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Anti-Huckabee E-mails Spread "Anti-Catholic" Bias

13 Jan 2008 05:00 pm

This e-mail is circulating among Michigan Republicans:


Michigan Catholic Voter Alert:
What Michigan Catholics MUST Know About Mike Huckabee

FACT: Mike Huckabee has exhibited a willful blindness in associating with anti-Catholicism when it has benefited him politically.

FACT: Instead of supporting a healthy expression of religion in the public square, Mike Huckabee has used his evangelical protestant faith as a wedge to divide the Republican Party and gain support from fellow evangelicals.

FACT: While claiming to believe Catholics are fellow Christians, Mike Huckabee has kept close acquitance with evangelical leaders who have:

o Compared Catholicism to a disease requiring 'recovery' and rehabilitation;

o Said the Catholic Church collaborated with the Nazis to exterminate Jews;

o Accused the Catholic Church of pulling mankind into the 'dark ages'.

FACT: Mike Huckabee has been endorsed by anti-Catholic author Tim Lahaye , who called Catholicism a "false religion" Lahaye's Church also funded "Mission to Catholics", a virulently anti-Catholic ministry.

Read More: Catholic.org: False Profit: Money, Prejudice, and Bad Theology in Tim LaHaye's Left Behind Series and at The Catholic League: The Best-Selling Bigotry of Left Behind

FACT: Mike Huckabee has also played up anti-Mormon sentiment against Governor Mitt Romney by asking a reporter if it was the Mormon Church that taught that Jesus and the devil were half-brothers. For more information, click here .

FACT: Mike Huckabee turned a blind eye to an anti-Catholic whisper campaign waged against Catholic Senator Sam Brownback in the run up to the Iowa Straw Poll in July 2007. For more information, click here .

FACT: While Mike Huckabee has declared himself to be the authentic pro-life candidate in the 2008 Republican primary, in 2006 alone he accepted $35,000 in cash from Novo Nordisk, a company dedicated to promoting research on human life through destructive embryonic stem cell research.

Case in Point: Mike Huckabee was the guest speaker at the notoriously anti-Catholic Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, TX on December 23, 2007.

Huckabee was hosted by the Rev. John Hagee, who has written that the Catholic Church collaborated with Hitler in staying completely silent during the Holocaust. This would be a surprise to millions of Catholics who struggled against Nazism, most especially St. Maximillan Kolbe.

Here is a sampling of Pastor Hagee's writings:

John Hagee: "Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews."
John Hagee: "The Catholic Church plunged the world into the dark ages."
John Hagee: " When Hitler became a global demonic monster, the Catholic Church and Pope Pius XII never, ever slightly criticized him."

What does Mike Huckabee think about John Hagee?

Huckabee said John Hagee is, "one of the greatest Christian leaders of our nation."

But the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights has a different opinion of John Hagee:

READ MORE: "John Hagee: Veteran Bigot."

What did Mike Huckabee do when presented with these vicious statements made by John Hagee about Catholics and the Catholic Church?

Nothing, but Huckabee did make this very equivocal statement: "I can't speak for (Hagee) anymore than he could speak for me. I'm sure that there're things I'll say that he disagrees with… I would certainly never characterize the Catholic Church as being pro-Nazi, never."
Just imagine if a politician:

Spoke at a church/organization which denied the Holocaust ever existed;
Said he did not agree with this statement of the church/organization;
But then went on to call the leader of this church/organization (who made the statement denying the Holocaust) one of the finest leaders in our nation.

Imagine this scenario no longer: Mike Huckabee has put forward this ridiculous line of reasoning.

And to top it off, Huckabee accepted $10,000 from Hagee for speaking at the church!

Why did the self-anointed authentic pro-life candidate in this election—Mike Huckabee—accept $35,000 in 2006 from Novo Nordisk, a company that conducts life-destructive embryonic stem cell research?

While this story line sounds too salacious to be true, Mike Huckabee did in fact accept $35,000 from Novo Nordisk in 2006, a company that is one of the largest embryonic stem cell research firms in the world.

What was the reason for these payments? Huckabee accepted the money for 'consulting services/speaking fees'. Huckabee accepted this money nonetheless while he was the sitting Governor of Arkansas.

How can pro-lifers trust this man when he has taken so much money—for so little actual work-- from a company that profits from the destruction of human life? Simply, put, they can't. At minimum, why won't Mike Huckabee return this money?

Conclusion

Sadly, Mike Huckabee would seek to divide conservatives and Republicans along religious lines for political gain. While America needs a more robust expression of faith in the public square, it does not need a preacher politician who has shown a repeated pattern of dividing people along religious lines. The shared values of Protestants and Catholics are too important to risk endangering this important coalition by nominating Mike Huckabee, a candidate who has demonstrated a blind eye to anti-Catholicism.

Michigan Catholic Voters:
Do you want a president who rubs shoulders with Anti-Catholic Bigots?
On Tuesday, January 15th , you have a chance to be heard.

Vote Against Anti-Catholic Bigotry.
Vote Against Mike Huckabee .

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Many faiths failed to stand up to Hitler. This email is trash. Huckabee hired many Catholics while governor of AR and has nothing against Catholics.

Interesting way to print your anti-Huckabee bias without taking any responsibility for it. The so called "facts" are lies.

I realize it's tough for secular folks and non-Christians to grasp the complicated relationship between evangelical Protestants and Catholics, and for that reason I appreciate your efforts to suss out how this relationship might bear on this year's elections. Back in my Baptist days I certainly heard a lot of veiled anti-Catholic prejudice; in my adult life in New York, I've been appalled by anti-Protestant bigotry from otherwise decent Catholic friends. Beneath the common religion there are very real and enduring tensions.

So Huckabee supports stem cell research and this pisses some folks off. Must be true since the pamphlet repeated the charge several times.

Evangelical what?

Nothing to see here, please move on.

Would be nice if we could see where the missing hyperlinks in that email are supposed to go.

Mike Huckabee is a bigot. Period. His campaign purposely trashed mormonism to get bigot evangelicals firmly in his camp in Iowa. He has made a continual habit of associating with anti-Mormon, anti-Catholic, and anti-Mainstream Protestant bigots.

The Wayne Dumond Ad and this email could not be directed at a nicer guy.

Where do I contribute to the effort?

so just because it was repeated several times makes it true... um... whatever!

Please stop trying to drive a wedge between Catholis and Evangelicals regarding Mike Huckabee. It's obvious that the powers-that-be do not want the two groups to come together as a bloc and elect a real Christian. This terrifies the wirepullers because they hate Christians and pro-lifers and want to keep all Christians from uniting, since the Christ haters are a small minority.

Candace, Why don't you stop spreading blatant lies all over the net about Mike Huckabee and his campaign.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I worked with the Huckabee campaign in Iowa and did a lot of work with the Pastors for Huckabee group that contacted clergymen all over the state.
It was not isolated to just Protestants. The campaign reached out to Catholics, non denominational churches and even greeted Mormons with open arms to the campaign.
It was a Social Conservative message, not a message of hate and there was far from being any bigotry coming from the campaign.

Get your facts straight and stop spreading lies. If you want to promote a candidate that is fine, but don't spread lies about another who is nothing but a good hearted man.

Another bogus commentary --- don't believe a word of it.

Check out the mainline Catholic online magazines that support Huckabee now that Brownback pulled out of the race. www.catholic.org

Also check out Rosaries for Huckabee. http://catholicknight.blogspot.com/2007/10/rosary-for-huckabee.html

Good hearted? Good grief!

This man who claims to be a "Christian" would have us believe that he is either 1.) a rotten pastor (I don't doubt that), 2.) a lousy student who lies about the degrees he has (I'd believe that too) 3.) A bigot (ditto).

I think I might just go with all three after he asks an interviewer for the New York Times whether Mormons belive that "Jesus and Satan are brothers".

This is a STANDARD part of Baptist apologetics attacking Mormons. Only he was too ignorant to absorb it correctly as it is really supposed to be "Jesus and Lucifer". They are different. If he actually had a theology degree he might have known that.

And the part about him not knowing much about Mormons because there aren't very many in Arkansas stinks too. How any Baptist minister could not know what Baptists think about Mormonism or their standard arguments against it after giving a keynote speach at the pastors conference at the SBC meeting which focused on ministering to Mormons in Salt Lake City in 1998 is beyond me. Unless he is stupid or a liar.

I'll buy both.

Oh, and besides his book of drivel, a copy of "Mormonism Unmasked" was passed out to reporters at this same conference.

You people are nice. Christians ha!

The republican party jerks live by the religion divide and die by religion divide. They all deserve this.

Actaully Candice it would not suprise me if Huckabee did not know a lot of Mormons because needless to say there are not a lot of Mormons in Arkansas.

Howe wuickly do we forget that Mike was part of a event that honored Romney in Little Rock, and during a deabte he tolkd Chris Matthews that ROmenys religion was not a issue.

It seems that various suppoerter from all the various camps that have little social lives wish to conduct little wars with each other. It is all so silly.

Anyway I am not going to fall for it. And I shall fight it.

This sounds off - As Obama supporter with deep skeptcism about Huckabee - we have to say this is pretty weak. You see lots of word games - trying to attrbute to Huckabee things he didn't really say. Indeed - some guilt by association re Hagee. Parts of it sound like that demagogue that Tweety has on (Donahue) from time to time, and other parts sound like a Catholic trying to imitate others.

Huckabee probably does not hate Catholics, but Hagee probably does. The connection between the two is a reach.

I'm a member of the Catholic League and they have sent literature concerning Huck's alleged anti-Catholicisms. I'm not convinced.

The head of the CL, Bill Donahue, has become a stooge for the republican party and in particular the neocon wing of the repubs. A member of the Board of Drectors of the Catholic League is Linda Chavez, former Sec of Labor for Geo W Bush. She is a big neocon who pushed for war against Iraq and future war against Iran. These actions are not Catholic as they violate the Just War Doctrine.

In fact, Chavez married out of her faith and has raised her children in the faith of their father, Judaism (she may have even converted at one time). Bill Donahue and Linda Chavez are two Catholics that have sold out their religion for political gain and endless wars not in our nation's interest.

I've seen these "FACTs" spamming comment fields all over the Internet news websites.

If anything, I think they are backfiring. They confirm and entrench those who already closed their minds against Huckabee.

But for most of us with open minds, it is repulsive when people attack so stridently. It makes us wonder what is really going on? It makes us curious enough to investigate. Further investigation leads us to discover how one-dimensional and out-of-context, if not outright false, these attacks are. I encourage you to do your own research, with an open mind.

When people try to make someone look like the Devil incarnate, take it for granted that they feel threatened by that person and have a clear agenda in sharing their "facts" with you. It is not out of a love of truth that they feel so motivated to persuade you.

Huckabee is inspiring. He "gets it" in ways many Republicans don't. He reaches out to people not traditionally open to the Republican/conservative message. This freaks out conservatives who don't feel he is talking their own language.

It's time to teach the Republican elites a thing or two. I'm really getting sick of my candidate being smeared and getting called everything in the book. They'd have you believe he is a tax-and-spend liberal blame-America-first ignorant Bible-thumping hick insurgent who wants to destroy the Reagan coalition. Wake up! The Reagan coalition has been cracking for some time.

It is Huckabee who, if given a chance, can rebuild the Republican party. He is the only candidate that can get the Reagan Democrats back. He is the only candidate with bold ideas for the future, not just "more of the same." He has the courage to embrace the FairTax, energy independence in 10 years, and other great ideas.

Huckabee is our new Great Communicator. He gets across to people, inspires them, and restores hope in the future of America. Except, of course, for those that feel threatened somehow by his message. Don't rock the boat!

Anyone who has publically revealed prejudice against any section of the American people, as Huckabee has, should not be considered for candidacy of the United States. I'm afraid he has burned some bridges, but you reap what you sew.

LP gets it. This is how Reagan destroyed America. He was the first President who did not even pay lip service to the notion of being President of all Americans. He was only the President of the Good Americans, whoever they were. He wasn't *my* President and he would have been the first to tell you so. In a very real sense, his campaign rhetoric and governing rhetoric revoked my citizenship and reduced me to the status of an internal exile, with no stake in my country or its future. While the nominal justification for this was supermajoritarian, the supermajority did not exist. The result was the 2000 election map, which is a map of a country that cannot be ruled by legitimate means. And so here we are.

Amazing--Huckabee has flying monkeys, just like Ron Paul!

Candace: So, Lucifer and Jesus are "brothers"? And Lucifer and Satan are not related? Could you elaborate, please? The Christian theology that I was taught is slightly different... Where did you study?

Mike Huckabee is a hypocrite. He talks about being the true "Christian Leader" who is above the horizontal-finger pointing politics, above the left-right, right-left, democrat-republican, republican-democrat, blame game.

I beg to differ.

The fact is, Mike Huckabee is on the defense and wants to take the attention off of his liberal record as the governor of Arkansas. If you're reading this and you think that Mike Huckabee is the true conservative candidate of the republican party you need to take a look at the facts;

FACT: The ethics commission fined Huckabee $1,000 for failing to report that he paid himself $14,000 from his 1992 U.S. Senate campaign and $43,000 from his 1994 lieutenant governor's campaign. (Source: POLITICO, Huckabee rivals unearth ethics complaints Kenneth P. Vogel Nov 21, 2007)

FACT: Huckabee accepted more than 300 gifts worth at least $130,000, ranging from $3,700 cowboy boots to a $600 chainsaw. (Source: POLITICO, Huckabee rivals unearth ethics complaints Kenneth P. Vogel Nov 21, 2007)

FACT: Mike Huckabee joined Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in declaring his opposition to the interrogation procedure known as "waterboarding," and said he would support closing the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba and moving the Guantanamo prisoners to the military's only maximum-security prison, Fort Leavenworth in Kansas. This move would grant habeas corpus rights to "enemy combatants." (Source: Washington Post, Huckabee Chafes at 'Front-Runner' Label, Perry Bacon Jr. 12/4/07)

FACT: Mike Huckabee granted 1,033 pardons and commutations, including 12 convicted murderers, one of which "Wayne DuMond" shortly after his release moved to Missouri where he raped and murdered Carol Sue Shields. He was convicted and sentenced to life in prison in Clay County, Mo., in 2003. He died in prison in 2005. (Source: The Leader, Arkansas clemencies outpace other states, Garrick Feldman, 2004)

FACT: Mike Huckabee raised more taxes in 10 years in office than Bill Clinton did in his 12 years. (Source: The Leader, 08/30/2006)

FACT: Mike Huckabee's substantial tax hikes far surpassed his modest tax cuts, with the average tax burden increasing by a whopping 47% over his tenure. (Source: Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, 10/09/07)

FACT: Mike Huckabee opposed a congressional measure to ban internet taxes in 2003. (Source: Arkansas News Bureau, 11/21/03)

FACT: Mike Huckabee in 2004, he allowed a 17% sales tax increase to become law. (Source: The Gurdon Times, 03/02/04)

FACT: Mike Huckabee stole over $70,000 worth of furniture from the Arkansas governors mansion. (Source: Arkansas Times Counting the Furniture, 12/14/06 Leslie Newell Peacock)

FACT: Mike Huckabee set up a nonprofit entity so he could give paid ``inspirational'' speeches without having to disclose the donors. (SOURCE: Bloomberg Dec 12, 2007 Margaret Carlson)

FACT: During the 2001 regular session of the Arkansas Legislature, Mike Huckabee supported giving driver's licenses to illegal aliens. (Source Arkansas Journal, Mike Huckabee Supported Bill to Give Driver's Licenses to Illegal Aliens, Henry Rearden, 11/22/2007)

FACT: Mike Huckabee supported in-state higher education benefits for children of illegal immigrants. (Laura Kellams, "Senators research U.S. law on aliens," Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, 1/27/05)

FACT: Mike Huckabee opposed a federal raid of 119 illegal immigrants at an Arkansas Tyson poultry plant, 107 of whom left the country either voluntarily or through deportation. (Melissa Nelson, "Huckabee Risks Political Fortunes To Denounce Immigration Raid," Associated Press, 8/5/05)

FACT: Mike Huckabee opposed a bill requiring proof of citizenship to vote in his own state. (Source CNS NEWS, Some GOP Concerned about Huckabee's Immigration Views, Fred Lucas, 12/04/2007)

FACT: Mike Huckabee says he has degree in theology, further investigation discovers he does not. (Source: The Carpetbagger Report, Mike Huckabee has a theology degree -- or does he?, 12/14/2007)

Look through his "Awe Schucks" act and see him for what he really is. Mike Huckabee is a liberal in conservative clothing.

MIKE HUCKABEE INTOLERANCE PROBLEM....

Let us assume for a moment that Mike Huckabee gets nominated by the Republican Party for the presidency. I know it is a bold assumption.. Let us examine his chances of his winning the general election without Mormon votes. Given current American voting trends and demographics, he would have no chance. If the Huckster is nominated, the swing states of Nevada (about 10% Mormon), Oregon (4%) and New Mexico (4%) will swing to the Democrats. Remember that President Bush lost Oregon by a couple thousand votes in 2000; New Mexico by a few hundred and picked it up in 2004 by an equally slim margin. Besides losing swing states in 2008, Republicans could also lose solidly red states if they embrace the bigot for president. What would losing a large voting block in, if not the states of, Utah (1.8 million Mormons), Idaho (15%), Wyoming (14%), and Arizona (6%) (you don’t hear McCain bashing Mormons, do you? in fact he’s done just the opposite) do for Republican hopes in 2008? Defections of Mormons in Colorado (131,000) and California (750,000) might cost a few Republican congressional seats. Losing the most-solidly Republican block in the country, the Mormons, or even putting it in play, would turn red states blue and eliminate any hopes of Republicans holding Colorado in the Senate or retaining the White House.

Mormons are tolerant folks, but they don’t tolerate anti-Mormon hostility, especially the bigotry that has been demonstrated by Huckabee’s supporters and, by extension Huckabee, for Huckabee’s failure to call them on it. So, when all of these Mormons decide that they are not going to tolerate an anti-Mormon bigot in the White House, will Mormons in those states vote for a third party or just stay home? Both options are being openly discussed in Mormon circles. If it is a third party, Mormons trend Libertarian; but that is beside the point. How could you vote for someone who is completely intolerant of your faith? Mormons have marched along supporting the candidates of the evangelical right for decades (who voted more reliably for Bush than Mormons? Not evangelicals.) and this Mormon and many others he happens to be talking to are ready to leave the party if Huckabee is nominated or his anti-Mormon campaign continues to be tolerated by the party.

Think of Idaho, Utah, Nevada and Arizona turning blue? Impossible? Not if an anti-Mormon is on the Republican ticket. People say Romney can’t win without evangelicals, well, Huckabee or any other Republican can’t win without Mormons in 2008. It’s a two-way street. No Republican will win the presidency in 2008 without us.

Before anyone discounts the idea of blue Mormons, consider that Harry Reid, the Democratic leader in the Senate is, a Mormon, who, despite being a Democrat, has enjoyed splitting the typically Republican Mormon vote in Nevada. More telling is that Utah County, the home of BYU and the most densely Mormon and Republican area in Utah had a Democrat representing it in Congress for most of the 1990s.

If anyone has any questions about how strongly many of us feel about this, let me say that I am as likely to support Mike Huckabee as Jesse Jackson would support David Duke. Is that clear enough?

This supposed e-mail reads like sensational mumbo jumbo. And it's way too long if the author is trying to make a point. I couldn't even get to the end of it.

We are Catholics that support Mike Huckabee. There are six or so Catholic blogs that we know of so far that heavily support him. You can find them listed at our site:

http://www.domersforhuckabee.net

And how in the world does one go about obtaining a Michigan "Catholic" e-mail list to send this to?

St. Michael the Archangel, pray for Mike Huckabee and his team!

Net

WAKE UP WAKE UP... SLUMBERING AMERICA... WAKE UP!

Juckabee is just a awesome talker, not a true doer. Yeah right... He is a great speaker, wait and see... he will end up being like Carter- serving people while other people suffered needlessly! And having Juckabee as the president will end up being your greatest regret! I know so.

Mitt Romney is a stronger doer, than talker... He might not appear to be profilic speaker but he is a champion DOER. That is a big difference.
OPEN YOUR EYES and see for who Juckabee is! He is ANTI-CHRIST, through and through! He is not acting Christ-like, at all period!

May God have mercy to those who know not what they are doing... glorifying Huckabee above Jesus, imagine this! Something's wrong!

PS: McCain is a snake, really.

I am a Traditional Catholic who fully supports Huckabee. All this trash talk is simply disinformation so that the status quo remains. Huckabee is a good Christian politician who will well represent all faiths and creeds because he is fundamentally and soundly an AMERICAN.

He is socially conservative, Pro-education, Pro-life, Pro-marrieage, Pro-family and Pro- environment!!

I have studied Huckabee's positions and they are all theologically sound and consistent with good Catholic teachings and support a strong democratic society.

Reject the Status Quo!! Reject these muckrackers!! They've betrayed us. We need to take matters into our own hands. We can start by voting for Mike Huckabee as a true progressively conservative Republican.

huckabee = anticatholic = freemasonry

The US is nothing but one giant product of freemasonry, the biggest anticatholic cult and the cause of evil.
If you dont' believe me, take a look at the layout of washington, d.c. (perfect satanic star) or even the $1 bill. Still dont' believe me click here
http://www.watch.pair.com/mason.html

viva il papa

huckabee = anticatholic = freemasonry

The US is nothing but one giant product of freemasonry, the biggest anticatholic cult and the cause of evil.
If you dont' believe me, take a look at the layout of washington, d.c. (perfect satanic star) or even the $1 bill. Still dont' believe me click here
http://www.watch.pair.com/mason.html

viva il papa

I see massive defections from the Republican Party should either Huckabee or McCain get the nomination.
This evangelical will vote third party.

Mary Teresa:

I studied at Yale and Union Theological Seminary. No, no serious scholar believes that the bible is speaking about the same being when it references Lucifer and Satan.

Further the whole construction about Lucifer and Jesus being brothers is formulated and presented to make Mormons seem Luciferian (to be read as Satanic) to an evangelical audience. An entire industry of Kooks, Quacks, Rip Off Artists, Counter Cult Scam artists, and generally twisted charlatans, sell volumes of material claiming some spiritual threat from Mormonism, to an overwhelmingly evangelical audience.

Mormons have heard it all before. And the deplorable tactics of Mike Huckabee and his campaign have left many of them infuriated. They have been subject to these attacks for decades.

I suggest that we turn it around. Most Christians do not believe that the entire bible is the literal and inerrent word of God. Catholics do not, and neither do Mainline Protestsants. These two groups make up the vast majority of Christians in the world.

Such a minority view point should be examined carefully. It is not rational to believe that the entire bible is literally true, and that, for instance Adam and Eve were real people as Mike Huckabee believes. This is absurd. The story is clearly metaphorical. You have to suspend reason to believe they were real. Most Christian churches do not teach it as literal truth.

Further, Mike Huckabee believes that the book of Revelations contains literal truth and points toward, among other things, the Rapture. Again, a minority of a minority place any stock in this view. You need to question the wisdom of someone who falls pray to this thinking.

Do we really need someone with such irrational beliefes with his hand on the button.

And just so people don't try to claim evangelical activists have not been engaging in like argument, a number of attendees at the value voters summit said essentially the same thing on the record last year. For instance Janet L. Folger:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvhn43BmdWM

She says what they normally whisper.

Turn about is very fair play.

If you want to mix your religion with your politics than your religion is a fair target.

The Huckabee campaign should never have opened this can of worms.

"Mormons because needless to say there are not a lot of Mormons in Arkansas."

I'm uncertain that's true. I mean they don't have the percentages you see in the Rockies and Pacific, but my Mormon relatives are all on my father's side. My Dad is from Arkansas. I know of several Mormons down there.

Although looking it up Arkansas is just .4% LDS. That makes it more LDS than Michigan, but less so than Kansas. Arkansas borders Missouri though and Missouri is the home of many of the non-LDS Mormons. (Community of Christ, Temple Lot, etc.) Anyway if he has no experience with Mormons I'd find that slightly surprising.

On the other deal I think the person may have been trying to show how far people are willing to go to attack Huckabee. Trying to make him look like an Anti-Catholic bigot by associations and innuendos. Granted I think he is a bit of a religious bigot, but most everyone's a religious bigot about something. (How many here can claim to be totally unbiased about Scientology, Snake-handlers, the Unificationists/Moonies, and the Nation of Islam?) I don't know if he's hostile to Catholics, but he probably isn't. I think his bigotries are likely limited to smaller or newer religions like most folk.

Candace, why would you go to a secular college to study theology? You want a good solid foundation in theology, try a bible college. MOST serious bible scholars believe that lucifer and satan are the same being.

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