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Obama Responds To Criticism

11 Apr 2008 06:42 pm

Republicans sense an opportunity in the developing storm over Barack Obama's remarks.

His comments have been distributed to allies on Capitol Hill, to members of the Pennsylvania press corps, to talk radio hosts across the country, to Republican state parties and to the congressional campaign committees. The National Republican Congressional Committee is using the statement to whack Chris Carney, a vulnerable frosh member of congress from Pennsylvania. ((Note: contrary to an earlier sentence, he is neutral.))

Tommy Vietor, a campaign spokesman, was designated to give what the Obama campaign wants you to believe is a "ah, it's not a big deal" response:

"Senator Obama has said many times in this campaign that Americans are understandably upset with their leaders in Washington for saying anything to win elections while failing to stand up to the special interests and fight for an economic agenda that will bring jobs and opportunity back to struggling communities. And if John McCain wants a debate about who's out of touch with the American people, we can start by talking about the tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans that he once said offended his conscience but now wants to make permanent,”

Positively Axelrodian.

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John McCain's campaign is attacking Barack Obama for Obama's rather indisputable comments about the rise of anti-immigrant fervor in small town America. Obama said that the rise of such fervor has a lot to do with bitterness.
But wait - didn't John McCain say something similar in December to the New Yorker?

Anti-immigrant passion also owes much to the disproportionate influence of a few small states in the nominating process. National polls show that, as an issue, immigration is far behind the Iraq war, terrorism, the economy, and health care as a concern to most Americans; a recent Pew poll shows that, nationally, only six per cent of voters offer immigration as the most important issue facing the country. But in Iowa and South Carolina, two of the three most important early states, it is a top concern for the Republicans who are most likely to vote.
"It's the influx of illegals into places where they've never seen a Hispanic influence before," McCain told me. "You probably see more emotion in Iowa than you do in Arizona on this issue. I was in a town in Iowa, and twenty years ago there were no Hispanics in the town. Then a meatpacking facility was opened up. Now twenty per cent of their population is Hispanic. There were senior citizens there who were-'concerned' is not the word. They see this as an assault on their culture, what they view as an impact on what have been their traditions in Iowa, in the small towns in Iowa. So you get questions like 'Why do I have to punch 1 for English?' 'Why can't they speak English?' It's become larger than just the fact that we need to enforce our borders."

Sure, it's not exactly the same, but it's pretty darn similar. In fact, McCain seems to be saying something far more controversial. While Obama is saying economic hardship breeds anti-immigrant feelings, McCain is saying lots of rural people just hate Hispanics. That may or may not be true - but the fact that McCain's campaign is feigning outrage over Obama's truisms when their own candidate has made thematically similar statements strikes me as...what's the word...oh yeah - dishonest.

How can Obama claim that he isn't one of the politicians who will "say anything to win elections" while he bashes free-trade in public and laments "anti-trade sentiment" during private fundraisers or conversations with Austan Goolsbee?

Is this a big deal?

He talked about people falling through the cracks and being pissed about it.

Being promised change and it never comes.

I don't think either his description or the explanation of some people's anger is out of line.

Would the proper description a la Clinton be that everyone in Pennsylvania and Michigan are just happy to work away like Santa's elves without any concern for their well being?

When all is said and done, Obama comes out ahead again on this one.

Come on, Marc, it's Friday -- get a weekend (or a life) and stop trying to make news where there is none.

P.S. Please keep your pissy little personal problems with Barack Obama and David Axelrod to yourself. It's neither news nor analysis -- it's really not.

And with this, Marc goes the way of MyDD to the dust pin of my internet history.

It took me about half an hour to figure out how/why people were making a big deal about this. You're going to have to work harder to find a gotcha on Obama.

And when McCain's campaign official is a telecom lobbyist, I really fail to see how Obama is going to lose any populist footing anytime soon.

What's the problem with this comment? Are McCain (and Hillary too, it seems) actually going to argue that people are happy with the Bush economy?

What Obama really said is now taken out of context by Camp clinton who are so desperate….
Full transcript of Obama’s coment:

OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it’s fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre…they’re misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to white working-class don’t wanna work — don’t wanna vote for the black guy. That’s…there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it’s sort of a race thing.

Here’s how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn’t buy it. And when it’s delivered by — it’s true that when it’s delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism.

But — so the questions you’re most likely to get about me, ‘Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What is the concrete thing?’ What they wanna hear is so we’ll give you talking points about what we’re proposing — to close tax loopholes, uh you know uh roll back the tax cuts for the top 1%, Obama’s gonna give tax breaks to uh middle-class folks and we’re gonna provide healthcare for every American.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you’ll find is, is that people of every background — there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you’ll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I’d be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you’re doing what you’re doing.

This just fleshes out what a lot of "liberals" see as being wrong with Middle America. It's a view that is somewhat flawed, but certainly a better picture than the utopia portrayed by Republicans. But Obama will have a problem getting past thoughts like this in the general.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Wow, that full transcript really puts it all into perspective - Obama was actually defending the people of rural Pennsylvania against charges of rasicm! Thanks for posting it, stan.

If Obama's quite unremarkable remarks become an "issue," there truly is no hope for America.

Does the reluctance of the Obama campaign to make Obama available to the gay press...as written about in Politico this week... have anything to do with the potentially explosive story of Larry Sinclair, and the Obama campaign's desire to avoid dealing with related questions?

http://bigheaddc.com/category/larry-sinclair/

http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/

This story has received no main stream press coverage, yet, but if there is any substance to it it will come out, and would be devastating to Obama in a General Election.

Sinclair seems like a nut to me, but then that would probably be a prerequisite for the activities he describes.

Could you imagine the Main Stream Media sitting on this story if there were similar allegations, and a federal court case, involving McCain or Clinton? They've reported more scurilous rumors about Hillary at the drop of a hat...e.g. her assistant Huma.

I've read that the LA Times is one of those news organizations that has been working this story, but has been too afraid of the potential blowback the NY Times got for their McCain lobbyist story.

According to CNN, Obama's going to give a speech tonight about his comments.

Prediction: he will give a history of manufacturing in America, the percentage of the work force employed, the decline in that percentage, and the reasons for the blue collar worker's frustration. He will then forgive them all for being bitter.

Everything else, he'll blame on grandma.

Anyone who 'doesn't get' what the fuss is about on this one is someone who is probably capable of saying the exact same thing in the exact same words. It's like 'not getting' what the fuss is all about when a white person uses the 'N-word'.

I can understand whay some people could be offended by his comment but overall it is truthful. I mean how else do explain Dubya ever getting elected.

How about addressing the taxpayers' paying the bills of a $100 million couple?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9531.html

Sure, it's not exactly the same, but it's pretty darn similar.

Actually, it's a lot worse, in my opinion. McCain is demonizing immigrants to get the votes of small town America. That's called demogogery. It's also called exploiting the deep wells of xenophobia in this country for political gain.

That is not at all what Obama was doing.

Barack Obama is too black.
Barack Obama is not black enough.

Barack Obama is a Muslim.
Barack Obama is a radical black activist Christian.
Barack Obama belittles religion.

Barack Obama is lucky to be black.
Barack Obama can't win outside the black states.

Barack Obama can't win because he's not patriotic enough.
Barack Obama's "USA" chanting crowd is a cult.

CNN, MSNBC, FOX, Politico, ABC, CBS (I forgot they existed until the Bosnia story) - can you stop spinning long enough to tell me clearly which awful person Barack Obama is? Can you make up your mind which thing about Barack Obama we're supposed to be scared of?

Unbelievable. This clown suggests that small-town Americans are essentially ignorant hayseeds who are religious, believe the Second Amendment actually means something, and think that uncontrolled illegal immigration is a real problem not out of any real conviction, but rather due to bitterness and political and economic despair. And people here think this claim is indisputably true to the point of being unremarkable.

BC,

You're ignorant if you think that religious fundamentalism hasn't been used to win votes, gun rights have been relegated to a rather minor issue that Republicans will stump on but ultimately not worry about, and that certain groups of people against illegal immigration AREN'T against it due to strong convictions, but merely due to a xenophobic hatred of the 'other' that runs strong in many right-wing politics. (Blacks, Muslims, illegal immigrants...)

There's nothing wrong about Obama's view of the small town American, but it's dangerous to generalize people the way he does. I'm from a small town and actually resent his implications that we are xenophobic-gun-toting bigots. It's not a big deal, but he should understand it's okay to 101 government and world issues, but when it comes to the American people, he should stay clear of generalities. Even I know that. Barak has to be careful next time; he'll learn as time goes on. He's smart but needs a few more wisdom notches.

There's nothing wrong about Obama's view of the small town American, but it's dangerous to generalize people the way he does. I'm from a small town and actually resent his implications that we are xenophobic-gun-toting bigots. It's not a big deal, but he should understand it's okay to 101 government and world issues, but when it comes to the American people, he should stay clear of generalities. Even I know that. Barak has to be careful next time; he'll learn as time goes on. He's smart but needs a few more wisdom notches.

OK, help me out here, please:

What does "Axelrodian" mean?

Pathetic goalpost-moving, LnGrrrR. Yes, yes, there are undoubtedly people in the country for whom religion, guns, economic isolationism, and xenophobia are outlets for their bitterness and/or relief valves for their financial frustrations. But that wasn't what Obama said. He made a sweeping generalization about people in small-town America, suggesting that all of them are, as Kent puts it, xenophobic gun-toting bigots.

If in defending Obama you try to tell me that what he said was absolutely true, you're as much of an elitist ass as he is.

Kelly, I guess we can rule Christian out.

Read his books, he's a Marxist.

Check his Illinois record, how did he vote, when did he vote, on what, what didn't he vote on, and why. Not his website, the ill.gov site.

Go to the Sun Times and Chicago Tribune archives.

You have no idea who you're getting. Trust me.

Kelly, I guess we can rule Christian out.

Read his books, he's a Marxist.

So were the Apostles and the early Christians.


Acts of the Apostles

(New Revised Standard version)

4:32 Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common.

4:34 There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold.

4:35 They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.

BC,

I'd like you to point out where in his speech Obama says "all" small town Americans.

He refers to a nebulous 'they'. It can be assumed it means 'all', or it can be assumed to mean that there are a group of people, the 'they', that ARE bitter.

Are you stating that you assumed Obama would imply every small town in Pennsylvania is intolerant, bigoted, bible thumping NRA xenophobes?

Really, which seems more ridiculous... that Obama referred to some bitter people without specific clarification, or that he painted that label over the whole state with one broad swipe?

Steve J,

How dare you use logic re: religion? Don't you know Jesus was a warrior? And a capitalist? Sheesh.

I live in Chicago and voted for Obama for Senate (just look who he was running against), but I'm originally from a very small town in Downstate Illinois. Obama's attitude as evidenced in his statement is typical "big city" prejudice against people from outside major metro areas. In Chicago, this means anyone south of Kankakee or west of Aurora. The viewpoint can be summed up as "If you're not from Chicagoland - preferably the 312 area code- then obviously, you're an uneducated and misinformed hick whose opinions don't matter".

How can he unite the country if he can't even see past the Cook county line?

LnGrrrR: I just felt the earth lurch from the amount of spinning you're engaged in. The absence of the word "all" doesn't make what he said less of a wild, and wildly wrong, generalization.

But by all means, continue to make an ass of yourself by pretending otherwise.

I am from a small town in the mid-west. I am very conservative. Conservatives beleive the economy is largely ok. The only reason it is faltering a little is because people with money are afraid dems will get in office and raise the price of everything by pumping taxes up.
Sounds like Barack Hussien is projecting here about the xenophobia; he is the one calling people from small towns names and generalizing about them. People in the mid-west are loving, friendly, helpful people. We don't talk much about what color or race some one is because we aren't interested in these demarcations that the real xenophobes like Obamessiah keep trotting out and explaining.
Liberals are more religious than mid-west hicks; G.K.Chesterton said, "When people stop beleiving in God they do not start beleiving in nothing; they believe anything." Anthropogenic Global Warming anyone?
Yes we like our guns and our 'castle' laws. We understand you liberals are not big on allowing people to own property; Kelo?
Liberals are always taking stuff away from you; they raise taxes, they say you cannot smoke in the city limits, they want to search your house for your guns so they can take them, they are against free markets and free trade, they mock the religious, the have no respect for anyone who doesn't talk like they do.
No one is more bossy or xenophobic than the 'typical left-coast liberal'

from swimming freestyle:

"This video is exactly how Obama should have raised the issue: In the environment these voters live and with an appropriate anger. Rural working class voters have gotten the shaft. They have every right to be frustrated and even bitter about what's happened to them.

Obama now finds himself having to address the issue defensively, Unfortunately, the issue will now likely be obscured by the hysterical anti-Obama rants by the Clintons and McCains. Obama gave them that gift when he spoke in San Francisco last weekend."

http://swimmingfreestyle.typepad.com

BC

Ah, so if I were to say the sentence, "They have some ice cream", certainly, I mean the entire world. Thank you for clarifying that.

Ups! I slipped. Sorry Pennsylvanians.

So what about the sniper in Bosnia?
So what about Hillary being fired when she was 27 for being a liar & cheater?
So what about her NAFTA lies?
So what about Peter PAul
So what About Vince Foster

None of this has been answered

It is time it will be answered, the press is not getting in to this yet they wait till after she loses PA. BO will walk over MCWAR so the only thing left for the press is Clinton bashing.....

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