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Obama's Strategist: Hill's Vote Helped Kill Bhutto?

27 Dec 2007 04:14 pm

Political reporters and analysts are unapologetically trying to determine the political ramifications of the Bhutto assassinations, yours truly included. And while many of the presidential campaigns have incorporated the day's events into their campaign argument explicitly, Barack Obama's big cheeses aren't holding back, and neither is a surrogate of Hillary Clinton's.

Maybe I'm parsing this too much. Judge for yourself.

Says David Axelrod, Obama's chief strategist:

Bhutto’s death will “call into issue the judgment: who’s made the right judgments ... Obviously, one of the reasons that Pakistan is in the distress that it’s in is because al-Qaeda is resurgent, has become more powerful within that country and that’s a consequence of us taking the eye off the ball and making the wrong judgment in going into Iraq. That’s a serious difference between these candidates and I’m sure that people will take that into consideration."

He continues, according to the account on Time.com:

“She was a strong supporter of the war in Iraq, which we would submit, was one of the reasons why we were diverted from Afghanistan, Pakistan and al-Qaeda, who may have been players in this event today, so that’s a judgment she’ll have to defend.

In other words: Clinton's judgment helped create the conditions that led to Bhutto's assassination. (The failure of American foreign policy helped create the conditions that led to Bhutto's assassination. The judgment of the American people -- who, like Clinton, supported the war in 2002 -- helped create the conditions that led to the assassination of Bhutto.)

An Obama aide says I'm "absurd" for drawing this conclusion-- after all, I'm sitting at a desk in Washington and wasn't present for the Q and A with reporters. "He didn't draw a straight-line relationship," another aide said.

The second aide passes along more of what Axelrod said, so read it for yourself:

Well, it puts on the table foreign policy judgment, and that's a discussion we welcome. Barack Obama had the judgment to oppose the war in Iraq, and he warned at the time it would divert us from Afghanistan and Al Qaeda, and now we see the effect of that. Al Qaeda's resurgent, they're a powerful force now in Pakistan, they may have been involved we've been here, so I don't know whether the news has been updated, but there's a suspicion they may have been involved in this. I think his judgment was good. Sen. Clinton made a different judgment, so let's have that discussion

The Clinton campaign bites back by not biting: Writes Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson:

"This is a time to be focused on the tragedy of the situation, its implications for the U.S. and the world, and to be concerned for the people of Pakistan and the country’s stability. No one should be politicizing this situation with baseless allegations."

One Clinton surrogate went a little off message, too... Sen. Evan Bayh, per MSNBC:

He added that in a general election, Republicans would likely raise the specter of international attacks in attempt to garner votes. “When there are unfortunate calamities like this, the Republicans [will say], ‘See. See what we told you? We have to have someone who’s strong to defend America at a time of concern.’ Well, Senator Clinton is strong,” he said. “And she’s experienced. And she’s tough enough to defend this country and do it in a way that’s true to our values, the civil liberties we cherish, and that’s one of the reasons why I’m supporting her.”

Speaking after the event, Bayh again emphasized the need for experience. “I think they know we live in a dangerous world, and tragedies like this just remind us that we need someone with the seasoning, the experience and the strength to be commander in chief during uncertain times,” he said. “The job of the next president is not to be entertainer in chief. The job of the next president is to move our country forward to make the substantive changes that will matter in our daily lives, and to protect us in an uncertain and dangerous world. And that’s why in a field of very good candidates, I believe Senator Clinton has the right combination of experience and strength to accomplish all of those things.”

NB: Here's a CNN report:

Comments (36)

I think you are working way too hard to spin Axelrod's response into something they are not. Why not post the questions and full quotes so that we can get the full context here?

Axelrod's quote was in response to a question, which basically asked which candidate benefited from the assassination (and the way the question was worded implied that the answer was Hillary). Now, perhaps Axelrod should have artfully dodged the question, but his comment was not unprompted. And Obama himself said nothing. That's in contrast to Clinton, who incorporated talking points about Bhutto in her speech today (in addition to sending Bayh out to do her hackwork).

Barack Obama has consistently taken Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, and other candidates positions and votes out of context to use as a weapon to attack her and other Democrats. This is Rovian politics.

David Axelrod should apologize immediately for these comments. And, the main stream media should do its job and review Barack Obama's dangerous positions that he has taken in the past on Pakistan.

It appears if terrorist were responsible for the killing of Bhutto , Obama was right. He said we must go after the terrorist there and like the Iraq war he is right on Pakistan
"There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again . . . If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.” Obama

"The country is endangered by extremism...an organized minority had seized control of the levers of the state," including officials who had connections to extremists going way back to the Afghan mujahedin war against the Soviets, which boosted such radicals as Osama bin Laden."
http://www.newsweek.com/id/68826/page/1

"If Pakistan has no control in the tribal areas, then tomorrow foreign forces can come there," Bhutto said in the northwestern city of Peshawar, a stronghold of religious parties. She was apparently referring to U.S. and NATO forces operating on the Afghan side of the border.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314532,00.html

Her is Bhutto again agreeing with Obama
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NmRiNGJjODNmZWZiM2I2NzgwMjE2NGVmOTNlN2YwYjA

BHUTTO: Well, I wouldn't like the United States to violate Pakistan's sovereignty with unauthorized military operations. But the issue that I would like to stress is that Barack Obama also said, if Pakistan won't act. And that's the critical issue, that the government has to act. And the government has to act to protect Pakistan's own serenity and integrity, its own respect, and to understand that if it creates a vacuum, then others aren't going to just twiddle their thumbs while militants freely move across the border.

As usual he is prophetic. I guess judgment does triumph over experience as a first lady.

Here is a quote from Bhutto agreeing with Obama's policy stance:

Bhutto's reaction to Obama's Pakistan policy: "But the issue that I would like to stress is that Barack Obama also said, if Pakistan won't act. And that's the critical issue, that the government has to act. And the government has to act to protect Pakistan's own serenity and integrity, its own respect, and to understand that if it creates a vacuum, then others aren't going to just twiddle their thumbs while militants freely move across the border." -- Benazir Bhutto, August, 2007 ....

It is so funny that Obama tries to act like an anti-war candidate. If he really were, he probably would have voted for Kerry's resolution to withdraw in '07. Or he would have made a resolution of his own. As far as I know he has voted the same way on the war as Hillary since becoming a senator.

Based on his voting record in the senate, I also believe Obama would have gone along with the crowd for the inital war resolution. He doesn't exactly buck the trends. Rather, he votes like Hillary.

This is a pretty misleading post. You make it sound as though Axelrod ran to the media to blame Bhutto's death on the Iraq war. What actually happened is that Axelrod was asked if any candidates will benefit from the assignation (which implicitly is a question whether her assassination will boost Clinton's closing argument) and he gave the answer. Very irresponsible reporting on your part.

Very disappointing piece, Marc. The headline is almost criminal. Nobody EVER implied that HRCs vote "helped" kill Bhutto.

HRC said this morning--before anyone from the Obama camp dais anything--that this tragedy was a reminder that we need someone with her experience in the White House.

If HRC is making those kinds of statements, it's absolutely fair and reasonable for someone in the OBama camp to remind Americans that JUDGEMENT is what really counts in moments of crisis.

Poor journalism. Very poor.

Marc,

As someone who doesn't have a dog in this fight, it seems to me that you are rather badly distorting Axelrod's point to try to add drama to a rather run-of-the-mill quote. The header of your post-- suggesting the Obama's campaign is saying that Hillary is partly responsible for Bhutto's death-- is both badly misleading and plainly a misrepresentation on its face. Nothing personal, but this sort of post makes me less inclines to think of you as someone who delivers calm, objective reporting and analysis and more as someone who is inclined to get excitable and invent controversy and drama where there is none.

I mean, good god man, the title to this post is just awful. Like something from Drudge. Take a few deep breaths, calm yourself, and come up with something better.

Like I mentioned before, Obama has not shown himself to have any different judgments from Hillary. So it is funny that the campaign keeps asserting that he somehow has better judgment. How can he really differentiate himself? If you don't take actions against the war (like the Kerry resolution or something else) than you/your camp really shouldn't continually talk trash.

Of course he can SAY he would have done things differently, but he has everything to gain by saying this. However, his actions show that he refuses to do anything differently when he is actually on record. To me then, the statements call into question EQUALLY both Obama's and Hillary's judgments.

Hey, Come On Already, come on already yourself. Obama spoke out directly against the war at a time when it was not only an unpopular position, but considered borderline unpatriotic -- and a certain end to any political aspirations. That's a stark difference with Hillary.

True, he didn't have to vote on the issue, but that makes his stance even more notable, because he could just as easily have said nothing. No one was forcing him to take a position. He took a position because he believed in it, and believed in it strongly.

Moreover, he clearly outlined the reasons he opposed the war, and those reasons turned out to be prophetic. So has his statements about Pakistan. That's not talking trash. That's better judgment.

But if Obama was really so against the war, why hasn't he gotten together with people like Kerry now that he has a say? An attempt would be noble.

If Obama really intends to be a doer, than he should do something. Otherwise what is the point? All I see him saying is basically, "I told you so". Well big deal. Little good it does any of us. Try to create new legislation. Come up with new ideas. Don't be a sheep then.

That is my whole problem with Obama so far in the senate. He is a good speaker, but I don't see many actions. I guess that is because he's been busy running for president most of his tenure. Running for office is fine, but get some experience at one job before you move to the next...

I don't blame Obama for running. You take your chances when you can. But I'm not prepared to vote for him until he has some more national political experience. Then he may be my choice.

So far, his voting record does not differentiate him from the other candidates.

Barack Obama once quoted " if the United States had not gone to war in Iraq, the US Army would have had more resources to deal with the greater threat in Afghanistan and Pakistan"

This show BARACK OBAMA has GOOD JUDGEMENT.

NO MORE CLINTON POLITICAL DYNASTY.
WE NEED CHANGE NOW.

!!! VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA !!!

Obama was against the war once upon a time but once in the senate he funded it and funded it and funded it. He funded Bush giving musharif a billion dollars a year in aide. AND today his guy axelrod rushes to answer an loaded question in the most loaded attack dog way he can, trying to blame today's events on hillary's votes but not obama's voting record. Everyone knows the person or persons who killed Bhutto should be blamed not an American politician. And Obama's only job today was to sound a little presidential and Axelrod's only job was to make no statement so that the press went with Obama's statement:
Unfortunately Obama blew his statement and Hillary aced hers.
Then axelrod pees all over himself and obama with his unwise idiotic statements.
Obama and his number one guy are Not ready for prime time players.
Why didn't all the former clinton foriegn policy people obama was bragging about come out and speak? Where was Samantha powers?
Amateur hour for Obama.

What the ...? What the hell is Bayh talking about? "Entertainer" in chief? They did it AGAIN. Who does Bayh think Obama is, the Jazz Singer? They have got to shelve this suba rosa racism over there in Hillaryland. Yes I am sure: innocent mistake, don't be so sensitive, you are reading too much into it, hillary worked for cdf, blah blah blah. I give them more credit than that; I believe they know exactly what they are doing and it is disgusting.

Axelrod should have said that the death of a courageous political activist does not aid any of the candidates. Nobody gains when the world looses a great leader.

Obama and his people seem to be throwing a lot of elbows lately. I wonder if he is seeing internal polling that is not so positive.

He is going to get himself in trouble fast if his image morphs from a messenger of hope by an to a sniping opportunistic know it all.

Of course that's what Axelrod meant. I've tried to tell anyone who listens that Barrack Obama is very much part of the Daley Machine and David Axelrod is as dirty a player as they come. Obama (and Bill Clinton) worked to destroy the best chance we had in decades for a clean local government by playing the race card and (barely) defeating a Dem reform candidate to head the (very large) county government.

As for Obama's "anti-war" position, people should know that when he made it, he was running 3rd in the senate primary -- his state senate district is one of the most liberal places in the state. His endorsing the war at that time would be like Ann Coulter calling for the troops to come home.

NO more Clinton dynasty and corrupted Health Industry.
Its time to end 20 years of Clinton/Bush political dynasty.

!!! ITS TIME FOR CHANGE !!!

BARACK OBAMA WAS RIGHT ON IRAQ.

BARACK OBAMA WAS RIGHT ON IRAN.

BARACK OBAMA WAS RIGHT ON PAKISTAN.

BARACK OBAMA HAS RIGHT JUDGEMENT FROM THE BEGINNING.

BARACK OBAMA's JUDGEMENT TRIUMPHS OVER HILLARY's WRONG EXPERIENCE.


!!! VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA !!!

Come On Already:
If Obama really intends to be a doer, than he should do something. Otherwise what is the point? All I see him saying is basically, "I told you so". Well big deal. Little good it does any of us. Try to create new legislation. Come up with new ideas. Don't be a sheep then.

"Bills Obama authored or introduced (not including bills sponsored or cosponsored):"

Alternative Diesel Standard
Fuel Economy Reform Act
Health Care for Hybrids Act
National Low Carbon Fuel Standard Act
Oil SENSE Act
Federal Funding Accountability & Transparency Act
Iraq War De-escalation Act
Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assitance, and Conventional Threat Reduction Act of 2006
Lead Free Toys Act
Healthy Communities Act
Healthy Places Act
Mercury Market Minimization Act
Missing Mercury in Manufacturing Monitoring and Mitigation Act
Chemical Security and Safety Act
Spent Nuclear Fuel Tracking and Accountability Act
Innovation Districts for School Improvement Act
Summer Term Education Programs for Upward Progress Act
Education Opportunity Act
Higher Education Opportunity Through Pell Grant Expansion Act
National MEDiC Act
Hospital Quality Report Card Act
Federal Employees Health Benefits Program Efficiency Act
Attacking Viral Influenza Across Nations Act
Lead Poisoning Reduction Act
Genomics and Personalized Medicine Act
Sheltering All Veterans Everywhere Act
Home for Heroes Act
Legislative Transparency and Accountability Act
Honest Leadership and Open Government Act

Obama has been a driving force behind greater transparency and accountability in DC, in particular on the way Congress is allocating our money.
See http://www.usaspending.gov/,
the direct result of the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act created by Obama and Tom Coburn. |

"Obama spoke out directly against the war at a time when it was not only an unpopular position."


Obama's speech came 16 days after the senate IWR vote, what good did that do.

Hillary was PRO U.N., Bush was Pro War, Obama was PRO doing nothing.
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