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Some Clintonology

05 Jan 2008 09:35 am

A hoarse, happy, Barack Obama blew the lid off the New Hampshire Democratic Party’s 100 Club fundraiser last night. Two nights in a row, two entirely different speeches, two rapturous responses. Hillary Clinton spoke there too, and while her speech was well received, one of her advisers acknowledged to me that the campaign was not happy with the response of the activists who attended, at least a third of whom are probably firmly committed Clinton supporters. It is rare when a Clinton is booed at an event.

On tense conference calls yesterday, major Clinton donors and prominent Clinton allies took turns questioning top campaign aides and even President Clinton, about the road forward and what some termed their failure to be appropriately prepared by the campaign for a third place finish.

One Clinton donor and two prominent surrogates said they had been led to believe the campaign that by that if Clinton were to lose Iowa, she would have placed a close second to John Edwards, a candidate viewed as eminently beatable by the Clinton operation.

But such is the lot of major Clinton donors. And in truth, despite a healthy measure of kremlinology,the truth is that the campaign does not have a strategy to turn away the challenge Obama has posed.

In Iowa, one Clinton adviser, speaking before the caucuses, said that were Obama able to turn out independents and Democrats in the number projected by the Des Moines Register poll, "he deserves to be the nominee."

That does not that Clinton's advisers have given up home.

The critical period, Clinton advisers believe is, the contest-free 10 days on the calendar between the South Carolina primary on the 26th and the Feb. 5 states. During that period, it is hoped -- and I use the passive tense advisedly -- that the press will subject Mr. Obama to the scrutiny befitting beef imported from England.

Aides to Clinton point out that, in contrast to Iowa and New Hampshire, voters on Feb. 5 will rely heavily on media coverage, rather than on direct contact with candidates. The campaign believes that voters in these states will be desensitized to the more inspirational aspects of Obama's candidacy by then and will, if the scrutiny is there, question his basic fitness to be president.

Comments (21)

What is interesting about that strategy is that it seems to concede NH and SC. Do they really think the media is going to treat her as anything less but toast if she loses all three states ?
One more point. I keep hearing about Obama now getting examined more thoroughly.
As a supporter of Obama, I am perfectly willing to admit the tone of the coverage has certainly been nicer to him than to her. But is there really *Something* we don't know about him ? I think we do know all there is to know. The thing that was different is that his foibles were treated with a shrug when every detail of HER life was examined harshly. But is there really anything "new" under the sun ? Are they expecting old stories to be revisited and to certainly become major ? Color me skeptical. The media is now in love with the historical narrative of an Obama win (although I am surprised how much of the coverage is dedicated to how "she will try to fight back" rather than swoon over his victory) and I doubt they suddenly will turn bitter.
Wishful thinking maybe.

PS: Do we really expect Edwards to stay in the race until Feb 5th if he places - as expected - third in NH and SC ? And do we expect him to support her rather than Obama ? I don't/
And do we expect Al Gore to stay quiet if Obama wins all three states ?

I think the essential problem is that the only argument they can logically make is the one they have been: experience. They can say he's too liberal to be elected; but if he wins NH and SC they will not be able to make that argument with a straight face. If they want, they can attempt to draw contrasts and paint him as unfit for the presidency.

But if he wins NH, SC, and gives two more huge speeches like he did in Iowa Thursday night people will get more and more excited by the idea of this man and this momment and this being the first African American president of the United States.

If they're waiting until Feb. 5th then the train will have moved on and the fact they're not airing attack ads makes me think they don't have an effectual argument (either substantivly or emotionally) against Obama. The biggest light between their platforms are the mandates on health care; and that is a fight the Obama campaign would not mind having. And National Security and Commander in Chief is a fight and an argument they have never stepped back from at all.

I don't think the Clintons have any effective options but hope he collapses at an unoportune momment like what happend to her in Philadelphia.

I have been "scrutinizing" Barack Obama for almost a year. I have read his books, researched his career, his votes on issues, and studiously read a great deal of press reportage--including his opponents attacks. What I have discovered is he is the person he presents himself to be--a thoughtful, compassionate, brilliant man with great understanding of the complexities of our times.

"Experience" means nothing to me if it speaks of bad judgement and poor vision and lack of respect for people who may disagree with you. Barack Obama has the vision and the experience I respect.

I was a volunteer for RFK in 68 and have not been this inspired by a candidate since then. I have found the means to send Obama a $100 every few weeks since last April by giving up a few "luxuries".
When my son said he did not want anything for Christmas this year, I promptly sent another $100 to Barack Obama. I am sure there are many other people with similar stories. We want to feel good about our country again and Barack Obama gives us the hope that we just might be able to do that.

Benjamin, Edwards' advisers have already been reported as saying Edwards will endorse Obama if he has to pull out of the race, and that it could come as early as right after N.H. if he does poorly. I'm not sure how Clinton would be able to stop Obama after such an endorsement, it may not be possible unless a serious scandal erupts.

However, the polls still have Hillary in the lead in NH, albeit shrinking after the first day of post Iowa coverage. I won't be confident about it until I see Obama ahead in those daily tracking polls, which may take until Monday. Hillary has a sizable lead among women in N.H., about 10 points over Obama. And the youth aren't breaking as heavily towards Obama. Hopefully those demographics change over the next few days.

"Aides to Clinton point out that, in contrast to Iowa and New Hampshire, voters on Feb. 5 will rely heavily on media coverage, rather than on direct contact with candidates. The campaign believes that voters in these states will be desensitized to the more inspirational aspects of Obama's candidacy by then and will, if the scrutiny is there, question his basic fitness to be president."

Everyone who gripes and moans about how awful it is to have Iowa and New Hampshire go first should bookmark this and refer to it the next time they want to go off on "lily-white backwaters."

Just sayin'.

Reading that post just confirms my suspicion that cynicism is the only horse that the Clintons have left to ride.

Matt: I saw Obama on C-SPAN. I cried. I clapped. I shouted. It was electric. I had done the same the night of IA victory.

The boos were genuine. I booed too.

HRC is fake, phony. Clintons are the worse couple in the US. They want power. They are like parasites. She (female clinton) will use her gender. He (male clinton) will use his race. Notice his comments on Charlie Rose about his accomplishments in his last year in AK (1988-1992). There are NONE.

HRC has done NOTHING in White House or in the Senate. Her life is VAPOR-WARE.

Why is the press blind?

are you drunk?

yeah I think think were this post was written drunk...

Btw isn't there anyway for a surrogate to point out that after MONTHS of hailing Iowa and its caucus (including a few days ago after the Strickland kerfuffle) now the Clintons are unloading on it, calling "like a mayoral race of a medium-sized city" and undemocratic and so on ... I know that would risk alienating NH which likes to go against the Iowa grain but I am stunned the media don't jump on the hypocrisy. I don't mind her that much but that flip flop/ willingess to say anything when she thinks she will win and unload when she doesn't is so typical of the mythical Clintons I am surprised not more people jump on it.

The only effective strategy is to begin questioning whether Obama is a real progressive. The netroots have already noticed the parroting of republican lines, but Clinton seems to have missed it.

Congratulations to Barack Obama on his win in Iowa. He does make exceptionally good speeches. However, there is a bit of excessive praise, almost a mania, to the Barack phenomenon at this point. One supporter (in a New York Times' blog) said that Obama's Iowa speech was one of the most memorable speeches of a lifetime, comparable to the Gettysburg Address. If that's the case, I challenge listeners to recite from memory any memorable line, aside from the repeated emphasis on 'hope' 'change', etc. Obama is blessed with an incredibly rich voice and a beautiful cadence and has the ability to move people using broad themes. This is one of any politician's best assets. I'm still supporting John Edwards, however. He is the only candidate who continues to speak with conviction and strength about the plight of Americans living in poverty, and is the candidate whose policies are actually much more progressive than those put forward by Obama. I would like to see us enter this race with a candidate whose healthcare plan actually covers all Americans and doesn't leave 15 million without coverage. Edwards is optimistic, but his optimism is grounded in realism. On a personal level this involves the way he and Elizabeth coped with the death of his 16 year old son, and with her cancer. On a political level, it is evident from his realization that it is going to take far more than nice thoughts about 'hope' and 'unity' to take on the corporate interests that are going to array against the progressive economic policies, healthcare legislation, and energy policy we want to see passed. It IS going to be a political battle, and it is going to take conviction and courage to win it. It is also going to take a bigger democratic majority in Congress. I still believe that with his rural, working class southern roots, Edwards is the candidate who can compete most strongly across the entire United States. We need a candidate who can reach out to "Reagan democrats." Some are saying that this is 'old politics.' If working and fighting for economic justice, better pay, truly comprehensive healthcare, speaking for the voiceless is 'old politics' then I'll stay old-fashioned. At least I know where this man stands, and I will stand with him. With his strong populist progressive message, and his background, John Edwards is doing this. I was helping manage one of his Iowa caucuses, and we had several self-identified independents, and a Republican small business owner, attend the caucus for the first time and align themselves with John Edwards' message. Don't get me wrong. I like Barack Obama. He is my senator and I worked for his election in Illinois. I can understand the passion he evokes in some of his followers. But I worked for Edwards four years ago, and there are still moments from that campaign, and from this one, that I also had feelings we were looking at another RFK for the democratic party. So Obama supporters need to understand that others (including even some Hillary backers) actually have passion and commitment to their candidate. Most important, I still feel in my gut that Edwards is the one who would have the strongest 'coattails' in the general election, and is the man whose experience and life story will make him a great President of the United States.

From the closing argument of the NH Dem Dinner video: http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=203272-1&showVid=true

"...This is our moment, this is our time...

If you will stand with me, if you will vote for me, if you will go out there and get organized, and mobilized and march and get on the phones, and get on the email, and bring your friends to the polls...

If you believe that your children deserve the same chance that somebody gave us, if you believe that we have to keep the dream alive for those who still hunger for justice and who still thirst for opportunity, if you are not willing to settle for what the cynics tell you you have to accept, if you are willing to reach for what you know in your gut is possible, then I promise you this:

We will not just win the NH Primary, we will not just win the democratic nomination, we will not just win the general election... But you and I, standing together, will heal this nation and repair the world and finally have an america we can believe in again. I four day's time. ..."

Oh. My. God.

The energy of the crowd in that room, comparing his time with Hillary's, seemed to be quite a bit higher. Was that how it felt (any of you who were there?) It seems Marc's characterizing this as another huge event is likely to be a mere prelude for what's coming next.

This post is really badly written, at times incoherent.

But I got the gist of it. I seriously hope (um, no pun intended) Obama can keep going. I am worried about the dirty tactics the Clinton team will dredge up. While I think many will see it as desperation, it will unfortunately affect his support from fence sitters in future primaries.

> But such is the lot of major Clinton donors.

These are the people who had best hope that Obama really believes his own rhetoric of inclusiveness and forgiveness. They bet big, really big, that Hillary would sweep all the way to the Oval Office and burned their bridges behind them.

Cranky

Latest Rasmussen poll has Obama at 37&, Clinton at 27&, and Edwards w/ 19%.

... it is hoped -- and I use the passive tense advisedly ...

Forgive the niggling, but passive voice.

Good catch, K!

Niggle harder! The other day some TIME magazine blogger used "bell weather" (two words).

Atlantic & TIME exist because ordinary bloggers are illiterate.

BTW, the latest ARG poll has Obama up by 12 (38-26).

John Edwards is the canidate that is getting no attention. He has been neglected by the media. He came in second in Iowa. Will someone please the campaign the attenion it deserves?
He will only be able to stay in the race if he gets some coverage.

What I have discovered is he is the person he presents himself to be--a thoughtful, compassionate, brilliant man with great understanding of the complexities of our times.

He's also "clean", "articulate", and totally
enjoying Ezra's tongue on his anus...