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The Debate: First Reactions

30 Jan 2008 09:34 pm

First reactions are almost always off, but we react, then we write. So here goes:

Romney ceded the debate to McCain at the beginning when he acknowledged that McCain’s record was that of a mainstream conservative, albeit with some caveats. Astonishing – the only way Romney will win on Feb 5 is if a groundswell of grassroots conservative opposition to McCain. Romney pointed out some apostasies, but he did not make a sustained argument that McCain was not sufficiently conservative.

There’s no question that Romney got in his talking points, but early on he did not extend them with energy or zest; he seemed resigned and somber; he matched McCain’s tone, rather than leading McCain into the wilderness of anger or confrontation. Romney never pressed McCain on McCain’s dodges, like on the Bush tax cuts. There was no follow through…nothing to cue the voters that they had just seen something important.

McCain seems to have spent virtually all his debate prep time on the economy. For the first time in a debate – and during the last, most important debate – he matched Romney on breadth of knowledge and exceeded him at projecting sympathy. He knew the buzz words , he knew the status of legislation, he talked ably about interplay between the foreign and domestic economies.

Yes, Romney got in a few zingers – the point about McCain and dirty tricks being one of them. But McCain’s rebuttal was effective, and in any event, McCain knows this subject like the back of his hand, and he’s able to argue circles around Romney, who tried to argue from a point of personal procedures. Also: the issue is so complex that the “right” answer wasn’t evident – certainly not to the average viewer.

Off to the spin room....

Comments (28)

McCain looked very subdued. His voice was low and looked weird. Was he given some drugs before the debate?

Romney win. McCain still seems weak on the economy, and his knocks against wallstreet and serving "for profit" and saying Romney took people's jobs away are not going to endear the wallsteet types to him. Plus, McCain's attacks and digs seemed really unpresidential and almost juvenile.

Hardly McCain arguing "circles" around ROmney.

Wow, I totally disagree. I thought Romney kicked McCain's tail all over the stage. Mostly because McCain looked just awful.

As a Dem, I'm no longer even remotely afraid of McCain in the GE, and am much more concerned about Romney.

McCain stuttered constantly, he was caught lying, and he sounded like a broken record with his slogans "foot soldier Reagan Revolution"... Terrible performance.

Please conservatives, DO nominate him!

Also what about that sarcastic smile that McCain had on his face everytime Romney started talking. McCain looked arrogant.

On the prsentation and knowledge of issues it was Romney who won the debate. If you only think about oratory skills it was Huck's night.

Marc, did we watch the same debate?

McCain screwed up big time. He was nasty. He took very cheap shots at Romney by saying that people got laid off in Romney's company.

McCain is awful and should not be president. Just plain bad. Breadth of knowledge? Are you serious?

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John McAmnesty is a Double Talker. He kept on refusing to answer about his immigration bill.

Have you seen a senator who refuses to supoort his own bill?

McAmesty is a fake conservative for sure.

I hope to be able to vote for Hillary Clinton in November but I have to say I am starting to like Romney more and more every time I see him. He is way smarter than McCain. Ron and Huck are not being taken seriously by republican voters and they should just drop out. Let McCain and Romney settle the issue between them.

I would never vote for McCain, he is just to old and I fear incompetent - just like Reagan.

Romney I would seriously consider if he were matched up against Obama, but not against Clinton. BHO is a rookie compared to either of them. With the grave issues facing our economy I would consider voting my pocketbook over my party if the matchup were Romney v. Obama.

McCain had that 'holier than thou' look on his face every second of that debate. He is a train-wreck for sure. He is going to doom the republican party if nominated.

We conservatives will need to come up with a third party candidate we can support. We should start thinking about either Thomson or Romney as third party candidate. Anyone agress with me?

Johnny looked like a very mean old man who brags about his experiences all the time.

How about that "for patriotism not profit" comment about his career. He also complained that Romney's business experience does not count because he had to lay off people.

Romney looked very uneven all night. Got in some great hits on McCain, but seemed out of it when he didn't go after him on some serious dodges and looked weak on his won record. Shrugged off $700 million in "fees" as nothing to worry about.

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I spent days and hours on the phone to defeat John McAmnesty and his shamnisty bill. I don't trust McAmnesty and will not vote for him. I support Romney and sure hope he can win. If not, I will vote for a demoncrat before John McAmnesty and then hope that in four years we will get a shot at another election. NO MCAMNESTY!!!

Once again McCain proves he is the typical arrogant "for profit" politician and a classless one at that. I'm tire of his holier than thou attitude about his military service and I'm tired of the guys we keep sending to DC. I'm done supporting the republican party until be decide character and values matter in the White House.

According to CNN's undecided republican dialers they loved Romney and hated McCain. According to CNN's Erika Hill the undecided dialers loved Romney and gave him scores in 80's consistently, while McCain's responses received scores in 20's and 30's.

The comments here are right on point.

Romney was the biggest winner and McCain was the biggest looser.

actually matt, as someone who knows nothing about the "fees" I found Romney's explanation perfectly reasonable.

Why should taxpayers cover the gap between the cost of taking out the oil tanks and the fee a homeowner pays?

Now, I don't know if you response was the reality, but it sounded good.

McCain would be an awful president, and he generally seems unpleasant and surly. When I think of Obama's positive attitude and outlook for the future vs McCain's continued war with the 70s, I think Obama would win by 10 points.

http://www.politicalinaction.com/2008/01/john-mccain-should-not-be-president.html

McCain was back to the typical war mongering speech looking for boogie men under every rock. He appears not to have a clue on the economy, but can give you a list of 20 names that might. The fact that around 800,000 people might loose there homes in foreclosures did not seem to fully sink in. The slug fest between Mitt and McCain was downright distracting and a total waste of good air time. The only candidate with any constructive ideas on how to get us out of the total mess we are in was Ron Paul, who was mostly ignored during the debate. He had focused comments on why our monetary and foreign policies are very soon going to sink the ship. This while the others discuss and offer minor tax cutting ideas amounting to a drop in the bucket. It is hard to imagine what a real debate might show!
Go Ron Paul 2008!

RE: Republican Debate January 30 2008 - Simi Valley, CA. - Reagan Library

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! Ron Paul is fighting for us. Now we have to fight for him! Anderson Cooper's conduct at tonight's debate is inexcusable! If CNN has any journalistic integrity at all; THEY MUST TAKE ACTION AGAINST ANDERSON COOPER! Anderson Cooper MUST BE FIRED!!! This cannot go unanswered. Our nation's media must be held accountable. The Soviet era "Pravda" would have been more fair!

ATTN: Paul Supporters, BOYCOTT MAINSTREAM NEWS NOW! DO NOT WATCH NETWORK or CABLE NEWS! Don't play their game! The BEST way to support Ron Paul, is a TOTAL boycott on Mainstream News Media until he wins. There isn't one mainstream media news source that we can turn to. We rule on the web, so make them fight on our turf. Besides, you aren't going to miss much anyways. Get your news media from google and youtube only!

It was disgusting to see the blatant manipulation of this so-called debate. The unfairness of the way questions were asked of the two "anointed ones", while Ron Paul and Huckabee were shunted off to the side and ignored was disgusting. I just lost any respect I had for CNN. Why don't they let all the candidates have equal time and then just let the voters choose who the winner is on election day? What a sham and a shame. Shame on you, CNN!

Huckabee and Paul were the only ones on that stage NOT slinging mud - behaving like gentlemen. And yet, they were given the least amount of time to speak. WHY? I am so tired of the media rigging these debates. I am no fan of Ron Paul, but he and Huckabee deserved the same relative amount of time to speak as McCain and Romney. I am livid!

Looks like Ambinder found a good stash of hallucenegenic drugs on his West Coast visit or was off sharing a crack pipe with some of John Edward's "people who live under the bridge we crossed" - because his description of the debate does not match any semblance of reality.

McCain knows this subject like the back of his hand, and he’s able to argue circles around Romney

Yeah, McCain the mental wizard taking Romney to school and exploiting his immense IQ advantage...

he matched Romney on breadth of knowledge and exceeded him at projecting sympathy

Yeah, the depth of John McCains knowledge was on display, and it would barely wet a sponge. As far as sympathy, the only sympathy I felt was for the people that have to work with that nasty stupid SOB, and for the Republican Party if that holier than thou "I'M A HERO! I SERVED! I SUFFERED!" fool deludes enough voters by wrapping himself in the flag to get the nomination.

The debate was another disaster for McCain, who has sucked in every debate and always has to go back to hiding behind his hero-hood. What is the last refuge of a scoundrel?

Now the Establishment is rallying to the Old Insiders, despite the superficial Obama endorsements and Romney outraising all other candidates with OUTSIDE contributions before his own money is factored in and running a superb campaign organization...

It is a shame that we are unlikely to get the two basically nice, gifted outsiders intent on changing things - Romney and Obama - as the nominees. What a pity. That would have been a contest that elevated the political discourse. The system favors the morally challenged Hillary! and the smarmy, dumb old man though. The Odds were always with the ones adept at demonizing or marginalizing their opposition and who had a quiver full of willing media journalist tools at their bidding.

"Also: the issue is so complex that the “right” answer wasn’t evident – certainly not to the average viewer"

I've read 300+ blogger messages after the debate, and I think the average bloggers are much smarter than those political pundits. How could that happen? The reason, I guess, is that those so called experts are so bias because of their own agenda. I think it's very clear to most of the viewers that the big loser tonight is McCain, who blatantly repeated his lie about Romney's position, took cheap shots at him, showed his arrogance with his condescending smirk whenever Romney spoke, and dodged most of the questions. I don't think he can get this far in the race without the help from the main stream media.

If you had the opportunity to hear the opinion of four different doctor's regarding an upcoming procedure would you be satisfied if you were only allowed to hear one, or two? If the consequences were serious I think most would want to hear, in detail, the thoughts of all four. And, what would your reaction be if the hospital (OK, let's stretch this analogy and say a bigger entity like CMS, formerly HCFA) prevented you from hearing all four opinions? Would you be upset? Even if you later found out that the third or fourth option wasn't the best solution you'd still be more satisfied because YOU were able to make an INFORMED DECISION.

Whether you agreed or disgreed with the opinions of Paul, Huckabee, McCain or Romney in last night's CNN debate all four deserved equal time and respect (and yes, the two most respectful candidates were treated most disrespectfully). In the rules of debate does the invitation to the event equate to balance in the discussion?

As an American you should EXPECT the media to report the news, not sway public opinion. You should wonder what are their motivations for allowing free flow of certain candidate's messages while essentially ignoring another.

Letters to these major media outlets are encouraged but actions speak louder than words. Tune out! The sponsors (advertisers) pay the network's bills and are most certainly influenced by low ratings and diminished circulation.

The reason John McCain will likely be our next President is that one, he has proven to be a person unwilling to roll and go along with his own Republican colleagues on many issues that he had conviction about and thus he will likely be more successful at bringing Dems and Repubs together than Obama or Hillary and polls reflect this likelihood. Obama will not bring key Repubs to the table since Obama has not earned his wings on the hill yet and powerbrokers on the hill dont respect him. Indeed, Obama has waxed eloquent about the word change over and over and over yet does not really say anything about what should be done in the future as that would expose his extremely liberal voting record. Ms Clinton is seen as self serving and a spokeman for ex-Pres Bill. The extreme disdain Bill and Hill have been showing for Obama leads many to believe that this is all about living in the White House again and having power, not efficacy on every day folk's way of life. It is more likely that McCain would bring blue and red together in the way that Obama's hero Ronald Reagan did than Obama or Hillary would..........it's really that simple.

"It is a shame that we are unlikely to get the two basically nice, gifted outsiders intent on changing things - Romney and Obama - as the nominees. What a pity. That would have been a contest that elevated the political discourse. The system favors the morally challenged Hillary! and the smarmy, dumb old man though. The Odds were always with the ones adept at demonizing or marginalizing their opposition and who had a quiver full of willing media journalist tools at their bidding."

This is brilliant! I was looking forward to a Romney/Obama match up as well. Both men represent change (from different sides) but I think they are both class acts. Both have wonderful families and are very well spoken. It would've been a pleasure to see that match up.

McCain is not my guy. I just don't like him and I can't support him.

"It is a shame that we are unlikely to get the two basically nice, gifted outsiders intent on changing things - Romney and Obama - as the nominees. What a pity. That would have been a contest that elevated the political discourse. The system favors the morally challenged Hillary! and the smarmy, dumb old man though. The Odds were always with the ones adept at demonizing or marginalizing their opposition and who had a quiver full of willing media journalist tools at their bidding."

This is brilliant! I was looking forward to a Romney/Obama match up as well. Both men represent change (from different sides) but I think they are both class acts. Both have wonderful families and are very well spoken. It would've been a pleasure to see that match up.

McCain is not my guy. I just don't like him and I can't support him.

The good news is that CNN really showed the world who they are and how they operate. I don't know what Anderson Cooper studied in college for a profession but I don't think it was journalism. What a disgrace. His performance takes more credibility away from CNN's very dubious broadcasting. Every time CNN hosts an event like this it weakens them. It showcases themselves to mainstream America as being totally bias and inexcusably manipulative and vested financially in certain candidates but not in others. So Ron Paul wins, McCain and Romney act like Jr. High school boys and Huckabee shows that he has the intelligence level of our current president. Which obviously isn't quite up to speed for the task of running the country. Running a state filled with ponds filled with pig-shit. . .well ok, but the whole country. . .I don't think so.

As a professional, I was embarrassed by Romney and McCain! They behaved exceedingly poorly. I was much impressed by Huckabee. He appeared to be the most sane person on the stage. Too bad the media doesn't care for intelligent, gentlepeople any more!