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DNC Lays Out Choice For Florida And Michigan: Rules, Re-Vote

05 Mar 2008 06:43 pm

Howard Dean will not bend the party rules to grandfather in the disputed delegates from Michigan and Florida, the Democratic party chairman said in a statement today.

Instead, he put the state parties on notice: either they can wait and allow the credentials committee to decide whether to seat their delegates, or submit to a re-vote sanctioned under DNC rules. "We look forward to receiving their proposals should they decide to submit new delegate selection plans and will review those plans at that time," he said in the statement.

"Everyone seems to be asking what the DNC will do," a Democrat close to Dean said. "But the question is: what will the state parties do."

Dean's statement implies that he has no intention of changing the rules to accommodate any solution proposed by the candidates or the state parties. There has been some suggestion that the two remaining presidential candidates might try to broker a deal among themselves. His line in the sand narrows the options for Hillary Clinton's campaign because it is unlikely that a credentials committee would endorse a delegation congenial to her mathematical interests.

Dean will make the rounds of the network morning news shows tomorrow to explain his reasoning.

The state parties better act quickly: they have to submit a new plan and run the contest before June 10.

Karen Thurman, the chair of the Florida Democratic Party, issued a statement late Wednesday that seemed to discount the possibility of a second primary.

“It is important also that we are clear about one issue. At this time, no suggested alternative process has been able to meet three specific and necessary requirements: the full participation from both candidates, a guaranteed commitment of the millions of dollars it will cost to conduct the event and a detailed election plan that would enfranchise all Florida Democrats, including our military service members serving in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere.

The Florida Democratic Party cannot consider any alternative that does not meet these requirements. Indeed, it is very possible that no satisfactory alternative plan will emerge, in which case Florida Democrats will remain committed to seating the delegates allocated by the January 29th primary.

It's clear that whoever is the first to suggest a new primary would also to suggest a credible mechanism to pay for it.

The DNC stripped Florida and Michigan of 366 total delegates after the two states submitted delegate selection plans that violated party rules.

Here is Dean's full statement:


"We're glad to hear that the Governors of Michigan and Florida are willing to lend their weight to help resolve this issue. As we've said all along, we strongly encourage the Michigan and Florida state parties to follow the rules, so today's public overtures are good news. The rules, which were agreed to by the full DNC including representatives from Florida and Michigan over 18 months ago, allow for two options. First, either state can choose to resubmit a plan and run a party process to select delegates to the convention; second, they can wait until this summer and appeal to the Convention Credentials Committee, which determines and resolves any outstanding questions about the seating of delegates. We look forward to receiving their proposals should they decide to submit new delegate selection plans and will review those plans at that time. The Democratic Nominee will be determined in accordance with party rules, and out of respect for the presidential campaigns and the states that did not violate party rules, we are not going to change the rules in the middle of the game.

"Through all the speculation, we should also remember the overwhelming enthusiasm and turnout that we have already seen, and respect the voters of the ten states who have yet to have their say.

"As we head towards November, our nominee must have the united support of a strong Democratic Party that's ready to fight and ready to beat John McCain. After seven years of Republican rule, I am confident that we will elect a Democratic president who will fight for America's families in the White House. Now we must hear from the voters in twelve states and territories who have yet to make their voices heard."

Comments (386)

If there is a do-over do they get the same no of delegates they had in January or do they get the bonus the DNC gives for going later? I presume it's the former, right?

Is there such a thing as absentee caucusing, for servicemen and women serving abroad?

Maine had caucuses where absentee ballots were allowed.

It's clear that whoever is the first to suggest a new primary would also to suggest a credible mechanism to pay for it.

There's always money in the banana stand.

Sure, have a re-vote, which I am sure Hillary will be happy to pay for since it represents another chance to make inroads into Obama's lead. But put on the ballot another measure:

Would you, the voters in FL and MI, like to strip the state democratic party officials their titles? (in other words, fire them?)

I can't think of anything more tragic than this year's dem race. One candidate so odious she is barely human. The other a great orator, woefully inexperienced.

Give it to McCain and try again in 2012.... What a waste.

I can't think of anything more tragic than this year's dem race. One candidate so odious she is barely human. The other a great orator, woefully inexperienced.

Give it to McCain and try again in 2012.... What a waste.

I can't think of anything more tragic than this year's dem race. One candidate so odious she is barely human. The other a great orator, woefully inexperienced.

Give it to McCain and try again in 2012.... What a waste.

BRING ON THE "HANGING CHADS" AGAIN. AND SOME SUPREME COURT ACTION.

WHILE ALL OF THIS JUNK GOES ON, PELOSI LETS THE HOUSE FORGET ABOUT NATIONAL SECURITY....

TOO BUSY WORRYING ABOUT THE SIZE OF HER AIR PLANE

I BET IF OBAMA GETS THE NOMINATION, SHE WILL LET HIM RIDE IN HER BIG OLD AIRPLANE WITH HER AND ALL HER GRANDKIDS....JUST LIKE FAMILY.

This party can't select a nominee without smoke screens and back door deals. This is the same bunch that want to run this country.

Howard Dean is a complete idiot and I am so glad he runs the DNC. The Democratic Party is a Joke so please continue to make complete fools of yourselves as we conservatives love to watch this complete insanity that you clowns continue to perpetuate and watch you self destruct.
Het HOWARD what a great leader!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Howard Dean is a complete idiot and I am so glad he runs the DNC. The Democratic Party is a Joke so please continue to make complete fools of yourselves as we conservatives love to watch this complete insanity that you clowns continue to perpetuate and watch you self destruct.
Het HOWARD what a great leader!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course, according to DNC rules Iowa, SC, and NH should also lose there delegates, but that hasn't happened yet, eh??? Also, FL and Mich were only supposed to penalized by half. The dems are a joke - they can't even follow their own election rules - let alone the nation's!!!

I did not vote in the Michigan primary because my candidate Obama was not on the ballot because the party said votes would not count. My wife did vote because her candidate Clinton was on the ballot. If anyone from Michigan is going to be seated at the convention I believe I have a right to vote.

To allow a revote in Florida and Michigan would represent a further travesty upon the Democratic process already injured by the self serving tactics of Hillary Clinton...will Hillary not stop at anything in order to accomplish her "Machiavelian" agenda!!

I wonder how the results will turn out on this one? Will the people of those states vote for the candidate who has spent the past few weeks talking about how their voice should count (after she "won" there already) or will they vote for the candidate who was standing by his agreement that they shouldn't have delegates seated because they violated party rules? This isn't going to be close at all and will really favor Hillary.

Hillary you better not drag the party down this year with your losing campaign. If Obama is leading in delegates after PA then just give up and support him!

Oh my God - the RNC must be so freakin' happy right now.

I have always heard about Democrats forming a Democratic Circular Firing Squad - but dang - we see it happening right before our eyes.


First the Democrats don't trust their voters - so they have SuperDelegates - in case the voters "get out of hand"..

Now they tell the states one thing - but now are looking for a re-vote?

The Republicans have their nominee and he is totally free to start bashing both Democrats while they are still mired down in what is turning into a mud fight.

Let's see if the Democrats are once again able to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory...

The Democrats can't even manage a primary, and yet they want us to believe that they can run the country?
If Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi weren't evidence enough, this confirms it.

Just like the Dems, change the rules in the middle of the game.

Just like the Dems, change the rules in the middle of the game.

why is it everything the dems have done has to be undone, re-done or ammended: SS. Medicade, medicare, education, and now there own primary rules. An you have to ask "if liberals had a brain they wouldn't be liberals." An to top that off you want to have these people run our country and appoint federal and surpreme court justice's

Why is always the Democrats who want revotes and to change the rules in the middle of the game?

"...a chance to make inroads into Obama's lead..." -are you kidding? The states didn't follow the party orders so the voters in these states don't count? That's throwing the baby out with the bath water.

I recall not long ago when there was outrage that every single voter in Florida did not get a say in the general election because of the "hanging chads." Now, you claim that it is "fair" to simply deny the entire democratic party within each of these states a vote because they voted too early!

Why not just say what you mean: "We don't want the people to be able to vote because then Hillary may win the democratic nomination, therefore, some people must be silenced by using technical party ruling." LOL.

Democrats - you gotta love 'em.

Why is always the Democrats who want revotes and to change the rules in the middle of the game?

As a Florida resident I do not care if they have a re-do or not, just do not ask the Florida taxpayers to pay for another vote. We already paid for one in Jan. Besides the state has enough problems not to waste money to please the DNC

What's with the commentators cheering on their political party like a sports team?

"That's probably why we beat them at football nearly half the time."

This is saaaad. I had such great hopes for Paul and Kucinich....

This is baloney... Each candidate, including OBAMA, had the choice to PAY to have their names put on the ballot...Obama didn't want to spend the money - as did neither Edwards, Biden or Dodd.
Florida's voters as well as Michigan's are within their rights to have their votes counted. Especially in Florida where it was a Republican Governor that signed the date change into law - meaning the Dems had no choice but to vote on the date they changed it to.

Joe, Have you thought of a new spouse?

KJS ... you said it all!!!! This country has trillions of dollars of unfunded entitlements coming up over the next 20 years and they want to add billions in medical entitlements. WIll China finace tus?

KJS ... you said it all!!!! This country has trillions of dollars of unfunded entitlements coming up over the next 20 years and they want to add billions in medical entitlements. WIll China finace tus?

Democrats are funny.

Once again the democrats are self destructing, an implosion of epic proportions. This should be the easy year, but they are going to blow it again. They have the most polarizing figure in political history in Clinton, and an absolute rookie in Obama, a man so utterly unqualified that even his most ardent supporters can't name a single accomplishment. The nominating process is a joke, a disgrace. It is designed to pander to the most extreme liberals, making it all but impossible for political moderates to vote democrat in the general election. Obama's proposals are classic socialism. New programs abound. It is totally absurd.

This is typical of the Democrat party and Liberals in general. If you don't like the Democratic process, you cheat and make up different rules. This process is NOT how Democratic governments operate, it is how TYRANNICAL DICTATORSHIPS operate.

Welcome to the NEW Soviet Union.

OK, because there was no real Dem ticket, I crossed over and voted Republican. Now, am I allowed a re-vote, even though I had to register as a republican to vote the first time?

Rules are rules sheeesh! Fl and Mi shouldn't count and Obama should be candidate. Clinton cannot win people, not even with Obama as VP. People vote for who is at top of ticket not veep slot. Hillary has high negatives and sends bluebogs and independents to McCain. Obama inspires while Clinton mires.

Isn't hillary a white woman
and isn't obama a black man?

why not vote for mcain!

PUSH PUSH IN THE BUSH

GO BUSH 2008

Bravo, Howard Dean! That's the right decision. Don't change the rules in the middle of the game. FL and MI can still comply with the rules if they wish, by having new primaries or caucuses. Otherwise, they have removed themselves from the process this year, by their own intransigence.

Isn't hillary a white woman
and isn't obama a black man?

why not vote for mcain!

PUSH PUSH IN THE BUSH

GO BUSH 2008

Isn't hillary a white woman
and isn't obama a black man?

why not vote for mcain!

PUSH PUSH IN THE BUSH

GO BUSH 2008

"It's clear that whoever is the first to suggest a new primary would also to suggest a credible mechanism to pay for it."

"There's always money in the banana stand."

You are my hero.

Mr. Dean, please stick to the rules! Rules are not made to be broken because the Clintons are desperate and dangerous! Hillary Clinton along with the other candidates agreed to the rules and now she and Bill want to change the rules. I don't think so! There are too many young people who have participated in this political process for the first time -- so, keep the rules do not discourage our youth. There has to be some sense to this madness that the Clintons are espousing -- DON'T GIVE IN TO THEM! If you do, you can forget the General election. Thank you.

I love it...McCain runs away with it as HRC destroys the party when it was their "year."

And, for what? Personal ego...she can't let go.

It is a sad state of affairs when parties think they can dictate to a state when it can hold a primary. Caucuses are another thing because they are paid for by the parties. But primaries are paid for by the people of that state via tax dollars.

To those who think that when your state held its primary and your candidate was not on the ballot. Then you should have written in their name. You all should have seen the possiblity of this coming.

My hope is that they do not hold new primaries and that Clinton with the delgates she would have won would then have a lead and sue for them to be seated.

Not because I support her, but to put things back into the proper perspective. That is the states are in charge of when a primary is held not a party be it Rep or Dem.

It is a no win for the Dem on this. If they do not seat the delegates they have done exactly what they claim the Rep do to them and desfranchising voters. If they run a second primary it will basicly do the same!

It is a sad state of affairs when parties think they can dictate to a state when it can hold a primary. Caucuses are another thing because they are paid for by the parties. But primaries are paid for by the people of that state via tax dollars.

To those who think that when your state held its primary and your candidate was not on the ballot. Then you should have written in their name. You all should have seen the possibility of this coming.

My hope is that they do not hold new primaries and that Clinton with the delegates she would have won would then have a lead and sue for them to be seated.

Not because I support her, but to put things back into the proper perspective. That is the states are in charge of when a primary is held not a party be it Rep or Dem.

It is a no win for the Dem on this. If they do not seat the delegates they have done exactly what they claim the Rep do to them and disfranchising voters. If they run a second primary it will basically do the same!

It is a sad state of affairs when parties think they can dictate to a state when it can hold a primary. Caucuses are another thing because they are paid for by the parties. But primaries are paid for by the people of that state via tax dollars.

To those who think that when your state held its primary and your candidate was not on the ballot. Then you should have written in their name. You all should have seen the possibility of this coming.

My hope is that they do not hold new primaries and that Clinton with the delegates she would have won would then have a lead and sue for them to be seated.

Not because I support her, but to put things back into the proper perspective. That is the states are in charge of when a primary is held not a party be it Rep or Dem.

It is a no win for the Dem on this. If they do not seat the delegates they have done exactly what they claim the Rep do to them and disfranchising voters. If they run a second primary it will basically do the same!

If the DNC were to seat Florida & Michigan, it would be a betrayal to those who followed the rules (Obama), on the highest level possible.

Florida & Michigan broke the rules. Live with it. The presidency is at stake. Anything else is cheating.

I'm very liberal but, if the agreement is broken, I would never again vote for a democrat. It would be either the McCains or Greens of the world for the rest of my life. I could never forgive that type of cheating.

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It makes my skin crawl at how despicable the Clinton campaign is for even trying to break the agreement and get nominated by cheating.

I am so hard....I mean thinking so hard about hillary and obama....I am so hard..ened by the opportunity.

Hey does anyone think hill's got a big butt?

me too.

I am so hard....I mean thinking so hard about hillary and obama....I am so hard..ened by the opportunity.

Hey does anyone think hill's got a big butt?

me too.

Ask not what your political party can do for you, but what you can do for your political party.

As a Florida Democrat, I will do my part for "the party" next November. They might not be like what I will do.

As a FL Democratic voter, this scenario really bothers me. This may drive me from the party altogether. My state leaders and Howard Dean seem to be completely insane.

You idios do realize the Repugs that control FL made the change in primary dates, yes. O & C were both on the ballot. If I were C I would file a Fed. LS over FL. MI? Quien sabe?

A revote should absolutely not be allowed.

The DNC should also decide NOW that these two state parties, which broke the rules set forth by the DNC, that their delegates WILL NOT be allowed to vote in the convention - for President, Vice President or dog catcher!

A revote will not be fair to the residents of the other states who followed the rules. How many more delegates would either Obama or Clinton have gotten if there weren't the other also ran candidates in the original race?

I would anticipate legal action from voters in the other states if this stunt goes forward.

If I was a taxpayer in either of the two states, I would totally flip out if these costs had to be paid again - many millions of dollars.

Both Obama and Clinton agreed to these rules up front - but Clinton campaigned in both states anyway - even though she knew darn well that the delegates wouldn't be seated.

Who expected anything less than full on controversy in an election involving the Clintons?

Morons.

Way to go dems you'd screw up a wet dream

Hillary will just ask her crriminal buddy George Soros to write a check. If I were GW Bush I'd have Jimmy Carter, the National Guard, and the UN ready to monitor the November elections because sure as tomorrow the Democrats are going to try and steal it from McCain. Anyone caught vote tampering should be waterboarded until they sing like a canary. And what do you want to bet that the trail would lead right to DNC HQ?

"The math is against Hillary"

Well the math is against Obama too. Neither will get 2045 delegates, so Florida and Michigan need to be included.

I hope Hillary wins. If the Republicans spent $40M on the 27 year old Whitewater deal and only found that Bill got a bj, imagine what they will find out about Obama's 2005 purchase of a McMansion with Rezco's "help"? His cocaine use? The money his "poor" family used to pay for his trips to Kenya and Harvard? They will destroy this black man and set back blacks further than the party is setting back women.

Randy Rhodes and the rest of Air America Radio has drank the Obama KoolAid hook, like and sinker. They have used sexist arguments to discredit Hillary's 3 am ads (by saying that some general would have to be asked to drop nukes if ordered by Hillary -- why, because she might be on the rag?). They are dividing the party and Karl Rove is laughing all the way to the bank (and not to prison).

Obama has been bought and this whole "we are the change we have been waiting for" is disingenious and a farce.

And you want these idiots running the country? It's like little kids who keep changing the rules if they aren't winning. Democrats, oh how far they have fallen. Thanks for giving me a college scholarship, sorry I can't bring myself to vote for you anymore.

The major flaw i see is this gives Every Rupublican in florida and michigin (who already voted in the reppublicans primarys last month, an oppertunity to polute these primarys by voting for who ever they think is weekest Rush Limbaugh has been telling them to go ahead and vote Hillary for the last week.

How weird would it be if FL voters are disenfranchised again, but by Dean this time.

CAN ANYONE TELL ME.....

FOR $40,000

WHAT A "PURPLE HELMETED PULSATING WARRIOR" MEANS?

HINT!

IT'S SO STIFF AND HARD AND HAS WHITE STUFF CUMMING OUT WHEN IT GETS RUBBED!

WHOSE THE LUCKY WINNER!?

CAN ANYONE TELL ME.....

FOR $40,000

WHAT A "PURPLE HELMETED PULSATING WARRIOR" MEANS?

HINT!

IT'S SO STIFF AND HARD AND HAS WHITE STUFF CUMMING OUT WHEN IT GETS RUBBED!

WHOSE THE LUCKY WINNER!?

CAN ANYONE TELL ME.....

FOR $40,000

WHAT A "PURPLE HELMETED PULSATING WARRIOR" MEANS?

HINT!

IT'S SO STIFF AND HARD AND HAS WHITE STUFF CUMMING OUT WHEN IT GETS RUBBED!

WHOSE THE LUCKY WINNER!?

The DNC and party leaders need to end this disaster NOW! Clearly Obama has an overwhelming lead in pledged delegates, so much so that it is insurmountable and impossible for Hillary to catch up no matter what she wins. The superdelegates need to support the candidate with the most pledged delegates, the most most states and the most votes, that would be Obama.

And as to the question of inexperience, he has plenty of it. Come November he will have 12 years of experience as an elected official to Hillary's 8. The media just lets Clinton have her way without reporting the truth. The truth is that Obama was a state senator for 8 years and by November, a U.S. senator for 4. Hillary, by November will have 8 years as a U.S. senator. Obama has MORE EXERIENCE and he has GOOD JUDGEMENT!

Stop the insanity! Stop the misinformation! Stop replaying Clinton Press Releases as if they were news releases!!

CAN ANYONE TELL ME.....

FOR $40,000

WHAT A "PURPLE HELMETED PULSATING WARRIOR" MEANS?

HINT!

IT'S SO STIFF AND HARD AND HAS WHITE STUFF CUMMING OUT WHEN IT GETS RUBBED!

WHOSE THE LUCKY WINNER!?

CAN ANYONE TELL ME.....

FOR $40,000

WHAT A "PURPLE HELMETED PULSATING WARRIOR" MEANS?

HINT!

IT'S SO STIFF AND HARD AND HAS WHITE STUFF CUMMING OUT WHEN IT GETS RUBBED!

WHOSE THE LUCKY WINNER!?

If these states were obvious supporters of the candidate known as "Oprahbama" would the people above sing a different tune? The PEOPLE who are memembers of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY in MI and FL did NOTHING wrong. They voted when they were TOLD to vote, when they were ALLOWED to vote. Their mistake right? So odd that the people who are most upset at the prospect of these people getting a say in their OWN PARTY is other members of their OWN PARTY! hahahahahha. democrats

And to the poster who whined about not changing the rules because it is the first election young people have cared about...that is absurd. If they are young, then it's the first election they've seen. So naturally it's the only one they've cared about. But please explain why the precious children should have more of a say than the elderly of Florida or the un-employed auto worker in Michigan? Ohh yeah, because they are so easily swayed by the great orator ... oprahbama.

CAN ANYONE TELL ME.....

FOR $40,000

WHAT A "PURPLE HELMETED PULSATING WARRIOR" MEANS?

HINT!

IT'S SO STIFF AND HARD AND HAS WHITE STUFF CUMMING OUT WHEN IT GETS RUBBED!

WHOSE THE LUCKY WINNER!?

CAN ANYONE TELL ME.....

FOR $40,000

WHAT A "PURPLE HELMETED PULSATING WARRIOR" MEANS?

HINT!

IT'S SO STIFF AND HARD AND HAS WHITE STUFF CUMMING OUT WHEN IT GETS RUBBED!

WHOSE THE LUCKY WINNER!?

It is absolutely amazing how brainless the voters of Ohio and Texas were that voted for Hillary (destroy the party) Clinton. Is there anyone out there who can not see the devious way the Clinton's play politics. Has everyone forgotton Kathy Wiley and Juanita Broderick, Paula Jones. Visits to the Lincoln bedroom for donations. Travelgate, troopergate, Marc Rich pardon. Sorry to say my fellow american's are so busy watching Jerry Springer and playing video games, that their brains are fried that they cannot see that the Clinton's are souless people that politics are their god and are without any moral decency. Who will say and do anything to get a vote. Am I the only one who see's the Clinton's as they truly are?

CAN ANYONE TELL ME.....

FOR $40,000

WHAT A "PURPLE HELMETED PULSATING WARRIOR" MEANS?

HINT!

IT'S SO STIFF AND HARD AND HAS WHITE STUFF CUMMING OUT WHEN IT GETS RUBBED!

WHOSE THE LUCKY WINNER!?

CAN ANYONE TELL ME.....

FOR $40,000

WHAT A "PURPLE HELMETED PULSATING WARRIOR" MEANS?

HINT!

IT'S SO STIFF AND HARD AND HAS WHITE STUFF CUMMING OUT WHEN IT GETS RUBBED!

WHOSE THE LUCKY WINNER!?

CAN ANYONE TELL ME.....

FOR $40,000

WHAT A "PURPLE HELMETED PULSATING WARRIOR" MEANS?

HINT!

IT'S SO STIFF AND HARD AND HAS WHITE STUFF CUMMING OUT WHEN IT GETS RUBBED!

WHOSE THE LUCKY WINNER!?

She going to try to steal it , Bush Lite 2.0

CAN ANYONE TELL ME.....

FOR $40,000

WHAT A "PURPLE HELMETED PULSATING WARRIOR" MEANS?

HINT!

IT'S SO STIFF AND HARD AND HAS WHITE STUFF CUMMING OUT WHEN IT GETS RUBBED!

WHOSE THE LUCKY WINNER!?

I think the redo is a great idea. The Florida and Michigan Dems screwed up badly in forcing the issue. They should all be fired immediately.

But a redo would be the smartest and best option at this time. And there isn't much time left to do it.

My guess is that it would cost $20 or $30 million to run a primary. Not a huge sum given the stakes and impportance of the issues. The voters in the affected states would LOVE the chance.

Of course, if the redos are approved and Clinton lost either of them, she'd probably sue that the original votes should have prevailed...

Again, the Florida and Michigan state Dems are at fault. They have a collective IQ of about 100.

The DNC and party leaders need to end this disaster NOW! Clearly Obama has an overwhelming lead in pledged delegates, so much so that it is insurmountable and impossible for Hillary to catch up no matter what she wins. The superdelegates need to support the candidate with the most pledged delegates, the most most states and the most votes, that would be Obama.

And as to the question of inexperience, he has plenty of it. Come November he will have 12 years of experience as an elected official to Hillary's 8. The media just lets Clinton have her way without reporting the truth. The truth is that Obama was a state senator for 8 years and by November, a U.S. senator for 4. Hillary, by November will have 8 years as a U.S. senator. Obama has MORE EXPERIENCE and he has GOOD JUDGMENT!

Stop the insanity! Stop the misinformation! Stop replaying Clinton Press Releases as if they were news releases!!

MI and FL should be delighted to vote again. They moved up in the calendar in order to have more influence on the race. As we see now all the states that voted early have not made the difference. Going later this time may have the greatest effect. They should vote again. This time they will have the influence they originally wanted.

Glad to see you democrats spending enormous amounts of money slapping each other around...

Go ahead and practice falling down a few times, then call McCain to finish off the job. HAHAHAHAHA

So my party (Democratic) agrees to the rules and then decide to change them after the fact? Any revote in either state will favor Hillary which makes me sick!

Due to this disaster, I will vote McCain.

Here are the facts for both DEM or REP on the Florida primary date change:

Primary sponsor of the bill 537 to change primary date was Jeremy Ring DEM Margate.

The bill passed the legislation committee and all 4 of the DEMS on that committee.

The vote passes in the FL Senate with only 2 no votes, both REPS,

In the FL House it passes with only one no vote - DEM Seiler out of Palm Beach.

So you see, it was not a right wing conspiracy as you guys like to always point out.

The difference is that the REPS did not boycott FL and made the votes actually count (what a concept).

Go to flsenate.gov and type in bill #537. You can see the vote history on the bill for your fact check.

Now please, who disenfranchised whom???

Another Primary? Let's redo anything that we do not like.
Let's redo the Superbowl, World Series, my SAT's hell how about my marriage or that hot date I had in college.
If the Democrats do not follow their own rules and again cheat then the hell with the American Political System and armed insurrection revolution should break out to overthrow this entire system.
The political system of America will be tranparently corrupt.

Nice, Jeff

There's always money in the banana stand

The Democrat party needs to get a hammer and chisle and cut some new rocks with the rules for a party that makes some sense. This is 2008, Mr. Dean. The present method for nominating a candidate is a big mess and needs to be fixed!

Contrary to all the talking points, only the Clinton supporters are whining about being disenfranchised in Florida.

In the end, Hillary will not want a revote because she knows she has a good chance of losing if Obama gets to campaign. Her best case scenario is it'll be close and she won't gain any more delegates.

She's going to continue to claim that those earlier votes should count hoping there will be enough suckers to agree with her.

Fat chance Hillary, revote or nothing.

the united states of hillary clinton ,just because she is being defeated and well behind the dems have to kiss her a***s ,this is not democracy
welcome to the new dictatorship the (ushc)

Jon Boy,
Stop embarrassing us conservatives with your juvenile name-calling. While we may have differing opinions on how our government should be run, we must not become so frustrated that we resort to unproductive bickering as demonstrated in your comment. Please take a seat and realize that we can disagree and still be civil.

Jon Boy posted:
Howard Dean is a complete idiot and I am so glad he runs the DNC. The Democratic Party is a Joke so please continue to make complete fools of yourselves as we conservatives love to watch this complete insanity that you clowns continue to perpetuate and watch you self destruct.
Het HOWARD what a great leader!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There are two ways to deal with the Florida and Michigan delegates: 1. split them evenly (Costs nothing. I don't understand why this can't be done.) 2. have Javier Bardem do a coin toss (see No Country for Old Men)...also no cost.

Remember, Florida...when re-voting put the square block in the square hole...not the round one...it wont count if it doesnt go all the way through!

Obama supporters could have written in Obama in MI and FL.
Count as it is.

Hey, "Big Brain," the DNC brought this upon themself, they decided to add a caucus and primary after IA and NH but before Super Tuesday. They chose to two less-than-significant states, and Florida -- pretty important in 2000 -- rightly thought we should have as much importance in primaries as Iowa.

If you want the truth, read the facts, if, that is, you have any room in your big brain for facts.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/

"We The People" run our government, not some unnamed people in smoke filled rooms. Democracy does not mean "political parties."

Get it?

Obama wants to end "influence peddling" in government. Perhaps he should have said this to Rezko and Auchi?

If you don't know the facts about Obama, Rezko and Auchi, you'd better do some research...

1) Obama won't wear an American flag lapel pin while running for President of the US?

2) Obama won't put his hand over his heart for the National Anthem or Pledge of Allegiance while running for President of the US?

3) Pay attention to Rezko and Auchi...

Yikes - who is going to pay for it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71v_16Pwa2o

Yikes - who is going to pay for it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71v_16Pwa2o

Why would anyone think that the Florida and Michigan State Democratic leaders are at fault? It was the national DNC who decided the votes of Michigan and Florida voters shouldn't count, not state leaders. Howard Dean and his entire DNC committee should resign for disenfranchising voters and creating this mess.

8 years as First Lady entitles this self important witch to "ANSWER THE RED PHONE." As for Carpet Bagging her way to New York Senator, I'm not aware that she has made any National Security decision other than the one she made to vote to bomb the crap out of Iraq. I guess, by that argument, Laura Bush could run for President since she has been first lady for almost 8 years and likely supported hubby George's decision to invade Iraq.

Just the same old same old for the Democrat Pa