« Bottom Line From The Clinton Spin Call | Main | Non-Politics Thought For The Day: Down To "The Wire" »

Back To Basics On The Major Question Of The Democratic Campaign

03 Mar 2008 01:54 pm

As we approach the point where Hillary Clinton has to clobber Barack Obama and begin to win delegates or fade away, the candidates are finally debating what is, to many, the central question of any presidential campaign: in order to secure this most perfect union, who can best provide for the common defense? They've circled around this debate for twelve months, and now, thanks to Sen. Clinton's "3:00 a.m" advertising,

There's a debate about the value of experience -- by which we mean -- national security. Some say experience overrated. Is there a correlation between critical judgment and executive or national security experience? Prior to the debate about values, there is a debate about definitions. Does experience mean direct engagement with policy? Does it mean proximity to executive decision making? Does it mean something else? Does the experience of having lived through the administration of George W. Bush predispose Democrats towards a definition that privileges a record of judgments over a set of points of a resume?

For this precise question, the clearest historical analogue is, probably John F. Kennedy. He was a war hero, to be sure. But the court historians of Camelot have been so successful in building up, and in many cases obscuring his intellectual development -- just who, for example turned Why England Slept into Profiles In Courage? -- that just what was that the state of his judgment when he entered the White House; did he blunder into nuclear confrontation? Was his naivety about the ways of Washington in part responsible for his refusal to call off the Bay of Pigs? Was his prodigious intellect and rigorous skepticism responsible, as recordings later seemed to suggest, for countering the aggressive instincts of the Pentagon and correctly interpreting Khrushchev to diffuse the Cuban Missile Crisis?

How about the foreign policy foibles of an inexperienced President Clinton in 1993 and 1994? (Haiti, Bosnia, Somalia)

Does judgment or experience even matter? Pace the oft-chaotic Carter White House, does the internal dynamic of the policy advice process influence the outcome more the individual preferences and views of the advisers?

When Hillary Clinton says that her instincts would be better than Barack Obama's because she has experience, does history bear that out? The force of personality

That's kind of a critical question, isn't it? History and argument provide few clear clues.

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/mt/mt-tb.cgi/21564

Comments (13)

Why England Slept and Profiles in Courage were two different books. I believe you're referring to the possibility that one or both of them were at least partially ghost-written, which may well be true. But I don't see how one "turned" into the other.

As has repeatedly been noted, Cheney and Rumsfeld were two of the most experienced individuals inside the Beltway, but badly misread (or simply ignored) the intelligence that should have warned against going into Iraq. Hillary (who didn't even read that intelligence) made an equally bad gamble.

I think that it's really impossible for her to make the case that her judgment surpassed Senator Obama's when the facts tell us otherwise.

What's going on in this post? It seems like there are a lot of incomplete thoughts and half-finished sentences. It's hard to tell exactly what you're arguing, Marc.

Carter's failures in foreign policy have nothing to do with "experience," for the same reason that the failures of Rumsfeld and Cheney have nothing to do with "experience."

Carter had none of it, they had a lot. They both screwed up. What does this tell you?

It's not the question of experience that we should be asking, but the question of judgment. Now, to be able to exercise judgment *requires* some degree of experience, but experience is not *sufficient* for judgment.

Maybe I'm being dramatic, but I think the better analogy is WWI. Fortunately, a book JFK was quite fond of says it all. He talked about "The Guns of August" a lot. It's point is relevant here: Experience only makes a difference when the paradigm it applies to prevails.

Maybe I'm being dramatic, but I think the better analogy is WWI. Fortunately, a book JFK was quite fond of says it all. He talked about "The Guns of August" a lot. It's point is relevant here: Experience only makes a difference when the paradigm it applies to prevails.

Hey, no more dunkblogging!

I'd say a better example is Abraham Lincoln. Having only two years' experience in the House, he still managed to do a pretty good job leading the country as President during a critical time in our nation's history.

I've read this post very closely, and I have to say Marc, in all honesty, I've been reading your blog for months, and this has to be the

Can we just keep in mind that the national security problems facing the incoming president (perhaps barring the Iraq debacle... think Vietnam?) have never been dealt with in the history of this country before the Bush presidency? If you really believe that terrorism is the biggest threat this country faces, then please understand that no country in the world, certainly not the US, not even Israel (and they have had to deal with it from the moment of their inception), has figured out how to nip this problem in the bud.... So the argument that working on the Armed services committee or having a front row seat to the decisions Bill Clinton had to make gives you a leg up, fall seriously short...

Also on JFK wasn't the only one to blame for Bay of Pigs fiasco. Eisenhower was the one who set things in motion, making it possible for the thing to have happened in the first place.

I find the now-constant comparisons of Obama to Lincoln increasingly horrifying. For starters, Lincoln was faced with the secession of half the country at his inauguration; it's truly impossible to conceive of such a thing at this point in our history, unless we're driven to it by the remorseless separatism of bloggers on the right and the left. To continue, even his most ardent admirers concede that the inexperienced Lincoln made blunder after blunder in the direction of the war, selecting incompetent generals, allowing the war department of his day nearly limitless latitude in corrupt procurement and supply, and pursuing a strategy that very nearly lost the war to a much weaker foe. Detractors may point out that Lincoln flagrantly violated the rights of his most loyal Union constituents, invented the concentration camp, and unleashed a holocaust of unprecedented proportions upon the continent when compromise might have been reached at numerous points. After all, it was the need for such compromise that allowed the state of Maryland to retain its slaves nearly into the 20th century.

In short, would I ever want to see a second Lincoln in the White House? Yes, if my nation were threatened with extinction. No, if all it needed was a cure for recession and a mending of fences. Nothing in Obama's sketchy resume--nor in the words of his supporters--suggests either is a likelihood.

Herbert, in Tuesday's Times. Two friggin trillion? And Hillary voted to authorize? Without reading the NIE? That phone is red because it's an angry electorate ready to clean house!

Meanwhile, that 3AM ad seems to have made less impact than Spun...

Hillary Clinton's "3 a.m. Phone Call" Ad
http://www.mediacurves.com/press_releases/PressRelease.cfm?PressReleaseID=121
http://www.mediacurves.com/Politics/J6736/

Good grief this isn't that hard.

Experience in the conventional wisdom sense is out the window because of Cheney and Rumsfeld. Also that the Dems dismissed the Dodds and Bidens of the race.

It's judgement and COMPETENCE that matter. What sorts of individuals has the person drawn around them to advise them? What sorts of judgmental arguments has the person put forward as their point of view?

Bush got us here with his bubble like inner circle of highly experienced, judgmentally compromised, totally INCOMPETENT folks.

No President makes decisions without their inner circle. They simply don't.

So who do you want deciding our next war move...Penn and Wolfson or the amazing team Obama has built? Madeline Albright or Susan Rice?

I could go on and on but the only discussion that can have any meaning is who is in the last layer of information each nominee would get?

Post a comment

By using this service you agree not to post material that is obscene, harassing, defamatory, or otherwise objectionable. Although The Atlantic does not monitor comments posted to this site (and has no obligation to), it reserves the right to delete, edit, or move any material that it deems to be in violation of this rule.


Copyright © 2008 by The Atlantic Monthly Group. All rights reserved.