hand her some responsibility early on (health care) and she proved to be overreaching and politically tone deaf. Even Clinton supporters are distressed by how quikly, easily, and naturally they lie.

#2)If you were a corporate recruiter and you had to fill the job of CEO of the largest organization on planet earth would you even accept her resume'? NO! There is nothing in her past that in any way qualifies her for the job, or gives me any hope that she would be competent in it if elected.

Soon after the 1992 election I remember reading an interview with Hillary in Newsweek in which she was quoted as saying (paraphrasing), "None of what you say really matters if you don't get elected." I knew then that we were in trouble. That is as much as admitting publicly that they would say or do ANYTHING in order to get elected. That whatever promises they made in the campaign were not to be trusted. Just once, I think the American people should try to elect someone who is fundamentally honest.

He is lowering expectations so her loss in Iowa will not kill her chances. If she comes close he will call it a victory....

Dear Barack:
I know what happens when the Clintons are threatened. Better stay away from parks.

Hillary got where she is thanks to her Bill's coat tails.

Obama got to where he is today *ON HIS OWN*!

I'm a Republican so I won't vote for either one of them but if I were a Dem, I'd choose Obama over Hillary based on that alone.

People who'd vote for Hillary want Bill in there just as much as her.

At least Obama can stand on his own two feet.

I would NEVER vote for OBAMA..i am not thrilled with Hillary but i KNOW she is more QUALIFIED to be president..I dont need OPRAH to go out talking about how how Obama needs to be elected..Maybe if she focused more attention at her school in africa i wouldnt be hearing about arrests AND police investigations there. BOTTOM LINE: Didnt we learn ANYTHING from inexperience with BUSH? I will listen to Bill Clintons endorsement over Oprahs ANYDAY...

They talk it up when they are running but, once they are elected they find the Presidents job all not that great. No one is experiaced for that position neither was Bill and certainly not Hillary.

Maybe we need someone like Obama in this position young and not tied to Washington like the Clintons.

I think we should say having the CLINTONS in office is playing Russian Roulette. Lets see here. He had numerous affairs, bombed two countries during the Lewinski hearing (same day) .. Two more countries on the same day as his impeachment trial... One other country was bombed the day of Columbine.. He murdered people in WACO,TX.. His advisor stole documents from the national archive the day before the 9-11 hearings. He sold nuclear missile tech to China. Hillary won't release her minutes from Clinton library. Her best friend is dead. I could go on all day long but unfortunately must go eat now cheers

DAN---yeah...THATS what i want in a president..Someone young and underqualified..Why not just lower the age requirements and let eighteen year olds run?..SHEESH..

Polls are important, but what's most important is the trend line of polling. Polls tell you where the electorate is if the election were held today. The trend tells you the likely tally at some point in time, ie election day. Just as an economic forcast, when your numbers are trending downward, you've got problems. Every campaign polls privately and see the same thing. At the rate the Clinton campaign is trending downward, she's in trouble; there is no one who knows politics that says for sure that Hillary Clinton is inevitable. Just like a business that is currently profitable but losing sales to a rival, she needs a turn around to win.

As far as Obama not being electable; can anyone envision the voter who would not vote for Obama because he is black but would have voted for Hillary if she were the nominee? I'm sure there's a handful, but I wouldn't count them in the thousands. What would be the thought process of such a person be. "I hate blacks but that Hillary Clinton is just ducky." Now, think of the voter that wouldn't vote for Hillary but would Obama. Much larger pool of voters.
This canard that Hillary is more electable than Obama is pure bull. If anything, its the otherway around.

Maybe, just maybe, the rest of the Democratic voting block see what the Clinton's apparently do not. HILLARY CAN NOT WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION! Old Billy is just as polarizing to the country as "W" and both Democratic (and Republican) voters are sick and tired of such candidates. Besides, the Clinton's already had eight years themselves in the White House to create this "utopian" society they're promising to the American people if Hillary is elected, but all we got in return from those eight years was a handful of poop and Dubya.

Come on, are you guys seriously suggesting that Hillary Clinton's role in her husbands campaigns, governorship, and presidency don't matter as experience. That is completely ridiculous, it's like saying that a Chief of Staff doesn't have any experience and shouldn't run.

As for Obama, has anyone with less experience ever been a leading contender for president?

Someone in the media said that Bill Clinton was "our first black president". He did not disagree.

I dismissed this as political pandering until I witnessed him in Iowa PIMPING FOR HILLARY! The only thing missing is the over-sized hat and the Cadillac!

CONCERNED--I will take a cheating over DRUGS ANYDAY..sounds like we have a RUSH fan posting..

Clinton voted for the Iraq War without reading the National Intelligecne Estimate. She went onto the Senate floor and stated Saddam had harbored Al Qaeda Terrorist (false claim) She voted for the Iran Resolution that could have paved the way for Bush to go to war with Iran.
Bill Clinton is a serial adulterer and alleged rapist. He lied to the American people about Monica Lewisnsky affair. they both are polarizing figures and can't be trusted. Their word is meaningless. They are power hungry people that care more about attaining power than doing what is right for our Country.

The Democratic nominees with the most national & international experience with proven competence are trailing Hillary & Obama big time. Feminists are excited about Hillary and blacks are excited about Obama. That's fine, but now lets get serious and nominate a candidate that can win the Presidential election, because neither of those two can.

If Obama wins will Oprah be in his cabinet?..Gosh knows she SHE is more qualified than he probably is..Personally i think she has a THING for him..watch out MICHELLE, maybe you should be thinking about THAT..

Hillary represents change?!! That is a good one Bill.
Clinton is the least electable of the democrats. She has the highest negatives (50% of americans say the would not vote for her), she would galvinzied the evagenlicals, and she cannot win independent voters. The Republicans want Hillary to win as much as we would wnat Hucabee to win.
I remind you JFK had little experience before he became President. The main thing a President has to do is surround himself with good peoplet hat offer good advice. Clinton definitely did not do that when she managed to voter for the Iraq War and Iran Resolution.

Joe Biden is a man who can reach across the aisle and bring the country together. The man knows both foreign and domestic policy. If Democrats want real experience, Biden is the man. Justifiably or not, HRC and BO will create antimosity from 50% of the country. With a man like Biden in the White House, we an forget the name calling and start getting things done.

JOSE LOPEZ..do all mexicans feel this way?

RON-sounds like you are just another Clinton apologist. When Bill was in office, even the lib God, Jimmy Carter said, "we must distance our party from Bill Clinton." Since then the media has made him into some kind of God, and you good little dhimmicrats just ate it out of their hands and forgot about those 8 years. Hey the libs live in a dream world, who are the rest of us to demand they wake up?

We can argue all day about whether Hillary has real experience nor not, but the bottom line is that all the experience in the world is useless if you lack judgment and political courage.

As for judgement, she displayed awful judgement in the two big tests of her career: health care and Iraq. And if you want to look for recent examples of her poor judgement, just look at how she has run her campaign over the past 2 months: flip-flopping, planting questions, engaging in personal attacks that are backfiring, playing the gender card, playing the swift boat card, failing to keep Bill clinton on message, seriously damaging her standing with black voters by insinuting Obama was ever a drig dealer, etc, etc. Every day HIllary's campaign gives us prime example that for all her so-called experience, she can't even run a competant campaign against very mild pressure from democratic challengers compared to what she will face from the re