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The Day In Politics: Democrats

16 Jan 2008 07:00 pm


** Obama accused Hillary Clinton of distributing a misleading flier about his Social Security plan, claiming that she, too, once put raising the cap on payroll taxes on the table. In a press conference, Clinton accused Obama of supporting a "trillion dollar increase on the middle class." The Clinton campaign later held a press conference about Obama's health care plan. Clinton's policy director, Neera Tanden, said that Obama's plan would leave "50,000" people uninsured in Nevada.

** Bill Clinton blew up at a Nevada television reporter who asked him about the lawsuit against at-large precincts drawn by the state Dems to benefit the culinary workers.

"Do you really believe that all the Democrats understood that they had agreed to give everybody who voted in a casino a vote worth five times as much as people who voted in their own precinct? Did you know that?" Mr. Clinton said in a testy exchange with a television reporter, Mark Matthews of KGO. "What happened is nobody understood what had happened. ... Now, everybody's saying, 'Oh they don't want us to vote.' What they really tried to do was to set up a deal where their votes counted five times, maybe even more."

** More than 1,500 supporters greeted John Edwards at an event in Reno. The campaign claims that turnout surpassed their expectations.

** The Edwards campaign also complained about media coverage, sending around a study showing that Edwards received a disproportionately small amount of news coverage and implied that the drought in media was responsible for his standing in the national polls.

** Obama's campaign manager telephoned Chris Cillizza and talked him off the Nevada ledge.

** Hillary Clinton's Hill Force One took off today for the first time. And Clinton played flight attendant, per CBS's Fernando Suarez. (Who wrote this for her?)

“In a few minutes I’m going to switch off the fasten seatbelt sign,” said Clinton. “However, I’ve learned lately that things can get awfully bumpy when you least expect it, so you might want to keep those seatbelts fastened. And, in the event of an unexpected drop in poll numbers, this plane will be diverted to New Hampshire. “If you look out to the right you will see an America saddled with tax cuts for the wealthy and a war without end. If you look out to the left you’ll see an America with a strong middle class at home and a strong reputation in the world.

Comments (17)

John Edwards is handing this nomination to Hillary Clinton. At what point does he step aside and give Obama. What has Mr. Change been promised by the Clintons to stay in the race? It wouldn't surprise me if the Clintons were actually funding Edwards' campaign.

Without Edwards, Hillary is toast.

Obama should be putting pressure on Edwards PUBLICLY to step aside if Edwards truly does want change. Turn up the heat on Edwards. Enough of his vanity.

Barack ain't man enough to get it done on his own?

Each debate and each policy initiative between these three candidates reveals one thing: John Edwards is the candidate most qualified and able to serve as the Democratic nominee.

Um actually Edwards is good for Obama in NV and SC if he throws his support behind Obama in the Feb 5 states.

We've had contests in two of the smallest states in the country, and people can't wait to "thin the herd". John Edwards doesn't owe it to anyone to "step aside", and calls to do so are nothing short of absurd. He's within shouting distance of winning the Nevada caucus (according to two separate polls) and I hope and pray he pulls it out. He's doing fantastic for a guy whose cash strapped and invisible to the mainstream media. Why does the press seem so desperate for a two person race?

Embarrassing performance by Bill Clinton in Oakland today. Reminds me of "you can't handle the truth."

And he is totally mischaracterizing the Strip caucus sites. They don't give disproportionate weight to casino workers. But then again he has shown no concern for the facts.

The Clintons and their DLC advisers are ridiculous.

BillB

Edwards: Yes - class warfare is such an appealing message.

The guy gets rich convincing sympathetic simpletons of the evils of those more powerful than them. And now, he runs for POTUS on the same message. What a disgrace. Making corporate America a scapegoat.

The idea that John Edwards would win a fight against corporate America is laughable. All he'd succeed in doing would be to chase businesses and jobs away from America. Brilliant plan.

The Las Vegas Sun rebuts Bill Clinton's fuzzy math about the caucus sites on the Strip:

Bill and the counting game
By David McGrath Schwartz · January 16, 2008 · 6:44 PM


President Bill Clinton today stepped up his attack on at-large caucus sites on the Las Vegas Strip, telling reporters in Oakland that people who caucus at those locations would have votes “worth five times as much as people who voted in their own precinct.”

Is that right? Yes, mathematically, it is possible. In fact, the imbalance could be worse.

But it is also mathematically possible – and more likely - - that a caucus-goer in regular precincts off the Strip would have their support count for more than those on the Strip.

The calculations are highly complicated and they all depend on turnout Saturday.

An example:

If 400 people show up at a Strip caucus site on Saturday, under Democratic Party math, those 400 people would get to choose a total of 80 delegates (the number of delegates for an at-large site depends on the size of the turnout at each site.) Under this example, each person’s vote would be worth one-fifth of a delegate.

Now let’s turn to any of the more than 1,700 regular, off-Strip precinct precinct caucuses around the state. The number of delegates for each precinct is determined not by the number of people who turn out on Saturday, but by the number of registered Democrats in that precinct. An example: If a precinct has 400 registered Democrats, under the party’s formula, that precinct’s caucus site would be eligible for eight delegates. If on caucus day, all 400 people show up, they still get to choose a total of eight delegates, which means each person’s vote would be worth one-fiftieth of a delegate, which is far less than the value of a vote on the Strip.

So that makes Clinton’s point. The caucus could give more weight to voters at the Strip sites—which means, largely, the Culinary.

But wait. What if just one person shows up to caucus at that regular precinct site in our example? That person gets to choose all eight delegates.

Who’s got the advantage now?

Karl Rove completely ignored John Edwards today because he knows he's the only candidate who can beat the GOP on election day. John Edwards is the only candidate whose been through a national election and survived unscathed. The people calling for John to step aside are completely fooling themselves. Obama doesn't have the experience to run the country, his policies are proof that he doesn't really want to change anything. He's willing to say whatever is necessary in order to win. Both Hillary and Obama have taken ideas and phrases from Edwards. I wish the insanity would end. Hopefully it will on Saturday when the good people of Nevada send a message to the rest of the country: It's okay to be brave, it's okay to reject the polls, and, above all, it's time for change and time for John Edwards to win the nomination and then the Presidency.

P.S. When John Edwards wins the MSM, The Economist and all the other corporate blow hards are going to look mighty stupid. It'll be the highlight of 08'.

BillB - Get serious for a moment. "What if....?". What if UFOs land and drop off clones of caucusers who are programmed to vote for Kucinich? What if the casinos experience a massive power shortage and all the Culinary Workers get stuck in elevators right at caucus time? What if a pack of wild dingos appear out of the desert and eat all the paper ballots? Stop feeding us crap.

You all really need to see the video and read the article that goes with it, by the guy who Clinton yelled at in the video. Oh yes:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Bill_in_Oakland.html

Bill has truly gone off the deep end. Understandable, of course, since it's his political legacy and wife at stake.

Possible solution: those both have a lot of importance, but he's been willing to ignore them in the past in the pursuit of a higher goal. I'm sure a nubile intern would be willing to take one for the team to shut him up.

Slick, does Ann Coulter write your stuff?

Class warfare? Sympathetic simpletons? Corporate America a scapegoat? Why I'm getting all choked up feeling sorry for United Healthcare and Citigroup right now. Poor corporate America. And, by the way, corporate America is doing a fine job of chasing jobs away on its own. Apparently they don't need any help from John Edwards. I do have to give you credit for hitting all the right-wing talking points, though.

John Edwards doesn't owe anything to Barack Obama. If Obama were to publicly call for Edwards to drop out, as you suggested, I can guarantee you most of Edwards votes would go to Hillary Clinton. I'll give Obama credit for being a lot smarter than some of his supporters.

Bill Clinton is getting to be an embarassment. I'd like to see him explain how setting up caucus sites on the Vegas Strip gives those who show up a vote "worth five times" the votes of others. Although they have denied any involvment, his outburst yesterday revealed who is behind the lawsuit and how they really feel about it. Anything to win, right Bill?

Pug - "I'm getting all choked up feeling sorry for United Healthcare..."
Right on. UnitedHealth is the Halliburton of healthcare, currently mired in the biggest financial scandal in the history of American healthcare. And both the GOP and Democratic Establishment have their fingerprints all over.
Friends of Bill and Hillary like Donna Shalala, Walter Mondale, and James Johnson have a lot of explaining to do - e.g., the back dating of stock options, etc..
HRC is going to reform healthcare? Take a close look at the UnitedHealth story, and think again.

Sorry Marc but Edwards is right and I don't consider it whining to point it out.

The NYT has a piece out today that contains a news Edwards video about the media coverage of him that is priceless. It sure is a funny video to be coming from what the media dubs as the "angry" candidate. LOL

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-few-late-words-wheres-edwards-flags-polls/

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