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Early 2007 All Over Again

13 Jan 2008 02:59 pm

After two uncomfortable days on race, the leading Democratic presidential candidates turned the set of issues that initially kicked of the cycle: judgment and Iraq.

On Meet the Press this morning, Clinton, for the first time, opened the lid:

What he was talking about was very directly about the story of Sen. Obama's campaign, being premised on a speech he gave in 2002 and that was to his credit. He gave a speech opposing the war in Iraq. He gave a very impassioned speech against it and consistently said that he was against the war, he would vote against the funding for the war. By 2003, that speech was off his website. By 2004, he was saying that he didn't really disagree with the way George Bush was conducting the war. And by 2005, 6, and 7, he was voting for $300 billion in funding for the war. The story of his campaign is really the story of that speech and his opposition to Iraq. I think it is fair to ask questions about, what did you do after the speech was over? And when he became a senator, he didn't go to the floor of the Senate to condemn the war in Iraq for 18 months. He didn't introduce legislation against the war in Iraq. He voted against timelines and deadlines initially. So I think it's important that we get the contrast and the comparisons out. I think that's fair game.

Clinton has no intention of persuading voters that Obama initially favored the war; the inconsistency itself isn't even the issue. What she's trying to do, as plain as day, is to puncture the defensive balloon that surrounds Obama's change message. Obama, she is really saying, isn't special: he's just like one of us. He tailors his rhetoric to match the political imperatives. The less special Obama becomes, the more vulnerable he comes to scrutiny by voters themselves.

I can't tell you how many voters in New Hampshire and Iowa would acknowledge that they might not know too much about Obama but were compelled to attend his events and support his candidacy because of the emotion he inspired in him.

The Clinton campaign directly criticizes Obama's movement at a huge risk: even Democrats who oppose his candidacy recognize that he's building something transcendent. (In this way, Bill Clinton's description of Obama's candidacy as a "fairy tale" sounded offensive even though Clinton was referring only to Obama's Iraq record. In the days ahead, Clinton will say nothing about Obama's inspirational story or about the movement that's sustaining his candidacy.

Obama, for his part, on a conference call with reporters later today, tried to stuff Clinton into the bottle he managed to create for Iowa:

...I have to say that she started this campaign saying that she wanted to make history and lately she has been spending a lot of time rewriting it. I know that in Washington it is acceptable to say or do anything it takes to get elected but I really don’t think that is the kind of politics that is good for our party and I don’t think it is good for our country and I think that the American people will reject it in this election. What I want to do is spend talking about how we are going to make sure that people who are losing their jobs get work. How are we going to make sure that our young people are going to afford college? How are we going to make sure that the sub-prime lending crisis does not lead to an all out recession? How are we going to create the kind of foreign policy that allows us to bring our troops home and makes us safer and goes after a genuine terrorist threat? Those are the issues that we are going to spend time talking about in this campaign and if Senator Clinton wants to be distracted by the sorts of political point scoring that was evident today then that is going to be her prerogative.


Both campaigns were ready for combat. Obama's press team sent out three rebuttal e-mails this morning and scheduled a conference call with key foreign policy hands. (The Clinton campaign responded with an afternoon conference call of its own.)

So Clinton and Obama are debating policy, rather than governing styles. Who do you suppose that benefits? (I don't really know...)

Comments (25)

I think this is a huge mistake by the Clintons. They are now putting the focus on Iraq (Obama's strength) rather than the economy (her strength). And I don't buy the notion that you attack an opponent's strength. You only do that if you have a winning argument. Hillary doesn't have one.

(In this way, Bill Clinton's description of Obama's candidacy as a "fairy tale" is about as offensive as it can get).
If Pres. Clinton had done that, you'd be right. But he didn't, so you're wrong.

Pres. Clinton described the media's fabrication of Obama's history on Iraq as a fairy tale, not Obama himself. Please stop lying about this, okay? Some of us saw the video of the comments in their entirety and no amount of spin, on your part or anyone else's, can change what Pres. Clinton actually said.

I think this is a huge mistake by the Clintons. They are now putting the focus on Iraq (Obama's strength) rather than the economy (her strength).

I'd agree, except for their actual voting records on Iraq are completely identical, and Obama's is a long ways away from what his campaign implies (and/or allows people to believe).

Any time the focus is on anything other than rhetoric and soaring speeches, Obama's in trouble.

Marc,

The Clintons are setting up Obama. Everything is planned for the Clintons. What Obama needs to do have a few people in his team who have the role of expecting Clinton dirty tricks. What a shame. Why does the democratic party act like GOP? Shame on the Clintons, but they will win. By divide and conquer; burning bridges now and then re-building again for the general.

Clintons cannot be stopped. HRC will not be denied.

justinb,

of course you're just following Clinton's misleading talking points there. While their voting records on Iraq after we went in are the same, the real issue is where they stood on whether or not to go into Iraq. Obama said he would have voted against the IWR. Clinton voted for it.

Anything that establishes that Obama can go toe to toe with Hillary on issues is a BIG plus for Obama at this stage. Clinton has already conceded that he's a better stylist - knows a how to play alot of inspirational contemporary music (poetry)but can he also do the lyrics (prose)? If the answer is yes. he wins.

Clinton focuses on economy Obama focuses on RACE!Obama Trinity United Church of Christ, an African-American mega-church unorthodox pastor Reverend Jeremiah Wright describing the September 11 attacks as a “wake-up call” to America for ignoring the concerns of “people of colour”, and for claiming that Americans “believe in white supremacy and black inferiority . . . more than we believe in God”. Wright travelled to meet Muammar Gadaffi, the Libyan leader, in the 1980s with Louis Farrakhan, the black supremacist leader of the Nation of Islam, and subscribes to the “Black Values System”, which preaches self-reliance but claims “middle-classness” is ensnaring blacks. Reverend Jeremiah Wright went to Tripoli to visit Colonel Gadaffi with Farrakhan., The arguement that Obama offers white voters a chance to free themselves from white guilt, is continuing to create a negative race issue..
Billionaire Clinton backer Bob Johnson, who founded Black Entertainment Television, said he’s “a little bit insulted, if you will, by Senator Obama letting his campaign imply that Hillary Clinton does not revere what Martin Luther King did for African Americans.”“I think that’s taking it way too far,” he said while campaigning with Clinton in South Carolina. “I think Barack understands clearly what the senator was saying.” “Nobody believes either Hillary Clinton or Bill Clinton would say anything that would denigrate either Barack Obama or Martin Luther King. And to me, what may happen is a backlash may occur when people see that Barack Obama is allowing his PR people to let out the notion that Hillary Clinton did not respect everything that Dr. Martin Luther King or any other person who faced the problems and the threats of being a part of the civil rights movement faced. ““And to me, Barack knows better than that.

Black girl who's leaving the democratic party. White liberals are more disgusting and more racist than their conservative brothers and sisters. At least white conservatices don't smile in your face before they lynch you.

Obama in an honorable man of the highest order and it pains me and breaks my heart that he is being slimed by two immoral power hungry phonies and their black henchmen like Bob Johnson and Rep. Tubbs-Jones.

I think both campaigns need to take a step back here and realize the damage their doing not to each other but to their voters. This campaign is getting very very nasty. We can not do this. Whoever wins has to represent the rest of democrats. We don't want all the nastiness to cause us to "hold our noses" and vote for whoever wins this nomination. These candidates must not destroy each other, and thereby weaken te democratic party, in order to win.

Lesley-

Only one campaign is doing this: the Clinton campaign. They're trying to blacken him up, marginalize him so he's not so appealing to white people. I don't think they're counting on the number of white people who find this tactic and them despicable.

"We don't want all the nastiness to cause us to "hold our noses" and vote for whoever wins this nomination."

Well, what did you expect to happen when Hillary decided to run? She may well be the choice of a majority of democrats for the nomination, but it was clear from the beginning that she's detested by large numbers of democrats and independents. These people will have to hold their noses if she's the nominee. No way to avoid that.

it benefits who ever is right on policy. And that just happens to be obama.

When you've got the right policy, and the right governing style, you don't have to be afraid debating either.

I found this comment on another website and posted it here because I think it is relevant - I found it helpful, and hope you do to…

Bill Clinton is perpetrating his own fairytale, in which he attempts to strip from Obama his rightful advantage as the only Democratic candidate who had both judgment and courage on the Iraq war from the beginning.

Obama's October 2002 speech against the resolution authorizing the use of force in Iraq has been well reported. Less well reported is that he followed up on that speech against the resolution with statements against the invasion itself, as it was nearing in March 2003.

First. On March 4, 2003, an Illinois newspaper, the Belleville News Democrat, reported this:

'Barack Obama is criticizing the idea of war against Iraq and challenging his Democratic opponents in the U.S. Senate race to take a stand on the question'.... "What’s tempting is to take the path of least resistance and keep quiet on the issue, knowing that maybe in two or three or six months, at least the fighting will be over and you can see how it plays itself out", said Obama, a state senator from Chicago.”

Second. On March 17, 2003, the Chicago Sun Times reported this:

“Thousands of demonstrators packed Daley Center Plaza for a two- hour rally Sunday [two days before Bush issued his ultimatum against Saddam], then marched through downtown in Chicago’s largest protest to date against an Iraq war. Crowd estimates from police and organizers ranged from 5,000 to 10,000.... State Sen. Barack Obama (D-Chicago) told the crowd, "It’s not too late to stop the war."

This is relevant for two reasons. First, it shows that Bill Clinton is deceiving the public when he tries to plant the idea that Obama equivocated about the war or was not against the war at all relevant times prior to its being launched by George W. Bush.

Second, it draws attention to Hillary Clinton's own contradictions on the war. From the beginning of her Presidential campaign, Senator Clinton has said that "If I had been president in 2003, I would never have started this war." See Feb. 11 Concord Monitor, 'Clinton Reintroduces Herself as Presidential Candidate.' But no one has asked her at any of the fifteen debates whether why, if she harbored objections to Bush's decision to pull the trigger on the war on March 18, 2003, she did not in the critical March 2003 period use her very prominent platform to speak out against the invasion and claim that it would be a misuse of the authority she voted to grant Bush.

If we credit Hillary's assertion that she had objections to Bush's decision to invade, and couple that assertion with the fact that Hillary did not voice those objections publicly, she is worse than someone who just happened to have bad judgment, she is someone who is claiming the mantle of the real leader and doer in this nomination campaign, and yet who was abjectly craven at the single most important moment of her Senate career.

So the real 'fairytale' is the one Bill Clinton is trying to propagate by attempting to strip from Obama his rightful advantage as the one who had both judgment and courage on the Iraq war.

Barack Obama proposes $75 billion stimulus plan
Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:10pm EST
By Adam Tanner

LAS VEGAS (Reuters) - Amid growing worries about a worsening of the U.S. economy, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama proposed a $75 billion economic stimulus plan on Sunday that includes worker tax credits, a one-time pension supplement and help to homeowners facing foreclosure.

The plan would include an immediate $250 tax credit for workers, which could double if the economy worsens, a one-time $250 supplement to Social Security payments, a $10 billion fund to help homeowners facing foreclosure and a $10 billion fund to assist states facing budget shortfalls amid lower tax revenues.

"We need that middle-class tax cut now more than ever -- not five months from now or five weeks from now, but now," Obama said in a statement. "I'm announcing a plan to jump-start the economy by putting money in the pockets of those who need it most and will spend it quickly."

If he won his party's nomination and then the November election, Obama would take office in January 2009.

The Illinois senator's office unveiled the proposals at the start of a day of campaigning in Nevada, which holds the next contested Democratic primary on Saturday.

The "goal would be to help the U.S. economy from going into recession," his economic advisor Austan Goolsbee told reporters.

Obama's leading rival, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, on Friday unveiled an economic stimulus package she said would be worth $70 billion. Her plan placed more of an emphasis on helping families unable to make mortgage payments -- a major issue in Nevada where "for sale" signs are common on homes around heavily populated Las Vegas.

"There are some similarities," Goolsbee said of the two plans. The biggest difference with Obama's plan is that "the absolutely most imperative thing is to get the money into the people's hands immediately so they can spent it."

"The stimulus does increase the deficit in the immediate term," the economic adviser said, adding that preventing a recession could have "profound" budget implications.

The Obama plan also includes a $10 billion extension of unemployment insurance to help those who have been unable to find a job for more than six months.

The foreclosure help plan would be aimed at "responsible homeowners" who live in their primary residences, Goolsbee said. Las Vegas has been hit hard by the subprime loan crisis, but many of those suffering bought additional houses hoping that fast rising prices amid a prosperous local economy would lead to easy money.

Last year, Obama proposed tax credits of up to $500 for 150 million workers. His revised economic plan calls for $250 of that to come in an immediate credit, and the rest as soon as three months later if the nation's unemployment rate worsens.

I think the biggest danger to Obama here is that Clinton is trying, and partially succeeding, at defining his campaign, and him.

"...story of Sen. Obama's campaign, being premised on a speech he gave in 2002..."

"The story of his campaign is really the story of that speech and his opposition to Iraq."

Those assertions are not true, but Obama and his strategists need to realize and rebut that attack.

Also: the repeated use of the word "story," as if his campaign is really just a great yarn, a fiction. Or, if you will, a fairy tale.

At first I was going to vote for HRC if she won the nom, then it was "if she's against anyone but McCain" and now I'd even vote for Huckabee over her. I KNOW I am not alone. And I have never voted for a Republican in my life.

Neither Clinton nor Obama have made any effort at all to stop the Iraq war. Not only have neither of them tried to stop it, they have both continuely voted to fund it. They ARE NOT ANTI-IRAQ WAR. If either one of them wins, the outcome will be the same as if McCain wins. They are all one in the same. Kucinich and Ron Paul are the only candidates that can and will get us out of Iraq, and stop the madness of upcoming wars with Iran, Pakistan and Syria. If you want to get out of war they are it. Perhaps you don't like the rest of their platforms but. . .bottom line. . .they will get us out of Iraq and Iran if we are in there by then. . .and we will be.

"I'm Hillary Clinton and I approved this mountain of misinformation"

"Any time the focus is on anything other than rhetoric and soaring speeches, Obama's in trouble."

Bring it on. A close examination of Clinton and Obama's records, accomplishments, and biographies side by side will be very troubling for the good senator from New York. Clinton has atttempted to claim 35 years of experience making change. Let's see her back up that claim. She's attempted to claim her husband's time in the White House as her own (well, at least the good parts, anyway). Let's see her back up that claim. I don't think she can.

“Hillary Clinton – A Lifetime of Walking the Walk.” Unfortunately political advisor Sidney Blumenthal wasn’t so lucky. At 12:30 am. Monday morning, one day before the New Hampshire state primary Nashua police observed Mr. Blumenthal’s rental car careen through Greeley Park at speeds in excess of 70-mph., in a 30-mph. zone, and apprehended Sidney. (Funny we didn't hear about it, in a quirk of irony maybe that’s why Hillary teared-up and won NH.) Sid failed to walk the walk – failed the field sobriety test, got arrested - handcuffed.

Kind of like Dee Dee Myers does every so often. Sidney Blumenthal, longtime friend and senior adviser to presidential candidate Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y. was intoxicated. Free the Chicago 7, free Bobby Seale; Attica, Attica, screamed Blumenthal, before being tossed into the slammer for four hours. Police offered to free Mr. Seale on condition that Mr. Blumenthal take the Breathalyzer, but in the absence of a sworn affidavit or even a pinky-swear on the part of police, Sidney declined the test, and was booked for Aggravated Driving While Intoxicated, DWI: http://theseedsof9-11.com

i reckon that hilary is very manipulative. America is a great country,and i think that voters need to understand the "jezebeL" approach. She is a lovely woman but i detest the foul spirit of jezebel

The Clintons are completely outclassed by Obama. Every word,every action makes that more clear and more clear to observers not caught up in the fracas the Clintons are causing. I am reminded of Patrick Fitzgerald's analogy of throwing sand in the umpire's face...voters being the umpire in this case. The Clintons are desperately trying to distract Democratic voters from sseeing Obama's preferable candidacy.

"I'm Hillary Clinton and I approved this campaign of racial innuendo"

Hillary Clinton - talks blue, but shits red.

Barack Obama TOOK A STAND against the IRAQ INVASION when it MATTERED.

Hillary Clinton PLAYED politics when it MATTERED.

Everything else is just BUNK !