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Gary Bauer Questions Huckabee On Immigration

03 Dec 2007 07:21 pm

His letter, to his Working Family list, after the jump.

To: Friends and Supporters

From: Gary Bauer
Campaign for Working Families

Date: Monday, December 3, 2007

You Be The Judge!

As Mike Huckabee continues to improve in the polls, his positions on the issues are coming under greater scrutiny. Over the last week, a heated debate has broken out between Huckabee and many of the other candidates over the immigration issue, and particularly the question of providing benefits to the children of illegal immigrants.

On Friday, many of the leading groups fighting illegal immigration blasted Huckabee for his position on the issue. While Governor Huckabee now says he is against amnesty and for secure borders, he continues to raise eyebrows with his defense of scholarships and other taxpayer-funded benefits for illegal aliens.

Since the illegal immigration debate will continue to be a big part of the 2008 campaign, and no doubt a key item on the legislative agenda in 2009, as it has been in Congress for the past few years, I want to get your take on the controversy.

The Facts

When he was governor of Arkansas, Huckabee supported legislation allowing illegal immigrants who had attended Arkansas high schools to participate in a scholarship program to attend college. Huckabee lost that debate, and the bill failed. He also strongly opposed an effort by state Senator Jim Holt, also an ordained Southern Baptist minister, to end taxpayer subsidies
for illegal immigrants in Arkansas and to require proof of citizenship in order to register to vote. Huckabee denounced Holt's legislation as "race baiting" and "demagoguery."


\Huckabee's Argument

Governor Huckabee strongly defends the positions he took as governor on aid
to illegals. He argues that denying illegal immigrant students scholarship
money would be punishing children for what their parents have done. He
says, "my soul will not let me" do that. On ABC News this weekend, when
he
was asked whether or not he would support federal scholarships for
illegal
immigrant students, Huckabee said, "I'm not sure..."

Senate Democrats recently proposed the "DREAM Act," which would have
allowed illegal aliens to receive taxpayer subsidized in-state college
tuition rates that out-of-state American citizens cannot get. The
"DREAM
Act," like other recent immigration "reform" efforts, failed to pass due
to
overwhelming public outrage.

One year ago, Huckabee compared America's response to illegal
immigration
to slavery by remarking, "One of the great challenges facing us is that
we
do not commit the same mistakes with our growing Hispanic population
that
we did with African Americans 150 years ago... I think, frankly, the
Lord is
giving us a second chance to do better than we did before."

The Critics' Response

Critics of Huckabee's positions point out that many illegal immigrants
are
entering the U.S. because they want to get benefits for their children.

Increasing those benefits, such as college scholarships, would serve as
a
magnet for illegal immigrants. Since scholarship money is always
limited,
every scholarship that is given to an illegal immigrant student is a
scholarship that is taken away from an American citizen.

In addition, they point out that while it is a Christian responsibility
to
help the poor, it is not Christian to take someone else's money through
the
power of Big Government to redistribute it to the disadvantaged.
Huckabee's critics also say that comparing slavery to illegal
immigration
is a complete distortion. Finally, they reject Huckabee's argument that

children shouldn't be punished for their parents' actions. Children do
get
hurt when their parents are punished, including when a parent is
imprisoned
for criminal behavior.

My Take

I think the critics are closer to the truth in this debate. I believe
any
Republican presidential nominee who has a soft record on illegal
immigration will have a hard time distinguishing themselves from Hillary

Clinton, who, as you know, is tripping over herself to avoid appearing
to
be soft on illegal immigration. What do you think?

Please address the issue I have presented. I have accurately described
the
two sides of the debate, so I am not sympathetic to the idea that simply

posing the question is somehow anti-Huckabee.

Rather this is part of an ongoing debate we need to have in order to
understand what the conservative position on immigration "reform" is and
to
ensure that we have a clear conservative nominee in 2008. This issue
cuts
across party lines and many Americans - Republicans, Democrats,
Independents - were outraged by the repeated efforts of politicians in
both
parties to push comprehensive immigration reform.

Comments (44)

August 25, 2007

Dear Governor Huckabee:

[Introduction/pleasantries omitted]

I hope here to bring to your attention an opportunity for you to turn a possible liability for your candidacy into an asset: the problem of illegal immigration. To get straight to the point…There persists among reputable conservative blogs and other circles the perception that you are an “open borders guy” due to your reported advocacy of scholarships and provision of social services for the children of illegal aliens in Arkansas. One example: both Michael Medved’s opinion column on your candidacy and his similar radio piece last week received overwhelming negative reaction due, in large part, to this issue. I don’t mention this to get you down, but to reveal to you an opportunity for you to further distinguish yourself from the other candidates by helping to unite, rather than divide, Americans on a solution to this problem.

As I understand your approach to illegal immigration, it is to enforce strict border control while acknowledging the basic humanity of the illegal aliens already here, or at least of their innocent children. It seems that your approach could be summarized by Micah 6:8 - “to do justice and to love kindness.” Ignorance of this precept is severely polarizing our country; illegal immigration is merely the occasion. It is much easier to prefer – take your pick – either justice OR kindness than it is to strive to do justice AND to love kindness. Politically, conservatives tend to pursue unkind justice while liberals tend to champion unjust kindness. Depending on who is in charge and a likely hidden motive, the government may lavish kindness on one group at the expense of justice for another. Specifically, law-abiding Americans are growing indignant at the reports of illegal alien criminals of the worst sort given a pass to run our streets and wreak murder and mayhem on innocent citizens.

Justice demands a penalty for lawbreaking…for culprits on both sides of the equation. For over twenty years, business and political opportunists have been unofficially welcoming illegal aliens – usually escaping poverty – into an American underground. To then round up 12 million-plus souls Elian Gonzalez-style and toss them back over the Rio Grande would create a humanitarian crisis and civil turmoil in this country the likes of which we haven’t seen since perhaps 1863. Adding injustice to this unkindness would be the failure of the Federal Government to own up to the fact that it has been the chief enabler of this lawlessness by looking the other way – looking the other way for kickbacks called Money and Votes. What the government should have been doing is fulfilling its commission from On High to bring wrath on those who do wrong and to praise those who do what is good.

So here, Governor Huckabee, I offer to you the following three concise tiers upon which to build a solution to the problem of illegal immigration.
1. LAW & ORDER – Absolute control of our borders and ports of entry, including a complete and robust border fence. Absolute enforcement of employment eligibility.
2. JUSTICE – The illegal alien must pay a meaningful and substantial penalty, or leave the country. No bringing in family members outside of the normal immigration process. Employers hiring illegal labor will be prosecuted. Incarcerated illegal alien felons are immediately remanded to the authorities of their native countries.
3. KINDNESS – To the illegal alien: “You were wrong to sneak into our country, and we were wrong to abet you. Tell you what: to make it right, we’ll meet you halfway. Justice must be satisfied, but we won’t orphan or starve your children to get there. If you will make amends, we will grant you limited legal work authorization. During that time you may get in the back of the line and apply for citizenship if you so desire. Otherwise you will go home when your authorization expires.”

Obviously a full-blown policy is not detailed here, and the few details mentioned are not new. It’s building on the right foundation that is most important. Rather than short-circuiting the discussion to the part about “making beds and plucking chickens,” what we first have to establish is a clear perspective that appeals to some of the noblest American instincts. I believe that by this three-tiered foundation, you can help to persuade many a worried conservative that Kindness does not mean “open borders,” and you can help to persuade the immigrant groups that all law-abiding people have no need to fear Justice.

While you’re at it, it would be a great service to the national dialogue on illegal immigration if you could help us to clean up our language. Some by deception, while others by laziness, equate “illegal alien” with “immigrant” with “Mexican,” sowing confusion and tossing fuel on the passions that surround this problem.

Governor Huckabee, if you will articulate an immigration policy in which Law and Order are followed by Justice and Kindness, I think you will distinguish yourself with a winsome message that will serve to unite the country around a solution.

Sincerely,

Brian Snow
[Sacramento, CA]

I'm a Democrat. The hysteria raised in the country when a bipartisan effort to achieve needed immigration reform legislation was being proposed was frightening and depressing in that it derailed important pending legislation. I am thankful that Mike Huckabee has raised at least the sense of that bipartisan effort in his own proposals. It will force Republican candidates to confront the voice of conscience as well as sidle up to the beast of bigotry. His voice may resonate with enough Evangelical voters (who do have consciences) that his stand will be a net gain for him. It may also have the effect of weakening his opponents' standing with Independents who will matter next Fall.

Mr. Bauer,

I'm very disappointed in your indirect attack on an Christian leader. To say you have accurately described two sides of the debate, is a far reaching statement.

You say in the letter it is not Christian to take someone else's money through the power of Big Government to redistribute it to the disadvantage. If you site this example, please equally site the example how the Government is taking our money to fund abortions to execute children. That is a far more serious issue.

Personally I do not care if the Government takes my money to help unfortunate illegal immigrants children get a scholorship to college if they met the criteria. It shows we care about all people not just the wealthy. This is for a good cause and I'm all for it, but I'm absolutely not for my money being used to abort babies that have no way to speak or fight for themselves.

If we use the argument that it's not our money to spend, then let's use that same logic for government funded abortions too. Let's not just be selective where we apply that statement.

When I hear selective statements like that I realize there is a motive behind that.

I very disappointed in your one sided attack of Mike Huckabee. This man is a very humble man who deeply cares about everyone. Pat Robertson let us down and now you. I hope James Dobson doesnt fall in that greedy money trap too, but instead endorses a canidate who cares deeply for all humans.

Mike Huckabee will become an outstanding President, mark my word. Watch out George Washington and Abraham Lincoln you have another shining light on top of the hill that will guide America as the founding fathers once did!

Sorry Mr. Bauer you didnt convince me in the slightest. I'm 100% behind Mike Huckabee. In fact, after reading this I'm now 120% behind Mike Huckabee. Mike keeps getting stronger when people attack him. I really like Mike, he doesnt attack others, instead he lifts people up. Mike is a great role model for society!

GO MIKE GO!!!

Hi Gary,
Mike Huckabee firmly states that as president he will secure the border. In the meantime Governors (like former Gov. Huckabee) continue to deal with the amnesty mess (that your former boss President Reagan signed) as best they can. Bush's administration has inexplicably failed to securely control our border. These children are here and it's easy to dehumanize them with the descriptions you are using ie. "illegal alien" makes them sound like they are from another planet. Anyway once President Huckabee gets the border under control we won't have to worry with these untidy huddled masses that seem to have so upset and inconvenienced Christian Leaders like yourself. My "take" Mr. Bauer, if you want a solution to the problem of our porous borders, is to get behind Mike Huckabee as soon as possible or tell us who you personally endorse as an alternative. Go Mike, we need a populist, people's president, not a pundits president.
Mike's a conservative, he's just not angry about it.

Thank you Marc for posting Gary Bauer's letter here. I have great respect for Gary and his letter certainly comes across as straight forward and without bias. Mr. Bauer indeed has America's best interests in his heart.

This is a difficult situation that every American needs to think through by themselves and for themselves. Only then, with personal conviction, can one assume to "pick" a candidate based upon one's own belief - absent the media hype and the politician's hysteria.

I have worked through this issue for myself and amazingly, my position changed. Mike Huckabee is EXACTLY right when he says "we are a better country than punishing the child for the mistakes/lawlessness of the parents".

Mr. Snow, your letter is articulate and concise. I cannot state my position any better.

I believe Gov. Huckabee when he says he will secure the border FIRST. I trust him to see that Law and Order will prevail and that it will be done through Justice and Kindness.

Mike Huckabee has shown himself to be a man I can be proud to stand beside. He is a gentleman and brings civility and humility back into this country where rudeness and dishonesty have run rampart. He is the bridge to bring order to both sides of the aisle in Washington, and do it with a bit of humor.

Mr. Bauer, if you're reading this, I again ask you to consider giving Gov. Huckabee your endorsement. Together, we can change America.

Holy cow stop the amnesty candidate! This would be beyond amnesty. This is obliterating the lines that define America. Huckabee is not well.

I f I read this right, it's OK to borrow money from my childern (in the form of government debt) to provide services to illegal immigrants? Does that sound Christian to you? If charity is forced upon you, it's not charity- see Islam. Those who support Huckabee and his "conscience", do it on your dime, not by mortgaging my kids' future. The GOP will lose if it nominates Huckabee.

What you failed to mention regarding the Huckabee Scholarship Issue in Arkansas was that this scholarship was not to be given to kids "just because" they were kids of illegal immigrants. These kids had already gone through the school system. These kids had excelled academically. The kids had to be drug & alcohol free and most importantly the kids had to be SEEKING citizenship. It wasn't their fault that they ended up in America..but they're here and they would be allowed to seek citizenship. The above points never get mentioned when people bring up the scholarship issue.

Gov. Huckabee makes the point that the problem has to be dealt with at our BORDERS and at the EMPLOYERS that employ the illegals.

My question...and this is for anyone that knows...are the children of illegals required to go to school? For instance, if a state has illegals (and almost all of them do) would a parent be charged with truancy for not sending their kid to school?

Tony is a real knucklehead. Why don't you show your compassion by using tax payers money for the children of India or Africa? Why stop with just Mexico? Why don't we allow our money to educate the world's children? If we left it up to Tony, he would STEAL the money that belongs to American taxpayers and give it to those that in other countries because he "cares about the poor, not just the wealthy". Tony thinks it is OK to STEAL from people because he "cares about all humans". Give me a break Tony. Go vote for Hillary if that is your position.

P.S. You are simple minded - 100% means everything. You can't be 120% behind something. Pray for yourself.

Do these "family value" jerks know anything but how to hate immigrants? Where are there Christtian values?

Early on I spent a good deal of time researching what Huckabee had to say on the issue on his website and what his position amounts to is that as long as an illegal immigrant is caught at the border, he or she will get deported but once they get through to the interior, absent committing crimes, he will reward them with benefits and amnesty that will have conditions that Huckabee will try use to define it as something else. Might as well vote for a Democrat. There's not a dime's worth of difference, which is why Huckabee is so popular with the mainstream media who share his immigration agenda.

The reality is that we will never be able to control illegal immigration with enforcement just at the border. If anyone was foolish enough to think that if the first place, they should have had that notion dispelled with the Clintonian "Operation Gatekeeper." You can raise the costs of getting into the country as we have but as long as the rewards for being in the country illegally persist, people will choose to pay those costs, which for some will undoubtedly include losing their lives. Border-only enforcement simply a game played to convince voters that you care about illegal immigration while ensuring it continuation. Only comprehensive enforcement (which is nothing resembling the current use of the word "comprehensive"), where there is a consistent message that being in the country without legal authorization is unacceptable, will work. While workplace enforcement is the sine qua non of any enforcement regime, there's no reason why it shouldn't be extended to every interaction with the government that is practical.

Mike Huckabee was not the evangelical rights first choice. Fred Thompson was. Mike Huckabee is nother more than a product of bigotry against Mormonism. For being a minister who wraps himself in his religion he has quite the checkered past! From his wedding registry lie to meeting Mexican President Vincente Fox to bring in illegals to work at Tyson Chicken in Arkansas. Huckabee has a chance not because he is a great candidate or even because he is conservative which he is not, but because evangelical voters don't care the details only the religion. Romney is a much better candidate based on his private sector CEO experience to help fix Washington spending. Huckabee tells a better joke.

For years I have supported the GOP and backed each candidate put before us on the ballot. Been kinda routine for me. Over the last 8 years there have been many ups and downs and I've weathered through it. After many casualties in the GOP party as of the last few years, it has caused me to rethink all the things I guard as important to the USA. Why is it that many of the leaders whom we have looked up to have disappointed us? It's just that, we have put them on a pedestal of greatness that even the best of the best would fall. You see, we must trust in the only one who can save us from ourselves, Jesus Christ. Do we still believe and have faith? Do we believe that God can raise up a leader who can lead by example without the retoric? Do we believe that God can raise up a leader who can unite this country like never before? Do we believe that God can cause a candidate to get elected based on message instead of money? If we as a Christian people do not get back to what is really important, Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your might, with all your soul, and love your neighbor as yourself; we will not have a united voice ever.

Gary, you have been a leader of the Christian base for a long time now. I remember hearing you on the radio 10 years ago or so. I used to look up to you (my fault) for answers on the issues that face us even today. But I want to so disagree with you about Huckabee. Not only disagree but with tears running down my face it so saddens me that you have turned into a pundit. Who for Gary? Who are you speaking for, the unborn, the child of an illegal immigrant, the down and out, the Christian people of this great land.....NO....who are you speaking for Gary? I WANT TO KNOW!!! We deserve the truth! And btw if you care to know the truth you can discover the real truth at mikehuckabee.com if you will care to read it.

I am so sick, makes me want to puke.

But you know what? The more you spew that talk, the better Mike Huckabee does. Who can stand against us if God is for us.

Regards,
Michael


Oh brother, I think MD needs some therapy.

And here we see what I am afraid of --- look at MD -- people are not separating their own religious beliefs/drama from an election of someone who will serve as commander in chief.

Separation of church from state. It's part of the Constitution for a reason. Religous tolerance is on reason. And, another is that if we do not do separate the two, the day will come when a religion we REALLY don't believe in will be leading us. We will have paved the way to have religion be the commanding force, regardless if it fits into your own belief system.Not good.

Best to get religion in the churches, and good men with morals and ethics in the White House.

Huckabee followers are such disgusting hypocrites because they are afraid that Romney's Mormon religion will be a factor, when Huckabee is running as a Southern Baptist preacher. Get real, you know he is. Pander, pander.

MD. Wow. And you wonder why America is sick of the Evangelical voting block...

Huckabee, like Hunter, Romney, Tancredo, Paul, Giuliani, etc. is a man running for the presidency. God has not told you that he's been foreordained to win--quit claiming his rise in the polls is divine providence. That's what makes me (and most of America) want to vomit. Your obsession with the former preacher has blinded you. The way evangelicals only support evangelicals is contrary to everything the founders stood for. Many of our founders were not Christian. Many others were. None were Baptist. None were "Evangelicals" at all in the modern sense of the term. I think they did a pretty good job.

By the way, I'm a Christian and a Republican. MD (and those w/his views) are the reason the Christian Coalition will lose its political power. Irrational faith in men simply because they share your religion... America is tired of you.

Thisarticle by Gary Bauer is just an expample of how our Christian leaders are being deceived. Mike Huckabee wanted children of illegals immigrants who passed very strict standards to be able to have a chance to apply for scholarships to better their future. Mike Huckabee was trying to make tax payers out of these children as applying for citizenship was a condition to the scholarship. I am a republican and I think it was a smart idea preposed by Huckabee. Tax payers not tax takers was his goal. The bill did not pass and even if it did this would not mean that Huckabee is soft of immigration...
Mr. Bauer you really should not slander people unless you have the full scope of the truth...

Watch how many Christian leaders will be deceived on Wednesday when Mitt Romney gives his speech on religion..JUst a predicition..

Folks on here need to wise up about Huckabee. I noticed one dope up there was attacking Reagan while promoting Huckabee. Real smart...

For those thinking of supporting Huckster, you need to see his record first. You can find it all here...

http://www.huckabeefacts.org

For those who want to know who they are electing, this is good to know:

"Huckabee and Giuliani Support Tuition Breaks For Illegal Immigrants"
Mon, 12/03/2007

http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/48738158_mitt-romney-huckabee-and-giuliani-support-tuition-breaks-illegal-immigrants

Jenny:

You're also wrong on when Mitt Romney is speaking, it's on Thursday.

Mike Huckabee is the only true conservative running in the race, of course people like Erik Peoples would like for us to vote for slick Mitt but that’s not going to happen, sorry my vote is not for sale. I have looked at Gov Huckabee’s record closely, I have listened intently to the governor at each debate. One thing that continually stands out to me, is that Mike is the most honest of all of the candidates both on the left and right, and when the man talks about issues he can be trusted. Mike Huckabee is a true authentic and consistent conservative that cares about all Americans, not just some special segment of our population. You have got this African Americans vote GO HUCKABEE


Thank you Gary Bauer for your intuitive thoughts and for opening up this subject to rational debate. Our humanity demands our attention of it.

Brain Snow, well said!

As to the candidates, only Mike Huckabee is putting himself out there clearly. He is not hiding on this subject by throwing mud. What is not being made clear is the platform difference between being a Governor of a State, or a Mayor of a City and that of the President of this Nation. Whose responsibility is it to contain the flow of immigrants into the country and whose responsibility is it to maintain the well-being of the people within a state or City.

Mike's compassion for the children of illegal immigrants speaks well to the character this Nation needs as our role model from the Whitehouse. His platform of limited government, being a federalist, following the Constitution as written will seal the borders and put a stop to the immigrant invasion. To the rest, I commend the first comment here, by Brian Snow.

Gary Bauer is a great Christian! More a pagan! His compassion for children dies the moment they are born, perhaps becuase the fetuses dont have skin color! Support Huckabee and defeat the so-called Christians who only care about children before they are born!

Debra, you talk about the separation of church and state as if you are afraid that somehow a type of religion will be forced upon you. Didn't our constitution guard against our government forcing you to adhere to a particular religion? So now how in the world does a president (whomever that is) force you to believe in his or any type of religion? Just because he believes in some things and is a Christian, how is that forcing your hand? I don't get it. Of course you probably believe the CIA is out to get you too.

Yes I am a Christian and I'm not ashamed of it. But that doesn't cause me to think that everyone must believe the same as I do. We live in a free country where we are able to have our own beliefs. No one will thake that right away from you.

So all the hype about separation of church and state is the straw man people want to use when they don't agree with Christians in public office. It is a mute point. I don't see the government pushing any type of religion on me.

Anyway.....I am not the best person to debate these issues, I just know what I know.

GO HUCKABEE GO......WH '09

All arguements can be reduced to the question of authority. I do not have the right to give power to someone to do something that I dont have power to do myself. In other words I havent got the authority to take someone elses car, money, tuition etc. (fill in the blank.) Therefore I cant give Mr. huckabee or any other Big goverment liberal authority to steal for me or anyone else regardless of "compassionate motives". I honor the previous comments that refference true charity as voluntary not hypocritical dictatorship. One last point for conservatives. If we are compassionate, responsible and realistic where would you steal this money from?.. social security, medicare, veterans benifits, education, cancer research, the list is endless but the money is not. Mr. Huckabee donate your congregations funds if you want, and ask if I would donate personally, but dont dare steal from me or my children through taxation.

Here's a transcript of what he said regarding illegal immigration on ABC's This Week:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDmHQZA7mTM

STEPHANOPOULOS: Governor Mitt Romney campaign dropped a mailer in the Iowa mailboxes this week on the subject of illegal immigration. I want to show our viewers. This mailer says our nation faces a growing immigration crisis and then it goes to your record. It say on Amnesty, you support it; on sheltering illegal immigrants, you support it; public benefits for illegal immigrants, Huckabee committed to state supported college scholarships. Your response?

HUCKABEE: He knows it's not true. I don't support amnesty. I don't support special benefits. I support a secure border. I don't support sanctuary cities. I don't support amnesty. What I do support George is humane treatment of human beings. I support enforcing the law. I enforce.. er support a federal government that is competent enough to actually secure the border and get this thing right. They failed. When I'm president, I won't fail. I will get it done. But I'll tell you what I do believe, that you don't punish a child because a parent committed a crime or committed a sin. You just don't do that."

STEPHANOPOULOS: And that's why you pushed a bill…"

HUCKABEE: "And as I said the other night in the debate…"

STEPHANOPOULOS: "Excuse me, let me just stop your right there because…"

HUCKABEE: "Yea."

STEPHANOPOULOS: "…That’s why you pushed a bill that did, would allow the children of illegal immigrants, if they went through an Arkansas high school to get in-state tuition."

HUCKABEE: "Actually it was to qualify for an academic challenge scholarship which was a meritorious scholarship based on their grade point average, they're being drug and alcohol free and they're also being in the process of applying for citizenship…"


STEPHANOPOULOS: "You know, but Governor, let me stop you right there because a lot of people have looked at this. And I even got the bill right in front of me and I know that what you're talking about may have been in your original legislation but you continued to push for a bill after the scholarship provisions were dropped that would simply provide in-state tuition benefits to illegal immigrants. I've read through it."

HUCKABEE: "Right."

STEPHANOPOULOS: "It makes no mention of staying off of drugs and alcohol."

HUCKABEE: "Well, that was a part of the academic challenge scholarship, George, that was a criteria just like the core curriculum. And that was not in the legislation. It was in the requirements for the academic challenge scholarship."

STEPHANOPOULOS: "Yet, I mean, this was simply you would say aside from the scholarships, that if an illegal immigrant, the child of an illegal immigrant went through high school in Arkansas, they get the same in-state benefits as other Arkansas residents do, yet if a student was coming in from Colorado, they would pay higher tuition."

HUCKABEE: "Well, the difference is if a student comes in from Colorado he hasn't been educated in our high school, hasn't had our courses but if you've had a child that's been there since he's 5, 6 years old or even since hes13 and he's had his entire high school experience sitting alongside Arkansas students, the point is, is he better off going to college and becoming a taxpayer as opposed to not going to college and potentially becoming a tax taker? Look, the fact that the federal government failed in allowing him to get here illegally is not the problem of the state, it's the problem of a federal government that pushed it down on the states." Every Governor, including the one who is making these charges against me had to, by law, provide k through 12 education. The point is do we punish ourselves as we also punish those children by limiting their educational opportunities and keeping them from being able to be far more apart of our culture, society, learn our language, become citizens and legitimize their being here."

STEPHANOPOULOS: "How far would you extend the principle? As president would you allow the children of illegal immigrants to be eligible for pell grants, subsidized student loans?"

HUCKABEE: "You know, it would depend. I'm not sure if I understand when you say subsidized student loans." [CROSSTALK].

STEPHANOPOULOS: "Federal student loans which, yes, absolutely."

HUCKABEE: "I'm not sure that I would support that, but that…"

STEPHANOPOULOS: "Why not?"

HUCKABEE: "There's a different program in Arkansas."

STEPHANOPOULOS: "How is it different? If you don't think the students should be punished then why shouldn't they get the federal aid as well as the state aid?"

HUCKABEE: "Well, it's a difference between being punished and being rewarded. What I do think we got to do is to have a sane, rational immigration policy, which we don't, but the point in Arkansas was, we had kids who had been in our schools by law and to simply shut them out of any additional educational advancement to me seemed not only in their worst interests but ours, as well as a state." (ABC's "This Week," 12/2/07)

STEPHANOPOULOS: Your opponents have also criticized you for opposing legislation that would have required proof of citizenship before registering to vote. You called it race baiting and demagoguery. Why is it demagoguery to require proof of citizenship to vote.

HUCKABEE: Well that might be a little over simplification of the bill. What we were talking about was in motor-voter in 2001, there would be in essence making the frontline dmv worker, the entry level state worker, responsible for being an immigration agent and for checking the documentation. I think the most important thing to do is that's done at the federal level, so if you're going to check for authentic identification, you do it with people who aren't at the entry level of a state office. In 2005, I signed a bill that didn't allow illegals to get drivers licenses so I didn't support the idea of illegals driving or voting. But you have to look at the contents of that 2001 bill and why I opposed it.

How disingenuous can Huckabee be? He lied to the American public at the Youtube debates when he said:

"Let me tell you what I did do. I supported the bill that would have allowed those children who had been in our schools their entire school life, the opportunity to have the same scholarship that their peers had, who had also gone to high school with them and sat in the same classrooms."

The truth is, the bill was stripped of the scholarship provision and granted ONLY In-State tuition breaks for Illegals. He goes on to explain to Stephanopolous above that it was preferential for students from his state, that an American student from Colorado (or any state) was not in the Arkansas school system and didn't merit the same treatment.

So we have a Presidential candidate that is perfectly fine giving away taxpayers money to illegal immigrants and lying publicly about it to soften the reaction. Please point out the scripture in the Bible that says be compassionate and charitable to humans by stealing people's money and giving it to those that are more deserving. Didn't Russia try that experiment in past decades? Actually, at least Russia kept it to their own citizens and not open it up to the world like Huckabee espouses.

Huckabee claims he's a closed-border guy and then dangles a Texas-sized carrot out to attract illegals to his state to compete for limited scholarships. Brilliant. His rise in the polls will be one of the shortest-lived in American politics when his record is held up to scrutiny.

Mr. Huckabee,
Do not try to use being a Christian to justify wrong doing.
When a people are invited (as are legal immigrants) they are guests and we are expected to look after them in our homes.
The Egyptians invited the Hebrews to their land and later oppressed them.
When some one trespasses to our homes, we are to forgive them as Jesus did, then they are to "GO AND SIN NO MORE".
Have you not read of King David and Sampson? They led by the hand of God fought their invaders.
We have saw a bending of Gods words to benefit or justify what is morally wrong, calling it good does not change the fact it is evil.
I would have you read the very last page of the Bible, where it says the penalties for adding or taking away from the Book.
I am a descendant of Jacob and Emmanuel VanMetern, Jacob with Miles Cloverdale translated and printed the first English Bible, Emmanuel published that Bible.
If you feel so strongly about your minister duties why are you seeking office?
A man called by God would be busy doing Gods work.Do you or do you not believe all of Gods words.
It is a whole book , to take passages without researching and referencing, tends to mislead.

Criminals did NOT build America; Citizens and LEGAL immigrants built it. Illegal Aliens and Immigration is NOT the same thing. 80% of the American people want an end to anarchy! This is NOT a Democrat, Republican, Independent issue. It's an American Issue.

Illegal aliens are criminals, those who hire them are criminals and those who aid-and-abet them are criminals.

Illegal aliens in America have NO rights. We are required by law to arrest and prosecute, deport them. (Title 8 U.S. Code) To report illegal aliens call the DHS National Hotline 1 866 DHS 2ICE. (1-866-347-2523)

No, matter your political party affiliation, and setting aside your thoughts on issues. We all need to remember what it is to be an American Citizen. We need to make sure our elected representatives obey their Oath of Office and keep their Oath of Allegiance. See http://tinyurl.com/2znnvl Know whom you are voting for.

Thanks for reporting on both sides. I think Huckabee is dead wrong on giving illegals any kind of advantage over Americans, even it involves children. It the the fault of the parents and their poor decisions that make the child suffer. Comparing illegals to slavery is just plain crazy. I am waiting for the candidate who will put Americans and our needs first, vows to strictly enforce our immigration laws and deport anyone caught here illegally. Their is a process for citizenship and we need to make sure immigrants do this in the proper manner. We need to stop pandering to the "demands" of people who have no status and do not belong in this country. AMERICA AND AMERICIANS FIRST!!

I remember when Huck cleverly said that "Jesus was too smart to be a politician".......you know what!? Jesus Christ is too smart to endorse a politician as well.

So please, just stick to the issues and leave personal religious convictions out of a political argument--it clouds rational debate. Most people think they have answers from God (not just Evangelicals), so let's just respect other people's beliefs and realize the God works miracles through whoever he choses.......Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson (non-Christians) come to mind.

I had considered giving Huckabee my vote, but I am hugely disappointed in his approach to illegal immigration. As for illegal immigrant children of illegal immigrant parents, I also feel sorry for them but I do not believe that this nation should feel any sense of responsibility for financing their higher education. Their parents brought them into to this country illegally and their parents and their home country should be responsible for providing them with a college education. Their home countries are not sending aide to the U.S. to cover the cost of educating their citizens, are they? As for our treatment of illegal immigrants being compared to the period of slavery, how could Huckabee make such a leap? Slaves were brutally brought to the U.S. against their will. The vast majority of illegal immigrants came here by choice. Slaves were not free to return home. Illegal immigrants are free to return home anytime.

In checking the position statements of Mike Huckabee, he makes it clear that he adamently opposes illegal immigration and calls the need to secure our borders a "national emergency".

He clearly defines that there is to be "no amnesty", "no sanctuaries", "no drivers licenses", and "no tolerance for employers who hire illegals".

Has Mr. Huckabee varied from that staunch anti-illegal immigration policy by supporting educational benefits for the children of illegals? I think not.

It is apparent that the country is not going to revisit Operation Wetback and deport the 12 to 20 million illegals who are already here (because we need them to take the place of the missing 50 million aborted American taxpayers!).

So there must be reasoned approaches to assimilating them and fostering their education and thereby their productivity and contribution to the well being of our country.

In-state tuition benefits for long term residential children of aliens who desire to seek citizenship and progress academically is a thoughtful recommendation that may succeed in achieving such goals.

With regard to Mr. Huckabee's explanation of opposing the entry level DMV worker/federal-style immigration agent legislation, I am satisfied that this was not a state level immigration issue. Furthermore, his opposition to driver licenses for illegals in 2005 addresses this problem directly and clarifies his policy.

What more can be said? I am fully supporting of Mike Huckabee's candidacy and I'm looking forward to his Presidency. We need a man of such integrity and straightforwardness leading us.


Mrs. Vallery is correct. Mike's platform plank on the illegals with the sealing of the border does call for the returning of all illegals back to the country of origin. He has stated this clearly. What a few of us, including the first comment by Brian Snow speak to is the humanity of recognizing that this failure of the federal government has been happening well before President Reagan, who tried to stop the influx, but we the people failed, by allowing our federal government to not prosecute employers who hired illegals.

What Brian and some have supported here is not to allow the continuance of the illegal siege. We clearly want it stopped. We also are not in favor of allowing illegals to be allowed to stay if they have not the ability to be self sufficient.

What we are stating and requesting of Mike Huckabee to consider, is there are many immigrants that have been allowed to stay here in this country and have become good citizens, self supporting, holding well educated jobs, some having been tax paying residences for 30 years, with children and grand children born and raised here.

What on earth would be the purpose of up-rooting these families? Where would you put them? Shall we create an exodus, putting up tent cities in Mexico for the 30 40 million people? You think this reality?

Note, this is not Mike Huckabee speaking here. It is someone who supports this fine executive who did well managing a State that was left in a mess after the socialist Bill Clinton had the reigns. I wish for Mike and you to stop your understandable anger for a moment and look at the reality of the moment.

The reason that the Founding Fathers choose an Republic verses a democratic government is because of the danger of mass hysteria, like that which we are witnessing in this commentary. Let reason flow. Sure, I am too upset that my neighbors and my own family is suffering the loss of jobs , god jobs, like construction jobs going to illegals because they will work for close to slave wage. But is it the fault of the immigrant? NO? Is it the fault of the employer for wanting to make money? NO, though one could hold ethics up as an issue as well as knowingly violating the law. Who is it that is at fault? APATHY!!!

We the people of this Nation stood by and let our Federal Government ignore Law, in more then just this immigration issue. But in this issue, we let the government fail us and thus we are responsible for the invasion of foreigners. Now, most are part of our Nation, self sustaining and contributors to our greatness. Yes, we need to clean out the convicts, the lazy socialist free loaders, but the majority are now U.S. Americans by default. Lighten up!

Mike Huckabee is not stating this, a few of his supporters are. But if you are stuck on this single issue for this election, I suggest you look at the rest of the issues positioned by Mike in his website at www.mikehuckabee.com

Also look at what the www.Americansolutons.com has found out as fact of platform support by Republicans and Democrats alike. They did a near $500,00. polling and found for example: When applying for a temporary worker visa each worker should take an oath to obey American law and be deported if they commit a crime while in the United States. (93% agreed to 8% not)

All that being said, until Mike Huckabee is elected and the border is sealed, it is a mute issue. Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah!

The open borders love-you-so-much-with-somebody-else's-money crowd likes to tout guys like Huckabee as being the man of the hour. However, the majority of American citizens--who have given more than their fair share to illegal immigrants who we have watched draining our social service programs and driving crime rates through the roof--will NEVER elect another Republican President who is soft on immigration. We won't support politicians trying to buy votes from minorities and who want to create new (non-citizen) voters.

Sorry, Ronald Reagan (for the same noble reasons Huckabee espouses), Bill Clinton, and George Bush (God bless him) gave us that bitter pill to choke on and believe me, we won't make that same mistake again. Conservative and moderate voters are flat out sick and tired of politicians who will sell our country out for votes, for cheap labor, for more growth of their precious big government, etc. Mortgaging our children's future prosperity to give it away to people who are siphoning money out of the country as fast as they possibly can will no longer be tolerated. The cat is out of the bag. You can't put it back in.

Bottom line is we already have candidates who are soft on border security and illegal immigration. They are called Democrats. The electorate must have an alternative, or they will simply stay home on election day and Hillary will ascend to the White House. If the GOP doesn't want pro-border-security conservatives on election day, they should just keep denying the will of the people. If Huckabee is nominated, the GOP is guaranteed failure. You might complain about sour grapes citizens, but if pro-border-security voters have no representation on election day, what do you expect?

Call us racists. Call us bigots. Call us haters. Call us isolationists. Call us anti-Mexican. Call us anti-immigrant. Feel free to lie to yourselves. The truth is it's about the rule of law, the sovereignty of our nation, protection of our way of life from crime, welfare fraud, and terrorism, and it's about unfair taxation and the will of the American people over the will of sold-out and corrupt politicians. And that's all it's about.

Mr Bauer,

Stop masquerading as something you are not: a leader in the christian community! You are more interested in the powers that be than you are in doing whats right. The fact of the matter is Governor Huckabee never equated slavery with immigration. He equated the defense of slavery with the defense of race baiting and demagoguery.

Mr Bauer, do the christian community in America a favor and go sell insurance! Perhaps you could get Pat Robertson to join you.

With a huge deficit, a war that's maiming and killing large amounts of young Iraqis and Americans and a huge credit crisis effecting the US; is immigration really the #1 issue facing voters?
The future of the US$ is now owned by the Chinese and Japanese - do you not care about this; you care about immigration?
You currently spend $billions on a war on drugs that, if we're being truthful, is not being won. I'd argue that if it's not possible to stop drugs crossing borders there's a good chance you can't stop people.
If you care more about immigration than anything else, may I make a suggestion, start asking your politicians how much their war on immigration is going to cost and how effective it will be. You might find the answers a little shocking...

No human being is illegal.

Eric asks, "How disingenuous can Huckabee be?"

Like most open-borders advocates, Huckabee has no choice but to be disingenuous. None would ever say that they support illegal immigration. That would be political suicide. But if you follow through on the logic of what they say and do, that's what it comes down to. Huckabee says he is against amnesty while supporting just that. Notice Huckabee's particular linguistic dodge when he accused of giving government benefits to illegal immigrants; he responds by saying that he gives no "special" benefits, creating a distinction that wasn't at issue to obscure the real issue. He says we need "a sane, rational immigration policy." That amounts to begging the question. As opposed to what, those who advocate for an insane, irrational policy?

Bryan wrote: " The fact of the matter is Governor Huckabee never equated slavery with immigration. He equated the defense of slavery with the defense of race baiting and demagoguery."

Here's the quote:

"One of our greatest challenges is making sure we don't commit the same mistakes with our growing Hispanic population that we did with African-Americans 150 years ago and beyond,"Huckabee responded. "We're still paying the price with the way this country, particularly the South, handled that issue. I think we've got a second chance. I feel the Lord, frankly, has given us a second chance to do better than we did before. I hope we will do that."

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/175071/

If you think the country of today is in any way comparable to how it was at that time in terms of discrimination, I don't think you ought to be even considered to lead it, although Huckabee apparently thinks his progress toward that end is due to the hand of god.

In any City, Community, Town, Village ar hamlet throughout these United States (ICE) is finally raiding the factories, offices, work-places and corporate HQ of pariah bunesses hiring cheap illegal foregn national workers.

(ICE) Immigration & Customs Enforcement can only do so much. They have limited resources and limited man-power. The "SAVE ACT" can eleviate much of the frustration and anger of the American citizen. Use of penalties from predator employers of heavy fines and confiscation of business profits, would pay exceedingly well for internal enforcement?

Stop all this festering issue of illegal immigration. Unless U.S. citizens strive to end this conflict amongst the ruling parties, the immigration debate isn't going away. None of the political parties are without blame, nor the American people? This invasion has not just started, it's been gaining momentum of three decades. Its an argument full of venom and pro illegal immigrant-organisations, only have to use the race card to send both politicans and activists cowering in a dark corner. However, times are changing and the globalist, open-border, free-marketeers are not winning any more. Mitt Romney, Obama, Huckabee, Guiliani, Edwards, Hillary Clinton, Richardson, McCain and others are now scrambling to appease the majority of the American citizen population who are fed up with paying the tab for pariah employers.The annual cost to taxpayers is about $22 + billion a year according to Center for Immigration Studies and the tax burden will grow -- because 15 million more immigrants are set to arrive by year 2017 according to their latest research.

More than 10 million immigrants have arrived since year 2000; it is estimated that nearly 6 million are illegal. All told, the group of immigrants now account for 38 million at the moment according to the White House's own census bureau. Fight back today and demand your Washington (Public Servant) co-authors "THE SAVE ACT".

I went through the amnesty debate back in 1986. That was when we were promised this would be a one time deal.

Huckabee knows this and is flagrantly usurping our law in the name of Christianity. He has no more moral authority on this matter than I do but he uses his "minister" status to be holier than thou and use children as social blackmail in this issue (he ought to endorse Hillary or Obama). This is disgusting. What many fail to mention is his ties to poultry packing industris in Arkansas that favor illegal immigration.

By the way, just as a curiousity, how many illegals would his own "Dream (nightmare) Act" involve? Does this also include potential for chain migration, and if so, what are the numbers? If Huckabee really is a good honest Christian he should address these basic issues in a forthright manner. Betcha he won't answer those questions as he would not want the American citizenry to know the answer.

"Personally I do not care if the Government takes my money to help unfortunate illegal immigrants children get a scholorship to college if they met the criteria. It shows we care about all people not just the wealthy. This is for a good cause and I'm all for it."

Well then give to a charity organiztion and keep your dirty fingers off of my money and that of others.

What right do you or Mike Huckabee think you have to steal money to make yourself feel charitable? Oh yeah, you're generous alright: with other people's money.

And I while you note this confiscation of tax dollars by the government is for a good cause, wouldn't giving that money to hard-working, law-abiding Americans who have also been saving for their children's educations be a fine charitable act?

Why do you and Mike Huckabee like the idea of diverting money from them and distributing it to those who have no right to be in this country in the first place?

I swear, some people just don't think...

Sue Melin: "No human being is illegal."

This is a fatuous argument. Illegal is the adjective applied to immigrants who are here contravention to the laws concerning immigration, hence illegal is an accurate descriptor. Nobody is claiming their illegality is connected to their humanness.

Commonsense: "What many fail to mention is his ties to poultry packing industris in Arkansas that favor illegal immigration."

From: http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/06/30/News/323746.html
" Huckabee was the keynote speaker, along with Tyson Foods Inc. Chairman and CEO John Tyson, at a noon luncheon of the League of United Latin American Citizens, which is holding its 76th annual convention in Little Rock."

""This is an issue that is going to require extraordinary efforts on both sides of the border, particularly those coming from Mexico," Huckabee said of verifying the status of illegal aliens. "But I am confident that our government will recognize that we should accommodate people who wish to provide the best opportunities for their families (and) employers so that we can make sure our economy has the necessary work force.""

It's perfectly clear that Huckabee came down firmly on the side of those violating the law.

Immigrant Violence In France Gives Glimpse Into America's Future
By Dave Gibson on Dec 7, 07

Once again massive riots have taken place in a Paris suburb which is populated with North African and Arab immigrants. Over the past week, over 100 police officers have been injured as the thugs hurled rocks and Molotov cocktails and fired shotguns at them. The violence is a direct result of the large influx of Third World immigrants who have no intention of assimilating.

The accidental death of two black teenagers last week touched off the riots. The Moroccan and Senegalese immigrants ran their motorcycle into a police car and were killed instantly. Neither of them were wearing a helmet. In 2005, it was also the death of two teenaged African immigrants who were electrocuted as they attempted to hide from police in an electrical substation, which touched off the riots.


The recent violence in Villiers-Le-Bel, France was reminiscent of the 2005 riots when North African and Arab immigrants rampaged for three weeks in 274 French cities and towns. During that period,126 police officers and firefighters were injured, 9,000 vehicles were burned as well as many buildings, and the property damage reached $400 million.


The following are amongst the most despicable acts of the 2005 French riots:
-a nursery school was set ablaze in Carpentras
-rioters attacked a daycare center in Cambrai
-a Roman Catholic Church was destroyed by firebombs in Romans-sur-Isere
-a junior high school In Grenoble was torched


France’s North African and Arab population disproportionately dominate the welfare rolls. Easy access to government aid is what seems to have attracted many immigrants to France in the first place. Because they can rely on government payments indefinitely, these groups have little motivation to find jobs and have an extremely high unemployment rate. These groups also have the highest number of births of any ethnic group in France and account for that country’s current birth rate, which is the highest in Europe.


France’s African and Arab population live almost exclusively unto themselves and rarely integrate. They largely live in housing projects supported by France’s incredibly over-taxed citizens and have no interest in assimilation. More troubling is France’s growing Muslim population which is estimated to be between 5-6 million, Islam is currently second to Catholicism in the number of followers amongst French worshipers.


Author, war correspondent, politician, and grandson of the British prime minister with the same name Winston Churchill III described the Muslim danger facing France in a speech given in Australia last year. An excerpt of that speech follows:


“The scale of the problem confronting Europe today is epitomized by France, which has a Muslim community of some 6 million, or 10 percent of its population. But, taking the population aged 20 and below, that figure rockets to 30 percent, such is the birth rate among the immigrant communities.”


“In other words, within one further generation, France will have become an Islamic country--a truly awesome prospect.”


Just as France is being overrun with African and Arab immigrants who refuse to assimilate and even generations later, still identify themselves with their ancestral country rather than where they live most or all of their lives… The United States is facing the same situation due to the massive illegal immigration and high birth rate amongst Latinos.


In 2006, the U.S. Census Bureau announced that the population of the United States reached 300 million. Latino illegal immigration and births to those illegal aliens have fueled the population explosion. In 2005, Latinos accounted for half of the U.S. population growth for that year. Less than one-fifth of that year’s increase could be attributed to white Americans.


The U.S. Census Bureau provided the following frightening statistics: The total U.S. population more than doubled >from 131.7 million in 1940 to 290.8 million in 2003, the Latino population increased nearly 30 times in that same period. In 1940, the Latino population within the U.S. was 1.4 million, by 2003 it had swelled to 40 million. Between 2000-2003, the Latino population within the U.S. grew at a rate of 13 percent, while the U.S. non-Latino population grew at a rate of only 0.8 percent during that same period.


Last year, the racist Latino group known as La Raza proudly reported on their website that 85 percent of the world’s Latino population under 18 were born inside the U.S. According to the Census Bureau, 80 percent of our Latino population is age 44 or younger, which means that the vast majority of Latinos in this country are still of child-bearing age!


Considering the fact that 90 percent of the illegal drugs in this country are smuggled in across the Mexican border by Latino gangs such as MS-13, the Mexican Mafia, and the 18th Street Gang, we can expect to see open season on our police officers and American cities to resemble lawless Mexican towns as the presence of those gangs continues to grow. Most of us are all too familiar with the lawless attitude displayed by Mexican illegal aliens, as they take to our roads without drivers licenses nor insurance and are all too often drunk (It is actually a measure of manhood in Mexico for a man too drink excessively, then get behind the wheel of a car. Enforcement of driving laws in Mexico is basically non-existent.)


Illegal aliens account for 30 percent of this nation’s prison population and present a much greater and present danger to America than Iraq or Afghanistan ever could.


We all saw huge numbers of mostly illegal aliens marching in the streets of more than 20 U.S. cities last year, in which these invaders were demanding their ‘rights.’ In Dallas alone, 500,000 demonstrators filled the streets waving Mexican flags and shouting threats of ‘Reconquista” (re-conquest of the American Southwest).


Just as in France, we have a large and ever-growing immigrant population which refuses to assimilate or contribute to this nation. Remittances (mostly Western Union Money Grams) from the United States, account for Mexico’s second richest industry, behind oil exports. Every year, illegal aliens working in this country send $45 billion in remittances to Latin America. Though many of them do work, they do so illegally while taking advantage of free public education, welfare programs, emergency services, and free healthcare by using hospital emergency rooms as their primary physician (as a result, dozens of hospitals across the country have been bankrupted).


With the incredible birth rates of Latinos and the continuous and unchecked Mexican invasion, this country will become another Latin American nation in our lifetime. What will this mean to you?...The disappearance of the English language, the destruction of our traditional American culture, the over-population of our cities, epidemics of once-thought eradicated diseases, crushing poverty, suppressed wages, and soaring crime. The amount of violence we have already seen perpetrated on American citizens by Latino foreign nationals will pale in comparison as uneducated, poor, lawless Latinos will take to our streets once again with their ‘demands.’ However, we will then be outnumbered.


If an honest effort is not made to protect our border with Mexico and we do not adopt sensible immigration policies, the United States as we know it will cease to exist. Just as France will soon succumb to Islam, the United States will soon join the Third World.