That's got to hurt.
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Why did the guy needed to interrupt her? That was rude. 
I'm betting that once they saw that Clinton didn't congratulate his win (for the third time in a row), they decided to cut short her free air time to bash him. I commend him for it. Just sad she can't be gracious.
Cocky. Clinton's new victim moment.
As far as manners go, the door swings both ways, Priscilla. And it just hit Hillary on her ass. All the talk from Hillary supporters about manners, and she's been uncouth from the jumpstart. Save it.
That was really uncalled for. I guess she's just a woman... why bother to respect?
boohoohoo...I'm way over this whole "he stepped on his toes" crap. Get over it. Do we have to hear this after every contest? It's not like she's bowing out of the race and he jumped on top of her speech...
didn't clinton tell the press her speech was going to happen earlier in the evening and then she bumped it? that's what msnbc said. i can't feel bad for her. sad she can't even have the decency to commend him for his win. pretty classless...although i understand their twisted rationale.
RACISM! RACISM! Oh wait, it was Obama the one being rude and discourteous! Ah, well, it just the way politics are. You gotta do what you gotta do. It's the new kind of politics. Pretty sure this is something that makes Michelle Obama proud of.
According to Ben Smith, she planned it that way.
A new dynasty is born... Hillary will drop out before the end of March. http://www.political-buzz.com/
I guess you actually have to concede for the press and your opponents to respect it as a concession speech. Hillary should learn some manners if they don't want their speeches cut short. Poor Wisconsin is now insignificant.
I guess you actually have to concede for the press and your opponents to respect it as a concession speech. Hillary should learn some manners if they don't want their speeches cut short. Poor Wisconsin is now insignificant.
Mr. Ambinder, Notice how quickly Hillary mentioned her website and fundraising. $1 million a day? No chance. No way. I suspect they might be out of $ by the day after Ohio/Texas -- she just used a significant portion of her free air time to troll for $.
Actually word is Clinton moved her speech from 8:30 to 9:15 in an attempt to challenge the nets to show her instead.
She was just giving her stump speach, not addressing the results. I completely expected Obama to interupt, her post-primary speaches have been so generic, and she's been such a poor looser. Never congradulating Obama, never talking about democratic unity, etc. She really can't win at this point without destroying the party, so there is no reason to keep acting like she's relevant.
Wow, I don't know what to say anymore about HRC. I just read 3 articles that said she moved her speech up to when he was going on the challenge the networks... What is the point?
Well she is gambling that people won't know she delayed it and that they'll feel sorry for her when Obama doesn't delay his and interrupts hers. Or she was hoping that Obama would delay his and everyone would be asleep. Obama's was pretty late last time. Or she's just incompetent and late.
For those paying even a modicum of attention, Clinton moved up her speech to try to pre-empt Obama's speech and prevent it from being covered. MSNBC had to cut away from an interview with a Clinton staffer who had no idea that Clinton was about to speak because she rushed out on stage, then proceeded to ignore Wisconsin.
She was just giving her stump speach, not addressing the results. I completely expected Obama to interupt, her post-primary speaches have been so generic, and she's been such a poor looser. Never congradulating Obama, never talking about democratic unity, etc. She really can't win at this point without destroying the party, so there is no reason to keep acting like she's relevant.
The other night, they interrupt Obama for Mc Cain. It's just a way to hear everyone.
Primetime speeches are for closers. "Losers" get whatever scraps are left when the winners are done. Which one d'ya suppose Hillary feels like tonight?
I am just surprised that anyone dared to interrupt our self-appointed queen. Particularly given she is Rupert Murdoch's darling. This proves democracy is alive and well. Thanks to the media for finally showing a little back-bone to the Bush-Clinton dynasty.....
This is all very interesting, but I just saw a little of Obama's speech and a few things would have had me furiously raising my hand trying to ask a question had I been there. For instance, he wants to make college affordable for all, something that conflicts with his support for letting illegal aliens take college slots and discounts from U.S. citizens. Too bad there isn't someone around here who could ask him about things like that. You know, someone who's paid to be a reporter or something.
They both are full of it, but Obama is much more cynical and calculating, playing on the best hopes of people. If Obama wins, I will vote for McCain.
It was Hillary who did the classless thing in moving her speech to try to preempt his. I hope the media reports this accurately. Also, I am glad to see that Obama is a tough competitor. Hasn't Hillary been criticizing Obama for not being tough enough to take on the GOP? So I'm glad to see that Obama can throw some punches too.
Clinton's speech was scheduled for 8:30, Obama's at 9:30. Clinton delayed her speech. She's not the victim here, she played hardball, and got it handed back to her by the networks. Once again, no acknowledgment of the results by Clinton. Oh, I forgot.....Wisconsin doesn't count because she couldn't campaign because of the snow.
People stay together for good reasons and separate for good reasons. When Hillary's career as a presidential Candidate is over, she and Bill will end their partnership. Finally, Bill may live a more honest life. I more concerned about Mrs Pantsuit who will have a difficult time dealing with her reality.
Does Wisconsin count? Or not? I'm confused.
The cable news nets should not carry her speech; she does not congratulate Obama or even Wisconsin. So this was not a speech about the election, which should be carried. This was just another stump speech, and the news nets are not obligated to show that.
It seems Hillary tried to make a ploy to push Obama's victory speech out of primetime and Obama's people were smart enough to see her sudden rescheduling as the Clintonista machination it was. And knew that the media knew that she was going to give yet another graceless non-concession speech while she tried hogging the primetime spot for more stump=speech and fundraising -- and counted on the media ditching the Hillary "non-story" for Obamamania. Which the media did, ditching the the bitch. Well done, Obamites! Now, for the small matter of Obama adding substance to his campaign... I love seeing the Clintons and dynastic politics and an unqualified, mediocre politician housewife going down...but Obama has to begin making the case that the country really wants the most Liberal Senator.
It's ok - Wisconsin DOES NOT count. According to Clinton's campaign, it is right next door to Illinois. ...seems strange they spent so much of their time and hard earned cash trying to win it then. *cough*
according to Tim Russert:the Obama campaign was prepared to wait for Sen Clinton to finish her speech if she conceded Wisconsin. But as she showed no intention of mentioning Wisconsin, on top of never acknowledging his wins in the Potomac Primary last week - the Obama camapign figured - why give Sen Clinton an hour to bash them if they were not going to acknowledge the results of the evening -
JUST on MSNBC - Andrea Mitchell says Sen Clinton called Sen Obama AFTER both of the speeches were given to congratulate Sen Obama on his win -- Sen Clinton is going to go for the jugular at the next two debates -- this is going to be ugly-- she is over 150 pledged delegates behind -- Sen Clinton would have to win every state left by over 60% to catch up -- At what point is Sen Clinton gracious BEFORE it is too late
I like it when Obama plays hardball and I think the electorate does too. He too often gets criticized for being "soft" on war (despite repeatedly saying he would strike at any US threat) for being full of words but no solutions, etc. When he pulls a small punch it makes people think he's got cajones. I'm starting to feel like it might *actually* be possible for Obama to pull this off. Which would be AMAZING.
The very least shred of graciousness for Senator Clinton would have been to acknowledge the voters of Wisonsin who supported her. Talk about "ouch." Regardless the outcome, the story of how Senator Clinton oversaw, and went along with, the disastrous management of a campaign that should look significantly brighter right now, warrants that all of us pause as to her actual leadership and management skills. In regular business, Senator Clinton would be on probation at this point (with potential investigation into malpractice), and Senator Obama would be strongly considered for a raise. That's not an endorsement of Senator Obama, per se, it's an observation about how a massive and well-funded political machine has been dragged down into a draw contest by a candidate who was seriously underestimated by his opponent's formidable collection of political talent. Again, this doesn't qualify Obama to lead, but it does place into serious question the ability of his opponent to do so.
quick thoughts 1. What was with the early voting pitch that Obama started with? Was he making a comment about states like California, which he lost largely because of early voting, or was he trying to educate everyone about the screwed up primary/caucus rules in Texas? I was puzzled. 2. What did Obama say about a US leadership role in Darfur? What does that mean? We can't pull troops out of Iraq and put them back down in Africa. Especially not after making the argument that troops in Iraq were diverted from the war in Afghanistan. Where is he going with this? 3. I'd say the repeated lack of concession by Clinton and the big footed road block thrown up by Obama cancel each other out. I remember Kerry using the big foot on Edwards in 04.
Obama beat McCain in every state since Feb. 5th, in addition to Hillary Quite a record. We all know Obama has beaten Hillary in 9 straight states, but the amazing thing is that he's now beaten McCain in percentage and vote terms in every state since Feb. 5th as well. Democratic turnout in Wisconsin also looks to be 2.5:1 compared to the Republicans, with roughly 1,080,000 casting Democratic ballots and only 406,000 Republican ballots. Of course the Democrats' primary was much more contested, but still quite a margin. So Obama is doing a better job of unifying his party than McCain is, once the campaign actually comes down to voting day (after he campaigns and soars in the polls). Hillary is basically now Mike Huckabee with a lot more personal wealth, a big-mouthed spouse, and a much bigger campaign staff. They're both choosing to continue to campaign (which they have every right to do) even though they'd need a ridiculous margin in the remaining states to win the most delegates elected by their respective parties. They're both running campaigns that appeal to sizable niche constituencies within their parties (for Hillary: older women, Huckabee: evangelicals) and winning around 40% in primaries. I think it's time the media started paying less attention to Hillary or more attention to Huckabee. What's fair is fair. Could you imagine how the media would now be treating Obama if he had lost 9 primaries in a row? The media would be COMPLETELY laughing him off and the Clinton campaign would totally ignore him. A debate on Thursday, are you joking?
I'm glad I didn't hear Clinton's boorish speech. Instead I listened to Obama's complete speech on CNN stream. (Thanks to CNN for carrying a continuous live stream of the speech as well as all the glad-handing afterwards, as well as the sketches of people still congregating at the end of the night.) Obama's Houston speech tonight was for the centuries: historic, meaty in its substance, stylistically intelligent, full of hope. A brilliant, passionate summary of the nation's aspirations and excellence. He is by far the most competent and inspiring candidate for president in 2008.
1. What was with the early voting pitch that Obama started with? Was he making a comment about states like California, which he lost largely because of early voting, or was he trying to educate everyone about the screwed up primary/caucus rules in Texas? I was puzzled. I missed that part of the speech, but Texas early voting began today.
Just Karl wrote: >> What was with the early voting pitch that Obama started with? Was he making a comment about states like California, which he lost largely because of early voting, or was he trying to educate everyone about the screwed up primary/caucus rules in Texas? I was puzzled>> I wasn't confused. Obama held up PRINTED cards with instructions for the primary and the caucus on the front and voting locations on the back. This is another incident of the Obama campaign's stellar organizing technique. He just gave 20,000 people instructions on how to vote for him. Unlike Clinton, he didn't need to ask for money, he has money; he didn't have to tell his audience what his website was, it was on the card; he didn't talk about 'old guy's' asking how to help him, he talked about how he could help people who are struggling. That is a big difference between their campaigns. Oh, as someone who has been on board the Obama campaign since his announcement, every attempt by the Clinton compaign to game him, he has pivoted away and the smear has rebounded upon Hillary. If they have no idea who they are dealing with by now, they should be sued for incompetence by donors to their campaign.
Quite a smart direct appeal by Obama - a lot of Texans would have been alerted to the fact that they can now vote ahead of March 4th and that they need to attend the caucus as well. If he has a hundred thousand of those instruction cards and starts handing them out at every speech he gives, he is going to have some motivated voters. Hilary looked a bit run down I thought - normally she has an inner fire that was missing tonight.
This is just another sign, in the growing number of them, that the writing is on the wall: Texas Primary- Hillary vs. Barack:
When will the media stop coddling this poster child and give him some hard ball questions? When will they call him out for bringing his spouse along to sling the mud and instead tell the spouse to sit down and shut up? (Like they did Clinton in South Carolina.) When will the press give other candidates one-half the attention they give poster child? His addle-headed mob is an Obamanation, all right. Someone here called him "brilliant." What smoke have you been inhaling? What brilliant thing has he said? Where is the beef? His Houston speech was, as he has said, 'just words,' there is no action behind it. Darfur? Where is he going? You don't know. He doesn't know. What do you think the press would have done to Hillary if she had plagerized her speech? Two sets of rules.
Bad form Bud. It sounds like sour grapes. One thing is clear, though. Obama will have to run the gauntlet of the Clintons machine in desperation mode, the attention deficit media looking to bring anyone down, the Reps in full tilt boogy smear. His biggest test yet. Should be interesting to watch how he handles it. Makes Al Qaeda look like a picnic!
Nice sour grapes, Bud. Loser. The crone must go. Obama '08!
Bud: If Obama lost 10 straight primaries, they'd be calling for him to leave the race immediately. However, since HRC has lost 10 straight primaries, they're not even questioning her call to continue on to March 4. Different sets of rules, indeed.
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Axelrod's playing by some hard core Chicago rules, now.
Posted by dry_fish | February 19, 2008 9:40 PM