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Penn Is Run Out

06 Apr 2008 07:26 pm

That Mark Penn would one day step aside from the Clinton campaign has been, as they say in sociology, overdetermined for a while. He had few allies inside the campaign, he was subject to withering criticism in the press, and he simply refused to give up his outside work, some of which conflicted with Sen. Clinton's policy positions.

After Thursday's disclosure in the Wall Street Journal that Penn had met with the Colombian government about its trade agreement, Clinton's aides were put in the position of not being able to come up with a defense for Penn; he had done the indefensible. For Clinton, who has tolerated Penn's public errors in judgment because she believed in his strategy, it was the last straw.

"The senator and president were very angry about the meeting. Mark knew that he had made a very big mistake and decided to step aside," a senior campaign official said tonight.

Penn will continue to serve as the campaign's chief pollster. But it unlikely he will serve the campaign in any public capacity, such as participating on press conference calls or appearing as a television surrogate.

Geoff Garin, who began polling for the campaign last month, and Howard Wolfson, the campaign's communications director, will take over messaging and strategy duties.

Here is the statement from campaign manager Maggie Williams:

After the events of the last few days, Mark Penn has asked to give up his role as Chief Strategist of the Clinton Campaign; Mark, and Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates, Inc. will continue to provide polling and advice to the campaign.

Geoff Garin and Howard Wolfson will coordinate the campaign's strategic message team going forward.

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Comments (37)

So they weren't aware of his firm's client until now? Or is lobbying for a position antithetical to the campaign ok, but not meeting with one's client about such lobbying.

Interesting that the Colombian fired Penn first. And,further proof of the calculating Clintons they still will retain his services as a pollster. Penn must know where all the bodies are buried.

Technically he is not run OUT. He is run aside. He is still the pollster for the campaign.

Oh, c'mon people, are we really all that gullible?

He's staying on to do polling?

Sounds to me like a non-firing firing designed to end a bad media story and to give the media an excuse to create second-look, "Hillary comeback" narratives because she has now shaken up her team.

Meanwhile, Penn will be giving polling info and advice under a different title.

Seems like smoke and mirrors to me....

Don't be fooled, America. All this really amounts to is keeping Mark Penn out of the public eye for the duration of the campaign. He'll still be doing polling and advising, but he's "out" of the campaign? Yeah, way to lay the hammer down, Hill.


You mean Penn is only pensioned off temporarily?

Hey, I can't wait until he joins a future administration and simultaneously hold a job like Treasury Secretary and President of BM.

No problem here, no conflicts.... just pesky people.

Penn's not gone. His title was changed and he may not be as high-profile, but it sounds like he'll be doing pretty much the same job he was doing before.

The Clinton campaign wants credit for dumping Penn without actually, you know, dumping him.

I imagine, if he actually was let loose, he'd turn into Hillary's Dick Morris, running around all the Sunday talk shows revealing all the dirt he knows about the campaign.

"Look Hill, I'll step aside but you *will* keep me in your campaign because you owe me a cool million or two. I'm not going anywhere until you start using those fundraising dollars you're begging for to pay me!!"

Tomorrow morning, Joe Scarborough will tell us how Penn's firing will cause all the superdelegates to flock to HRC.

Ben nailed it.

The Clintons can't really throw Penn under the bus because they know that he could and would make millions in a tell-all book about in inside of the Clinton campaign.

If he decided to give the inside scoop on all those race-baiting stratgies it would doom the Clintons.

So, the Clintons are kind of stuck with Mark Penn for life...

You don't get to break deals with the devil...

He's still a part of the campaign, if not a public face. And he will continue to do polling and give advice.

IMO, this was simply to push the lie she told over her support for the Iraq war off the top of the news sections tommorow or try to bury it completely.

Brad, you're so right. I can't stand that show anymore. Scarborough's "aw-shucks" im just a media type and not a sleazy GOP operative schtick makes me nutty.

And i don't think they pushed him aside. I think he quit. Terrible strategist, sure, but he can see the writing on the wall...

Marc:

How come this reported blog does not dissect democratic pols who play dirty with GOP? I want to defeat GOP, but with class.

Today on ABC with George S., Katrina V. went on tangent making nasty remarks about Condi Rice.

What if the roles were reversed?

Can you imagine anyone in GOP saying nasty things about a person of color in Democratic Party and surviving? Apology would have been the start. Think of Trent Lott.

Obama will defeat McCain. End of story.

If McCain has Condi as his VP, at least it will give minorities some point of discussion.

Is democratic party a weak party to say nasty things about someone who may diversify apponents?

Katrina V., a wealthy white woman, shows how nasty this campaign is.

The Senator and the President were angry? She's now coordinating with Bush? Or are we talking about EX-President Clinton? Clearly the latter, but in this context it's hardly helpful.

And from what I've read elsewhere, Penn isn't gone. Just hidden from public view. Big difference.

alikarimbey:

A little off-topic, don't you think?

And speaking for fellow "minorities", adding Condi Rice to his ticket does zero for McCain. Race aside, people of color are not going to vote against their interest to put Condi Rice one step from the White House. Shit, she's practically three steps away now, and we can see the damage she's done. Why would we want her to have MORE power?

Just now seeing Star Wars Episode 3, I just figured it out. Senator Clinton = Senator Palpatine.

The Dark side.

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Shuffling Penn? That's not just a deck chair; that's a goddamn Barcalounger.

Between Mark Penn, Solis Doyle and with an assist from Bill, they managed to sink the inevitable candidate. Now someone needs to make a documentary about that.

"Mr. Penn, care to comment on your reassignm...er, resignation?"

"Bo shuda! Bring me Solo and the Wookiee. They will all suffer for this outrage!"

Penn is not really gone; read the fine print. With the Clintons you always have to read the fine print.

Penn is not gone; he has just lossed his "title" and will be less publicly visible.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the actual payments he will receive from the campaign. Of course, knowing the Clintons they will find a way to hide those.

The Clintons hired Penn because they wanted an amoral bastard to run their campaign (like they hired Dick Morris to run the show in Bill's day) with a mentality to win at all cost (euphemistically called 'being a fighter').

They didn't bat an eye when Penn (and his firm) signed on to lobby for Colombia in March of 2007 or with McCain later on. They only cared that Penn got caught and it made them look bad. Let me repeat: They only cared because he got caught.

Bill has sold influence during his presidency (Marc Rich) and after his presidency (Kazakhstan). There's no moral outrage here, just political posturing.

Senator Clinton = Senator Palpatine.

Perhaps you've missed the *obvious* similarity of Palpatine to Lieberman?

Bill Clinton is a beguiling con man who
nevertheless made a big noise in politics.
My ears are still ringing even though his
buffoonery is now being derided by the
once-fawning media.

Hillary? Hillary is a fart in a bathtub.

c/mon people

was it an accident they hired another pollster a few weeks ago

are we not smarter than this to believe this is Hillary's deep moral outrage -

This week Hillary will call on Barack Obama on NAFTA and go through that whole smoke screen again

Mark Penn is still with the campaign - likely still calling the shots

This is the public flailing
Taking one for the "gipette"

Penn has not been a public face of the campaign since Maggie Williams took over. In fact, not too long ago Penn claimed that he did not have an official role in the campaign. Furthermore, the took the Colombia contract 2 months after signing up with the Clinton campaign and there were articles back in January that Hillary was aware of this problem.

It just flies in the face of credulity that Clinton would get in front of cameras in Ohio and say that her campaign officials would never meet with foreign governments and then ask the press to substitute her name for Obama's when she knew that Penn was working for the Colombians. We also know from the Canadian press that some in her campaign called the Canadian embassy about NAFTA. So is did she just hope that Penn would not meet with them in person so that we could have another Clintonian parsing moment?

Hillary is a bore. Her campaign's antics are just really getting tiresome. He has lost his title, but he is till polling and providing advice, so what is the frigging difference? Do we now have to parse what the defintion of stepping down or working for means now? Like I said, tiresome.

And it is a bit disappointing that all of the press, including Marc here is just reporting it as a parting of ways or something significant, instead of just a press release that has no proper meaning except to mollify her union supporters in PA and help her save face. But nothing has changed except titles.

Oh and one more thing, it is a bit curious the timing and all. Just as the press is ramping up to run stories on what exactly did Bill do to earn $15m from Ron Burkle and ask questions about connections between Bill and Hillary donors and people who paid Bill for speeches and conflicts of interest, we have this news/non-news.

Anyone else find this curious? It seems everyone is now talking about this insignificant tripe and not about the significant stuff. Follow the money!

The Clintons now have shown that they have absolutely no credibility whatsoever.

The Clintons now have shown that they have absolutely no credibility whatsoever.

The Clintons now have shown that they have absolutely no credibility whatsoever.

The Clintons now have shown that they have absolutely no credibility whatsoever.

Bubba - I don't think you're crazy to bring up the timing. I'm 23, so I may have a bad perspective on this, but the first time I can remember hearing about people manipulating the news cycle was when my dad explained to me why some news stories were "created" on certain days and others weren't. Maybe the Clintons didn't invent this idea, but it's when I first heard about it... might have something to do with the fact that the Clintons came into power when CNN was gearing up as well.

Anyway, I think there's fire with that smoke. To this day, Obama is portrayed as the deceitful one on NAFTA-gate. He lost that "news cycle" - right before Ohio voted, of course. The Clintons know how to work the news cycle better than anyone. This isn't a coincidence, just like it isn't a coincidence that they finally got around to releasing the taxes on a Friday.

I, for one, dread waking up at 6 am to climb into my car on my way to work to hear Bill Press make excuses for Hillary.

Now, let's all pretend to be outraged that Penn was meeting with his Colombian clients that his firm was representing for a year, discussing a free trade agreement that we're supposed to pretend to think is bad for American workers, even though it is clearly not. Perhaps we can express our outrage by voting for Barack Obama, who also pretends to be outraged by trade agreements, even though every high school history student knows that stifling free trade turned the recession of the late 20s into the Great Depression.

John S. - I think you make a good point. It's not a coincidence that NAFTA became an issue in the campaign when Ohio and Pennsylvania loomed around the corner; if things had been tied up by Super Tuesday, who knows if it would have even been addressed?

From my perspective, it comes off as pandering to modern-day Luddites - from both camps.

Penn is not run out, he is demoted, in that Hillary will continue to receive polling and advice. Why no clean break, Hillary? Penn told you there would be no conflicts of interest at the beginning of the campaign - did he lie to you (and if so why not fire him outright) or did you tacitly understand he would run consulting contarcts as long as it was discreet?
And what about your basic judgment to have the head of the world's largest PR firm be the principal straegist for a Presidential campaign? Does that not bespeak of something improper, or by business as usual Washington standards were you just relying on low-information voters not caring at all?

>For Clinton, who has tolerated Penn's public errors in judgment because she believed in his strategy, it was the last straw.

You seriously expect me to believe Penn was freelancing?
GTFOOH.

It is a disservice for the Media to claim that Mark Penn has been fired or has stepped down or that he will not be affiliated with the campaign. This is contradicted in Maggie Williams' statement which says "After the events of the last few days, Mark Penn has asked to give up his role as Chief Strategist of the Clinton Campaign; Mark, and Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates, Inc. will continue to provide polling and advice to the campaign. " From the following statement it is accurate for the Media to say he has been DEMOTED! Although many in the Media are trying to insinuate that he has been fired or has stepped down, this is a FABRICATION and Media has a right to inform Truth and not falsifications.

'"The president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, James Hoffa, said through an aide tonight that the change is of little significance, since Mr. Penn will continue to advise and poll for Mrs. Clinton's presidential bid. "Demotion doesn't answer General President Hoffa's concerns. Mark Penn is still on her payroll and Burson-Marsteller's payroll," a spokeswoman for Mr. Hoffa, Leigh Strope, said. "Title demotion doesn't indicate loss of influence."' "In a statement on Friday, Mr. Hoffa called for Mr. Penn's ouster. "Someone like Mark Penn should not be dictating strategy, and possibly legislation, for a Democratic candidate for president," the Teamster leader said."

Anyone with any Political smarts and savvy, should know that the Clintons are not REALLY getting rid of Penn and that this is just a smoke screen -- he is far too valuable to them and knows WAY too much for them to push him under the bus. He will still be pulling the strings behind that Wizard of Oz Curtin, as they say,polling and advising! This is just more double talk, double speak, misstate, misspeak and misspoke moment. Mark Penn should step down for Real!

This is a non-firing, he will still be giving "advice" in the background and doing polls. He just won't be front and center in the public eye.

Meanwhile, what about that Ron Burkle connection? And Hillary's earmarks? And how much cash does she have on hand? Has she paid those outstanding bills?