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Obama's "Gaffe:" Some Perspective

11 Apr 2008 09:24 pm

We're dealing tonight with a classic Kinsleyian "gaffe," where a candidate says what he means and then is forced to account for it. Let's separate, for the moment, the politics of Obama's words from the argument he is making.

At his San Francisco fundraiser, Obama was sketching out a variation of the Thomas Frank argument about working class voters who seem to choose candidates whose policies cut against their economic interest. In Obama's version, working class voters in the Midwest have been inured to promises of economic redress because both Democrats and Republicans promise to help and never do; since government is a source of distress in their lives, they organize their politics around more stable institutions, like churches or cultural practices, like hunting. The outlet for their economic duress is in lashing out, in giving voice to their grievances; In Obama's formulation, Republicans are especially eager and willing to exploit cultural trigger points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

There is some truth to this. Even John McCain has expressed a similar sentiment about immigration politics.

But the perilous words for Obama are "bitter," "cling to," "guns" and "religion." Those disinclined to put themselves in Obama's head will read the sentences and see Obama dismissing both religion and American gun culture the opiates of the masses and suggesting that their faith and lifestyle are the product of their bitterness. Voters may believe that one's position on cultural issues is a better reflection of their inner values than one's position on economics.

The substance of what Obama said has the makings of a very good Firing Line broadcast. (Alas...)

The elite media and most Democrats will say... "yeah.. .So? Obama is simply describing world as we know it." His opponents and people who are inclined to view Obama as an elitist will say, "he is dismissing the culture and religion of working class whites."

Indeed, the responses to Obama's words have proven (to Obama allies) a part of his argument. Conservatives are already portraying Obama as liberal, elite, out of touch with the values of ordinary Americans -- exactly the type of legerdemain that Obama was pointing to.

So there's a debate to be had about substance.

But the politics are unquestionably dangerous for a candidate whose appeal depends on him transcending traditional political adjectives like "liberal" or "elite."

Despite his working class upbringing, Obama's hyperconfidence sometimes translates as holier-than-thou, elitist, aristocratic, Dukakis-esque. Republicans know that these attributes aren't popular in middle America, so they will use every opportunity to remind independents and moderates about them.

Obama's professorial disquisition at a fundraiser reinforces in real time these stereotypes. And the complexity of his subject matter does not lend itself to an easy response.

One bright spot for Obama: his campaign's response to the story was quick and strong. Obama himself extemporaneously incorporated a defense of his remarks about an hour and a half after the story broke; the Obama campaign sent reporters examples of similar comments made by Hillary Clinton; the campaign entrusted Tommy Vietor, a mid-level spokesman, to give its official response; had a more senior campaign official given the response, it would have conveyed panic.

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Comments (130)

isn't a Kinseyian gaffe where a candidate accidently says something TRUE and that's what gets him in trouble. Accidently saying something you mean is just a gaffe.

I'm sure, Marc, that you worked really hard on this analysis. But it was obsoleted by the video one post down. Better just to let the sunk costs go.

As with the Rev. Wright brouhaha, based on Obama's swift and powerful response, I think this will be another opportunity for Obama to pivot off of what seems like a liability or misstep and actually grow stronger and (dare I say) transcend the situation by talking honestly about the wedge-issue crappola that Americans have been besieged by in the age of Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton.

I think this is the kind of thing that'll be forgotten in a couple of days. Obama, smartly, focuses on the "bitterness" formulation, rather than the religion and guns part of it. If he keeps talking about how the working class have every reason to be bitter and cynical about politicians, this will defuse.

The larger problem, again, is overconfidence and the tendency to get into lengthy, ad hoc meditations about the nature of different demographic groups. Offering deep insights into the human condition is a strength of Obama's, but he ought to leave to to books and big set piece speeches (as in the Philadelphia race speech). One inartful turn of the phrase ("typical white person", "cling to...") and you ignite a cable-TV faux outrage firestorm.

Sure, he's such a good politician that he limits the damage. But if he can down on the meta, it'll focus his message better with the working class voters that he's going after. Obama, in many ways, is the Jackie Robinson of presidential politics, and so he has to meet a higher threshold than other politicians when it comes to a lot of issues like discussing demographic tendencies.

I think this is a huge positive opportunity for Obama to convince small town voters to prioritize their economics over their culture:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/11/204530/918/268/494012

It's a really ballsy line of argument.

But I think it can and will work in this economic climate.

Why is it that so many have to explain "what Obama really meant" everytime he says something dumb, insulting, and/or a gift to the GOP?

Is he 5 years old? Not able to speak clearly? I think not.

Obama just spent a week pandering to the very same voters he just painted as bitter and as turning to God, guns, and gays because they lost their jobs and are lied to by politicians. What's worse--he was speaking to millionaires in San Francisco at a fundraiser while he did it. Do they have faith for any other reasons-- like Obama does? He thinks not. Do they have guns for the reasons Obama says. He says not.

He knows why they value certain things. He couldn't be more condescending if he tried.

Not for me. I am a south central Pennsylvanian and feel no anger toward Obama, I agree with him. I am bitter at Bush's lies and the federal government as a whole. In fact, I am more angry at the national media's handling of this. Am I bitter? Your damn right, and that is why I made up my mind to vote for Obama.

Mark, Shippensburg, PA

Obama, smartly, focuses on the "bitterness" formulation, rather than the religion and guns part of it....

Exactly! As with the Wright problem, Obama can just say he was unaware of those controversial comments.

from swimming freestyle:

"Barack Obama is a remarkably eloquent man and turning into a remarkably capable politician. But if the Senator believes it's smart to insult voters from a state critical to your success, he's hit one of the worst false notes yet in his campaign.

Yeah, I know what his campaign said, and that may have been what he meant. But a sophisticated candidate doesn't refer to voters in language that can be construed as derogatory or insulting. Obama asserted Pennsylvania voters are bitter and so simple and lacking in maturity and intelligence that they address their frustration by clinging to primitive and reactionary crutches rather than addressing their problems in constructive ways.

It's divisive. And not the way to attract the voters you need most."

http://swimmingfreestyle.typepad.com

Here's a link to a fuller transcript w/ audio. To me, there's one thing that sticks out like a sore thumb.

Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama (laugher), then that adds another layer of skepticism (laughter).

I just have one question, when Obama feels all of these Ohio and Pennsylvania voters are 'more skeptical' toward a "46-year-old black man" what exactly is he saying is the cause? And what are the millionaire's laughing about?

Obama is absolutely correct not to apologize for these comments. The Clinton & McCain camps will try and make hay, but by going on the offensive he forces the media to listen and actually report his comments in more context that is favorable to him.

His quick response in the speech seen in the other thread is a pretty powerful rejoinder.

Obama's comments are the verbal companion to his bowling debacle. His visits to small town America look more like a child in a zoo for the first time than a politician campaigning.

Obama supporters can dress this up as much as they'd like, but what it boils down to is how it's heard, which they have no control over (as smart as they believe they are). Millions of small town Americans are scratching their heads tonight, wondering why a major presidential candidate is calling them despondent, violent God-freaks.

RH Potfry may speak truth but what those same voters should be wondering is, now that we know the Clintons are worth over $100 million, why are we taxpayers subsidizing their lifestyle?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9531.html

He wanted this. Period. You may try to interpret this as a gaffe, or as a "mis-spoken" set of words... but this is Barack Hussein Obama. He will never win as a conventional candidate. He will not win safe. He is picking these fights... I am convinced of this now. He picked the Wright fight, at his time, and on his term. He is picking the "what's the matter with Kansas" fight now, at this time, on his terms. He's picking these times during the best time for him (the 6 week campaign before Pennsylvania) and he's making speeches about them. This is the best politician since Reagan, who we're watching right now, period. Like him or not, you have to concede this point. I am an Obama supporter, and I thought, oh, he'll say these words were a misquote, there is not tape of him saying this, they were taken out of context. But when I got home and I saw what he actually said in response... seriously, no delay, not even a day... in 2 hours he had a response ready, on comments quoted from ONE WEEK AGO. The fix was in on this... he was just waiting to unleash. The debate is now framed. Come one, let's give the guy his due...

"Obama's hyperconfidence sometimes translates as holier-than-thou..."

Oh, does it, Marc? Honestly I feel like I'm watching this blog that I've enjoyed thoroughly all primary season just disintegrating into hackery before my eyes.

Stick to your core competency, which is telling us things we don't know. Whenever you feel the need to explain to us how Obama's hyperconfidence translates (to people other than yourself) just stuff it and make some more phone calls.

It's laudable that you devote so much time and so many words to explaining what Obama meant. I always believe in full context, explanations, meanings, and background. But, I just have to ask: Why can't you extend this same level of scrupulousness to Hillary Clinton? Why are her sentences spliced and diced and carefully arranged, and his words get a complete literary deconstruction with footnotes? Please, Marc, think about this, and give an answer. I'd love to hear it. And so would Bill Clinton).

So this is what our political discourse has come to: While the Earth is heating up like a poaching egg, and billions of people are starving, slaughtering one another and fooling around with nuclear weapons, Marc Ambinder is hyperventilating over the possibility that a presidential candidate said something that could possibly be construed as condescending to people in small towns in Pennsylvania. The alternative candidates are (a) a senile right-wing maniac who wants to bomb foreign countries for spite and (b) a pair of corrupt narcissists no longer able to distinguish between truth and fantasy, collecting zillions of dollars to promote the interests of anyone who pays enough. I'm glad you can see through all this, Marc, to home in on the really, really important question: a possible slight to the sensibilities of Edna in Upper Turkeyfoot.

"I just have one question, when Obama feels all of these Ohio and Pennsylvania voters are 'more skeptical' toward a "46-year-old black man" what exactly is he saying is the cause? And what are the millionaire's laughing about"

Obama is saying that "typical white persons" like his Grandmother and rural Pennsylvanians are rubes and racists.

The Millionaires are laughing at the rural Pennsylvanians who believe in Jesus Christ and have the temerity to own guns, when they should instead be hiring their own private alarm company with armed response, like they do.

Phillygirl epitomizes the thinking that will put John McCain in the White House. In a landslide.

Yet she can't understand why.

I completely agree, Joc. He says race isn't the reason white blue collar workers may not vote for him. But if that's true, why would it matter whether or not his message was delivered by a "46 year old black man named Barack Obama." He completely contradicts himself. And I heard the tape. The California donors laughed and got the joke Obama was trying to convey, which I think is obvious -- white provincial voters may not be able to relate to a black man with such a diverse background. For all the talk about how articulate Obama is, I find his logic sometimes fuzzy and half-baked.

Obama is exactly correct. People are angry.

And he is correct in that the GOP always tries to get voters to focus on the trivial to overlook the really important issues. That is how we get into a useless war for the wrong reasons, and how we get into an economy that is slip sliding away.

So if you want real solutions and a person who tackles the hard problems go with Obama.

If you want more war and a faltering economy, go with either McCain or Hillary. I include Hillary because it is so apparent that Hillary has now allied herself with the very "right wing attack machine" that she used to criticize. In fact, I hold more against Hillary. I expect this garbage from the GOP, but for a Clinton, of all people, to stoop to this level is beyond belief.

Ok, but Obama didn't attach anything negative to these folks holding onto their religion and other cultural tenets, like guns, as support.

In fact, Obama probably see them as being positive - as he too found strength in his Christian faith.

But, there's know doubt that some also grasp onto negative tenets like being anti-immigration (like we saw in '07) or anti-gay marriage (like we saw in '04).

Phillygirl, while the earth was poaching and millions were starving, did you pay no heed to Hillary's miscues as you suggest we do to Obama's? Or did you revel in the firestorms and ignore the ones threatening our planet? Judging by the bile you show for Hillary -- surely the result of a few of those storms -- I suspect the latter.

What Obama meant, and what he could have voiced more clearly, is that politicians exploit issues like guns and homosexuality and religion as wedges to divide people and distract them from real issues. He is indeed echoing Thomas Franks' argument that a lot of Americans have been duped into voting against their own best interests. I think the voters get what Obama is saying, and aren't nearly as bothered by his comments as the gasbags who pass for media in this country.

Obama and other socialists like him cannot understand why some people focus on non-material things. He promises to bribe the rubes with a few more taxpayer dollars. The rubes are rightly skeptical of these promises, as many politicans of both parties have promised to bribe them with their own money before - and though the rubes may not all have Ivy League degrees, many of them have sufficient common sense an/or memory to understand how that story will end. The rubes also know that, in return for his largess, Obama is asking them to give up a few tiny, trivial things - the tenets of their faith, their guns, the culture that they grew up with and their sense of independence and self-worth - things that, once lost, cannot be reacquired, except at a ruinous price. To Obama, those are all outmoded things, and why would any sane person not want to exchange that bunk for a bigger check from Uncle Sam?

The Dems can certainly win if the economy is bad enough and the media beats the drum high enough, since there is an understadable voter instinct to throw the bums out and try some new bums, but if Obama does win it will be in spite of himself.

Eagleeye,
I think the gasbags are just intellectually unable to cover a different kind of campaign...a different kind of candidate. Political blogs may be a 21st century advent, but they're trapped in the ways of 20th century reporting. Ambinder included.

Yeah, Obama insults the middle class cause he had everything handed to him!

Oh wait. He didn't? He earned a law degree? Pfffft that can't be true, because the MSM just told me he's an intalekshual, and therefore he can't know anything about middle class workers. Nope. It's one or the other.

Goodness.

Obama had it exactly right. We in middle America are frustrated. Probably not exactly in the ways he invisions. I am frustrated in both Dems and Reps. I have had enough of an ever growing bloated government that constantly costs more in taxes and delivers less. I have had enough of the Spitzers and Foleys and Bill Clintons. I grow weary of illegal immigrants and sanctuary cities and efforts at comprehensive immigration reform. I am fed up of the Jacksons and Sharptons and Jeremiah Wrights telling me the err of my ways. This November I'll hold my nose and vote for McCain, but Barry is right, there are alot of frustrated folks out in Middle America.

Tell the marxist nut at his next rally:

We are very proud of our heritage, we are proud of who we are. We are not frustrated. We are not bitter. We love this nation. We turn to our faith because we believe, and we hunt and fish because it is part of our culture and we enjoy it.

And until you let that filter thru your disdain for small town America, you will not ever get to lead us.

So take your black liberation theory, Harvard elitism, and anti-white snobbery back to Trinity where it is accepted and leave this great nation to strive on.

Good riddance to a disaster waiting to happen.

You sure are right about the "elite" media (gee, the "elite" media isn't elitist too are they?) and the Dems not even being aware that looking down on Middle America as being a problem. They think it's normal but just needs to be kept in the closet during election season (another form of condescension).

Hillary is going to hit him hard for this and I've heard she has something else coming down the line.

By the way, what's the latest on Obama and William Ayers?

What about the Che flags in his offices?

The Marxist rhetoric, the anti Semitic friends, the far left voting record, the desire to meet with America's enemies yet know example of WHAT to talk to them about, the pledge to raise taxes, his wife's contempt for this country and on and on.

Why does ANYONE who isn't a hard lefty wanna vote for this guy?

It's nice to see the apologists out in full flock, as predicted..."He didn't mean what he actually said, he meant x,y and z." You libs are too funny.

lol, eagleeye.

You just don't get that other people don't care about the same issues you do. To some people, religion and guns ARE the real issues. Its no less condescending for you to tell Pennsylvanians that you know better then they what "their own best interests" are than when Barack Obama does.

And how is "exploiting" issues like homosexuality worse than what Obama has done, which is to exploit issues like NAFTA? If his world view is that he shared with the San Francisco donors, he's behaving in exactly the same way as those politicians you decry. That means he's undermining the central tenet of his candidacy. That he'll bring change and that he'll bring a different type of politics.

lol, eagleeye.

You just don't get that other people don't care about the same issues you do. To some people, religion and guns ARE the real issues. Its no less condescending for you to tell Pennsylvanians that you know better then they what "their own best interests" are than when Barack Obama does.

And how is "exploiting" issues like homosexuality worse than what Obama has done, which is to exploit issues like NAFTA? If his world view is that he shared with the San Francisco donors, he's behaving in exactly the same way as those politicians you decry. That means he's undermining the central tenet of his candidacy. That he'll bring change and that he'll bring a different type of politics.

Katie, I'd like to answer your post but I'm not sure what you're saying. What I was saying is that we have very serious problems, and that a candidate's arguably undiplomatic comment about a few people in Pennsylvania is not one of them. It's true that Hillary's "miscues" include stunning lies, which are probably not something you want in a president. But the bigger point is that this campaign is not supposed to be a big Dr. Phil-fest. It's about choosing somebody who will do the right things in the most important office in the world. If you think that person is Hillary Clinton, OK. But that decision should have nothing to do with the media's heavy breathing over a clumsily worded and utterly insignificant comment on the campaign trail. That's how Al Gore and John Kerry lost. Happy with that?

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You tell 'em, Logical!

Because people like you have done such an amazing job of running our country over the last 7 years. Stay the course!

Hey ambinder thanks for taking all that time and effort working that out for us and for explaining what obama really meant. But it sure is a lot harder then typing some smartass remark like oh maybe 'Commissioner Clinton' isn't it?

Equating trade policy (NAFTA) with gay marriage?? Thanks for that Karl Rove. One impacts your daily life and the other doesn't. Atlantic needs to implement a you tube like rating system.

I will have to say at least we have cleared up one mystery about Obama.

He is neither a Muslim or Christian, but is just another marxist liberal pulling out his "faith" to fool the rubes to get elected.

"A change we can believe in"

phillygirl:
"But that decision should have nothing to do with the media's heavy breathing over a clumsily worded and utterly insignificant comment"

How about that is how he feels about the people we wants to represent? What kind of decisions would he make concerning their welfare? Would he risk himself to tackle the difficult problems and people in the world for people for whom he has such disdain? Or would he be more likely to subvert their best interest for those of people for whom he has more regard?

Only a masochist would vote for someone who holds them in such contempt.

Imagine if White, Male Presidential candidate stated" And it's not surprising that so many minorities seem to be so bitter, have high illegitimacy rates, cling to blaming others and have a general antipathy toward White values that allow for a better chance of personal responsibility and individual success."

Imagine if any White, Male Presidential candidate had belonged to a church for 20 years with a minister like Wright.

They would be toast. Is there a subliminial racism in this campaign. YES. And it is all in favor of a Black candidate.

Honestly, what people think that guns and religion are the two most important things concerning this election? Because they're definitely in the fringe, as evidenced by polls. Gun control is something that's less and less an issue for many on the left, and religion...the same people who decry the loss of religion in today's world are the same who cried that Elvis was evil for shaking his hips provocatively.

I don't think people like Illinois knows Obama will ever properly understand American History. As Chris Rock says, wtf do you think the first ~150 years of the United States of America were...affirmative action for whites. If you can't understand the anger then maybe you should start crusading on an anti-Mandella, anti-ANC etc.. platform.

Marc

None of you of the so called blogger journalists (except may be Al Giordano at The Field) are smart enough to pick up on what Obama says and means.

So, please spare us of your "thoughtful" analysis and just report what is transpiring in this primary.

The readers here are smart enough to make their assessments of what is said or, more importantly, what is not said.

I hate preachy bloggers. Enough with your word mongering.

Ambinder opines: Even John McCain has expressed a similar sentiment about immigration politics.

In that case, McCain's mouth was moving, but it was those who profit from MassiveImmigration and/or IllegalImmigration who were pulling the strings.

Unfortunately, Ambinder is too much of a hack to think the immigration/trade part of Obama's "disquisition" through. For that part, see this; click my name's link for another instance of Ambinder not fully reporting on this issue.

If the Atlantic is going to discuss immigration matters, let me suggest finding someone who knows what they're talking about.

Obama's theme from the start is that the country is divided. The division is a product of the economic shaft lower and now middle class Americans have been given by business as usual in Washington. Washington politics (litmus test/single issue/special interest Washigton politics) deals w/ our problems by creating and exacerbating the divisions -- using wedge issues, triagulation -- instead of trying to find common ground. So yes, Americans are bitter and Rovian and Clintonion politics have plagued us with division and incrementalism. So if Hillary is telling us that she hasn't heard the bitterness, well, then (as usual) she just hasn't been listening very well. Hope -- Obama's message -- acknowledges and gives voice to the bitterness and offers a better way. That's what he meant; that's what he said

Obama's theme from the start is that the country is divided. The division is a product of the economic shaft lower and now middle class Americans have been given by business as usual in Washington. Washington politics (litmus test/single issue/special interest Washigton politics) deals w/ our problems by creating and exacerbating the divisions -- using wedge issues, triagulation -- instead of trying to find common ground. So yes, Americans are bitter and Rovian and Clintonion politics have plagued us with division and incrementalism. So if Hillary is telling us that she hasn't heard the bitterness, well, then (as usual) she just hasn't been listening very well. Hope -- Obama's message -- acknowledges and gives voice to the bitterness and offers a better way. That's what he meant; that's what he said

I find it amazing that Obama has to go against Hillary, McCain and Bill Clinton and he is still standing. If not for all the idiots on these blogs spewing venom .... Thank God that there are only a few hundred of them. Mostly Republicans who have nothing to do while their candidate John McCain sleeps. I think that McCain has alzheimers because he can't remember what he stood for last week.

"I think this is the kind of thing that'll be forgotten in a couple of days."

Yup, just like the Jeremiah Wright thing. Completely forgotten. No one ever mentions it. Didn't influence a single voter. Obama came off looking BETTER after the debacle than before.

Just keep telling yourselves that, Dems. And John Kerry wasn't hurt by the "I voted for it before I voted against it" crack either.

You're as out of touch as Obama is. Both of these incidents have just pointed up what the problem is with Obama and why he can't win. The Dem elite know this. Why do you think they haven't coalesced around Obama yet? There's plenty of reason to.

Its because they know in their heads and hearts he cannot win. And he may drag the entire down-ticket with him.

But you keep opining on how this stuff has zero effect and in fact helps O-man.

I am truly amazed by the lack of comprehension or perhaps the ignorances of some readers. From the comments I have read online, it seems like the real issue in this election year should be America's education system.

Now back to the latest controversy. It is ridiculous and completely absurd to accuse Obama of being an elitist. How quickly we forget that he worked 3 years as a community organizer making $12000 a year. How quickly we forget that he just recently paid off his college loans. Oh, least we forget, he was raised by a single parent and worked hard to get to his position in life.

As for his comments, I understood it as meaning that the government repeatedly failed the people and created harsh economic realities in which small towns now cling to the "us vs them" mentality for competitive advantage, magnifying our minor differences like gun, religion, sexual orientation and immigration. Politicians exploit those differences. Politicians' exploitation of these minor differences works against Obama, a relatively unknown, black man with a Muslim name that makes him the ultimate outsider.

I am so tired of Obama pan-philosophical sweepness each time he gets into trouble. Dude you made a huge mistake, a second one after Wright, just say so.

Guns, gays and God. Welcome to the Republican party 2008 (2006, 2004, 2002, 2000, 1998, 1996, 1994, 1992, 1990, 1988, 1986, 1984, 1982, 1980).

And if you point it out they will eviscerate you.

Think of it. All those small town yahoos going to church every Sunday just to vent their frustrations and resentments. Too bad they didn't have the chance to sit for twenty years listening to the dulcet tones of Reverend Wright.

And their "anti-trade" false consciousness? Too bad they don't live in Columbia, next to Hugo Chavez, whose Marxism is at least a bit more honestly put forth. Obama's commitment to free trade woul surely set them free there, eh?

Well, I am one of those midwesterners who lost a job lately. I am setting up an independent business now. Guess I forgot to go down to the gun shop and lock 'n load. Oh well, one can always beat the wife, eh?

obama's 'working class upbringing?"

Hello.
BOTH his parents had PhDs. His father was a government official in Kenya. His mother was an anthropologist who worked for the Ford foundation. Her second husband was an Indonesian oil company executive.

Not exactly the factory workers you're portraying.

Obama was raised and educated by his white grandparents in Hawaii where he attended an expensive elite private school, after that he attended Ivy League schools.

His grandmoher (a typical white person) was a Vice-president of a major bank in Hawaii.

Where does the "working class" part come in. Obama is a product of the academic elite and would not know the actual working class if his life depended on it as his comments reveal.

Wow.

In the words of Jake Gittes, You're dumber than you think I think you are.

Divorce yourself from partisanship for just a millisecond and try and figure out what Obama is trying to say. The real issues that have decimated much of rural America are ignored by politicians in order to pander on "easier" issues like guns & religion.

There is absolutely nothing to apologize for in what he has said. His critics should feel free to keep hammering away, but I suspect it will only give Obama an opportunity to further clarify his positions.

Swarty,

An opportunity to "further clarify" his positions? Gee, I thought this guy was the wiz with words. What's there to clarify?

I got the point right away. It's always the same point. "I Obama am the way, you are mired in false consciousness, but I can rescue you."

Or as we used to say at Harvard in my day ('64), "You can always tell a Harvard man, but you just can't tell him much."

Interestingly, I can't find much evidence of Obama's "working-class" upbringing in the myriad stories about his early life or in his own books. I think that's part of the myth. Mrs. Obama was unquestionably raised in a classic southside working-class home, but the senator was not. According to Obama himself, his mother seems to have had a longing for the exotic, and fantasies of a third-world idyll; this translated into becoming pregnant and marrying the senator's father just a few months after they met, when she was still in her teens. Twice she left Barack with her parents in Hawaii while she lived overseas; during one of those stints he attended Hawaii's version of an elite prep school. Her own parents were by no means impoverished, and his grandmother in particular seems to have done much of the childrearing while his mother pursued her own interests. I think he's borrowing some of that working-class idiom from his wife's upbringing. As for the community organizer days, three years in his 20s doesn't make for much of a working-class existence. As we all know -- at least those of us who have operated in that mileu -- young men from Columbia pursue that kind of work en route to Harvard Law as a means of gaining street credibility. All of this is part and parcel of the myth that Obama has a unique understanding of those without privilege. In fact, he does have a unique understanding of the biracial double bind. But he never lived the typical urban life of a young black man in mainland America. It's very easy to forget that amidst the hype.

As a liberal academic I know Obama is out of touch with working class voters. So are we all. We offer prescriptions based on distance, not proximity. Obama is no different. Unfortunately, while his comments reflect the views of people like me who live inside the beltway, they are diagnostic and highly prejudicial. They will offend many working-class and even middle-class voters who simply don't see their religious faith or political beliefs or prejudices in those terms. I recognize my own condescension toward the people Obama was speaking of, but I don't think the senator recognizes his. This will cost the Democratic party votes in the fall, absolutely.

theactual, stop your mischaracterization of Obama's family. Obama's mother did receive her PhD until 1980, Obama was an adult by then. His grandmother worked her way up- after years of their family moving around trying to find the American Dream. And if you read Obama's book, his grandfather seemed to had some sadness and some failures in his business adventures. His father left when he was two and never financially supported him as he was growing up since his father had another family in Kenya.

His family were on food stamps for certain points in his life. He left a job in NY to work as a community organizer making 12k a year and his family only just recently finish paying off their college loans due to the success of his two books.

As for his comments, they are dead on. Americas have been distracted for decades in voting against their economic interest in far of some wedge issue. The Republicans can't run on anything this year so they are making patriotism their calling card.

I remember the Reagan years, when the rise in homelessness began, factories being shut down, trickle down economics and so on. Wake up America, Obama is telling us the truth, vote your pocket books.

theactual, stop your mischaracterization of Obama's family. Obama's mother did receive her PhD until 1980, Obama was an adult by then. His grandmother worked her way up- after years of their family moving around trying to find the American Dream. And if you read Obama's book, his grandfather seemed to had some sadness and some failures in his business adventures. His father left when he was two and never financially supported him as he was growing up since his father had another family in Kenya.

His family were on food stamps for certain points in his life. He left a job in NY to work as a community organizer making 12k a year and his family only just recently finish paying off their college loans due to the success of his two books.

As for his comments, they are dead on. Americas have been distracted for decades in voting against their economic interest in far of some wedge issue. The Republicans can't run on anything this year so they are making patriotism their calling card.

I remember the Reagan years, when the rise in homelessness began, factories being shut down, trickle down economics and so on. Wake up America, Obama is telling us the truth, vote your pocket books.

I like guns and religion. What I don't like are higher taxes, which is what Obama is promising me. So I don't like Obama. I agree that Washington's regalists say we are left to regenerate on our own, but then they take our money and throw themselves a big party. And then they pretend to care about us, and ask for our vote, once every four years. Then they go back to taking our money and having their party. My favorite candidate was defeated in the primaries. This year I'll be voting, somewhat reluctantly, for John McCain.

Why on earth everyone is attacking this 'bitter' comment as the essence of what he said is beyond me. The condescension came in his slams against gun ownership and, more importantly, religion.

Question for Barack: "If these people all got decent jobs, then they'd stop attending church and give up hunting? Is that what you're saying, O Supercilious One?"

He doesn't understand small town America and sees them as full of racist, gun-toting, snake-handling bigots. And he wants their votes! The Democrat Party had better make sure Hillary gets the nomination, as this snob cannot win.

No Jane, that's not what he said. Good job trying to read though, you'll get better at it with practice.

Obama seems to be saying that if you believe in what he says, then you won't need guns to defend yourselves. And if you believe in OBAMA, then you won't need religion. I was trailing a car on which there was a round sticker with a large "HOPE" in the middle. I wondered as I got closer if the rest would say "Jesus" or "Obama". Well, it said "Easter". But the way the Obama campaign is aimed does seem to me to be something like a violation of the first commandment.

Yeah, he said. Then he dug his hole bigger.

People have real reasons to think they way they do, and most people don't like being told that they think that way only because they're misguided.

Not something you can intellectualize your way out of.

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Obama is an Harvard educated who has no basis for identifying with working class white americans. People who are patriotic and love this country above all else-who have fought the wars and worked the factory jobs in this country proudly. He has surrounded himself his entire adult life with radical left, america hating friends--and that's a fact. From Wright to the 60's bombers in Chicago, he and Michelle, have sought out and remainded friends with people who are unapologetically anti-american. What does Obama know of rural PA? Nothing. He can't relate to it, he's never known anyone from there, he didn't grow up there, and now as an adult his values are nothing like theirs. This statement by him doesn't shock me, but it does cement why I would never vote for him and as a democrat will vote republican for the first time if he's the nominee. My grandfather didn't die in WWII for me to elect an unpatriotic man, who refuses to wear a flag pin as a "statement", as president. That's the kind of statement his bomber friends would make and our president should never make. As Rev. Wright said, the chickens are going to come home to roost, but not for American, for Obama.

Hey Coltrane--you and your black power friends shouldn't be measuring the drapes in the white house just yet. Most Americans aren't even engaged in this Obama story yet--wait until they are if he's the nominee. One look at Rev Wright and no excuses about black anger are going to save him. Obama is an elitist, and a racist, who has surrounded himself with angry, racist, anti-american associates and this country will not stand for it in the end. This statement is nothing to what this guy stands for in terms of hating this country. Who runs for president and think they'll win who hangs with a dude(Wright) who says we should damn it???? Or hangs with 60s terrorists who bombed the Pentagon!! It's not okay. No amount of black anger makes it okay. No amount of blaming whites will make it okay. Blacks aren't the only people to have tough times in this country, but love it or leave it--just don't think Obama can be elected being on the record (he and his wife) as doubting the greatness of it.

Shorter GOP: "How dare you point out our culture war to drum up votes!" Nobody is more elitist than the Wall Street fat cats who bankroll the GOP but pander to voters on cultural fears. I went to college with these kinds of people. They despised Falwell and Robertson but recognized them as useful vote-getters.

The psychology of the Obama campaign is fascinating. For the politicians, they have the word "change". For those seeking religion, or a messiah, there is the word "hope" (and of course that comment about "we've been waiting for [you]"). Seemingly something for everyone, or almost everyone. But people who have guns aren't likely to look at Obama's anti-gun stance as a change they would welcome. And people who already have God and a religion won't likely be looking to Obama as a savior. It's been remarked that his rallies have a religious flavor, what with people screaming and swooning. Look out, I'd say, if and when he starts passing out the Kool Aid. That may come in January.

Once again Obama tries to intellectualize his way out of something and his supporters post Youtube videos of the great poobah speaking saying what he *really* means. Should we call this one the "Speech on Bitterness"? People-I'm a democrat. And I mean with a capital D. And yet I couldn't despise Obama more. He's an arrogant, inexperienced, weak man. What does that say about the general when someone who has driven people to the polls, donated thousand of dollars, phone banked, all for dems, is now determined if my party picks this dope as the nominee that not only do I not want any part of it, I'll stick a Mccain sign in my yard so fast it won't be funny. Pretty sad that he's the best we can do.

It is McCain who is rich and elitist.

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McCain is a multi-millionaire.

McCain married divorced his ailing wife and within months married his very rich wife.

McCain wants to give taxcuts to millionaires.

McCain is always caught in bed with lobbyists.

McCain tells people who are loosing their houses to "fu*kk off".

McCain wants to spend tax payer billions on a war that is killing thousands of our bright and youngests.

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So republicans and hillary supporters are simply idiots with no brain or they are clowns.

The old styled politics is over. The time for true leaders has arrived.

GOP has screwed majority of Americans in their asses very badly over the years by pointing out guns, god and gays. Obama is now simply pointing it out and telling people to vote according to their wallets. It is as simple as that. If one does not get it then that person is a moron.

1. In the early debates I was struck by how often Obama said "Understand..."--understand this, understand that. I felt like he was on high, telling us less-intelligent people how it was. He gets in real trouble trying to educate us, when it's about things he doesn't understand.

2. I've lived in the San Francisco area most of my life and now in rural Oregon the last 10 years. Coming to a rural area for the first time I had certain prejudices--I have learned, tho, that people are in general pretty smart, with or without degrees, and generally trusting and often good-hearted. It has nothing to do with their religion or lack of it or their political party. It takes a while to learn this and Obama hasn't put in the time.

Hopefully, Obama won't relive Gary Hart's 1984 New Jersey nightmare in Pennsylvania:

In late May and early June 1984, Hart was locked in a tight New Jersey primary contest he had to win to deny Mondale a first-ballot nomination at the Democratic convention the following month. At a California fundraiser eerily reminiscent of Obama's this week, Hart and his wife Lee spoke with reporters at a Los Angeles event. In one moment of carelessness, Hart, too, struck a nerve with voters in a critical state. As Time recalled:

In a classic campaign boner, he exposed his sarcastic side at a fund raiser in Los Angeles. The "bad news," he told a well-heeled audience standing on the lawn of a Bel Air mansion, is that he has to campaign apart from his wife Lee. "The good news for her is that she campaigns in California while I campaign in New Jersey." When Mrs. Hart interjected, "I got to hold a koala bear," Hart sniggered, "I won't tell you what I got to hold: samples from a toxic-waste dump."

Hart went from closing fast on Mondale in the Garden State to a decisive 15 point blowout a week later. Mondale went on to sew up the Democratic nomination thanks to the delegates he swept in New Jersey. The rest, as they say, is history.

For more history and the worrisome parallels, see:
"Will Obama Relive Hart's '84 New Jersey Nightmare in Pennsylvania?"

"Here is the full audio from Senator Barack Obama's fundraiser hosted at a home in Pacific Heights in San Francisco on Sunday, April 6, 2008. Sheila Jackson Lee makes the introduction."

This is the introduction from the eagle eared "reporter", Mayhill Fowler, who reported on Senator Obama's bitter remarks a week after they occurred. She stated to CNN that she initially "didn't want to bring down the campaign," but after a week, she became sufficiently offended enough to want to do so.

Thing is Shelia Jackson Lee, as we all know, is a Clinton supporter and was certainly NOT at this fund-raiser introducing Senator Obama. It was in fact congress person Barbara Lee who introduced Senator Obama. So this is the sharp eyed reporter who seems to fashion herself a modern day Woodward and Bernstein who can't tell one black public official from another.

I'm not saying she has an agenda, but you have to wonder.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html

Okay, let me understand this. The NY Times poll says that 81 percent of Americans think the country is headed in the wrong direction and Hillary Clinton responding to Obama's comments says, "As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive,.." I think Obama's comments are a more realistic assessment. As he has often said, he's telling people what they need to hear, not what they want to hear.

And, when I look at the war and other things Bush has done I'm reminded of the famous phrase: "If you're not angry it's because you're not paying attention."

I think the rabid response to Obama's accurate comments is amazing. What he said and the perception of what he said are quite different. Of course, perception can, sometimes, be everything. If he survives this (and I think he will) he's golden. Goodbye Senator Clinton for President.

He wasn't saying that people are religious BECAUSE they are bitter. He was saying that religion becomes bitter and divisive when people themselves are bitter and angry. They take their bitterness to the things that they love, especially religion. Obama is himself a religious man...let's not get make something out of nothing.

Is what he meant by "Typical White Person"?

Perhaps he's trying to rationalize, despite outspending Hillary 3 to 1, all of those voters who just don't support him in the states he can't win. Of course since he receives 90% of the African American vote, those voters from key states who don't support him must be "bitter”, “typical” white people, who “cling to guns or religion”.

Bill Clinton wants to send Pennsylvania's jobs to Columbia behind his wife's back.

John McCain's lobbyists will take outsource the rest. And write off the tax break he'll give them.

Their problem is, the more forcefully Obama defends the idea that people are angry about the mess the country is in, and how they need change, the stronger a candidate he becomes.

How will Hillary improve the situation with Bill right next to her. It's not looking very promising. They've proved everyone is expendable as long as they win. They're willing to stand alone while others suffer.

And McCain has admitted he needs to be shown what to do. Both are insiders from the old ways that gave us the mess we're currently in.

Obama will certainly raise taxes on the limosine liberals he was talking to in SF and Muncie. But guess what, a lot of them want to pay their fair share of living in this country. Who would not. As long as the fare is fair.

I think what Obama was saying is that the forgotten voter becomes a single issue voter and cling to what they feel they may have some constitutional value to them. Much like hope and reality--the old politicians in the DC crowd have promised much and delivered nothing. The clintons pushed through NAFTA/CAFTA and China 'most favored nation agreement'. This took their jobs and their communtity.

'CONDESCENDING' coming from a woman who has raised 100 million dollars from Big oil, pharma, lobbyists and arms dealers. Then spent it lavishly and randomly and STIFFED THE LITTLE GUY. She who discounted every voter / state after Super Tuesday. She who nigated the very people who she has courted for months--used racial slurs and lies and patronized the folks who are her 'TEARS FOR VOTES" etc.

I really don't get this. What Obama said sounds exactly right. If it's right, it can't do him THAT much harm in the long run. And it doesn't really sound elitist. Or does going to Harvard automatically make a person elitist?

"Even John McCain has expressed a similar sentiment about immigration politics."

I quit reading after this sentence because everything after MUST be a lie or irrelevant. Obama's remarks are condescendingly racist, that's what is objectionable about them. This is the gist of his statement: "antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment." Small town is a code phrase for white, specifically all those whites who aren't self-loathing racists and have the nerve to resent what amounts to cultural if not physical destruction being waged against them by the coalition that includes Obama and most of his supporters, regardless of their skin color.

The resentment of that destruction is why "Kansas" has voted Republican. Liberals should take heart though, the Big Business types who control the Republican Party have no interest in or intention to defend the culture of "Kansas", and sooner or later the Kansans are going to tumble to that fact, and there'll be no more reason to vote Republican. As you say, even John McCain ...

If instead of handing out trillions of dollars of tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans, as Bush/McCain support, the money had been invested in new technologies, and the re-training of workers so that they could make a living off of those technologies, some of the disaffected cities and towns would have already experienced an economic regeneration.

I don't blame McCain or Hillary for making idiotic comments to try to exploit this non-story. I fault the MSM for trying to pretend that it is newsworthy.

Some people like to say that Republicans are the big business party but that clearly isn't true. Look at the donations that have flowed into the Obama and Clinton campaigns. Look at how much have come from banking interests, for instance. Big business tends to split their donations, often going for whoever is in power at the time. That's why the Democrats are pulling in large sums and the Republicans are struggling - because Democrats are in control of Congress and are likely to be in control of the Presidency as well.

Interesting that Obama mentions anti-trade as coming from bitterness. Isn't it Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Party who just shut down the proposed trade deal with Columbia? And isn't it Obama and Clinton who have said they would "renegotiate" Nafta, in their fight to see who can be more anti-trade for the AFL-CIO?

Lets look at the context of Obama's comments about rural Americans.

He was at a very elite fundraiser in San Francisco where he was asked if people weren't voting for him because they are racist. He said no, they cannot accept HOPE because they are bitter and cannot accept outsiders.

In reality their experiences have made them pragmatic and they want SOLUTIONS -- not just talk. Obama has no answer for people who need a really competent, experienced President.

This is why Hillary Clinton is so appealing to regular people versus the elites. Regular people don't think they are better than anybody else -- elites know they are better than everybody else. Obama's comments show his elitism quite clearly.

Anne
West Lafayette, IN

Ambinder - Despite his working class upbringing, Obama's hyperconfidence sometimes translates as holier-than-thou, elitist, aristocratic, Dukakis-esque.

Oh, please! Obama attended the toniest schools in Indonesia with the full sons of his Muslim stepfather, who was an oil company executive from a family in Indonesia's Ruling Elite. Then he attended the poshist, most elite schools in Hawaii courtesy of his bank executive grandmother and some nice fat affirmative action subsidies and bonus points for admission. Then it was two years to dry out the drug use in a "step-up" private college in CA, then the Ivy Leagues, then a little liberal "getting in touch with the noble savages" time, then back to the Ivies.

Dukakis was an elitist by inclination, but he was also son of prosperous Greek immigrants, a noted penny-pincher in his personal life, and an Army guy.
But an apt comparison to Obama, unlike Bush or John Forbes Kerry. Rather than being raised as an elitist, both Dukakis and Obama appear to have preferred elitist circles while "slumming" with the common man to show their "common touch". (Duke rides subways! Uses a push mower on his Bemont lawn. Obama serves chicken dinners to winos!)

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Ryan W - I think this is the kind of thing that'll be forgotten in a couple of days. Obama, smartly, focuses on the "bitterness" formulation, rather than the religion and guns part of it.

Wrong, because Obama assailed the values of small town America that pre-existed any globalisation "bitterness". And they know the Christianity and gun ownership he smeared them as "clinging to", and his San Francisco multi-milionaires laughed with him at, is code for a whole set of values that blue collar, white ethnic, hispanic, and rural America always suspects Elitists sneer at them for having.

And the arrogant, elitist young fool doesn't get the damage he did by conflating "those types" and their Christianity, gun rights, immigration concerns, and "racism" all together - so like with Rev Wright, there will be no apology. Only preaching about people who are looking at him need to transcend their flaws for doing so and See The Greater Picture. The fault is not with Obama, stupid Christian white and hispanic rubes, Rev Wright, his racist grandmother - and certainly not Obama's own bad judgment - no, the fault is with people unwilling to Transcend with The Black Messiah...and adress the Larger Issues:

1. The Need for a Dialogue on Race. (presumably different than the dialogue BO enjoys in his personal life with his prideful wife).

2. Exploring why stupid lesser Americans cling to false values and how to cure such misguided souls of their "bitterness" through wise Federal Gov't parenting of their needs and educating them out of such reactionary beliefs to a more progressive life. (Dripping elitism and condescending bigotry with his wealthy SF benefactors cheering and laughing with his remarks).
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Joanne - In the early debates I was struck by how often Obama said "Understand..."--understand this, understand that. I felt like he was on high, telling us less-intelligent people how it was. He gets in real trouble trying to educate us, when it's about things he doesn't understand.

A very perceptive comment.

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Just look at Obama's audience at the time - San Francisco, which would be thought of as:
1. anti-gun
2. relative non-religious
3. very mixed population
4. high immigration population
5. very involved in international trade

So he just invited them to take a condescending look at the other coast, or the midwest, as
1. clinging to guns
2. clinging to religion
3. antipathy to people who aren't like them
4. anti-immigrant
5. anti-trade

This is standard divide and conquer tactics.

There is a rather striking parallelism between Obama's elitist explanation of why small town, working class people "cling" to their religion and Karl Marx's famous denigration of religion, where he said:

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo."

So this, dear friends, is the change you have been waiting for. Abolish religion so that people lose their "false consciousness" and can see how they are being oppressed by "the man." Undoubtedly Obama would have people replace their old-time religion with a new form of worship, of Him.

Mark, I wrote to Obama HQ as well but I don't think they read my input. I read Obama's speech a lot and I know what he was trying to say in CA. If his people are calm, they should be able to refute all three risky points in Obama speech, i.e., Bitterness, Clinging to Gun & Religion and Xenophobia,

1. On bitterness in general: Barack is sincere. It sounds like he cannot help feeling the bitterness and devastation in those neglected steel mill towns and farms across Pennsylvania. He cares it deeply. To him, it is the direct result of failed policy and corruption of Washington for the past 25 years. That is why he strongly opposes NAFTA and reject the lobbyist money in Washington. Washington really needs to shed its corruption. Of all the politicians, Barack is the one who feels extremely responsible for it even though he only has a few years in Washington.
3. Economic policy that brings prosperity and cure “bitterness” : Both Clinton and Obama has similar economic recovery policies. The question is who can bring the changes long over due. Is it Obama who has the courage to say "bitterness" where there is bitterness or his opponents who cannot even feel bitterness or admit to it? For the record, this is the same guy who had courage and foresight to oppose the war from the first time. He promises to end the war, fight against poverty and bring prosperity back to Pennsylvania and the rest of the country.
4. On Religion: Pennsylvanians are religious people. Their strong belief in God provided inner strength for Pennsylvanians to cope with the bad times. God has been with them all through the tough times and frankly has done enough. What Pennsylvanians need and deserve is a good government. Barack indicated many times that he would like to regain American people’s trust in the Government. Pennsylvanians need help from Government too.
5. On Xenophobia and guns : Barack promise to bring change to Washington and bring back hope to American society. He said many times that he would create a society where working people earn respectable wages, can educate their kids, retire with dignity etc, a society where people are less afraid of each other and where guns become more associated with hunting than protection...

This is Sen Obama's reply to Sen McClinton - he is going to be a great president who speaks the truth and talks to use like adults!!!

“We won’t be lectured on being out of touch by Senator Clinton, who believes lobbyists represent real people and is awash in their money and who can’t tell a straight story about her lengthy record of supporting trade deals like NAFTA and China that have devastated communities in Pennsylvania and Indiana. She won’t change the broken Washington system that all too often leaves American workers behind, but Barack Obama will.”

Working class upbringing. How can you say Obama had a working class upbringing, when from the time Obama was around ten years old to the time he went to college he lived and was raised by his grandparents? His grandmother was a bank vice president. As far as i know that is not working class. Obama also went to one of the most exclusive high schools in the country. I would like to know who had a higher household income while they were in high school Barack Obama or George W Bush.

Working class upbringing. How can you say Obama had a working class upbringing, when from the time Obama was around ten years old to the time he went to college he lived and was raised by his grandparents? His grandmother was a bank vice president. As far as i know that is not working class. Obama also went to one of the most exclusive high schools in the country. I would like to know who had a higher household income while they were in high school Barack Obama or George W Bush.

Afrobaby - How quickly we forget that he worked 3 years as a community organizer making $12000 a year. How quickly we forget that he just recently paid off his college loans. Oh, least we forget, he was raised by a single parent and worked hard to get to his position in life.

1. Community organizer by choice after an Ivy League degree? That was a voluntary choice. No more anchoring him in the "working class" than Mitt Romney voluntarily spending 2 years of real poverty and deprivation on substantially less than Obama made, in a blue collar French neighborhood, as a religious missionary transformed, him into "regular working class folk".

2. His dragging out paying off his student loans was by choice. He could have got a higher-paying job earlie. And later, when he and his wife had higher paying jobs, they both elected to stretch out their taxpayer-funded low interest loans and spend their money on nicer things. Many people, financially, wish to stretch out low interest loans. It makes more sense, just like with mortgages, to go with reasonable low-interest debt on home mortgages, student loans, car paymenst - to free up money for other things.

3. He wasn't raised by a single mom. He was raised by a Muslim family in Indonesia then dumped on his grandparents after the divorce so his Mom could enjoy life overseas unencumbered by
a kid.

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Sonya - His family were on food stamps for certain points in his life.

The mother, not Barry. She applied for and got welfare and food stamps for herself and her "dependent Barry O" when she returned to get her PhD by omitting that she was pursuing a PhD instead of being unemployed and omitting that BO was living with his grandparents, attending the poshest private prep school in Hawaii, and presumably being well-fed. The mother was a basic welfare fraud.

The next time she got welfare and food stamps was when she showed up from Indonesia as an indigent well into his adulthood - and to also get free taxpayer paid medical care for her cancer.

Hey Sonya:

You forgot the terrible suffering of Michelle Obama -- she has to pay $10,000 a year for dancing lessons for her two kids, and those expensive private schools cost money too.

You think Michelle's personal trainer and housekeeper are cheap?

This kind of suffering causes people to cling to guns and religion!

Bitter and angry 'typical white person' here in Upstate NY. I am a 62 year old single female who needs desperatly to retire due to health issues. However, my health insurance costs would eat up my entire SS check should I choose to do that. I love my country and I want it back from the special interests that have come to dominate Washington. Barack Obama GETS IT and he has my vote!!

All this is, is a distraction manufactured by the Clinton camp to draw attention from Bill Clinton's stupid Hillary/Bosnia lies earlier this week.

Swarty writes: "Divorce yourself from partisanship for just a millisecond and try and figure out what Obama is trying to say. The real issues that have decimated much of rural America are ignored by politicians in order to pander on "easier" issues like guns & religion."

Why should we try to figure out what Obama was trying to say?
He said what he said and it wasn't: Politicians (the GOP) have manipulated them to think that their guns, religion, social values are more important than their economic interests."

Also, note the outright lie when he includes the years under Clinton when they were losing their jobs. Unemployment rate in Pennsylvania when Clinton took office was high-- hovering at just under 8% (7.6- 7.8%. During his two-term administration, the unemployment rate was cut in half.(Ending right at around 4%) In a steady decline year over year, unemployment went from around half a million unemployed in 1992 to just over 200,000 when Clinton left office. So over a quarter of million Pennsylvanians went OFF unemployment during that time.

You Obamabots just really don't want to believe that he says what he means when he's not in front of a teleprompter invoking the angelic choirs.

OMG!!


The newspaper elites and pundits are in complete agreement with Obama about his views of (most) of America. They all rush in and try to save him, mostly because he is "black and articulate."

There really is no other basis for their unrelenting love and support of Obama. It's not in his legislative record, weak, by any ones measure. Or his lack of courage to vote on strong issues, or even his constant slipping and sliding on almost any issue. He never wants to make a clean, clear, strong statement, about anything.

Or his choice of South Side Chicago, Black Panther environment, (he took Bobby Rush's old job, Bobby Rush was the ex-president of the Black Panthers,) that he chose as the place, to place, his political roots.

No, none of these things, mattered to the pundits and newspapers, Obama is black and articulate, and he has contempt for the common, or most of America, that's all they need, that's their litmus test.

Now perhaps it is a bit clearer that many of "Us" said his speech about race was condescending and did nothing to address, the things he said it was going to address. But for the most part the media and pundits loved it. Of course they loved it in the sense that the speech wasn't for them, because of their much higher intellectual plane....

It was for the rest of "Us," poor non-understanding slobs. "I hope they get it," said Rachel Maddow, on msnbc, and then she triumphantly said, "It's up to us!" We have to explain it to them.....

Unlike the Chris Matthews tingling leg moment, I had a I want to stick my finger down my throat and vomit moment. These Pundits/News Anchor types underestimate, eight out of ten Americans ability to understand pretty much exactly what's going down and why.... Anyway back to the Pre Ohio rise of Obamanaina. So....

How else can it be explained that a man who for the first six months of a *Presidential Campaign* no less, could get away with preaching speeches that mimic MLK, that had almost no substance, other than a pessimistic view of America, and therefore Americans.

It was the media who reinforced how great all of this is and was, college kids who inflated early on Obama "shows" don't count. For the most part they are butter brains, who have never had a job. So it is more understandable that they only need to hear the words change, and new, fifty or sixty times, in the span of about forty five minutes. They'll grow up, and once they have been hired, and maybe fired, a time or two. When and if, they have to *change* jobs, a time or two, against their tender will, then, the concept of change will take on a whole new meaning. But one can't blame them now, because for the most part, they simply don't know....

But a truly telling and remarkable thing happened in Ohio, the underling, uneducated, backward, gun toting, bible clincher's, who hate other people.... Said hey wait a minute Mr Obama, we want some substance, we want to know what it is you are going to change, "We" want you to talk policy.... "We" want more than a dizzying circle, of change change change and more change.... "We" want to know what the hell it is you are actually talking about changing....

For the first time someone or some voters actually held Obama's feet to the fire and *demanded* that he stop with the Martin Luther King rimes, and talk about what he is really going to to do.

What's incredible to me, and people like me, that no one else had done this. It was not until he got to the "back woods" of the American voters that he felt (or Axelrod and his wealthy supporters felt) like he actually had to start talking policy and making some sense, of his preaching, circular speeches....

And he has not been doing so well since.... It seems that since Obama has had to actually speak and talk about issues, his campaign has had considerable problems and mishaps, he has been taken off message. But the real problem is there was never really a message to begin with, other than the press and pundits "talking" about how great he is, because he is black and articulate.

Well that is not enough for good old dumb middle America. "We" want more than soring circular rhetoric that leads to no where, being black and articulate is not enough, "We" want someone who understands middle American and someone who understands policy.

The fundamental message here is that Obama cannot win the general election. That his elite donors who work in his conference calls and help guide his message and campaign, are exactly that, elites. The blessings of this long drawn out campaign is that every ones true colors are coming out, and the voting electorate is really getting a chance to see and understand what they are voting for.

Not the Plastic Fantastic Projections that slick organizers want to fool and force down "our" collective throats.

The Chameleon Lizard has been exposed, he has been exposed before, but the general population whom Obama has never really fooled. See him now, more clear than ever, and "the good" Rev Wright, Obama's "mentor" and adopted father, has taught us so much about the Chameleon that Obama really is. Sorry folks, pundits, and Obamaphiles, the "Affirmative Action" candidate won't be the next President of United States.

African Americans and the Latte Liberals, don't make up even half of the democratic votes, and then there is the Independents and Republicans.

Obama, loses by a landslide in the General Election....


Anti Reaganess, Big Talkers.

It was just a matter of time until he stuck his foot in his mouth. After he danced around the Rev. brohaha by tossing his white grandmother under a bus people actually started paying attention to what Obama is really all about. I think if he's elected we'd be getting a more liberal and elitest version of Jimmy Carter, if you can imagine that.

Those disinclined to put themselves in Obama's head will read the sentences and see Obama dismissing both religion and American gun culture the opiates of the masses and suggesting that their faith and lifestyle are the product of their bitterness.

But.. Marc, respectfully, that's what Obama said. How else are we to put ourselves in his head than by listening to what he is saying?

By the way, I see Obama also strongly implied these voters are racist on top of it ("people who aren't like them"). Did you hear that? I've often said the unspoken part of these constant accusations that the Clinton campaign is race-baiting is.. assuming working class white voters are racist. That's the only way such an accusation can make any sense. Is that accurate? Is that fair? And is this the kind of statement Democratic politicians and candidates for president should be making - that small town folks suffering hard times, economically, lash out and are bitter against people who aren't like them?

The venom that is spewed by repubs on this site is repugnant. Your articulations on this issue is a direct masking attempt to cover over your dull, uninspiring candidate. The repubs only chance is a truely engaging contest btw 2 very eligible candidates in the Dem. party. Rather than chiming in on a contest that does not relate to you, spend more time donating to your tired and flip-floping candidate. Puh-leeze "elitest", this coming from a candidate who just two weeks ago connected to Herbert Hoover tactics of dealing with a shaky economy, went to Memphis to pander to AA after being in Non-support of MLK holiday and has aligned himself with the ultimate "elite"...BUSH. Really? He really has the high ground on this issue. Think about those facts for a minute and REALLY push hard for your religious right voters..because they dont like him either.

Let's not forget everything he said is true. If you work in a small town and your only source of income is the steel mill that just move somewhere to Mexico because it's cheaper. 2 presidency claim the jobs will come back and they don't. Or a job was taken by someone who would work for less because there illegal. Of Course your gonna a be bitter or angry. What he was getting at was that these people are cynical of politicians and what they can do? You'll say there not going to do anything for getting me a job, So I'll vote on another criteria.

It's ironic that hillary make 100 times more money then Obama and some how he's elitist. Or John McCain is on of the richest Senators in Congress, and somehow Obama's elitist. Obama was in debt two years ago from guest what student loans, so he is probaly more in touch then most candidates are.
Look at the spin you guys buy into. Read the comments for yourself before you make any conclusions and you'll find that he wasn't being condesending. There is even audio out there of him saying it. Do a little research and don't buy into the spin.

I agree totally MM, it is unfortunate that the Hillary campaign latched on to Repubs "talking points" to score political points, but I guess that speaks directly to her statement that she will be ready on day one to take 3am phone calls to reach out and inspire all those "small-town" folks she knows about, while her husband lobbies the dem controlled congress to allow free-trade with Colombia. Please speak on this Hill supporters. Seems desparate to me

Elitism is an attitude, not an income. Here is Obama's problem. This comment will be connected to his philly trip. You know the one where he refused to visit Pat's or Geno's to eat a cheesesteak. He steered away from Geno's because of the "please order in English" sign. Cheesesteaks are the food of the regular folk and an icon in Philly. What DOES Obama eat? He is nibbling on some expensive ($100 a pound) imported ham at a specialty import food shop. Tie this to his bowling game (a 37 are you kidding me??????). A kid rolling a ball with both hands from between his legs could get a 37. The "have you noticed how expensive arugula has gotten at Whole Foods" comment in rural Iowa when the nearest Whole foods was over 2 hours away.

So now he is belittling guns, religion, and xenophobia as the opiate of the masses. Something that someone who is as cultured and learned as he has been able to transcend these traditions. So this thought ties in well with him sitting in that church for 20 years, and his wife's continued elitist gaffes. She had this moment in SC back in January..... (you cling to your stereotypes in your ignorance typical America......)

Mix all of this up.....you get an elitist who will help lead the ignorant masses, who will help them in spite of their ignorant ways......

srb, is this your attempt to make the "latte-coffee" tag stick. It really sticks to your craw that Obama has been able to transcend from an after-thought candidacy to being on the precipice of being your POTUS. It's OK, breathe deeply ..count to ten and dial some numbers for campaign contributions and fight harder for your candidate, while the will of the people elect the best Democratic candidate in office in Nov.BTW it appears as if it will be BO.

What he says is exactly right. And true to form, Hillary cranks up the pandering to eleven with her "elitist" comments (she of the $109 million) and blasting John Mellencamp at her latest rally.

It's all so secondhand and reactive it doesn't even deserve to be called "calculating" anymore.

I agree with both the Obama and Clinton sides when they discuss the other. Neither candidate is worth a flip.

OUR TIME HAS COME TO FULLY SUPPORT BEHIND SENATOR CLINTON TO WIN IN NOV

http://www.theproblemwithobama.com/

VOTERS DEMAND OBAMA DROP OUT NOW, WITH ALL THE NEW POLITICAL DAMAGING STUFF COMING FROM HIM AND MICHELLE OBAMA, IN ADDITION TO WRIGHTS CONTINUED OBAMA DEFENDED ATTACKS ON WHITE AMERICA. HE WILL SURLY LOOSE THE GENERAL ELECTION FOR DEMOCRATS.

Obama Connection to Terrorists Revealed March08 National Association of Chiefs of Police. http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/31408.html

Obama has a dual citizenship with Kenya Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden would be praying for an Obama victory because it would help the militants win in Iraq. Citizen Wells 3/08

Memories of Obama's recent racial stereotype of the 'typical White person' are still fresh. Add to this now his view of the 'typical small town person.' Obama is quoted as disparaging residents of small towns in Pennsylvania as being “like a lot of small towns in the Midwest” where “it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

Obama is unapologetic, even dissing of voters in Florida and Michigan one has to wonder what groups of Americans he really respects?

Racist wife, Michelle, saying she was proud of America "for the first time" only because of her husband's presidential run.

Obama explained he doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin or hold his hands to his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance because it is a substitute for patriotism,

Obama confirms his own moral obliviousness and he seems to have disdain for those who are troubled by his own unwillingness to break with The Great White hater Rev Wright

Rev Wright says you don't have to wait for the afterlife for the mansion on the hilltop, he’s right! To shut him up Trinity United Church of Christ is building Rev. Wright a $1 mil house on a lot that was purchased for $345,000. According to federal income tax return Obama gave $222,500

Wright continues his Obama supported attacks on non-blacks Wright states Jesus death on the cross was a public lynching Italian style.

Obamas senate record shows he infact did support the war voted against bringing America's troops home, voted for war appropriations giving our money to Halliburton and Blackwater, voted with Bush/Chaney latest bit of posturing S433 to suspend any troop withdrawal, if not suspended, keeps the troops in Iraq for a long time to come.

Washington Post- Fact Check- Senator Obama CAUGHT LYING about Kennedy Role in Helping His Father Contrary to Obama's claims in speeches Kennedy family did not.

Chicago Daily Herald- Obama refers to himself as 'a constitutional law professor on the campaign trail. TRUTH: He never held any such title!

Truth hurts. He is brave and so right. What can i say we elected Bush for the second term. I'm sooo frustrated that so many of us are completely out of touch with what's really going on in this country. Obama gives me hope.

First Obama "deeply regrets" the comments made by his Pastor and friend Rev. Wright. So, do I. But I condemn them. Then again, I'm just a typical white person.

Now, he "deeply regrets" his references made about Pennsylvanians being bitter. Condescending speech. Then again, I'm just a typical white person.

I deeply regret that I am forced to listen to Obama's deep regrets. But then again, I'm just a typical white person.

Senator Obama just does not get it. He clearly does not understand why his words are so hurtful and perceived as condescending and divisive. It's not the word bitter that many red-blooded patriotic small town Americans are offended by. It' s rather that he's told us that we're clinging to our faith and our guns as a result of something that he's perceived as a "result" of our frustration with government. He suggests that in some way the faith of those of us who live in small towns is superficial, and some sort of a crutch that we only bring out when we're felling downtrodden by the government.

In reality, we here in small town PA happen to like our small town values. We keep our faith through up and down times and always have. Our small town values stem from and are the bedrock of the American patriotic values that built this great nation. Furthermore, the people of our small towns embrace their religions out of faith, not out of bitterness or frustration. Most small town citizens in PA and across our nation are decent, hardworking, giving, caring, friendly and patriotic. They certainly do not deserve to be categorized as closed minded, anit-immigrant, gun toting, bigots that were Obama's remarks made out in California to a small group of money people. It’s a very unfortunate and utterly rediculous stereotype of the citizens of our small towns in PA and across the nation, and it shows yet another display of a total lack of judgment on the part of this candidate for the Presidency. Mr. Obama has created in his own mind for whatever reason, a very flawed understanding of people who live in small towns in PA and across the U.S. - people who go to work everyday, play by the rules, and only want to do right by their families and their communities.

Senator Clinton with her own family roots in small town PA actually gets it. Obama clearly does not.

The supporters of Obama say it is hope and change that make their legs tingle.Hope for what?change to what?no response.This is the way we elect our dictators in Africa.Amazing how small the world can be.One more thing.Obama is realy closer to Africans than black Americans he has no black American background strugle history at all.Do not understand why African Americans vote for him 98% at the time!They should be remind that O can not win without some typical white folks,the very ones he insulted two days ago

He is saying politicians have always used 'wedge issues'...he referred to that in the Philadelphia 'race' speech.
so what is wrong with that? He is absolutely correct.It is only CNN that is giving voice to the desperate Hillary. And King is really stupid. This guy is a reporter? All three of Toobin,Caferty and Bolger thought this was laugahable. MSNBC with Matthews and Olberman will have the correct take on this.

Hillary better worry about all those unpaid bills instead of the nomination she ain't going to win.
That Columbian cash sure will prove handy.

Obama is telling the truth and it is not pretty. But how often is the truth pretty?

D--n right I am bitter. I know a lot of bitter Americans who have lost a lot of faith in American government because of the crooks like Bush and Clinton that have run it for the last sixteen years.

So yes, I lean a lot on my faith and yes, I want to keep my rights to my guns.

Most of all, I would walk six miles through three feet of snow to keep the lying scum, the Clintons, out of our beloved White House.

And next time Bill need a little loving, I pray that lighting strikes him before he and his Mrs. throw another naive young woman like Monica out as meat for the mob.

As a woman with a young daughter, it is the Clintons' way of using young women that makes me willing to do anything to send them back under the rock they crawled out from.

They will be fine there. I am sure the Colombians and the Chinese and all those other people selling "free trade" in the USA will keep them fat and happy.

Only In America could someone who grew up a poor Biracial child be considered Elitist compared to the daughter of well-to-do Upper Middle Class Republicans and the son of a member of our Elite Military Command

It's the world's largest case of Mass Cognitve Dissonence I've ever seen

Obama – Black is Wright

Obama attracts thugs and bullies to his campaign and personal life and is able to do so with impunity.
If Obama where Caucasian, he would have been bulldozed by the media long ago.

Look at Obama’s affiliations:

- Senator Meeks who openly hates whites and gays and is listed prominently on Obama’s campaign website as a major Obama supporter and backer and is one of Obama;s super-delegate. Mr. Meeks has been integral in helping Mr. Obama succeed in politics.

- Mr. Ayers of the Weather Underground, a group that killed police and tried to bomb the US Capitol, served with Obama on the board of the leftist foundation called the Woods Fund.

- Robert Malley a close senior adviser to Obama who advocates negotiations with Hamas and providing international assistance to the terrorist group.

- Larry Sinclair alleges in 1999 Senator Obama’s arranged to meet him in a limousine, sold Senator Obama cocaine and then gave Senator Obama oral sex. Larry then claims that he and Obama went to a hotel and preformed oral sex again. Mr. Sinclair is testifying in court under oath that these allegations are true.

- Mr. Auchi is an Iraqi billionaire and major financial sponsor and closely connected to Obama’s rise to power.
While working with Saddam Hussein, Auchi made his fortune through the selling of arms in Iraq and the funneling off of money from the Oil for Food program.

- Mr. Rezko an Iraqi citizen and Obama’s and Auchi’s long time friend and a major mob figure. Rezko is NOT known for his civic sense of duty and does not do favors without asking something in return. Coincidently in the Chicago Times today it was reported that Rezko was negotiating to purchase rehab buildings in Obama’s district.

- Mr. Wright a racist who hates America and whites with Hitleresque triads. Mr. Wright has been Mr. Obama’s spiritual mentor for over 20 years. Before the media exposed Mr. Wright, Mr. Wright was on Obama’s campaign staff as Obama's chief religious advisor. Mr. Wright and Mr. Meeks are ideologically closer to Karl Marx and Black Nationalism, than to Christianity.

- Rashid Khalidi a fundraiser for Obama and is one of Obama’s close friends. Khalidi Khalidi claim Israel as a "catastrophe", and supports Palestinian terrorist groups.

- Mr. McPeaks is Obama’s military adviser and national campaign co-chairman who publicly states that American Jews are the "problem." and “Christian Zionists were driving America's policy in Iraq to benefit Israel.”

- Michelle Obama trumpets Obama as “the second coming of the messiah,” and also states that she “has never been proud to be an AMERICAN in her adult life".

The list goes on…

How can Obama’s bad judgment to choose to affiliate with criminals and fanatics be justified?

Had Hillary Clinton had any of the above ghosts in her closet, she would have been thrown out of the election long ago.

Hey everybody - am I missing something here?

Are we so in love with the color black that we forget to see the man?

I knew he was a phony. This is too delicious. My only regret is that so many states including mine have already voted. So, COME ON PA!!! Do us all proud once again and send this guy packing!

You Obama supporters are the kids who got their butts kicked in high school and nobody listened or cared about you, guess what now you have an agenda, sad truly sad. I invite you white idiots to take a midnight stroll through downtown Detroit just to remind you of how lilly white you are, oh by the way i am hispanic, we find it funny all the white kids who want to support someone who hates their white asses. are you raging against the folks or doing what those old bitter professors at college tell you to think. You dont even know. Sorry for being blunt but it seems most of you are just practicing your debating skills, anyway, I will vote mcain so peace

How can Democrats nominate a candidate who will not draw the votes of blue-collar whites, small-town America, Hispanics, Catholics of almost any ethnicity, and Jews?
Do Obama supporters serious think that a coalition of African-Americans, young people, and upper-income voters is going to beat McCain in November? That's just delusional...

What's sad, for the nation, is that what people misread, and believe to be the Truth, all too often becomes the Truth. Obama (and I am not a supporter, although Hillary is pushing me towards him) makes a fairly accurate and plain observation about desperation in decline, and because some run to key words and latch on to them, those words come to define the entire assessment. Because erstwhile leaders lack ideas or philosophies to counter the assessment, they strive to spin the assessment into something other than it is, something negative. In the end, as is always the case, we get the government we deserve. People too lazy to think, and too timid to consider the broader world around them, create a government that will take their liberty in exchange for promises of security, their rights for promises of stability, and eventually their lives because by that time they have become worthless in the eyes of those that claim to lead them.

thanks gryphonisle san fran thanks for the sophist comments. were you at the obama speech been to san fran scary place therefore not disturbed by your accounts. philosphy is sweet but we live in a world dictated by religion and hate not pragmatism so you are like the rest fuzzy your know a hippy dude go vote for obama it will be your only chance to be heard and no one cares

Why do the Clintonites LIE like Republicans?

The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer."

From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.

This is what people in Southwest PA feel. We are struggling to keep our population and rebuild our economy. Bush visited us 30 times in 2004 and nothing he has done policy wise has helped.
We need to keep focus, November is about ending Bush policy and elect a Democrat, probably Obama.

This is what people in Southwest PA feel. We are struggling to keep our population and rebuild our economy. Bush visited us 30 times in 2004 and nothing he has done policy wise has helped.
We need to keep focus, November is about ending Bush policy and elect a Democrat, probably Obama.

This is what people in Southwest PA feel. We are struggling to keep our population and rebuild our economy. Bush visited us 30 times in 2004 and nothing he has done policy wise has helped.
We need to keep focus, November is about ending Bush policy and elect a Democrat, probably Obama.


Just because you worked as a community activist and earned $12000/year doesn't mean you are not elitist. I am an academic and know lots of academics/professionals who do volunteer/activist work in poor communities, yet hold very elitist views. They profess to understand the poor or working-class, and offer clinical solutions to their problems.

These "...cling to guns and religions" comments by Obama, coupled with statements he made in Iowa about farmers in July

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNqJ7N8wy5E

provide evidence (to me at least), that he elitist. And of course, there was his comment he made in Iowa about the price of arugula at Whole Foods!

I am a Midwestern middleclass, second amendment living, hard working, non religious (but religious tolerant), white male who is not bitter or disenfranchised from my community or my country. I have never served in the military but I will always honor everyone who has and what they stand for. The only small minded people I encounter in the real world that I live in are the hard core left wing Democrats that disgrace us all with their daily diatribe of Anti American rhetoric. This great nation was not built on the insipid whining of cry babies and the politically correct prattle of Marxist wannabes like SNOBama and Billary.

The Democrats are in for a surprise in November when the Red States will hand them their arse one more time.

Thank God for the common man.

America - please lie down on Obama's couch . . .

I'm so sick of Sen. Obama's platitudes and ideological circumspection, his enlightening philosophy. Oprah and Dr. Phil can psychoanalyze us. I want someone who KNOWS how to DO the JOB. He has shown me nothing. His experience is lacking, and his character vague. He's VAGUE.

Whether his "bitter" gaffe even reflects truth is a matter of perspective. It's not just the "bitter" part, of course. It's the fact that he said this bitterness is why people cling to religion, guns, and their positions on undocumented workers and trade deals. I may not agree with everyone on those issues, but I certainly don't assume they're just bitter and ignorant, and I'm not even campaigning to be their president. THAT is what's wrong with what he said.

Hey, he can say this kind of stuff all day long if he likes, but not if he expects the bitter, ignorant working class, small town lunch bucket democrats to vote for him. I wonder if Obama thinks his clinging to religion is born from some type of bitterness, or was it for political gain?

But what's truly disturbing is that these comments, like those of Rev. Wright, seem to focus on the motives of Americans, and find us people of hate, ignorance, and pettiness. That surly exists, but does it exist at the level these remarks seem to indicate? Is this why Michelle Obama is finally proud of her country? Because she has a distorted view of her country?

Seems like Obama is trying to apply some psychological motives to a lot of Americans that don't ring true. I have my own views on religion, immigration, and gun control that are probably in line with Sen. Obama's views, but my views don't come from bitterness, and I take issue with his analysis of the small town America I come from.

We don't need a Psychologist in Chief. We need a president who has more than platitudes to right this ship.

Hey Marc just a question for you

If Obama's remarks were not condescending or elitist as you have so claimed then please explain to all of us why he decided not to say it while he was campaigning in Pennsylvania but instead did it at a closed PRIVATE fund raiser that he didn't think anyone outside that fund raiser would have heard?

And of all places it was in San Fransisco--where else would you expect this address to come from?

Give me a break-- nice try but it doesn't work-- your missing the point.