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First Take: The Debate Belongs To Obama, But The Best (And) Last Moment Belongs To Hillary

21 Feb 2008 09:52 pm

Talk about a final answer.

"She was blessed" to "give others the same opportunities that I take for granted. That's why I get up in the morning. That's what motivates me for this campaign. No matter what happens in this contest, and I am honored to be here with Barack Obama... whatever happens, we're going to be fine. I just hope that we'll be able to say the same thing about the American people."

Almost wistful ... acknowledging reality... but forcefully asserting her humanity ... extremely, seemingly, genuine.

And at the right time... at the end... earning one of the only standing ovations in the 40-plus hours of debates.

If this moment makes the debate for her, she will have pulled out in the end.

It was Obama's debate for most of the night. HRC needed him to stumble; he did not.

Both Obama and Clinton were under the weather, and they seemed subdued. Some new ground was broken. Clinton promised to sign a pathway to legalization for immigrants within 100 days of her inauguration, which goes farther than what she’s said before. That may make news in Texas. Both had strong answers on Cuba, but hers was better than his in terms of the general election.

At this stage, though, the debates are mostly about moments, and Obama had the second-best I think, when he rebutted Clinton’s assertion that Democrats needed to “get real” about his candidacy.

Obama’s answers were well plotted -- a veggies-to-desert pivot, first recounting empathetic encounters with hurting citizens and then saying that Washington as currently constituted couldn’t solve that problem.

Clinton’s reference to looking at YouTubes of Obama’s allegedly lifted speeches seemed a little forced. She was loudly booed when she defended her campaign’s plagiarism allegations and let go with a line that seemed far too cute for the moment.

Clinton gave strong answers on health care and on local issues, and regularly referred to local issues. She had a strong response to questions about John McCain and earmarking late in the debate. Her final answer was humble and endearing. She ended stronger than she started.

The puzzler of the night, to me, is why Clinton refused to answer a simple question that she clearly has an answer to: And that is: Is Barack Obama ready to be commander in chief? Clearly -- the answer, for Clinton, is “yes.” It’s her best argument against him. But twice she avoided it and instead recapitulated her own resume.

At this point, she has nothing to lose by making that argument. The fact that she did not suggests to me that she is thinking, already, about life as a Senator from New York supporting Barack Obama and did not want to give John McCain the soundbite that could doom Obama’s candidacy. I don’t think she’s conceded the nomination in her mind, but I do think she had two temporal audiences in mind when she answered: Democrats now and the nation in the fall.

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Talk about lifting lines. Wasn't the "we are going to be fine" line something Edwards said??

Marc: What do you think about Hillary's final answer?

Is Barack Obama ready to be commander in chief? Clearly -- the answer, for Clinton, is “yes.” It’s her best argument against him.

Maybe she's as confused as you are.

I remember Bill Clinton used that line about the knocks he took are nothing compared to what the American people have taken. She used the same line!

Plagiarist!

The last comment by Hilary sounded pretty much like John Edwards' pitch few weeks ago - At the end of the campaign, Elizabeth and I will be fine. But will America be fine? Doesn't that count as plagiarism? Just wondring.

The last comment by Hilary sounded pretty much like John Edwards' pitch few weeks ago - At the end of the campaign, Elizabeth and I will be fine. But will America be fine? Doesn't that count as plagiarism? Just wondering.

Heh, talk about the power of preconceptions -- my wife and I were sort of aghast at Hillary's final answer. It seems extraordinarily stilted and unnatural, and very much underlined why we've both moved away from her as a candidate over the last couple of months.

Also, uh, Marc ... the standing ovation was because it was the previously designated final answer of the debate. So, uh, no great surprise there. Besides, I heard the hosts refer to at least two other standing O's, so I'm not completely sure which debate you were watching.

The feeling I got from this debate is that HIllary's heart wasn't really in it. For a lot of the debate, it seemed like she wasn't even trying. I was surprised she did not attack him more forcefully.

It's also strange that she had most the meanest moment (xerox) and the most sympathy-generating moment (the end).

She basically looked like someone who has lost and kind of knows that she has lost.

Even I, a harsh critic of hers, felt a little sympathy for her tonight. But I don't think this type of sympathy translates into some sort of electoral surge for her. What I hope, kind of her her own sake but also for the party's, is that she does not drag this out and exits with some dignity intact.

Was I watching the same debate? I thought the standing ovation was for both candidates as it came at the end of the debate....??!?

Can someone dig up that Bill Clinton line?

Let's not forget, aside from the Edwards and '92 Clinton grifts, Sen. Clinton began that last answer by asking herself the New Hampshire diner question ("How do you do it?")...just in case we all missed the point.

I don't want to step on the Senator's valedictory moment, but all this talk of "letting her guard down" and "the true Hillary Clinton" would resonate more if we hadn't seen it play out so similarly before.

did not want to give John McCain the soundbite that could doom Obama’s candidacy

I mean, assuming she has it. Seems like a stretch.

Also, I think Kevin nailed it with this:

I don't want to step on the Senator's valedictory moment, but all this talk of "letting her guard down" and "the true Hillary Clinton" would resonate more if we hadn't seen it play out so similarly before.

The puzzler of the night, to me, is why Clinton refused to answer a simple question that she clearly has an answer to: And that is: Is Barack Obama ready to be commander in chief? Clearly -- the answer, for Clinton, is “yes.” It’s her best argument against him.

Sorry, do you mean "the answer is 'no'"?

Because using the tragedies of a war that you helped authorize and start to minimize scandals of your own making is presidential.

It is pure shamelessness, and just because she realized that it is over, doesn't mean she should be credited. They ran an awful campaign and deserve to lose.

Plagiarism is plagiarism, no doubt about that, the bottomline is who has the momentum right now. Bill was young and charming in 1992, so is Barack smart and ready to lead NOW.

Plagiarism is plagiarism, no doubt about that, the bottomline is who has the momentum right now. Bill was young and charming in 1992, so is Barack smart and ready to lead NOW.

Plagiarism is plagiarism, no doubt about that, the bottomline is who has the momentum right now. Bill was young and charming in 1992, so is Barack smart and ready to lead NOW.

Plagiarism is plagiarism, no doubt about that, the bottomline is who has the momentum right now. Bill was young and charming in 1992, so is Barack smart and ready to lead NOW.

Good commentary, I think. and Yeah, this was a goof...and one that would pass spell check:

Is Barack Obama ready to be commander in chief? Clearly -- the answer, for Clinton, is “yes.” It’s her best argument against him.

the author meant to use the word "no"... but given that this was written all of twenty minutes after the debate was over....not bad (in fact, good).


I think Sunny just plagiarized him or herself.

It's unbelievable that she is getting credit for an "unscripted genunine" moment that was anything, but! It was almost verbatim of Edwards' closing remarks at a previous debate!

I didn't care for Hillary's closing moment at all. It was a rerun of the New Hampshire "moment" sans tear. And I hated the New Hampshire moment. She running for president for god's sake.

The best part was her segue into the part where she assured her supporters that she had a lot of support and would be okay and finally said something nice about Obama.

She has run an expensive, arrogant, mean and often dumb campaign. She was no more conversant in policy this evening than Obama. She often nodded along in agreement with what he was saying. Where Obama disagreed with her, he was able to explain very clearly why.

I thought he did a great job. And I thought she demonstrated that she is prepared to lose gracefully.

.....one final comment (for me) is that ultimately nothing was new... it was the same old blah...(and a tad bit boring)...but the up-shot is, nothing new: then Barack Obama is the next Democratic nominee.
Hillary is a competent, if corrupt, and has had the misfortune to be running against a super-star (ala the Beatles)(20,000 cheering fans in Idaho, in Dallas, in Houston..,etc.).

Yeah, she can carry a tune, etc.... but in what will really carry this election, the perception of momentum; the "American-Idol" perception...Barack is the Rolling Stones, and Hillary is just another coffee house folk singer...

(Rightly, or wrongly): It's over(as McCain will soon find out).

Barack Obama is our next President.

I found the way Hillary built her close on her heart-wrenching anecdote about the wounded Iraq war vets to be grotesque. She voted to authorize that war--putting these very people at risk in order to seem strong on defense. Now she is moved by their tragedy. Better she had considered their fates before she voted for this ill-conceived war.

OMG Lisa. Were you actually old enough to remember what happened on 9/11 and shortly there after. The country was mislead and manipulated by GW into believing that Iraq had something significant to do with what happened 9/11 and that the only solution was to go to war in order to prevent anything more from happening to us. Hillary, like so many others, in the US senate believed all of the misinfo that came out and voted accordingly..that's all. She did not just vote yes so she could watch American soldiers die then plan on using their death in the future for her campaign...

Marc, I think you hit it dead on. Barack owned the night but the last seemingly genuine answer did capture the audience's attention.

I strongly feel that the last question was prepared ahead of time and she may have been aware of it. This is because in every debate with CNN and the post-debate coverage, there is a small but noticeable pro-Clinton bias.

Marc, you give Hillary too much credit for her last statement. How can she spend precious debate minutes in attacking Obama's xeroxed speech, and then lift John Edwards' lines?

The most bizarre/funny moment of the debate for me was when Hillary was defending her strategy to handle the sub-prime crises,she said...

“When I said we should put a moratorium on home foreclosures, basically your response was, well, that wouldn't work. And, you know, in the last week, even President Bush has said we have to do something like that.”

Given how much she has trashed President Bush's actions and policies, I’m not sure having Bush agree with her is a good thing.

Politics is all about the RIGHT MOMENT
Why Hillary voted for war- that is not the point. Her voting for war is not turning out to be RIGHT today...and Obama NOT voting for war is turning out to be RIGHT today...again POLITICS is all about the RIGHT Moment..and he has the MOMENT...

ANY vote for war is a vote to watch American soldiers die.

And true Washington politiicans ALWAYS use their deaths to further their campaings.

ANY vote for war is a vote to watch American soldiers die.

And true Washington politiicans ALWAYS use their deaths to further their campaings.

ANY vote for war is a vote to watch American soldiers die.

And true Washington politiicans ALWAYS use their deaths to further their campaings.

I criticized Edwards for that line which he repeated over and over again during the campaign. It's a line that only an elitist would make, because the American people, people who work for a living, don't want to hear about how fine you're going to be regardless of who becomes president. I couldn't believe that no one in Edwards camp clued him in to how out of touch such a statement was.

It's amazing that Hillary would poach this losing line, but I guess that's been the story of the whole Clinton campaign, ready to lose on day one.

Good points made within the debates! From each point, who had the opportunity to respond to them first (unless it was agreed upon with a coin toss, etc.)? The person who responds afterward now has the opportunity to listen and then add their own personal view, including personal stories to engage the audience/location. To be fair, the questions should have been given to both Senator Obama initially as well as Senator Clinton. Senator Clinton is no longer the frontrunner, therefore Senator Obama should now be targeted and treated as one where the questions are asked to HIM first. But....

...we saw what occurred when Senator Clinton was finally permitted to respond AFTER Senator Obama during the final question for the evening. Thank you again for all the comments!

I cringe whenever I hear Hillary Clinton talk about being the champion of the middle class. She has more money than just about 99 % of the American pop and she wants to tell us she understands what it is like to not have enough? Sometimes, I think, does this woman really listen to herself? Does she know what the words honest, or genuine, even mean? Do they register! I really do believe she can make a difference and maybe in her heart she wants to...but she loses all credibility by pretending she is something she is not. There's two sides to this woman and I think she really is a divided person that I don't want running the country, at all.

Just wait until November and see what happens.
By the way, I watched American Idol instead of the debate.

Just wait until November and see what happens.
By the way, I watched American Idol instead of the debate.

After Hilary's attack on Obama's "plagiarism" She uses another candidates closing from the very same primary season. The AUDACITY is rather stunning? Did her campaign think this would not be noticed?

Here are the three places John Edwards using these words first
John Edwards Closing debate in Dec 2007
To remember that in the midst of political hoopla the glorification of politicians and presidential candidates that somewhere in America tonight a child will go to bed hungry, somewhere in America tonight a family will have to go to the emergency room and beg for health care for a sick child, that somewhere in America today a father who's worked for 30 or 40 years to support his family will lose his job, and that that's what's at stake in this election. What's not at stake are any of us. All of us are going to be just fine no matter what happens in this election. But what's at stake is whether America is going to be fine.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200771213047


2.. On Oct. 30 at a debate in Philadelphia, former Sen. John Edwards said:

This is not about lobbyists. As a matter of fact, it's not about any of us. The truth is, when this election is over, I'm going to be fine. Senator Clinton is going to be fine. Senator Obama's going to be fine. The question is: Will America be fine? And will we ensure -- and I think this is the great moral test of our generation -- will we ensure that our children have a better life than we have had? That's the responsibility we have.

3. On January 30 2008 Edwards Speech

I want to say this to everyone: with Elizabeth, with my family, with my friends, with all of you and all of your support, this son of a millworker's gonna be just fine. Our job now is to make certain that America will be fine

http://www.johnedwards.com/news/press-releases/20080130/

It has always struck me as so ironic that the 02 Iraq vote, which she clearly did so out of political cover, is the one issue that Obama can, correctly, call her on; anyway, she voted for that to look tough - and now it's making her look stupid. But that was six years ago...

With the economy going down the tubes, the war isn't so much an issue anymore, is it?


The debaters are both democrats and as democrats they have the same philosophical bent. Any wonder why they have very few differences. As Obama has always said, the main difference is ability to bring people together to solve the national questions. The other is judgement. Both arguments are mutually exclusive.

It's a shame that Clinton's best answer of the night was "Xeroxed" from Edwards

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zAYItnI-lPo

It looked like Obama really wanted to respond to Hillary's last saga of the night, but I think the crowd stole the opportunity from him with the standing ovation. No more time.

I hope that any veterans watching tonight will remember how the veterans from Gulf War I were treated (not treated actually) for Gulf War Syndrome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_syndrome

The thousands of brave young men and women who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan deserve a President who will stand up for them by making sure they get the help they need as they return home. May God bless them all.

Hey Prince..he did have a chance to not vote for the war. HE WASN'T EVEN A SENATOR!! HE DID NOT VOTE! He gave a speech..period. He's too green to have even been there. But you of the cult of Obama can't seem to get that straight.

HIllary '08 now McCain '08!!

i agree with a few of the earlier posts that final standing O was clearly done as a tip of the cap to both of the candidates as it came following not only the pre-designated final question but also after a handshake that was clearly a moment of resolution to what the audience had been sitting through for 2 hrs.

The debate belonged to Obama? Yeah right, it wasn't even close. Barack Obama congratulates himself on living a rather obvious and privileged life, as a "minority." He makes it seem that his life story is somehow special and gives him the qualifications to become commander and chief. I am a minority, was abandoned by my father, ect.....too, but I know I would be an awful executive.

Somehow his life experience can replace qualifications. He has not shown good judgment, and every time he makes a mistake, which he admits he makes frequently, I cringe because he comes just that much closer to becoming a "bonehead." And let's get this straight, he allowed his associate Rezko to run a slum in his congressional district when he was the state senator of Illinois. Watch this video if you don’t believe me.

http://obamawho.wordpress.com/2008/02/17/hey-obama-and-rezko-march-3rd-is-coming/

Is anyone aware that he last line about how her plight is nothing compared to the lives of others is nothing more than PLAGIARISM from none other than....Bill Clinton's '92 campaign. This would all be funny if it weren't so pathetic and predictable.

Politicians using each other's lines is common and really doesn't rise to the level of plagiarism. However, hypocrisy is hypocrisy and the Clintons are as guilty as ever of that charge.

No wonder the voters this year are rejecting her and opting for the more talented and classy choice of Obama.

The great news for the country is that Obama still hasn't been put to a true test and will continue to believe that he is the next Messiah. Once HRC is out of the picture, Obama will stumble as it will become crystal clear he has no substance and does not know what he is actually going to do (except "change something" at "some time" in "some way"). For example, he is starting to flap in the wind as to when he will pull troops out of Iraq. He is now dribbling "well, maybe I'll meet with political leaders, maybe I'll discuss this with military leaders, maybe I'll assess the situation in Iraq, maybe I'll just guess or maybe I'll just figure out that I have no clue what to do in Iraq."

With regard to the plagiarism question posed -
My most favorite line of the debate tonight came from Senator Obama's response "...Now Hillary ...this is where we start getting into silly season, in politics."
John Stewart is still laughing with glee at the new material he was just handed no doubt being adapted as we speak. Images of Monty Python's John Cleese come to mind as well doing the infamous "Ministry of Silly Walks."

Perhaps Hillary & Bill too - if he's not too busy - might be willing to head up a "Silly Season Summit" political coalition. First item on the agenda: mandating "SillySpeak" as a first language.

Second favorite line was at the end: "no matter what happens, I am honored to be here with Barack Obama... I just hope it is enough for the American people."

Turns out hope really is a tangible asset.
Joanie in New Hampshire

I am neither democrat nor republican, I am a radical independent. I will be voting for McCain.

Hillary needed to turn the race towrds her advantage tonight. If that is possible.

She did not do this. She also did not even stay even... she seems to have managed to make things worse for herself.

She is broke, Bill has been sent into exile, and the polls in Texas are tightening up.

She is toast.

Another "genius" move by the Clinton machine. They have their journalistic allies release the McCain smear story the day before the Texas debate. Then Hillary Clinton does pretty well, especially on the national security-commander in chief issue. And it's overshadowed entirely by the McCain story. What did Bob Dylan say, "it's all over now, Baby Blue". And maybe it is.

The founding fathers put together a system to safeguard us from our leaders. Given the choices we have, never have I felt more in debt to them than I do now.

Hillary was not "loudly booed". The Obamabots were heard to register their usual disgust at anyone who punctures a hole in their Messiah - but nothing more. The line had teeth and will resonate.

Whats more important is that contra Jeffrey Toobin, the most obnoxiously moronic talking head in the history of the medium, the xerox statement didn't bomb - as evidenced by the CNN "undecideds" dial line. When she delivered "xerox", the line went back down to 50, but did not go under 50.

"Xerox" was carried on all three local news channels in my media market - and I'm in Ohio.
Obama is an empty suit, and working class people aren't down for a tin-type Bush with better vocabulary. nObama!

Hillary was not "loudly booed". The Obamabots were heard to register their usual disgust at anyone who punctures a hole in their Messiah - but nothing more. The line had teeth and will resonate.

Whats more important is that contra Jeffrey Toobin, the most obnoxiously moronic talking head in the history of the medium, the xerox statement didn't bomb - as evidenced by the CNN "undecideds" dial line. When she delivered "xerox", the line went back down to 50, but did not go under 50.

"Xerox" was carried on all three local news channels in my media market - and I'm in Ohio.
Obama is an empty suit, and working class people aren't down for a tin-type Bush with better vocabulary. nObama!

Read the rest of the origin of Hillary's Grand Finale this evening at the posting titled Hello Pot! It's Hillary Clinton's Kettle Calling!! at Danieldrezner.com/blog

THIS DEBATE DIDN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO HELP HER CASE. HILLARY CLINTON KNOWS THAT SHE IS ON HER LAST LEG AND DECIDED TO EXIT THE RACE RATHER GRATEFULLY... SHE CANNOT CONNECT WITH VOTERS AND HER VOICE ALONE IS ANNOYING AS I DON'T KNOW WHAT, NOTHING PERSONAL.
PLUS ALL HILLARY DOES IS MAKE EXCUSES....
EXCUSES, EXCUSES....EXCUSES... AND THAT'S WHY SHE KEEPS LOOSING AND CAN'T CONNECT...!!! AT FIRST HER CAMP STATED WELL... SHE DIDN'T REALLY COMPETE IN IOWA THAT'S WHY SHE FINISHED 3RD; THEN... PART OF THE STRATEGY WAS TO LET HIM (OBAMA) WIN SC BECAUSE HE IS BLK SO WE CAN GET THE BLK PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR HER IN THE GENERAL ELECTION; THEN... WELL, SHE WON ONLY 8 OUT OF 22 STATES ON SUPER TUESDAY BUT SHE WON MOST OF THE BIG STATES, THE ONES THAT MATTER; THEN, WELL... SHE DOESN'T DO WELL IN CAUCUS STATES; THEN, WELL... THE DEMOGRAPHIC OF THOSE STATES FAVORED BARACK BECAUSE OF BLACKS AND UPPER CLASS INCOME; THEN, WELL... WE KNEW THAT SHE WASN'T GOING TO WIN THOSE STATES, THAT IS STILL PART OF THE STRATEGY; AND NOW THAT SHE LOST WISCONSIN, WELL,,, WISCONSIN WASN'T A FAIR TEST BECAUSE A NEW CAMPAIGN MANAGER HAD JUST TAKEN OVER AND ONLY HAD ONE WEEK TO PREPARE.
UHhh!! I WONDER WHAT THE EXCUSE IS GOING TO BE WHEN SHE LOOSES TEXAS... WELL... SHE LOST BECAUSE ALL THE LATINOS IN TEXAS SUDDENLY DECIDED TO GO BACK TO MEXICO SO THEY COULDN'T CAST THEIR VOTE !!!
HILLARY TALKS ABOUT GETTING REAL, WELL... GET REAL HILLARY, YOU LOST 2 WEEKS AGO!!!
I HAVE A SUGGESTION FOR YOU...GO HOME, GET A MAKE OVER, DIVORCE BILL, HOOK UP WITH HIS BEST FRIEND, TAKE ALL HIS MONEY, QUIT YOUR JOB, GO TO AN ISLAND, AND WRITE A BOOK ABOUT IT SO THAT IT CAN BE #1 ON THE OPRAH BOOK CLUB!!!

Hola. Mi nombre es Fernando. I don't speak English well but I try. I thinks that Hillary Clinton one the debate this night. She is clearly better than Obama. He look scared. Quiero que Hillary gane. Clinton has experence. Obama even admit that he used drogas. This is not good. The Latinos of Texas support her because we Latinos believe in America. We Latinos must be togethre and be with Hillary. Good times Hillary!

Hillary's worst moment of the night, in my opinion, came after the Xerox comment when she was talking about foreclosures. This is from CNN's Transcript. (

Clinton) "When I said we should put a moratorium on home foreclosures, basically your response was, well, that wouldn't work. And, you know, in the last week, even President Bush has said we have to do something like that."

Clear as day.

If President Bush agrees with it, it must be good! This is Clinton as our potential leader? Sounds more like a follower to me... Sounds very familiar to the vote on Iraq. Sorry Hillary, but my vote just switched to Obama.

Proud of Barack tonight. Enjoyed how he deftly handled attempted slams by both Hillary and decade-long Clinton loyalist Campbell Brown, and at those moments it was even more apparent how he commanded the room, audience and "journalists" alike. More importantly than being proud of Barack, now that it's looking more and more like the parties are going to have enough brains to nominate him and John McCain, I am even prouder to be an American.

I missed the foreclosures comment, but it seems to me that the clear implication is, "This idea is so obviously a good one, even a dunce like the president can see that."

I can see how other interpretations are possible, however.

How long until Obama declares that he is more "Popular than Jesus"?!?. When he isn't preaching, he's a decidedly Ordinary candidate. Hillary For President!!!

I support Hillary Clinton for President of the United States of America. She's has so much experience. She is clever, and she is smart. And I just can't get over her experience. Golly! Senator Obama simply looks inferior next to her. It's really sad. I had so much hope for him. Did you all notice the standing ovation she got at the end? That's because this country loves her. Obama needs to go back to Washington and represent Illinois in the Senate. He's clearly not ready for the presidency. If Obama were to lead, America would become and even darker place than it is under President Bush.

Obama isn't a god.

Silvio - You seem fake...I and millions of Americans watched the debate tonight. It would appear that Obama answered all questions regarding his plans for the economy, Iraq, and illegal aliens etc. I am ready to vote for Obama. His answers were just what I was looking for...inclusion not exclusion.

Team Clinton is now running scared.It will seem in the next one week that she has conceded by talking the way she did in the final moment.It was like eulogisng the end of her campaign especially when Obama turned to offer her a handshake.That is not good in politics.Team Obama will be taking advantage of this in their paid advertisements,and people will listen to it.
With all that experience,she did not produce a knock-out but instead was well marched by her Obama.
Things are no longer running the way they were supposed to.

I don't get why he doesn't use this response to the commander-in-chief question -- "I have had more experience with military, diplomatic and international issues than did Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush when they came into office."

People keep clammoring about HRC's experience. Being the first lady and traveling with your husband to foreign countries does not qualify.

GO OBAMA 08

The reason Hillary never directly answered when asked if Obama is ready to be commander-in-chief is because 1.) she knows he actually is (she's seen what he's accomplished in the Senate) and 2.) if she lies and says "no," the line is going to end up in a McCain ad in the general election. She doesn't want to go there...she has a future in the Democratic party (with Obama as its potential leader).

Marc,

The standing ovation was for both candidates at the end of the debate. It wasn't specifically for Hillary Clinton.

Pitiful. Belittle your opponent - Change you can zerox - and then steal Edwards speech. What hubris this woman has. She must think the American people are not paying any attention or have no memory. We do remember that she did not vote against the Bankruptcy Bill in 2005. I am not sure how that was fighting for people with bills piling up on the table that are keeping them up at night. Barack Obama voted against it. Check out his speech on the Senate floor against the bill
http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r109:1:./temp/~r1096HV9T8:e111368:

I think that Silly Season comment will resonate as the catch phrase to this election.

They both looked good. Clinton had the worst and best moments. But as a whole it looks like Obama will be the winner of the election. Clinton needed the knockout and that was clearly not there.

How about Obama/Richarson 2008

Bring on McCain and his 100 year war.

Barack HUSSEIN Obama lost. Need I say more? Well, I will. Senator Barack HUSSEIN Obama lost. That's it. He's finished. Hillary was much more articulate. She was incredibly witty. I couldn't stop cheering. She has so much experience. She will be ready on day one. Barack Obama will never be as good as Hillary. He needs to keep quiet and allow her to do what she was destined to do. Maybe he'll be ready some day but not soon. He's superficial. Maybe he speaks well, but big deal. He doesn't know anything, and I'm sick of people cheering him on. His supporters act like they're in a cult. Why? Because they spout out meaningless slogans over and over and over. In any case, support Hillary! She's got experience and solutions. She'll be ready on day one.

Hillary's problem was very clear today. Her plaiagarsim charges and her moving last comment show her internal inconsistency and struggles. She was, I thought, graceful in her concession speech --- I am honored to be here with Barack.

Opps that would be Obama/Richardson

Does anyone want to buy 100,000 bumper stickers?

The problem with her final answer is that "opportunity" is not hers or the Presidents to "give". What sets the United States apart from most other nations is precisely that government here is not allowed that kind of power.

Robert in D.C.

The problem with her final answer is that "opportunity" is not hers or the Presidents to "give". What sets the United States apart from most other nations is precisely that government here is not allowed that kind of power.

Robert in D.C.

I thought the most memorable moment was when she said "I am honored, absolutely honored to be here with Barack Obama".

Wow, I think she just joined the Obama fan club. Give her a sticker!


Janine.....When did being the presidency become someone's destiny. I am a 38 year old woman and my entire life has been spent voting for a Bush or a Clinton. Am I to believe that no other family in America is qualified to be President.

To those who claim Obama is all words, and no substance have you looked at this record or are you depending on what politicians have to say in their speeches for details... read the Gettysburg Address - no details. Read MLK - not much of what you might call "substance". Speeches are about inspiring. They are the poetry in politics. And it is as important to be able to motivate as it is to have fleshed out policy strategies, and records.

If you want to know more about Obama go to Google for Government - usaspending.gov - (which Obam helped make), his website, or if you really need someone else to find the substance for you then check out this blog.

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/02/obama-actually.html

Hey, that "Barack Hussein" stuff isn't cool. Yes, Hillary won. Therefore America won, but don't be a jerk. Hillary will make America a place of hope, love, prosperity, and love. She'll be a wonderful president. She will surpass her husband. America will propser and be great once again. Yes, Mr. Osama lost, but you don't need to dehumanize him. We're not enemies here. We're Americans.

Yolanda - The trouble with your question is that it implies that all of the Bushes and Clintons that have been in office were actually qualified. However, your point is well taken. In fact, if you include the Reagan years the last time that a Bush or Clinton was not president or directly in line for presidency was in 1980. At which point you were not even 1. Well welcome to the new era, because we will see someone different. That is for sure.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/An_echo_from_Hillary.html
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/179614.php


Yes. while accusing Barack of plagiarism, she herself did plagiarize.

1. TPM Reader CG found one example in this November 1992 article by Anna Quindlen ...

**Bill Clinton, 92: "The hits that I took in this election are nothing compared to the hits the

people of this state and this country have been taking for a long time."

**Hillary Clinton, tonight: "You know, the hits I’ve taken in life are nothing

compared to what goes on every single day in the lives of people across our country."

2. **Hillary Tonight:

You know, whatever happens, we're going to be fine. You know, we have strong

support from our families and our friends. I just hope that we'll be able to say

the same thing about the American people. And that's what this election should be about.


**Edwards the December 13 debate:

What's not at stake are any of us. All of us are going to be just fine no matter

what happens in this election. But what's at stake is whether America is going to be fine.

I am a Latino, and I live in Plano, Texas. Hillary Clinton one the debate. She has more experience. She will be ready on day one. She loves America, and America loves her. She embodies America. America embodies her. She needs America. America needs her. She make love to America and America make love to her. She loves America so much. I love America, too. It has given me many thing. I don't understand how America could do without an American hero like Hillary. She loves this country like it is her child. My eyes are starting to water. I'm sorry.

And I don't like what's happening with this Obama character. I don't mean to sound angry, but he seems like the leader of a cult. His acolytes say meaningless jargon. There is no substance. They speak in generalities. It's like cheap propaganda. Hillary's supporter do this sometimes but when they do it, it's an exceptions. I should finish now. Just remember. Hillary has experience. She has solutions. And she will be ready on day one.

this is the first time i've stumble upon this blog and it appears that many read it. my only question is, why? did anyone see the debate marc was watching? ok, so i had another question.

Wow, even if she is out, and I still don't think she is, it would behoove Obamabots to respect a person who has spent her life trying to solve major problems in health care, children's and women's rights. Her line about Bush is being completely misrepresented in here - she was saying that a moratorium on foreclosures was so obvious even Bush GOT IT. Duh. Hillary Clinton is a class act - I have met her and seen the non-media biased person - and those of you who have done little true research and have bought into and used the right wing propaganda in order to benefit your candidates should seriously be ashamed. If you truly believe and support the politics of hope, perhaps you should try to live by them?

Wow, even if she is out, and I still don't think she is, it would behoove Obamabots to respect a person who has spent her life trying to solve major problems in health care, children's and women's rights. Her line about Bush is being completely misrepresented in here - she was saying that a moratorium on foreclosures was so obvious even Bush GOT IT. Duh. Hillary Clinton is a class act - I have met her and seen the non-media biased person - and those of you who have done little true research and have bought into and used the right wing propaganda in order to benefit your candidates should seriously be ashamed. If you truly believe and support the politics of hope, perhaps you should try to live by them?

Wow, even if she is out, and I still don't think she is, it would behoove Obamabots to respect a person who has spent her life trying to solve major problems in health care, children's and women's rights. Her line about Bush is being completely misrepresented in here - she was saying that a moratorium on foreclosures was so obvious even Bush GOT IT. Duh. Hillary Clinton is a class act - I have met her and seen the non-media biased person - and those of you who have done little true research and have bought into and used the right wing propaganda in order to benefit your candidates should seriously be ashamed. If you truly believe and support the politics of hope, perhaps you should try to live by them?

hillary has proven time and time again that she will do anything and say anything to get elected. and for those you have fallen for her spiel, you deserve no more from a president.

Hillary plagiarized two people in her debate conclusion, John Edwards and Bill Clinton. Never trust a Clinton. See:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAYItnI-lPo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ7Cs3QvT3U

"The puzzler of the night, to me, is why Clinton refused to answer a simple question that she clearly has an answer to: And that is: Is Barack Obama ready to be commander in chief? Clearly -- the answer, for Clinton, is “yes.” It’s her best argument against him. But twice she avoided it and instead recapitulated her own resume."

For those of you claiming this is a typo and should have read, "no," you are wrong. What the author is saying is that she has to say "yes." If Sen. Obama wins the nomination, she has to, as a democrat, support him and if she answered "no" Sen. McCain would be looping that soundbite everywhere saying, "Even Hillary doesn't think he's ready."

If she answers "yes," and Sen. Obama wins the nomination, she hasn't hurt his chances at election in November and has shown support for a fellow democrat.

If she answers, "yes," and Sen. Clinton wins the nomination, no harm no foul.

This is why the author claims her answer has to be "yes."

Obama and Clinton are both frighteningly serious about abandoning the people of Iraq and of giving in to Islamofascists.

They ought to be frightening every American into waking up.

We need a president who releases consistent positive vibes and i think that what I always get from Obama. It does not matter what state he is in, you get the right energy and synergy from him. Hillary Clinton is not the same way; her attitude tells you who she is. I must give her credit as she acted so well tonight at the end of the debate. All she had to do was act. However, that is not her true nature because what she acted during the debate won’t last. Her true color is what we see over time. So let no American be deceived by her words. Her etheric body (where the real you resides) speaks for itself. I think for Hillary Clinton it all about power and fame. But Obama is very real.

We need a president who releases consistent positive vibes and i think that what I always get from Obama. It does not matter what state he is in, you get the right energy and synergy from him. Hillary Clinton is not the same way; her attitude tells you who she is. I must give her credit as she acted so well tonight at the end of the debate. All she had to do was act. However, that is not her true nature because what she acted during the debate won’t last. Her true color is what we see over time. So let no American be deceived by her words. Her etheric body (where the real you resides) speaks for itself. I think for Hillary Clinton it all about power and fame. But Obama is very real.

Before you drink the Obama Kool-Aid, you might want to search "Larry Sinclair" on youtube. He's scheduled to take a polygraph in 2 days to substantiate his allegations.

Clinton took/lifted John Edwards' words in her last response in the debate tonight!

Here is the video of both of them saying the same thing side by side:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zAYItnI-lPo

I hope the news media is going to report on this.

No one has commented her about the fact that the supposed plagiarism became an issue only because the Clintonistas manipulated the media into looking at clips on youtube, and then lied about this involvement. When Clinton offered her slimy insinuation that Obabma's ethical credibility had been called into question by his "plagiarism," Obama should have pounced. Which is the more obvious evidence of deep ethical failure: using (with permission) som