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Obama's "Gaffe:" Some Perspective

11 Apr 2008 09:24 pm

We're dealing tonight with a classic Kinsleyian "gaffe," where a candidate says what he means and then is forced to account for it. Let's separate, for the moment, the politics of Obama's words from the argument he is making.

At his San Francisco fundraiser, Obama was sketching out a variation of the Thomas Frank argument about working class voters who seem to choose candidates whose policies cut against their economic interest. In Obama's version, working class voters in the Midwest have been inured to promises of economic redress because both Democrats and Republicans promise to help and never do; since government is a source of distress in their lives, they organize their politics around more stable institutions, like churches or cultural practices, like hunting. The outlet for their economic duress is in lashing out, in giving voice to their grievances; In Obama's formulation, Republicans are especially eager and willing to exploit cultural trigger points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

There is some truth to this. Even John McCain has expressed a similar sentiment about immigration politics.

But the perilous words for Obama are "bitter," "cling to," "guns" and "religion." Those disinclined to put themselves in Obama's head will read the sentences and see Obama dismissing both religion and American gun culture the opiates of the masses and suggesting that their faith and lifestyle are the product of their bitterness. Voters may believe that one's position on cultural issues is a better reflection of their inner values than one's position on economics.

The substance of what Obama said has the makings of a very good Firing Line broadcast. (Alas...)

The elite media and most Democrats will say... "yeah.. .So? Obama is simply describing world as we know it." His opponents and people who are inclined to view Obama as an elitist will say, "he is dismissing the culture and religion of working class whites."

Indeed, the responses to Obama's words have proven (to Obama allies) a part of his argument. Conservatives are already portraying Obama as liberal, elite, out of touch with the values of ordinary Americans -- exactly the type of legerdemain that Obama was pointing to.

So there's a debate to be had about substance.

But the politics are unquestionably dangerous for a candidate whose appeal depends on him transcending traditional political adjectives like "liberal" or "elite."

Despite his working class upbringing, Obama's hyperconfidence sometimes translates as holier-than-thou, elitist, aristocratic, Dukakis-esque. Republicans know that these attributes aren't popular in middle America, so they will use every opportunity to remind independents and moderates about them.

Obama's professorial disquisition at a fundraiser reinforces in real time these stereotypes. And the complexity of his subject matter does not lend itself to an easy response.

One bright spot for Obama: his campaign's response to the story was quick and strong. Obama himself extemporaneously incorporated a defense of his remarks about an hour and a half after the story broke; the Obama campaign sent reporters examples of similar comments made by Hillary Clinton; the campaign entrusted Tommy Vietor, a mid-level spokesman, to give its official response; had a more senior campaign official given the response, it would have conveyed panic.

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Comments (130)

isn't a Kinseyian gaffe where a candidate accidently says something TRUE and that's what gets him in trouble. Accidently saying something you mean is just a gaffe.

I'm sure, Marc, that you worked really hard on this analysis. But it was obsoleted by the video one post down. Better just to let the sunk costs go.

As with the Rev. Wright brouhaha, based on Obama's swift and powerful response, I think this will be another opportunity for Obama to pivot off of what seems like a liability or misstep and actually grow stronger and (dare I say) transcend the situation by talking honestly about the wedge-issue crappola that Americans have been besieged by in the age of Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton.

I think this is the kind of thing that'll be forgotten in a couple of days. Obama, smartly, focuses on the "bitterness" formulation, rather than the religion and guns part of it. If he keeps talking about how the working class have every reason to be bitter and cynical about politicians, this will defuse.

The larger problem, again, is overconfidence and the tendency to get into lengthy, ad hoc meditations about the nature of different demographic groups. Offering deep insights into the human condition is a strength of Obama's, but he ought to leave to to books and big set piece speeches (as in the Philadelphia race speech). One inartful turn of the phrase ("typical white person", "cling to...") and you ignite a cable-TV faux outrage firestorm.

Sure, he's such a good politician that he limits the damage. But if he can down on the meta, it'll focus his message better with the working class voters that he's going after. Obama, in many ways, is the Jackie Robinson of presidential politics, and so he has to meet a higher threshold than other politicians when it comes to a lot of issues like discussing demographic tendencies.

I think this is a huge positive opportunity for Obama to convince small town voters to prioritize their economics over their culture:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/11/204530/918/268/494012

It's a really ballsy line of argument.

But I think it can and will work in this economic climate.

Why is it that so many have to explain "what Obama really meant" everytime he says something dumb, insulting, and/or a gift to the GOP?

Is he 5 years old? Not able to speak clearly? I think not.

Obama just spent a week pandering to the very same voters he just painted as bitter and as turning to God, guns, and gays because they lost their jobs and are lied to by politicians. What's worse--he was speaking to millionaires in San Francisco at a fundraiser while he did it. Do they have faith for any other reasons-- like Obama does? He thinks not. Do they have guns for the reasons Obama says. He says not.

He knows why they value certain things. He couldn't be more condescending if he tried.

Not for me. I am a south central Pennsylvanian and feel no anger toward Obama, I agree with him. I am bitter at Bush's lies and the federal government as a whole. In fact, I am more angry at the national media's handling of this. Am I bitter? Your damn right, and that is why I made up my mind to vote for Obama.

Mark, Shippensburg, PA

Obama, smartly, focuses on the "bitterness" formulation, rather than the religion and guns part of it....

Exactly! As with the Wright problem, Obama can just say he was unaware of those controversial comments.

from swimming freestyle:

"Barack Obama is a remarkably eloquent man and turning into a remarkably capable politician. But if the Senator believes it's smart to insult voters from a state critical to your success, he's hit one of the worst false notes yet in his campaign.

Yeah, I know what his campaign said, and that may have been what he meant. But a sophisticated candidate doesn't refer to voters in language that can be construed as derogatory or insulting. Obama asserted Pennsylvania voters are bitter and so simple and lacking in maturity and intelligence that they address their frustration by clinging to primitive and reactionary crutches rather than addressing their problems in constructive ways.

It's divisive. And not the way to attract the voters you need most."

http://swimmingfreestyle.typepad.com

Here's a link to a fuller transcript w/ audio. To me, there's one thing that sticks out like a sore thumb.

Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama (laugher), then that adds another layer of skepticism (laughter).

I just have one question, when Obama feels all of these Ohio and Pennsylvania voters are 'more skeptical' toward a "46-year-old black man" what exactly is he saying is the cause? And what are the millionaire's laughing about?

Obama is absolutely correct not to apologize for these comments. The Clinton & McCain camps will try and make hay, but by going on the offensive he forces the media to listen and actually report his comments in more context that is favorable to him.

His quick response in the speech seen in the other thread is a pretty powerful rejoinder.

Obama's comments are the verbal companion to his bowling debacle. His visits to small town America look more like a child in a zoo for the first time than a politician campaigning.

Obama supporters can dress this up as much as they'd like, but what it boils down to is how it's heard, which they have no control over (as smart as they believe they are). Millions of small town Americans are scratching their heads tonight, wondering why a major presidential candidate is calling them despondent, violent God-freaks.

RH Potfry may speak truth but what those same voters should be wondering is, now that we know the Clintons are worth over $100 million, why are we taxpayers subsidizing their lifestyle?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9531.html

He wanted this. Period. You may try to interpret this as a gaffe, or as a "mis-spoken" set of words... but this is Barack Hussein Obama. He will never win as a conventional candidate. He will not win safe. He is picking these fights... I am convinced of this now. He picked the Wright fight, at his time, and on his term. He is picking the "what's the matter with Kansas" fight now, at this time, on his terms. He's picking these times during the best time for him (the 6 week campaign before Pennsylvania) and he's making speeches about them. This is the best politician since Reagan, who we're watching right now, period. Like him or not, you have to concede this point. I am an Obama supporter, and I thought, oh, he'll say these words were a misquote, there is not tape of him saying this, they were taken out of context. But when I got home and I saw what he actually said in response... seriously, no delay, not even a day... in 2 hours he had a response ready, on comments quoted from ONE WEEK AGO. The fix was in on this... he was just waiting to unleash. The debate is now framed. Come one, let's give the guy his due...

"Obama's hyperconfidence sometimes translates as holier-than-thou..."

Oh, does it, Marc? Honestly I feel like I'm watching this blog that I've enjoyed thoroughly all primary season just disintegrating into hackery before my eyes.

Stick to your core competency, which is telling us things we don't know. Whenever you feel the need to explain to us how Obama's hyperconfidence translates (to people other than yourself) just stuff it and make some more phone calls.

It's laudable that you devote so much time and so many words to explaining what Obama meant. I always believe in full context, explanations, meanings, and background. But, I just have to ask: Why can't you extend this same level of scrupulousness to Hillary Clinton? Why are her sentences spliced and diced and carefully arranged, and his words get a complete literary deconstruction with footnotes? Please, Marc, think about this, and give an answer. I'd love to hear it. And so would Bill Clinton).

So this is what our political discourse has come to: While the Earth is heating up like a poaching egg, and billions of people are starving, slaughtering one another and fooling around with nuclear weapons, Marc Ambinder is hyperventilating over the possibility that a presidential candidate said something that could possibly be construed as condescending to people in small towns in Pennsylvania. The alternative candidates are (a) a senile right-wing maniac who wants to bomb foreign countries for spite and (b) a pair of corrupt narcissists no longer able to distinguish between truth and fantasy, collecting zillions of dollars to promote the interests of anyone who pays enough. I'm glad you can see through all this, Marc, to home in on the really, really important question: a possible slight to the sensibilities of Edna in Upper Turkeyfoot.

"I just have one question, when Obama feels all of these Ohio and Pennsylvania voters are 'more skeptical' toward a "46-year-old black man" what exactly is he saying is the cause? And what are the millionaire's laughing about"

Obama is saying that "typical white persons" like his Grandmother and rural Pennsylvanians are rubes and racists.

The Millionaires are laughing at the rural Pennsylvanians who believe in Jesus Christ and have the temerity to own guns, when they should instead be hiring their own private alarm company with armed response, like they do.

Phillygirl epitomizes the thinking that will put John McCain in the White House. In a landslide.

Yet she can't understand why.

I completely agree, Joc. He says race isn't the reason white blue collar workers may not vote for him. But if that's true, why would it matter whether or not his message was delivered by a "46 year old black man named Barack Obama." He completely contradicts himself. And I heard the tape. The California donors laughed and got the joke Obama was trying to convey, which I think is obvious -- white provincial voters may not be able to relate to a black man with such a diverse background. For all the talk about how articulate Obama is, I find his logic sometimes fuzzy and half-baked.

Obama is exactly correct. People are angry.

And he is correct in that the GOP always tries to get voters to focus on the trivial to overlook the really important issues. That is how we get into a useless war for the wrong reasons, and how we get into an economy that is slip sliding away.

So if you want real solutions and a person who tackles the hard problems go with Obama.

If you want more war and a faltering economy, go with either McCain or Hillary. I include Hillary because it is so apparent that Hillary has now allied herself with the very "right wing attack machine" that she used to criticize. In fact, I hold more against Hillary. I expect this garbage from the GOP, but for a Clinton, of all people, to stoop to this level is beyond belief.

Ok, but Obama didn't attach anything negative to these folks holding onto their religion and other cultural tenets, like guns, as support.

In fact, Obama probably see them as being positive - as he too found strength in his Christian faith.

But, there's know doubt that some also grasp onto negative tenets like being anti-immigration (like we saw in '07) or anti-gay marriage (like we saw in '04).

Phillygirl, while the earth was poaching and millions were starving, did you pay no heed to Hillary's miscues as you suggest we do to Obama's? Or did you revel in the firestorms and ignore the ones threatening our planet? Judging by the bile you show for Hillary -- surely the result of a few of those storms -- I suspect the latter.

What Obama meant, and what he could have voiced more clearly, is that politicians exploit issues like guns and homosexuality and religion as wedges to divide people and distract them from real issues. He is indeed echoing Thomas Franks' argument that a lot of Americans have been duped into voting against their own best interests. I think the voters get what Obama is saying, and aren't nearly as bothered by his comments as the gasbags who pass for media in this country.

Obama and other socialists like him cannot understand why some people focus on non-material things. He promises to bribe the rubes with a few more taxpayer dollars. The rubes are rightly skeptical of these promises, as many politicans of both parties have promised to bribe them with their own money before - and though the rubes may not all have Ivy League degrees, many of them have sufficient common sense an/or memory to understand how that story will end. The rubes also know that, in return for his largess, Obama is asking them to give up a few tiny, trivial things - the tenets of their faith, their guns, the culture that they grew up with and their sense of independence and self-worth - things that, once lost, cannot be reacquired, except at a ruinous price. To Obama, those are all outmoded things, and why would any sane person not want to exchange that bunk for a bigger check from Uncle Sam?

The Dems can certainly win if the economy is bad enough and the media beats the drum high enough, since there is an understadable voter instinct to throw the bums out and try some new bums, but if Obama does win it will be in spite of himself.

Eagleeye,
I think the gasbags are just intellectually unable to cover a different kind of campaign...a different kind of candidate. Political blogs may be a 21st century advent, but they're trapped in the ways of 20th century reporting. Ambinder included.

Yeah, Obama insults the middle class cause he had everything handed to him!

Oh wait. He didn't? He earned a law degree? Pfffft that can't be true, because the MSM just told me he's an intalekshual, and therefore he can't know anything about middle class workers. Nope. It's one or the other.

Goodness.

Obama had it exactly right. We in middle America are frustrated. Probably not exactly in the ways he invisions. I am frustrated in both Dems and Reps. I have had enough of an ever growing bloated government that constantly costs more in taxes and delivers less. I have had enough of the Spitzers and Foleys and Bill Clintons. I grow weary of illegal immigrants and sanctuary cities and efforts at comprehensive immigration reform. I am fed up of the Jacksons and Sharptons and Jeremiah Wrights telling me the err of my ways. This November I'll hold my nose and vote for McCain, but Barry is right, there are alot of frustrated folks out in Middle America.

Tell the marxist nut at his next rally:

We are very proud of our heritage, we are proud of who we are. We are not frustrated. We are not bitter. We love this nation. We turn to our faith because we believe, and we hunt and fish because it is part of our culture and we enjoy it.

And until you let that filter thru your disdain for small town America, you will not ever get to lead us.

So take your black liberation theory, Harvard elitism, and anti-white snobbery back to Trinity where it is accepted and leave this great nation to strive on.

Good riddance to a disaster waiting to happen.


You sure are right about the "elite" media (gee, the "elite" media isn't elitist too are they?) and the Dems not even being aware that looking down on Middle America as being a problem. They think it's normal but just needs to be kept in the closet during election season (another form of condescension).

Hillary is going to hit him hard for this and I've heard she has something else coming down the line.

By the way, what's the latest on Obama and William Ayers?

What about the Che flags in his offices?

The Marxist rhetoric, the anti Semitic friends, the far left voting record, the desire to meet with America's enemies yet know example of WHAT to talk to them about, the pledge to raise taxes, his wife's contempt for this country and on and on.

Why does ANYONE who isn't a hard lefty wanna vote for this guy?

It's nice to see the apologists out in full flock, as predicted..."He didn't mean what he actually said, he meant x,y and z." You libs are too funny.

lol, eagleeye.

You just don't get that other people don't care about the same issues you do. To some people, religion and guns ARE the real issues. Its no less condescending for you to tell Pennsylvanians that you know better then they what "their own best interests" are than when Barack Obama does.

And how is "exploiting" issues like homosexuality worse than what Obama has done, which is to exploit issues like NAFTA? If his world view is that he shared with the San Francisco donors, he's behaving in exactly the same way as those politicians you decry. That means he's undermining the central tenet of his candidacy. That he'll bring change and that he'll bring a different type of politics.

lol, eagleeye.

You just don't get that other people don't care about the same issues you do. To some people, religion and guns ARE the real issues. Its no less condescending for you to tell Pennsylvanians that you know better then they what "their own best interests" are than when Barack Obama does.

And how is "exploiting" issues like homosexuality worse than what Obama has done, which is to exploit issues like NAFTA? If his world view is that he shared with the San Francisco donors, he's behaving in exactly the same way as those politicians you decry. That means he's undermining the central tenet of his candidacy. That he'll bring change and that he'll bring a different type of politics.

Katie, I'd like to answer your post but I'm not sure what you're saying. What I was saying is that we have very serious problems, and that a candidate's arguably undiplomatic comment about a few people in Pennsylvania is not one of them. It's true that Hillary's "miscues" include stunning lies, which are probably not something you want in a president. But the bigger point is that this campaign is not supposed to be a big Dr. Phil-fest. It's about choosing somebody who will do the right things in the most important office in the world. If you think that person is Hillary Clinton, OK. But that decision should have nothing to do with the media's heavy breathing over a clumsily worded and utterly insignificant comment on the campaign trail. That's how Al Gore and John Kerry lost. Happy with that?


You tell 'em, Logical!

Because people like you have done such an amazing job of running our country over the last 7 years. Stay the course!

Hey ambinder thanks for taking all that time and effort working that out for us and for explaining what obama really meant. But it sure is a lot harder then typing some smartass remark like oh maybe 'Commissioner Clinton' isn't it?

Equating trade policy (NAFTA) with gay marriage?? Thanks for that Karl Rove. One impacts your daily life and the other doesn't. Atlantic needs to implement a you tube like rating system.

I will have to say at least we have cleared up one mystery about Obama.

He is neither a Muslim or Christian, but is just another marxist liberal pulling out his "faith" to fool the rubes to get elected.

"A change we can believe in"

phillygirl:
"But that decision should have nothing to do with the media's heavy breathing over a clumsily worded and utterly insignificant comment"

How about that is how he feels about the people we wants to represent? What kind of decisions would he make concerning their welfare? Would he risk himself to tackle the difficult problems and people in the world for people for whom he has such disdain? Or would he be more likely to subvert their best interest for those of people for whom he has more regard?

Only a masochist would vote for someone who holds them in such contempt.


Imagine if White, Male Presidential candidate stated" And it's not surprising that so many minorities seem to be so bitter, have high illegitimacy rates, cling to blaming others and have a general antipathy toward White values that allow for a better chance of personal responsibility and individual success."

Imagine if any White, Male Presidential candidate had belonged to a church for 20 years with a minister like Wright.

They would be toast. Is there a subliminial racism in this campaign. YES. And it is all in favor of a Black candidate.

Honestly, what people think that guns and religion are the two most important things concerning this election? Because they're definitely in the fringe, as evidenced by polls. Gun control is something that's less and less an issue for many on the left, and religion...the same people who decry the loss of religion in today's world are the same who cried that Elvis was evil for shaking his hips provocatively.

I don't think people like Illinois knows Obama will ever properly understand American History. As Chris Rock says, wtf do you think the first ~150 years of the United States of America were...affirmative action for whites. If you can't understand the anger then maybe you should start crusading on an anti-Mandella, anti-ANC etc.. platform.

Marc

None of you of the so called blogger journalists (except may be Al Giordano at The Field) are smart enough to pick up on what Obama says and means.

So, please spare us of your "thoughtful" analysis and just report what is transpiring in this primary.

The readers here are smart enough to make their assessments of what is said or, more importantly, what is not said.

I hate preachy bloggers. Enough with your word mongering.

Ambinder opines: Even John McCain has expressed a similar sentiment about immigration politics.

In that case, McCain's mouth was moving, but it was those who profit from MassiveImmigration and/or IllegalImmigration who were pulling the strings.

Unfortunately, Ambinder is too much of a hack to think the immigration/trade part of Obama's "disquisition" through. For that part, see this; click my name's link for another instance of Ambinder not fully reporting on this issue.

If the Atlantic is going to discuss immigration matters, let me suggest finding someone who knows what they're talking about.

Obama's theme from the start is that the country is divided. The division is a product of the economic shaft lower and now middle class Americans have been given by business as usual in Washington. Washington politics (litmus test/single issue/special interest Washigton politics) deals w/ our problems by creating and exacerbating the divisions -- using wedge issues, triagulation -- instead of trying to find common ground. So yes, Americans are bitter and Rovian and Clintonion politics have plagued us with division and incrementalism. So if Hillary is telling us that she hasn't heard the bitterness, well, then (as usual) she just hasn't been listening very well. Hope -- Obama's message -- acknowledges and gives voice to the bitterness and offers a better way. That's what he meant; that's what he said

Obama's theme from the start is that the country is divided. The division is a product of the economic shaft lower and now middle class Americans have been given by business as usual in Washington. Washington politics (litmus test/single issue/special interest Washigton politics) deals w/ our problems by creating and exacerbating the divisions -- using wedge issues, triagulation -- instead of trying to find common ground. So yes, Americans are bitter and Rovian and Clintonion politics have plagued us with division and incrementalism. So if Hillary is telling us that she hasn't heard the bitterness, well, then (as usual) she just hasn't been listening very well. Hope -- Obama's message -- acknowledges and gives voice to the bitterness and offers a better way. That's what he meant; that's what he said

I find it amazing that Obama has to go against Hillary, McCain and Bill Clinton and he is still standing. If not for all the idiots on these blogs spewing venom .... Thank God that there are only a few hundred of them. Mostly Republicans who have nothing to do while their candidate John McCain sleeps. I think that McCain has alzheimers because he can't remember what he stood for last week.

"I think this is the kind of thing that'll be forgotten in a couple of days."

Yup, just like the Jeremiah Wright thing. Completely forgotten. No one ever mentions it. Didn't influence a single voter. Obama came off looking BETTER after the debacle than before.

Just keep telling yourselves that, Dems. And John Kerry wasn't hurt by the "I voted for it before I voted against it" crack either.

You're as out of touch as Obama is. Both of these incidents have just pointed up what the problem is with Obama and why he can't win. The Dem elite know this. Why do you think they haven't coalesced around Obama yet? There's plenty of reason to.

Its because they know in their heads and hearts he cannot win. And he may drag the entire down-ticket with him.

But you keep opining on how this stuff has zero effect and in fact helps O-man.

I am truly amazed by the lack of comprehension or perhaps the ignorances of some readers. From the comments I have read online, it seems like the real issue in this election year should be America's education system.

Now back to the latest controversy. It is ridiculous and completely absurd to accuse Obama of being an elitist. How quickly we forget that he worked 3 years as a community organizer making $12000 a year. How quickly we forget that he just recently paid off his college loans. Oh, least we forget, he was raised by a single parent and worked hard to get to his position in life.

As for his comments, I understood it as meaning that the government repeatedly failed the people and created harsh economic realities in which small towns now cling to the "us vs them" mentality for competitive advantage, magnifying our minor differences like gun, religion, sexual orientation and immigration. Politicians exploit those differences. Politicians' exploitation of these minor differences works against Obama, a relatively unknown, black man with a Muslim name that makes him the ultimate outsider.

I am so tired of Obama pan-philosophical sweepness each time he gets into trouble. Dude you made a huge mistake, a second one after Wright, just say so.

Guns, gays and God. Welcome to the Republican party 2008 (2006, 2004, 2002, 2000, 1998, 1996, 1994, 1992, 1990, 1988, 1986, 1984, 1982, 1980).

And if you point it out they will eviscerate you.

Think of it. All those small town yahoos going to church every Sunday just to vent their frustrations and resentments. Too bad they didn't have the chance to sit for twenty years listening to the dulcet tones of Reverend Wright.

And their "anti-trade" false consciousness? Too bad they don't live in Columbia, next to Hugo Chavez, whose Marxism is at least a bit more honestly put forth. Obama's commitment to free trade woul surely set them free there, eh?

Well, I am one of those midwesterners who lost a job lately. I am setting up an independent business now. Guess I forgot to go down to the gun shop and lock 'n load. Oh well, one can always beat the wife, eh?

obama's 'working class upbringing?"

Hello.
BOTH his parents had PhDs. His father was a government official in Kenya. His mother was an anthropologist who worked for the Ford foundation. Her second husband was an Indonesian oil company executive.

Not exactly the factory workers you're portraying.

Obama was raised and educated by his white grandparents in Hawaii where he attended an expensive elite private school, after that he attended Ivy League schools.

His grandmoher (a typical white person) was a Vice-president of a major bank in Hawaii.

Where does the "working class" part come in. Obama is a product of the academic elite and would not know the actual working class if his life depended on it as his comments reveal.

Wow.

In the words of Jake Gittes, You're dumber than you think I think you are.

Divorce yourself from partisanship for just a millisecond and try and figure out what Obama is trying to say. The real issues that have decimated much of rural America are ignored by politicians in order to pander on "easier" issues like guns & religion.

There is absolutely nothing to apologize for in what he has said. His critics should feel free to keep hammering away, but I suspect it will only give Obama an opportunity to further clarify his positions.

Swarty,

An opportunity to "further clarify" his positions? Gee, I thought this guy was the wiz with words. What's there to clarify?

I got the point right away. It's always the same point. "I Obama am the way, you are mired in false consciousness, but I can rescue you."

Or as we used to say at Harvard in my day ('64), "You can always tell a Harvard man, but you just can't tell him much."

Interestingly, I can't find much evidence of Obama's "working-class" upbringing in the myriad stories about his early life or in his own books. I think that's part of the myth. Mrs. Obama was unquestionably raised in a classic southside working-class home, but the senator was not. According to Obama himself, his mother seems to have had a longing for the exotic, and fantasies of a third-world idyll; this translated into becoming pregnant and marrying the senator's father just a few months after they met, when she was still in her teens. Twice she left Barack with her parents in Hawaii while she lived overseas; during one of those stints he attended Hawaii's version of an elite prep school. Her own parents were by no means impoverished, and his grandmother in particular seems to have done much of the childrearing while his mother pursued her own interests. I think he's borrowing some of that working-class idiom from his wife's upbringing. As for the community organizer days, three years in his 20s doesn't make for much of a working-class existence. As we all know -- at least those of us who have operated in that mileu -- young men from Columbia pursue that kind of work en route to Harvard Law as a means of gaining street credibility. All of this is part and parcel of the myth that Obama has a unique understanding of those without privilege. In fact, he does have a unique understanding of the biracial double bind. But he never lived the typical urban life of a young black man in mainland America. It's very easy to forget that amidst the hype.

As a liberal academic I know Obama is out of touch with working class voters. So are we all. We offer prescriptions based on distance, not proximity. Obama is no different. Unfortunately, while his comments reflect the views of people like me who live inside the beltway, they are diagnostic and highly prejudicial. They will offend many working-class and even middle-class voters who simply don't see their religious faith or political beliefs or prejudices in those terms. I recognize my own condescension toward the people Obama was speaking of, but I don't think the senator recognizes his. This will cost the Democratic party votes in the fall, absolutely.


theactual, stop your mischaracterization of Obama's family. Obama's mother did receive her PhD until 1980, Obama was an adult by then. His grandmother worked her way up- after years of their family moving around trying to find the American Dream. And if you read Obama's book, his grandfather seemed to had some sadness and some failures in his business adventures. His father left when he was two and never financially supported him as he was growing up since his father had another family in Kenya.

His family were on food stamps for certain points in his life. He left a job in NY to work as a community organizer making 12k a year and his family only just recently finish paying off their college loans due to the success of his two books.

As for his comments, they are dead on. Americas have been distracted for decades in voting against their economic interest in far of some wedge issue. The Republicans can't run on anything this year so they are making patriotism their calling card.

I remember the Reagan years, when the rise in homelessness began, factories being shut down, trickle down economics and so on. Wake up America, Obama is telling us the truth, vote your pocket books.

theactual, stop your mischaracterization of Obama's family. Obama's mother did receive her PhD until 1980, Obama was an adult by then. His grandmother worked her way up- after years of their family moving around trying to find the American Dream. And if you read Obama's book, his grandfather seemed to had some sadness and some failures in his business adventures. His father left when he was two and never financially supported him as he was growing up since his father had another family in Kenya.

His family were on food stamps for certain points in his life. He left a job in NY to work as a community organizer making 12k a year and his family only just recently finish paying off their college loans due to the success of his two books.

As for his comments, they are dead on. Americas have been distracted for decades in voting against their economic interest in far of some wedge issue. The Republicans can't run on anything this year so they are making patriotism their calling card.

I remember the Reagan years, when the rise in homelessness began, factories being shut down, trickle down economics and so on. Wake up America, Obama is telling us the truth, vote your pocket books.

I like guns and religion. What I don't like are higher taxes, which is what Obama is promising me. So I don't like Obama. I agree that Washington's regalists say we are left to regenerate on our own, but then they take our money and throw themselves a big party. And then they pretend to care about us, and ask for our vote, once every four years. Then they go back to taking our money and having their party. My favorite candidate was defeated in the primaries. This year I'll be voting, somewhat reluctantly, for John McCain.

Why on earth everyone is attacking this 'bitter' comment as the essence of what he said is beyond me. The condescension came in his slams against gun ownership and, more importantly, religion.

Question for Barack: "If these people all got decent jobs, then they'd stop attending church and give up hunting? Is that what you're saying, O Supercilious One?"

He doesn't understand small town America and sees them as full of racist, gun-toting, snake-handling bigots. And he wants their votes! The Democrat Party had better make sure Hillary gets the nomination, as this snob cannot win.

No Jane, that's not what he said. Good job trying to read though, you'll get better at it with practice.

Obama seems to be saying that if you believe in what he says, then you won't need guns to defend yourselves. And if you believe in OBAMA, then you won't need religion. I was trailing a car on which there was a round sticker with a large "HOPE" in the middle. I wondered as I got closer if the rest would say "Jesus" or "Obama". Well, it said "Easter". But the way the Obama campaign is aimed does seem to me to be something like a violation of the first commandment.

Yeah, he said. Then he dug his hole bigger.

People have real reasons to think they way they do, and most people don't like being told that they think that way only because they're misguided.

Not something you can intellectualize your way out of.

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Obama is an Harvard educated who has no basis for identifying with working class white americans. People who are patriotic and love this country above all else-who have fought the wars and worked the factory jobs in this country proudly. He has surrounded himself his entire adult life with radical left, america hating friends--and that's a fact. From Wright to the 60's bombers in Chicago, he and Michelle, have sought out and remainded friends with people who are unapologetically anti-american. What does Obama know of rural PA? Nothing. He can't relate to it, he's never known anyone from there, he didn't grow up there, and now as an adult his values are nothing like theirs. This statement by him doesn't shock me, but it does cement why I would never vote for him and as a democrat will vote republican for the first time if he's the nominee. My grandfather didn't die in WWII for me to elect an unpatriotic man, who refuses to wear a flag pin as a "statement", as president. That's the kind of statement his bomber friends would make and our president should never make. As Rev. Wright said, the chickens are going to come home to roost, but not for American, for Obama.

Hey Coltrane--you and your black power friends shouldn't be measuring the drapes in the white house just yet. Most Americans aren't even engaged in this Obama story yet--wait until they are if he's the nominee. One look at Rev Wright and no excuses about black anger are going to save him. Obama is an elitist, and a racist, who has surrounded himself with angry, racist, anti-american associates and this country will not stand for it in the end. This statement is nothing to what this guy stands for in terms of hating this country. Who runs for president and think they'll win who hangs with a dude(Wright) who says we should damn it???? Or hangs with 60s terrorists who bombed the Pentagon!! It's not okay. No amount of black anger makes it okay. No amount of blaming whites will make it okay. Blacks aren't the only people to have tough times in this country, but love it or leave it--just don't think Obama can be elected being on the record (he and his wife) as doubting the greatness of it.

Shorter GOP: "How dare you point out our culture war to drum up votes!" Nobody is more elitist than the Wall Street fat cats who bankroll the GOP but pander to voters on cultural fears. I went to college with these kinds of people. They despised Falwell and Robertson but recognized them as useful vote-getters.

The psychology of the Obama campaign is fascinating. For the politicians, they have the word "change". For those seeking religion, or a messiah, there is the word "hope" (and of course that comment about "we've been waiting for [you]"). Seemingly something for everyone, or almost everyone. But people who have guns aren't likely to look at Obama's anti-gun stance as a change they would welcome. And people who already have God and a religion won't likely be looking to Obama as a savior. It's been remarked that his rallies have a religious flavor, what with people screaming and swooning. Look out, I'd say, if and when he starts passing out the Kool Aid. That may come in January.

Once again Obama tries to intellectualize his way out of something and his supporters post Youtube videos of the great poobah speaking saying what he *really* means. Should we call this one the "Speech on Bitterness"? People-I'm a democrat. And I mean with a capital D. And yet I couldn't despise Obama more. He's an arrogant, inexperienced, weak man. What does that say about the general when someone who has driven people to the polls, donated thousand of dollars, phone banked, all for dems, is now determined if my party picks this dope as the nominee that not only do I not want any part of it, I'll stick a Mccain sign in my yard so fast it won't be funny. Pretty sad that he's the best we can do.

It is McCain who is rich and elitist.

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McCain is a multi-millionaire.

McCain married divorced his ailing wife and within months married his very rich wife.

McCain wants to give taxcuts to millionaires.

McCain is always caught in bed with lobbyists.

McCain tells people who are loosing their houses to "fu*kk off".

McCain wants to spend tax payer billions on a war that is killing thousands of our bright and youngests.

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So republicans and hillary supporters are simply idiots with no brain or they are clowns.

The old styled politics is over. The time for true leaders has arrived.

GOP has screwed majority of Americans in their asses very badly over the years by pointing out guns, god and gays. Obama is now simply pointing it out and telling people to vote according to their wallets. It is as simple as that. If one does not get it then that person is a moron.

1. In the early debates I was struck by how often Obama said "Understand..."--understand this, understand that. I felt like he was on high, telling us less-intelligent people how it was. He gets in real trouble trying to educate us, when it's about things he doesn't understand.

2. I've lived in the San Francisco area most of my life and now in rural Oregon the last 10 years. Coming to a rural area for the first time I had certain prejudices--I have learned, tho, that people are in general pretty smart, with or without degrees, and generally trusting and often good-hearted. It has nothing to do with their religion or lack of it or their political party. It takes a while to learn this and Obama hasn't put in the time.

Hopefully, Obama won't relive Gary Hart's 1984 New Jersey nightmare in Pennsylvania:

In late May and early June 1984, Hart was locked in a tight New Jersey primary contest he had to win to deny Mondale a first-ballot nomination at the Democratic convention the following month. At a California fundraiser eerily reminiscent of Obama's this week, Hart and his wife Lee spoke with reporters at a Los Angeles event. In one moment of carelessness, Hart, too, struck a nerve with voters in a critical state. As Time recalled:

In a classic campaign boner, he exposed his sarcastic side at a fund raiser in Los Angeles. The "bad news," he told a well-heeled audience standing on the lawn of a Bel Air mansion, is that he has to campaign apart from his wife Lee. "The good news for her is that she campaigns in California while I campaign in New Jersey." When Mrs. Hart interjected, "I got to hold a koala bear," Hart sniggered, "I won't tell you what I got to hold: samples from a toxic-waste dump."

Hart went from closing fast on Mondale in the Garden State to a decisive 15 point blowout a week later. Mondale went on to sew up the Democratic nomination thanks to the delegates he swept in New Jersey. The rest, as they say, is history.

For more history and the worrisome parallels, see:
"Will Obama Relive Hart's '84 New Jersey Nightmare in Pennsylvania?"

"Here is the full audio from Senator Barack Obama's fundraiser hosted at a home in Pacific Heights in San Francisco on Sunday, April 6, 2008. Sheila Jackson Lee makes the introduction."

This is the introduction from the eagle eared "reporter", Mayhill Fowler, who reported on Senator Obama's bitter remarks a week after they occurred. She stated to CNN that she initially "didn't want to bring down the campaign," but after a week, she became sufficiently offended enough to want to do so.

Thing is Shelia Jackson Lee, as we all know, is a Clinton supporter and was certainly NOT at this fund-raiser introducing Senator Obama. It was in fact congress person Barbara Lee who introduced Senator Obama. So this is the sharp eyed reporter who seems to fashion herself a modern day Woodward and Bernstein who can't tell one black public official from another.

I'm not saying she has an agenda, but you have to wonder.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html

Okay, let me understand this. The NY Times poll says that 81 percent of Americans think the country is headed in the wrong direction and Hillary Clinton responding to Obama's comments says, "As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive,.." I think Obama's comments are a more realistic assessment. As he has often said, he's telling people what they need to hear, not what they want to hear.

And, when I look at the war and other things Bush has done I'm reminded of the famous phrase: "If you're not angry it's because you're not paying attention."

I think the rabid response to Obama's accurate comments is amazing. What he said and the perception of what he said are quite different. Of course, perception can, sometimes, be everything. If he survives this (and I think he will) he's golden. Goodbye Senator Clinton for President.

He wasn't saying that people are religious BECAUSE they are bitter. He was saying that religion becomes bitter and divisive when people themselves are bitter and angry. They take their bitterness to the things that they love, especially religion. Obama is himself a religious man...let's not get make something out of nothing.

Is what he meant by "Typical White Person"?

Perhaps he's trying to rationalize, despite outspending Hillary 3 to 1, all of those voters who just don't support him in the states he can't win. Of course since he receives 90% of the African American vote, those voters from key states who don't support him must be "bitter”, “typical” white people, who “cling to guns or religion”.

Bill Clinton wants to send Pennsylvania's jobs to Columbia behind his wife's back.

John McCain's lobbyists will take outsource the rest. And write off the tax break he'll give them.

Their problem is, the more forcefully Obama defends the idea that people are angry about the mess the country is in, and how they need change, the stronger a candidate he becomes.

How will Hillary improve the situation with Bill right next to her. It's not looking very promising. They've proved everyone is expendable as long as they win. They're willing to stand alone while others suffer.

And McCain has admitted he needs to be shown what to do. Both are insiders from the old ways that gave us the mess we're currently in.

Obama will certainly raise taxes on the limosine liberals he was talking to in SF and Muncie. But guess what, a lot of them want to pay their fair share of living in this country. Who would not. As long as the fare is fair.

I think what Obama was saying is that the forgotten voter becomes a single issue voter and cling to what they feel they may have some constitutional value to them. Much like hope and reality--the old politicians in the DC crowd have promised much and delivered nothing. The clintons pushed through NAFTA/CAFTA and China 'most favored nation agreement'. This took their jobs and their communtity.

'CONDESCENDING' coming from a woman who has raised 100 million dollars from Big oil, pharma, lobbyists and arms dealers. Then spent it lavishly and randomly and STIFFED THE LITTLE GUY. She who discounted every voter / state after Super Tuesday. She who nigated the very people who she has courted for months--used racial slurs and lies and patronized the folks who are her 'TEARS FOR VOTES" etc.