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McCain Moves On Torture?

11 Apr 2008 12:07 am

Time wonders whether John McCain has changed his views on torture. They've obtained a 2005 draft of legislation McCain was planning to introduce that would have required all components of the U.S. governments to adhere to the interrogation standards set by the Army Field Manual.

These days, McCain follows the direction of the director of the CIA, Mike Hayden, who argues that the field manual's list of techniques is necessarily limited. Rank and file soldiers can't be expected to learn to interrogate prisoners with the same effectiveness as trained interrogators; it doesn't make sense to limit specialists in interrogation to general techniques that every soldier is required to assimilate.

McCain (and Hayden) still seem to the draw line at torture: the specific techniques are subject to intensive legal review and anything that strikes McCain as torturous -- and he clearly has a broader definition of torture than the Bush Administration -- would still be prohibited.

Comments (6)

What's tortured is the Time article. It comes down to saying that McCain has flipflopped but fundamentally not changed, that he has allowed the CIA to use torture but that he is against torture, and that the press cannot write about McCain's policies without seeking excuses for him - mostly of the kind, "He said this but he doesn't really believe it", or "He voted for this but he actually wants the opposite".

I don't get this from Marc's post: "McCain (and Hayden) still seem to the draw line at torture." They do?

What do you call torture? Isn't that what this is all about? Isn't that exactly why Congress wants to define and delimit allowed interrrogation techniques - and why Hayden by contrast wants a fuzzy situation where anything goes as long as it is followed by a president's pompous and meaningless phrase "the US does not use torture"?

I vividly remember an Army officer skewering Hayden's "rank and file soldiers can't be expected to learn to interrogate prisoners with the same effectiveness as trained interrogators" horseshit in a congressional hearing - by basically saying that their interrogators were vastly more experienced than the CIA torturers, and that no interrogator worthy of his trade would ever consider torture.

McCain's gotta fall in line now that he's the nominee. Doesn't want to tick off the torture-loving Right...

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If McCain has any balls he will stop flipping and flopping on issues like gays and torture. McCain is nothing but Bush Version-2.

McCain is not only a very old man who has become desparate to become president but he is also a fake.

During an early Republican debate McCain strongly and simply opposed torture, to boos. Based on this, he was the only Republican for whom I'd consider voting. And then this, of all issues, is where he waffles.

I vividly remember an Army officer skewering Hayden's "rank and file soldiers can't be expected to learn to interrogate prisoners with the same effectiveness as trained interrogators" horseshit in a congressional hearing - by basically saying that their interrogators were vastly more experienced than the CIA torturers, and that no interrogator worthy of his trade would ever consider torture.
Posted by wvng

Probably the officer you referenced was just a JAG lawyer, not a real line officer working in military intelligence.

The field manual was written for ordinary soldiers happening on an enemy in the field or in a field camp right off the battlefield, not true professional interrogators. So Hayden has a good point. And there is a ton of new high tech equipment and complex psychology now employed in the interrogation field that requires advanced degrees the average Marine or infantryman lacks, therefore cannot utilize.

For example? There is a particular technique measuring changes in pupil and eyelid muscle characteristics that utilizes computers and a range of sensors that hopefully works semi-reliably in noting changes between truth and lying (that is the equipment manufacturers and advanced medical people's claim). You don't train every person in boot camp on something it takes intensive training and pre-existing medical knowledge to use. So it obviously won't be in any field manual, but it is not torture and it may be a highly valuable addition to getting info from Islamist terrorists.