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Why Obama Tolerates Clinton's Presence

21 May 2008 08:04 am

For some Democrats, watching this primary go on and on and on is like holding a yammering baby in a movie theater. every single second seems like an endless, endless eternity of cringing. How does one square the dislike that Democrats in places like West Virginia and Kentucky have for Barack Obama with the national poll numbers showing him soundly defeating John McCain? As the primary goes on, the opportunities for Clinton backers to feel slighted is magnified -- hence Geraldine Ferraro's opinion still mattering. Well, Clinton sees herself as the representative for the party's white working class voters and women and wants to do their interests justice. She has concluded that, the longer she stays in (until June 4), the more options she has. Though she has banned her staff from speculating about the vice presidency, people close to her -- people who know her -- believe that she would want to be asked to serve and would want to serve, if the situation presented itself. Does Clinton believe that she's going to force Obama's negatives up so high that he loses the election in November and Clinton comes back in 2012? No -- if that was her intention, she'd have gotten out when the getting out was good -- when Rev. Wright was hurting Obama and Obama needed a victory, like North Carolina, to regain some footing. (The depth of worry in the Obama campaign during the Rev. Wright affair can not be overestimated -- they were very afraid.) The Obama campaign is much less dismissive of Clinton than they were two weeks ago. That's in part because Clinton is no longer a threat to them. They're taking cues from their boss -- John Edwards's endorsement was really the first time in a few months that Obama himself could allow himself a real smile, and a real sense of accomplishment, and a real sense that the competition was over.

Question: Democrats don't need to win a majority of working class whites to win the election in November, although in states like Pennsylvania and Ohio, they need to limit the Republican margin to less than 10%. Could it be that Obama's coalition and heavy turnout among African Americans will mean that Democrats don't need as many working class whites to win the election, and, correspondingly, the polarized primary has pushed them away from their nominee in general? What accounts for the disparity between the astonishingly high numbers of Democrats in states like Kentucky and West Virginia who say they'd vote for McCain -- and Obama's national lead in the polls? What is his coalition? And how does it translate into the 50 constituent parts of what a national lead actually is? Might Obama's strength in the popular vote be a reflection of Democratic energy in large states and Republican sloth in large states -- rather than a reflection of the coalition he needs to win the general election? States are more internally diverse than regions of states are. In other words -- are the demographics of Obama's coalition so skewed (in terms of previous coalitions) that his national lead will greatly overstate his relative strength in the electoral college? Or is Obama's new coalition so robust as to absorb some of the bleeding of white, working class men in states like Ohio and Pennsylvania and still end up winning? Tentative sluff to support the latter theory can be found in Obama's primary victory in Iowa, where turnout far exceeded the expectations of everyone, in Wisconsin and Minnesota and Colorado, where Obama won handily but especially among Obama's core demographic groups, and in the way the campaign has been able to organize 75,000 rallies on a May Sunday in Oregon.

Maybe the coalition will stay the same, but the internal composition of the coalition will change dramatically.

Comments (81)

I look at the polls and the demographics and the mood of the country and I come to one conclusion: the Obama campaign needs the complete and robust support of the women voters that have flocked to Hillary Clinton. In the begining this was not a vote against Obama but a vote for history: despite HRC's vote for Iraq, Kyl-Liberman, and Nafta women were energized by her competence, her strength, and the idea that this was her time. The pain of this loss is different than it woud have been in the AA community were Obama was NOT expected to make it to the end.

I think that this is were how it ends matters: these women and latinos are the key to success from where I am sitting. And it's the strongest card there is for putting Clinton on the ticket. And if presented like this, I can not see how it weakens Obama to acknowledge his desire to have women voters return to the fold.

I don't know if he has to choose Clinton or another woman: but he needs this passion. I think if he can lock down the women voting for Clinton and keep a majority of the men voting for her and capture the latino vote he will have a great mandate come November.

But I still think this is about turnout and expanding the likely voters and AA voters in the southern states and getting young voters to the polls.

He has the outlines of a broad coalition. And I think he is helped by the fact that McCain is not home for progressive women who while disappointed could not vote for him IMO. But a lot of the lower income women might, and this is what I think makes Clinton as VP very much on the table.

Much as I don't like it, lol.

Hillary Clinton will fight on and on to get on the ticket as Obama's running mate. She is focused like a reptile: if she can't be President right away, she'll cool her heels for awhile as Vice President.

Obama has no problem with women. Unlike Clinton, he has a real marriage. Obama doesn't need Clinton to make him presentable to whites, or to women. He already is.

I do agree that PASSION is the issue. If Hillary is on the ticket, the Republicans and Independents will unite in favor of McCain, with REAL PASSION. Not Hillary-passion. REAL passion.

You may be overstating the "bleeding" in Ohio and Pennsylvania. In PA, Obama leads McCain by 8 and 9 points in the two latest horse-race polls (Quinnipiac and Survey USA). Ohio and Michigan are dead heats.

If he carries at least two of those states, he'll win enough other states in the Upper Midwest (Iowa, MN, WI) and Mountain West (CO, NM) to win easily.

On his coalition, it already includes a healthy number of independents. Unfortunately for him, the Republicans nominated the one candidate who also appeals to independents. Otherwise the election would be a walkover for Obama.

I simply do not see an overwhelming block of women moving from Clinton to McCain. Yes, there will be some. Though few are willing to truly address racism - or an "otherness" about Obama - it's there. If all these women who are crying sexism - yes, Hillary, especially you - would address the fact that racism has been far more pervasive and must stop, they'd be doing the country a great service. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've heard of no viral e-mails about Clinton like there are claiming Obama's a Muslim. Last night, Chris Matthews addressed the power of racism in this campaign and how it's benefiting Clinton. More need to have such courage.

As far as Hispanics, polls show that Obama now leads Clinton in their voting bloc. The truth is that primaries where their vote mattered came early. Now that they know Obama, they've switched allegiance to him.

There is something wrong with the Obama cult that puts "progressives" into fits of hysterics and misogyny when the name Hillary is mentioned. The fact is the MSM has been trying to oust Clinton since Iowa! You also keep referring to her supporters as working class, when the fact is that Clinton supporters are also urban, educated,and latte class as well. It is part of your Berneys' PR tactics to paint Hillary as the downscale and Obama as the upscale candidate. The fact is you never mention Obama's African American support which includes Working Class and, "Ghetto-dwelling" constituents. Fortunately the electorate is too smart than let you get away with illogical, theoretical, class, and social engineering projects. The bottom line is that Obama is a mediocre candidate with a thin resume but nice Armani suits....any sane person would see that. Democrats are abandoning the party in droves and you will notice in November when McCain wins.

HRC will galvanise the republican support for McCain if she is the VP. As polling shows, many who have voted for her in the Appalachian states will ultimately be voting McCain anyway. So her benefit to the ticket is a net negative in my opinion. Will democratic women flock to pro life McCain? I think not.

Webb as VP means he can bring in VA, PA, OH, as well as stem the bleeding some of the 'blue collar' white male Dems. Not only that but he also provides all the national security bonifides any ticket could wish for. That vs HRC?

Today Obama leads McCain by 8 points and Clinton by 26.
I think the "white" vote argument is BS.
Its time to stop fanning the flames.
He also beats McCain in states that Clinton does not.

Hillary won't run as Obama's vice. It's simple....they don't like each other. I have a problem with a candidate who can't even stand up for his "values" in his own church. No matter what excuses are brought to the table, the cold hard facts are that he did not leave the church or at least go on record of not supporting that kind of bias hatred, black or white, being spread my a so-called minister of God.

And those are only the situations we know about........with the comments made by Michelle Obama in conjunction with all the other past associations, I can understand why he didn't leave Rev. Wright's church. It is because they adhere to those beliefs as well. The facts clearly show this.

Women, and men, are leaving the Democratic Party in droves and will vote McCain in Nov. When we see Obama, we see a thin resume and a candidate who is foisted upon us by naive, dogmatic, didactic types. If you took time to leave Cambridge, Upper West Side, SF Bay...you would see that. McCain is the next president of the United States, though you may be too blind to see it.

Marc, one of your hidden assumptions is that this primary is over & Obama is the nominee, and therefore people who are still voting for Hillary are in a general election mindset and voting against Obama.
Exit polls however, show that most of the Hillary supporters still think she can win (at least in WV/KY/PA). I think a true measure of those who have flatly rejected Obama would be defined by:

-Those Hillary voters who think she cannot win
-minus those that prefer McCain as a first choice
-minus those that are voting for the historic nature of her candidacy.

This is a much smaller group, and many of these I suspect can be won over by the ideological gulf between Obama and McCain.

This business of Hillary having all this female support (and 'white' and senior support) is highly over-rated - both by the Hillary Campaign and by the cable news TV channels. Many of we females did NOT vote for Hillary. Many of we 'whites' did NOT vote for her, nor many of we seniors (I fit all three of those categories as do several friends of like mind.

Although I certainly think that racism has come into play to a certain degree, especially in some areas of the country (hey, let's face it - Hillary, doubtless in her desperation because she was not getting this overwhelming share of seniors or female votes - elected to play the race card), there are other factors, not mentioned, to be considered in some of those states where she prevailed (example that leaps to mind is 'Big Coal.' This would, and probably did factor in in places like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Kentucky and West Virginia.

Scott don't be silly. First when the press talks about Obama as and upscale candidate they mean it as a pejorative. Of course both candidates have working class and well educated support but if you want to perform a taxonomy on the nature of the support and don't want to do it strictly along lines of race and gender working class support is a reasonable way to do it. To treat this as a conspiracy is absurd. Hillary Clinton has actively cultivated this distinction.

Your bottom line is false; people are abandoning the GOP for Obama, and independents who traditionally break for republicans are breaking for Obama as well. I think this is part of the national climate and I think if Clinton won the results would be similar. There will be no Clinton exodus. If Obama is a mediocre candidate what does that make Hillary Clinton who except for during a particularly bad week or two has consistently trailed Obama in national polls?

Polls can't tell us anything about the general election...the only number that matters is 270 electoral votes and McCain is ahead in all of the red states that Bush won. Remember that Kerry lost to a very unpopular Bush. Obama is running against a very palpable John McCain. Remember it was only 4 yrs ago that Kerry begged McCain to be on the Veep ticket....Also Clinton will never allow herself to be vice president...she want to be president even if it is in 2012. She'll get my support!

There is something wrong with the Obama cult..."Ghetto-dwelling" constituents
Oh my...

If the Dems nominate Obama, they will lose.....Obama is too much of a lefist and a blank slate. Once again, instead of putting up a middle of the road person, they've let the ultra-left wing blackmail them into running a losing candidate....You all forget...McCain is popular with Hispanics, Independents, and Reagan Democrats. The Rev. Wright and Obama's partial-birth abortion stance will motivate the right wing base. McCain is staying center for a reason...he's already got the ultra-right in his back pocket...you can pretend their is no problem if you want...but it IS a problem for Obama...

Ok, let me get this straight.

Obama's national poll numbers are so good because he is too strong in the big states?

Ha.

I thought the talking points were that he could not win the big states!

Let's turn lemonade into lemons!

"McCain is ahead in all of the red states that Bush won"

I don't think that's true. Is McCain leading in CO, NV, NM, IA?

BO won many of these contests before many people started taking a closer look at who he is. I initially thought he was simply way too green to be considered. But after seeing his growing popularity, I started researching his Illinois record, his background, his colleagues, his campaign contributors, his church, etc.

Now it's not so much about HRC for me, but that he is not qualified to be my babysitter, much less president.

He will NEVER win my vote; NEVER.

McCain, obviously, has a chance at winning the Presidential election over Obama (Yes, I'm assuming he will be the nominee, but that's not to disrespect Clinton or her supporters, but because Obama has such an overwhelming lead among delegates. Naturally, should he be caught in a "dead girl, live boy" situation, that could change - at this point it is extremely unlikely). However, the fundamentals of this race really make it difficult to see McCain winning. The Republican party has become extremely unpopular as evidenced by their mounting Congressional losses, and the inability of traditional conservative campaign stalwarts to reverse this trend.

There is also the problem of Iraq. The war is massively unpopular, and unless Shangri-la suddenly breaks out, that will be a drag on McCain since Obama will spend his considerably resources trying to cast McCain as co-author of the war.

Finally, with the current weakness in the economy, it creates a general anti-emcumbant environment.

Taken together, these trends make McCains opportunity very small. Can he win? Sure! Will he? I think the odds are very much against him. Saying otherwise seems to say more about the poster projecting his or her preferrence as future facts.

Kerry lost to a very unpopular Bush
Can you please check your facts before posting? Bush's popularity

Those that don't believe Obama is in trouble with the voters that are saying they'll vote McCain are deluding themselves and doing him damage since he needs to focus on capturing them rather than dismissing them. That said, even Clinton as VP won't get me to vote for Obama and I'm a highly educated (multiple degrees), multi-racial, young, yellow dog democrat who switched to Clinton after Edwards dropped out. The reasons and offenses are too numerous to name. My disdain for Obama has nothing to do with Clinton and everything to do with Obama and his fan base. Let me put it this way, I've never despised any politician before Barack Obama this primary season and I was defending Barack Obama way back when most folks didn't know his name.

The white working class doesn't only live in Appalachia. I don't know how many times this needs to be repeated until it penetrates.

Also, I don't know if you noticed, but Oregon had a primary yesterday.

Those that don't believe Obama is in trouble with the voters that are saying they'll vote McCain are deluding themselves and doing him damage since he needs to focus on capturing them rather than dismissing them. That said, even Clinton as VP won't get me to vote for Obama and I'm a highly educated (multiple degrees), multi-racial, young, yellow dog democrat who switched to Clinton after Edwards dropped out. The reasons and offenses are too numerous to name. My disdain for Obama has nothing to do with Clinton and everything to do with Obama and his fan base. Let me put it this way, I've never despised any politician before Barack Obama this primary season and I was defending Barack Obama way back when most folks didn't know his name.

Posted by jl | May 21, 2008 9:37 AM

It seems we have a new candidate for least convincing McCain troll. Congratulations, jl. We now resume our real world schedule.

It's time for Hillary supporters to stop and think about why she lost this primary, and what that says about how she'd run in a GE and run the White House. She lost because she never contested the caucus states on Super Tuesday. She never bothered to raise money outside her DLC friend base until it was too late. She changed her message 30 times: From inevitable (no message just assumption of victory), to 35 years of experience, to ready on day one, to experience necessary to change, to Clinton cleans up after a Bush, to the Big States, to the Blue States, to the Swing States, to the Commander in Chief threshold, to the candidate for women, to the I'm a fighter, to the I survived sniper fire, to the most degraded position of all: "hard working Americans, white Americans." Her campaign's message has followed the residue of support to its bottom: low-income white women who can relate to the way Hillary was trashed by her husband, and voters who would pick George Wallace over a black man.

Hillary Clinton lost because she never made the case to the Democratic primary electorate. She made assumptions that turned out to be untrue. She dismissed whole swaths of the country until it was too late.

Had she won the primary she would have made the same mistakes against John McCain. The victim card would not have helped in a general election. And if she did manage to win the GE, she would make same sorts of asinine assumptions that ruined the Bush Administration.

So many of you won't vote for Obama? Okay then, don't. I hate to say it, but this reminds me of something both my mother and father used to say to me when I was little: Stop saying it and simply do it.

Unless you're really considering voting for Obama. Otherwise I honestly don't know what the point of posting, "I'll never vote for him!" over and over again is. It sounds to me like you're simply mad your candidate lost. That's life.

Obama is doing much better with Hispanics, is leading McCain handily among them and, as another poster pointed out, is currently leading McCain by 8-9 points in Pennsylvania.

BTW Obama's Senate record is actually VERY good. His record in the state legislature is also pretty good. What his detractors usually do with his Illinois state senate record is first deride it and say he did nothing (completely untrue) and then say he was Emil Jones' right-hand man (completely true) and that Jones took legislation from other senators and gave it to Obama (partially true.)

And for those claiming they were defending Obama before anyone knew who he was, as someone who lives in Illinois I was defending him when he was still running against Bobby Rush for the Congress. And what many don't know is Bill Clinton, when he was still president, took the time to cut a commercial for Bobby Rush against Barack Obama which caused Obama to lose his first House race. So if you wonder why it is Barack Obama dislikes the Clintons so much, it doesn't help that a sitting president went out of his way to make sure a 38-year community organizer (Obama) would lose his bid to the U.S. Congress. That doesn't tend to evoke good will. Hence Obama and Bill Clinton's dislike for one another.

Marc,

Excuse me, did you say tolerate Clintons presence? Would you say this about a male candidates presence? In my opinion this is another instance of a sexist comment.

Pamela has it right.

Anyone who thinks that Hillary would win a national election is deluding themselves. While there may be some HRC supporters who now say they won't support Barack (apparently because they would prefer a candidate who is pro-war, anti-abortion, and white), there are legions of anti-Clinton voters who don't necessarily care for McCain, but who would be damn sure to get out and vote for him -- or rather against Hillary -- if that were the choice. I don't think Barack stirs that type of hostility (except among a few die hard HRC supporters).

Of course, this whole primary debacle could be cured by a little real democracy (shock horror)--what if we actually chose the candidate through a popular vote on a nationwide primary day?

Until then, Obama-Richardson!

You have quite an arrogant attitude. It reeks of sexism. Writers such as yourself are fueling a lot of the resentment people are feeling toward the media. Using the word "tolerate" is about as offensive as an ignorant person can get when talking about Hillary Clinton who is a viable candiate whether she wins or not. Have you ever run for public office? Have you ever withstood the nastiness that is thrown in any candidates face? If not then shut up. Didn't your parents teach you to respect other people? Evidently not.

Michael

I disagree with you. First, I did not say it is a conspiracy. I do consider it a form of band-wagoning that goes along with MSM's idolatry of Obama to classify Clinton's supporters as downscale and frumpy while Obama's supporters are upscale and tasteful. You did not mention that while MSM breaks down Clinton's demographics as Blue Collar Whites and Jon Stewart gets a laugh at their expense...the MSN doesn't analyze Obama's Afican-American supporters who happen to be mostly working class and poverty level. These are demographics that are invisible during this campaign...are the press ashamed of them? While it is true that Obama's style comes off as arrogant and effete to many Americans, it is a matter about how he is perceived by the masses of people it is separate from the media's obsession with one part of Hillary's demographic base. It is a fact that Americans (of all classes) perceive Obama as effete, intellectual,and "foreign" which is a minus in many parts of the country. You get the electorate you have, not the electorate you wish for....and you might not be happy that McCain will likely win in Nov.

Marc: Why don't pundits realize that OREGON IS A LARGELY WHITE WORKING-CLASS state? Can they just not handle the cognitive dissonance -- the contradictory idea that Obama can clobber Clinton by winning white working-class votes, provided they aren't racially motivated voters in a relatively small area of the US known as Appalachia? It's not THAT hard to understand, is it?

This thing is going to be gigantic ass-kicking, the likes of which we haven't seen in a generation or so. McCain has never ever been campaigned against from the left, and now that Obama has pivoted to the general, and has started painting McCain as the continuation of Bush, this thing will be over quickly. It is not merely that Bush is incompetent, which he is, but it is that the policies he has backed and McCain has supported throughout his career lead to unmitigated disasters in the economy, foreign policy, and the ability to govern.

Obama will wipe the floor with McCain as soon as we let him do it.

@mspetuniagorgonzola

WTF? You answer the assertion that Obama and his supporters need to stop dismissing those democratic voters that say they'll vote McCain and instead try to sincerely court and capture those voters, by dismissing it?! Way to ride that Unity Pony to victory. Tell me how your, "f*ck all those primary voters that aren't already for us, cause there against us," strategy works out. Since we all **know** that democratic primary voters that have been democrats all their lives aren't real democrats like the independents, and youth voters who by there own words are there for Obama and not the Democratic Party. Nope probably republicans everyone and we don't need em' anyway -- only the current Obama primary voters matter. Great advice, that.

At any rate, thank you for demonstrating the rather odious arrogance and presumptuousness so many of your fellows display when someone dares to state they don't like the One.

See ya at the convention ;)

Good Christ. I never thought I'd say this, but in retrospect, I think Marc was right to disable comments. You second-wave feminists screeching "sexism" (brush it off your shoulder? really?) are fucking insufferable.

It is a fact that Americans (of all classes) perceive Obama as effete
"fact"? please provide evidence.

IMHO...
Obama has three problems.

One is with working class whites, many of whom I suspect really do like Hill. Imagine that! Now will they come back to Obama, as Dems, or will they go to McCain? I suspect that at lest some of them will vote for McCain, but the majority will end up voting their pocket's and go for Obama as someone who can right the economy. (But I have also long suspected that xenophobia and racism are both rooted in economic fear more so then straight up hatred)

The second is Women. Like someone already said the most ardent Feminist who felt that Hillary was their time and their Girl will not vote for McCain based simply on McCain's staunch anti-choice stance. This would include the most active groups. So then you have stay-at-home's and other working women, many of whom I suspect will vote on the same issues their husbands and brother’s and vote on, namely the economy. Can they afford food and gas?

The third problem is people over 55. I can't see anyway that Obama ever wins this group, ever. His best bet is to keep it close by talking about Social Security. But the threat is, in addition to sexism and racism, repeatedly brining McCain's age into play opens up the Ageist box, which could easily cause backlash similar to NH and SC among those close in age to McCain.

That said the first two can be worked over in the ensuing months between now and November. Furthermore, a big push and a drop of humility from Hillary would easily pull many of those women back into fold. A Webb VP could help with Appalachian Voters, but he is also a bit of a Misogynist, so that could hurt Obama with women, so many Ted Strickland.

Furthermore, although Obama does face challenges (The Race for President is a big deal, challenges are to be expected) McCain has just as many; most notably, his Hard-Right flank with Christianist, anti-immigration groups, a good chunk of libertarians, and much of the Corporate Elite (Big reason for the slow fund raising). With the exception of the anti-immigration contingent, Obama is poised to poach votes out of these groups if McCain doesn't double down on GOP dogma like Banning Same-Sex Marriage in CA. A move which then weakens his independent appeal.

That all said I think Obama will win based on national mood and absolutely SUPERIOR GOTV/grassroots campaigning.

PS: BrianWomen, and men, are leaving the Democratic Party in droves

Where did you pull this out of? your ass? Democratic Voter Registration is Sky High, and growing, all across the country in Places like FL, MI, VA, CO, OH, ect, Not just the SF Bay, UWS, and Boston. You need to leave your hole in Coal Mines of West Virginia and see the rest of the country.

bjd:

Thanks for your charts. Do you really consider 50% for Bush in 2005 a strong popularity rating?
Obama is not running against Bush...he is running against McCain. McCain is popular with Democrats and the conservative base will fall in line.

It is great to see polls that have defied fact. Obama has not won the big states in this primary, nor will he in November. Hillary supporters will not flock to Obama as is assumed, no matter what Hillary does after the primaries are over. Obama is simply a poor candidate against John McCain, Yes, he is different by virtue of his race, but he is no match for McCain, nor can he handle the presidency.

It is great to see polls that have defied fact. Obama has not won the big states in this primary, nor will he in November. Hillary supporters will not flock to Obama as is assumed, no matter what Hillary does after the primaries are over. Obama is simply a poor candidate against John McCain, Yes, he is different by virtue of his race, but he is no match for McCain, nor can he handle the presidency.

It is great to see polls that have defied fact. Obama has not won the big states in this primary, nor will he in November. Hillary supporters will not flock to Obama as is assumed, no matter what Hillary does after the primaries are over. Obama is simply a poor candidate against John McCain, Yes, he is different by virtue of his race, but he is no match for McCain, nor can he handle the presidency.

There seems to be plenty of “bitter blue-collar workers” in here. I say give those bitter folks what they want either with Hillary or McCain. After 4 years of the nonsense they would bring may knock some sense into those bitter folks of America. But until then keep on being helpless angry bigoted hate mongers while watching the world change around you.

Scott, I strongly contest the fact that McCain will likely win in November. While there is some indicators that point in this direction there are many more point in the opposite direction. I think an honest appraisal of the situation will lead to the conclusion that the GOP will probably lose in November. I think this would be true for Clinton and I think it is true for Obama. Obama and Clinton both have negatives. So does McCain. You can list Obama's negatives but they are not more meaningful than McCain's or Clinton's. Obama is at this moment and most moments over the past few months the top candidate in a national race.

I do sort of agree that the class based distinctions largely vanish when you take into account factors of race, but I think this is understandable, while it is more acceptable to ridicule working class whites, working class whites are also romanticized as somehow more real, or authentic, or no-nonsense, or representative of America in general in a way that working class blacks are not. Hillary Clinton has deliberately cultivated the distinction to her benefit with her victories in OH, PA and Appalachia.

I think generally Obama is more popular than Clinton but Clinton is marginally more popular in swing states. I think for example Clinton has a better chance of winning Florida and West Virginia. Obama has a better chance in Colorado, and Virginia. In National polls Obama does similarly well to Clinton in PA, OH, and MI. Maybe a bit worse. Obama's main Advantage is that McCain will have to fight Obama in lots of states that he could take for granted if he was against Clinton. I would say taken as a whole it is more or less a wash.

bjd:

Thanks for your charts. Do you really consider 50% for Bush in 2005 a strong popularity rating?

bjd:

Thanks for your charts. Do you really consider 50% for Bush in 2005 a strong popularity rating?

bjd:

Thanks for your charts. Do you really consider 50% for Bush in 2005 a strong popularity rating?

bjd:

Thanks for your charts. Do you really consider 50% for Bush in 2005 a strong popularity rating?

It is crazy to listen to the Clinton spin. Obama will be chosen overwhelmingly by the superdelegates because:
1. He followed the rules and won the majority of delegates. FL and MI don't count, because of DNC rules. If the nomination were decided by popular primary-only votes, Obama would have run an entirely different campaign. It is beyond unfair to change the rules now.

2. He has 10s of millions more dollars.

3. He has tens, (hundreds?) of thousands more volunteers--real people on the ground

4. He has a better organization -- a quarter of a million in his voter database alone.

5. He has the enthusiasm: Hillary's rallies usually number in the hundreds--maybe thousands. His routinely number in the 10s of thousands.

6. He has the high road, and the better discipline: Obama/No Drama; he's run a campaign people are proud of, ethically.

For all these reasons, add his charisma and lack of Clintonian historical negatives, this should be a no-brainer. He helps the Democratic Party. To over-rule the voters, the donors, the volunteers--political suicide.

Agree with Elrod.

The bickering about HRC and the great divide is ridiculous. At the end of the day, whomever is the nominee Democrats are still Democrats. We have have similar views and must come together. After all we do not want what has happened in the last eight years to continue on in the future.

Stop whining.

Anywho, Obama 08

I'm a white working female over 55 Republican who is supporting Obama all they way. There are a lot of us out here. I even convinced my Democrat husband that if Hillary were the nominee the election would be over before it started and we would have a continuation of the Bush debacle.

I just don't know why you people are hurting yourself with Obama- Hilary candidacy matters. Don't you think that Hilary is already a loser? while she was laughing out at Obama a few months ago when she was over the moon of winning against a so-called black Obama, the real candidate was fighting for his battle, and now he has won it, you people can't accept it. Come on, don't be ridiculous, just see the fact and agree that your candidate is not the good one for the country. At the bigining, Obama was the inexperienced one, the incapable one and then he became the good vice-president one for the Clinton camp, although he was ahead of her. But the fact is Obama the inexperenced one never changed his campaign team, while the experienced one does not stop changing hers . I just guess how she would have managed this country if she was elected. Thanks God the real americans who have noticed this in time and decided to kick her out. As for Mccain, he seems too old and too incompetent for this post. Can you people tell me how long he is going to be fit for this post? he is going to spend all his energy campagning against Obama and when the time will come to manage the country, he will be good dead! I am sure even Mccain himself knows that Obama is better candidate than Hilary, and that's also makes him more scared of Obama than Hilary. I just hope you Americains make the right choice by voting the young and strongest candidate with a lot of knowledge and carisma than just having an ex first lady, who the husband had damaged the white house reputation by sleeping with low-profile ladies in the oval office. It's not because your were a first lady for some time that experience will give you more credibility than someone else. If so, then Tony Blair's wife can claim the same, even Sarkozy's wife, Clara Bruni!would be a good candidate for French presidency election, although she spend her life modelling and singing! I just want to finish by saying that Winny Mandela can not declare being good candidate just because Mandala is! Isn't it?

qjkq,

Oh my, how novel, how did I miss that. Just maybe, I shouldn't have an opinion or even dare to express it. NOT!!!!
Really, I find your comments to be sexist and patronizing and to quote you "fucking insufferable".
No...., Good Christ help me, if I take your advice and parrot Obama by brushing it off my shoulder, just like he did to Hillary in one of his speeches.
Lighten up, and think about subliminal messages are suggesting. A man does not relate to another man in these demeaning ways.

Michael:

The "African-American" demographic is then considered to be the lumpen masses according to the media. There is never a breakdown of Black Obama supporters vs. Black Hillary Supporters (they exist). What about Black Republicans? Does MSM think Blacks are a monolithic group? While the numbers may be minuscule they are worth exploring. Would MSM ever think of ridiculing uneducated Blacks the way MSM ridicules uneducated working class whites? No I don't think so, as they shouldn't.
I also find that White pandering to Obama is discriminatory and insulting on many levels. And somehow, just because this person is half black, is supposed to automatically have the skills to bring all people together and end racism? is crazy. So progressive Whites picked a candidate palpable to Whites and with movie star qualities. Yes, Whites picked this candidate!...."Here is the Black president you want" now please shut up! So the electorate has mixed messages...Are we being asked by the party to vote for a black president? or are we supposed to be colorblind? When I used the color blind criteria, I see Obama as a mediocre and deeply flawed candidate with few accomplishments to role of president. He is more of that likable,creative non-fiction writer, that you might discuss world issues with....but not presidential material....so I'm going with the proven moderate, bipartisan, McCain.

Do you really consider 50% for Bush in 2005 a strong popularity rating?
It's not unpopular. It's average in an election year.

Senator Clinton has undeniably made her case in this campaign for democratic nomination. In spite of her hard work and many positions she has held, more people have voted for Senator Barrack Obama.

No doubt she has fiercely competed, like a wounded lioness. Unfortunately, the face of democracy is defined by numbers. More Americans have chosen Senator Barack Hussein Obama than they have Hillary Rodhan Clinton. That's what democracy means.

However, the senator fron NY has decided to redifine democracy. For Mrs. Clinton democracy means "fools are at one side." It's the reason she believes those who have chosen to express their democratic right and voted for Obama should not count - because HRC is more electable.

Bizzare.

Her earliest strategy was the race spin, propelled by her husband, former President Clinton. Americans put that stuff aside and went on to give Mr. Obama eleven victories in a raw. But according to Clintonian doctrine, votes from those states did not matter because the states are small in geographical size.

The NY Senator's next focus was TX and CA where she won a sizeable junk of votes and delegates. Well, the Ilinois senator stood his ground in TX by winning the delegate count. In the TX/CA run, senator Clinton was in love with the Latino Community. But the union ended with the rise of a "Judas" from New Mexico, Gov. Bill Richardson.

Well, Patti Solis Doyle (herself Latino) was asked to resign and in her place, Maggie Williams was selected Clinton's right hand woman. Patti had outlived her usefulness because she could not deliver the Latino vote to Senator Clinton.

There was a double spin being played. Ms. Williams is an African American and so the catch was the African American vote. It did'nt work. Hillary has since lost the Latino as well as the AA vote.

The next strategy, nonetheless a spin, was Mark Penn and his polling company. It's absurd the stage of his game was outright theft in payment without work. His polling company, Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates, was at the forefront of inflating opinion polls in favor of Hillary Clinton.

It's sad most of Mrs. Clinton's money went to meet the falsity of the figures and fictitious work done by the 1976 Harvard graduate, Mark Penn. He's, in fact the man who delivered the hollowness of bankruptcy and financial ailment to the Clinton campaign.

She's never recovered from Mark Penn's machinations. Legally, she still owes Mr. Penn millions of dollars.

Exit Mark Penn, enter the sexism spin. It was kicked off with the infamous tears of NH, and bolstered by Ms. Clinton herself. Across her campaign, she has always referred to older women who've been waiting to vote for a woman president. It means she has the right to get the female vote just because she is a woman.

The sexism spin's her only political lifeline.

Now she's blaming Barrack Obama for disrespect to women. But she is undoubtedly the exploiter of sexism in this race.

Spins without end! Blue collar "White Vote" in OH, PA, VA, KY. It means African Americans cannot be counted as blue color voters because the impressively vote for Mr. Obama. Latino workers are no longer in the blue color voter group - because Gov. Richardson is a traitor of the Clintonian benevolence.

You all know the big lie going around the "big states theory of Clinton's electability." Let it not be lost that in the general election, Mr. Obama will win all the Big States Clinton has won and paint blue states like NC, VA, GA CO - deal McCain the last nail on the coffin of his political hopes.

Now it's about counting Florida and Michigan. Well, give Clinton her wins in both states. In FL she won 50-33 against Mr. Obama, and in MI she won 55-40 (Obama's name was not on the ballot). In fact 40% voted against her.

Nevertheless, if she is awarded Michigan and Florida, in the way she won, she still will not catch Mr. Obama in delegates as well as popular vote.

Americans, Hillary's next spin is the superdelegates. But out of respect for her, they have not crossed to Obama enmasse. Nonetheless, their verdict is 70% for Obama. As I'm writing, Barack Obama needs 61 delegates to win the nomination. Hillary needs 241 delegates to clinch the nomination.

After KY and Oregon, the total pledged delegates remaining are: Montana 16, Puerto Rico 55 and South Dakota 15. And the total superdelegates remaining are 241 and they are trickling to Obama every day.

Matter-of-fact, Obama has already won the majority of pldged delegates, and the popular vote.

It's the reason he was at Iowa to mark the end of the race whence it bagun.

John McCain may be a marverick, but he'll never win against a warrior with the true embodiment of the true America as we know it. White, he is. Black, he is. Multi-racial, he is. Itelligent, he is. Poor, he has been. Rich, he has become. Frontrunner, he is. President...just a matter of time.

Henry Gichaba, in the forests of North Carolina.

If you had to bet your house on which candidate can beat McCain, who would you bet on, personal preferences aside? (Of course, it's possible that either would be able to beat him). I am an Obama supporter, but I'm more a Democrat supporter, and I have to agree with the doubts being expressed about Obama. He has not won the swing states needed to beat McCain, and I am unsure whether he can win them in the fall. Hillary may be more electable, like it or not. If the superdelegates agree with this premise, will they have the guts to give her the nomination? Unfortunately, I don't think so. Are we headed for another train wreck?

If you can provide a compelling argument that Obama will do better against McCain than Clinton, please do so (citing a national poll doesn't count - Cf. Gore, popular vote, 2000).

A man does not relate to another man in these demeaning ways.

oh please. not every goddamned thing is about gender.

This is how I see it.. caveat.. I am a Hillary supporter and will always be one. She did not run a good campaign at the start and Penn was a problem. As a Non-white Catholic woman, I really believe a lot of women will not come back to vote a straight democratic ticket in the fall. My family and myself will vote for McCain. I refuse to believe that Obama did not know about his pastor, was not aware that he had filled out these questionaires.. Voted 'yes', but changed it to 'no' later (can you say flip-flop). If Wright had been an issue in December, it would be Hillary Clinton now. I just feel, she is going to get out of politics, resign her senate seat and work full time for the Clinton Foundation starting this fall..

The text of the post is interesting and spurs interesting comment. The headline is insulting, unrelated to the text, and one of the things that fans the flames of anger in Clinton people.

I am a Hillary supporter and will always be one... My family and myself will vote for McCain.

because you're opposed to all the policies and objectives Clinton would work for ? because you want to make her final two years in the Senate as difficult and free-of-accomplishment as you can ? because you think the best way for a Democratic congress to get anything done is to spend four years on defense ?

cult. of. personality.

Oh for the love of god there is nothing insulting or sexist about the headline on this blog post. Clinton has lost. She is dragging this on anyway rather than do the noble thing for the good of the party. As a woman I would have much more respect for her as a role model if she did step down. Spite is not the same thing as perserverance, and does not seem like an admirable quality of emulate. Real leaders act constructively, no destructively.

Also, I agree with some of the above commentators. Have any of the NYT journalists calling Oregon "affluent" actually been there?? I know it fits into their narrative of Obama's strengths so they're parroting it, but it's really not the case. Also, for what it's worth, the west and midwest, which are Obama's strengths have much less affluence than the east coast, where Clinton has been stronger.

On the surface it would seem like an Obama-Clinton ticket is a good way to add her support to his, but the truth is it's just not that simple. Adding Clinton would cost Obama some of his support, for a variety of reasons. First, she has her own very high negatives. Second, she embodies the style of politics he's been campaigning against. So if he added her to the ticket it would be a loud statement that he doesn't really believe his own message. Third, it would look like a sign of weakness. Fourth, it raises the spectre of an on-going power struggle should the ticket win -- and that would again raise questions about Obama's judgment.

Switching to the other side, it is naive to think that the Clinton supporters who currently say they will vote for McCain would automatically support Obama if she were on the ticket. Those who are voting against Obama more than they are for Clinton won't be salvaged for the Democrats by an Obama-Clinton ticket. And there is at least a loud branch of Clinton's feminist supporters who swear that they would find this move more insulting than not and would still not vote for the ticket. Finally, there is a good sliver of Clinton voters who have fully intended to vote for McCain all along, regardless of how the Democratic nomination was settled.

I tend to think that the ticket hurts more than it helps. But it is certainly the case that people who just add up the supporters are vastly overstating how much the ticket would help. And there's good reason to think that there are other tickets that would help more.

Watch what happens in November.. Lack of class is declaring victory, when you don't have one. If he is so great, why does he keep getting humiliated every tuesday (trounced, creamed, clobbered come to mind).. I predict that at least 20 to 30% of women will stay away from the 'D' ticket in the fall and it will be President McCain...

Can I just say that I dislike that whiny, arrogant, lying gasbag Obama and I don't want him as president? That he and his ultra-liberal ilk are dangerous for the country, just as dangerous as what we've had for the last 8 years?

Thanks....Just needed to get that off my chest.

Notice how all the supposed Hillary supporters who absolutely won't vote for Obama list no specifics? "Thin resume", Rev Wright" yet offer nothing, and I mean nothing in terms of substantiation?

It reminds me of how Muskey thought it was McGovern who undermined his campaign. It wasn't. It was President Nixon in the first ratf__k. It's the same thing happening now in a continuation of Nixonland.

Obama in a landslide. GOP know it, hence all these phony Hillary supporters. Ignore them.

I predict that at least 20 to 30% of women will stay away from the 'D' ticket in the fall and it will be President McCain...

Well, a vote out of egotistical spite counts just as much as one out of rational self-interest - so, suit yourselves!

And when McCain's newly-appointed SCOTUS judges overturn Roe, you all can get together and have a little party to celebrate your wise decision.

you are a moron. What gives Mr Coolaid the authority to have to tolerate anybody. He wants some foreign authority to tolerate what americans eat, drive or how cool they want to be and a bunch of morons are willing to vote for him. Does nt mean it gives him jack$%^T in terms of anything.

She's running for her own history now. She doesn't want to be VP, Obama is going to lose, and it would be better for her to be seen as trying to prevent his failure than being complicit in his weakness. She will only accept the VP slot if there is truly massive demand for it. Otherwise she is content to let Obama and his acolytes have their way so long as they know to shut up in 2012 when she rebuilds the Democratic coalition that has won every presidency since 1932. She's many things, but not stupid. She can see Obama's flaws and it doesn't take silly columns rationalizing how much blue collar vote Obama can lose but still win, to see that the writing is on the wall.

The election will come down to Ohio again, he will lose there in a performance remarkably similar to Kerry's 2004 run. He will win metropolitan areas with little difficulty but lose everything in between, much like he did in the primary. People will remember Clinton's arguement that she wins the "must-win" states for the General, and the Democratic race is remembered for what could have been. All because Clinton stuck in the race repeating that she can win the general, Obama can't, and why; when it comes true three months later, people will remember.

Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama each represent half of the Democratic party, and however it comes down, they should run together.

Personally, I admire Hillary Clinton for running the race through to the end. That's the kind of strength and perseverance I admire in a leader. Further, I appreciate the respect for her supporters that it represents, that she continues to fight for us.

'Course you can, Cranky! That's what the internet is for.

It will be very hard for Obama to get elected.

But hey, I'm a 60-ish woman who lives in a Red State, and often votes Republican. I actually signed up for Hillary -- and I'll be pulling the lever for Obama. Anything's possible.

Clinton sees herself as the representative for the party's white working class voters and women and wants to do their interests justice.
Possibly true, but they have no policy differences that justify that doggedness--it's not like the party was split over the war, or one supported universal health care and one no change. Her health insurance mandate and gas tax holiday don't qualify as substantial, differentiating issues that need an independent champion.

She has concluded that, the longer she stays in (until June 4), the more options she has.
She may think this, but does she? A gracious Feb or early Mar withdrawl would have left her in better odor--Bill's SC performance would not have been followed by "working, hard-working Americans, white Americans" or the failure to say anything about her supporters who gave interviews along the lines of "blacks only care about other blacks, so I'll vote for Hillary" or "I'm not a racist, it's just that blacks have no business in the White House." And as Al Giardano points out, the one thing the presdential nominee can't do is pick the veep a segment of his party is insisting he pick or else--it looks weak. Staying in weakened her shot at a veep slot.

What accounts for the disparity between the astonishingly high numbers of Democrats in states like Kentucky and West Virginia who say they'd vote for McCain -- and Obama's national lead in the polls? What is his coalition?
It's not like KY has working class people and OR doesn't--I believe the difference in median income is $3000. What Obama does not have in his coalition is many Appalachian counties--look at a map of counties that went for Clinton by 65% and it cuts right up the Appalachian section of the northern southern, or central interior, or whatever you want to call them states. Anyone looking at that map before the elections in WV and KY could easily predict Clinton's wins and margins. This could be racism, could be suspicion of outsiders (Parker's charming purity of the blood argument), could be a passionate fondness for Bill--I don't know what sets Appalachia apart. Probably it's many things. But what it isn't, is that white working class people live in Appalachia in 1.5-4 times their concentration elsewhere in the country.

Some of these posts remind me why Marc disabled comments.

"when she rebuilds the Democratic coalition that has won every presidency since 1932"


A Senator from NY is going to regain the Solid South for the Democratic Party in 2012?

Oh yeah, that's realistic!

She doesn't want to be VP, Obama is going to lose, and it would be better for her to be seen as trying to prevent his failure than being complicit in his weakness.

if she wants to "prevent Obama's failure" then she might want to stop doing McCain's job for him.

Raindog, the "solid south" was shed under FDR's leadership when democrats and conservatives weren't opposites. Conservatives went south and remained ideologically driven (half-racist) and democrats went everywhere and were class driven. The solid south isn't coming back, but after FDR's purge, the coalition was fossilized and no Democrat has won without strong support from that broad coalition of labor, poor, middle-class, catholics, and minorities. They all have to be present and energized. They probably won't all be present in strong enough numbers to win.

cleek, Obama is doing this all by himself, his campaign can't influence middle class and poor voters well enough. This election will come down Ohio and those last two primaries that Hillary won in a landslide? One, the other, or both are always carried with Ohio; Ohio is never without atleast one of them. I doubt Hillary can win this election FOR Obama.

There's an east/West difference between Kentucky working class white males and Oregon working class white males. (It relates to the "if you have a social need" theory of Clinton/Obama splits.)

Eastern WCWM's tend to believe government can and should do things to improve their lot in life (even if they haven't seen concrete evidence of late).

Western WCWM's tend to believe government can't and/or shouldn't do anything to improve their lot in life (even if they have seen recent concrete evidence).

Note also Clinton carried WCWF's.

What kind of question is this? He doesn't *tolerate* her presence. He can't close the deal. If he were really a winner he would have won by now. Nice try, but Obama is powerless on this issue.

texas rose is right. the question was silly. obama can tolerate, he can say michelle is off limits. what obama says is not the truth. it is not what will happen. as rev wright has said. obama is just a politician. he will say what he needs to say to get elected. the problem that obama faces is that contrary to what he thinks most of the voting population understands this.

Marc, If you want to convince me here is all that you have to do. Go through each state. Apply your projections, what proportion of the black vote Obama you think he will receive, what you think Mccain will receive. Tell us how you think the white vote will break in each state. Give us the list. I might disagree, but at least I could respect you.

question:

where are all these bilious/suspiciously trollish commenters coming from? are they marc's natural constituency?

are they really all disgruntled/disappointed clinton supporters? i find this hard to believe.

cunning mccain supporters aiming to sow division among democrat activists, just now coming off an emotionally charged and hard-fought primary election?

hmm. discuss.


A man does not relate to another man in these demeaning ways.


oh please. not every goddamned thing is about gender.

I guess i'm not the only who thinks this way. To me it was quite balant. The article below supports my position.

Hating Hillary

Andrew Stephen

Published 22 May 2008

http://www.newstatesman.com/north-america/2008/05/obama-clinton-vote-usa-media

Gloating, unshackled sexism of the ugliest kind has been shamelessly peddled by the US media, which - sooner rather than later, I fear - will have to account for their sins

History, I suspect, will look back on the past six months as an example of America going through one of its collectively deranged episodes - rather like Prohibition from 1920-33, or McCarthyism some 30 years later. This time it is gloating, unshackled sexism of the ugliest kind. It has been shamelessly peddled by the US media, which - sooner rather than later, I fear - will have to account for their sins. The chief victim has been Senator Hillary Clinton, but the ramifications could be hugely harmful for America and the world.

I am no particular fan of Clinton. Nor, I think, would friends and colleagues accuse me of being racist. But it is quite inconceivable that any leading male presidential candidate would be treated with such hatred and scorn as Clinton has been. What other senator and serious White House contender would be likened by National Public Radio's political editor, Ken Rudin, to the demoniac, knife-wielding stalker played by Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction? Or described as "a fucking whore" by Randi Rhodes, one of the foremost personalities of the supposedly liberal Air America? Would Carl Bernstein (of Woodward and Bernstein fame) ever publicly declare his disgust about a male candidate's "thick ankles"? Could anybody have envisaged that a website set up specifically to oppose any other candidate would be called Citizens United Not Timid? (We do not need an acronym for that.)

I will come to the reasons why I fear such unabashed misogyny in the US media could lead, ironically, to dreadful racial unrest. "All men are created equal," Thomas Jefferson famously proclaimed in 1776. That equality, though, was not extended to women, who did not even get the vote until 1920, two years after (some) British women. The US still has less gender equality in politics than Britain, too. Just 16 of America's 100 US senators are women and the ratio in the House (71 out of 435) is much the same. It is nonetheless pointless to argue whether sexism or racism is the greater evil: America has a peculiarly wicked record of racist subjugation, which has resulted in its racism being driven deep underground. It festers there, ready to explode again in some unpredictable way.

To compensate meantime, I suspect, sexism has been allowed to take its place as a form of discrimination that is now openly acceptable. "How do we beat the bitch?" a woman asked Senator John McCain, this year's Republican presidential nominee, at a Republican rally last November. To his shame, McCain did not rebuke the questioner but joined in the laughter. Had his supporter asked "How do we beat the nigger?" and McCain reacted in the same way, however, his presidential hopes would deservedly have gone up in smoke. "Iron my shirt," is considered amusing heckling of Clinton. "Shine my shoes," rightly, would be hideously unacceptable if yelled at Obama.

Evidence to the contrary notwithstanding, American men like to delude themselves that they are the most macho in the world. It is simply unthinkable, therefore, for most of them to face the prospect of having a woman as their leader. The massed ranks of male pundits gleefully pronounced that Clinton had lost the battle with Obama immediately after the North Carolina and Indiana primaries, despite past precedents that strong second-place candidates (like Ronald Reagan in his first, ultimately unsuccessful campaign in 1976; like Ted Kennedy, Gary Hart, Jesse Jackson and Jerry Brown) continue their campaigns until the end of the primary season and, in most cases, all the way to the party convention.

None of these male candidates had a premature political obituary written in the way that Hillary Clinton's has been, or was subjected to such righteous outrage over refusing to quiesce and withdraw obediently from what, in this case, has always been a knife-edge race. Nor was any of them anything like as close to his rivals as Clinton now is to Obama.

The media, of course, are just reflecting America's would-be macho culture. I cannot think of any television network or major newspaper that is not guilty of blatant sexism - the British media, naturally, reflexively follow their American counterparts - but probably the worst offender is the NBC/MSNBC network, which has what one prominent Clinton activist describes as "its nightly horror shows". Tim Russert, the network's chief political sage, was dancing on Clinton's political grave before the votes in North Carolina and Indiana had even been fully counted - let alone those of the six contests to come, the undeclared super-delegates, or the disputed states of Florida and Michigan.

The unashamed sexism of this giant network alone is stupendous. Its superstar commentator Chris Matthews referred to Clinton as a "she-devil". His colleague Tucker Carlson casually observed that Clinton "feels castrating, overbearing and scary . . . When she comes on television, I involuntarily cross my legs." This and similar abuse, I need hardly point out, says far more about the men involved than their target.

Knives out

But never before have the US media taken it upon themselves to proclaim the victor before the primary contests are over or the choice of all the super-delegates is known, and the result was that the media's tidal wave of sexism became self-fulfilling: Americans like to back winners, and polls immediately showed dramatic surges of support for Obama. A few brave souls had foreseen the merciless media campaign: "The press will savage her no matter what," predicted the Washington Post's national political correspondent, Dana Milbank, last December. "They really have their knives out for her, there's no question about it."

Polling organisations such as Gallup told us months ago that Americans will more readily accept a black male president than a female one, and a more recent CNN/Essence magazine/ Opinion Research poll found last month that 76 per cent think America is ready for a black man as president, but only 63 per cent believe the same of a woman.

"The image of charismatic leadership at the top has been and continues to be a man," says Ruth Mandel of Rutgers University. "We don't have an image, we don't have a historical memory of a woman who has achieved that feat."

Studies here have repeatedly shown that women are seen as ambitious and capable, or likeable - but rarely both. "Gender stereotypes trump race stereotypes in every social science test," says Alice Eagley, a psychology professor at Northwestern University. A distinguished academic undertaking a major study of coverage of the 2008 election, Professor Marion Just of Wellesley College - one of the "seven sisters" colleges founded because women were barred from the Ivy Leagues and which, coincidentally, Hillary Clinton herself attended - tells me that what is most striking to her is that the most repeated description of Senator Clinton is "cool and calculating".

This, she says, would never be said of a male candidate - because any politician making a serious bid for the White House has, by definition, to be cool and calculating. Hillary Clinton, a successful senator for New York who was re-elected for a second term by a wide margin in 2006 - and who has been a political activist since she campaigned against the Vietnam War and served as a lawyer on the congressional staff seeking to impeach President Nixon - has been treated throughout the 2008 campaign as a mere appendage of her husband, never as a heavyweight politician whose career trajectory (as an accomplished lawyer and professional advocate for equality among children, for example) is markedly more impressive than those of the typical middle-aged male senator.

Rarely is she depicted as an intellectually formidable politician in her own right (is that what terrifies oafs like Matthews and Carlson?). Rather, she is the junior member of "Billary", the derisive nickname coined by the media for herself and her husband. Obama's opponent is thus not one of the two US senators for New York, but some amorphous creature called "the Clintons", an aphorism that stands for amorality and sleaze. Open season has been declared on Bill Clinton, who is now reviled by the media every bit as much as Nixon ever was.

Here we come to the crunch. Hillary Clinton (along with her husband) is being universally depicted as a loathsome racist and negative campaigner, not so much because of anything she has said or done, but because the overwhelmingly pro-Obama media - consciously or unconsciously - are following the agenda of Senator Barack Obama and his chief strategist, David Axelrod, to tear to pieces the first serious female US presidential candidate in history.

"What's particularly saddening," says Paul Krugman, professor of economics and international affairs at Princeton and a rare dissenting voice from the left as a columnist in the New York Times, "is the way many Obama supporters seem happy with the . . . way pundits and some news organisations treat any action or statement by the Clintons, no matter how innocuous, as proof of evil intent." Despite widespread reporting to the contrary, Krugman believes that most of the "venom" in the campaign "is coming from supporters of Obama".

But Obama himself prepared the ground by making the first gratuitous personal attack of the campaign during the televised Congressional Black Caucus Institute debate in South Carolina on 21 January, although virtually every follower of the media coverage now assumes that it was Clinton who started the negative attacks. Following routine political sniping from her about supposedly admiring comments Obama had made about Ronald Reagan, Obama suddenly turned on Clinton and stared intimidatingly at her. "While I was working in the streets," he scolded her, ". . . you were a corporate lawyer sitting on the board of Wal-Mart." Then, cleverly linking her inextricably in the public consciousness with her husband, he added: "I can't tell who I'm running against sometimes."

One of his female staff then distributed a confidential memo to carefully selected journalists which alleged that a vaguely clumsy comment Hillary Clinton had made about Martin Luther King ("Dr King's dream began to be realised when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964") and a reference her husband had made in passing to Nelson Mandela ("I've been blessed in my life to know some of the greatest figures of the last hundred years . . . but if I had to pick one person whom I know would never blink, who would never turn back, who would make great decisions . . . I would pick Hillary") were deliberate racial taunts.

Another female staffer, Candice Tolliver - whose job it is to promote Obama to African Americans - then weighed in publicly, claiming that "a cross-section of voters are alarmed at the tenor of some of these statements" and saying: "Folks are beginning to wonder: Is this an isolated situation, or is there something bigger behind all of this?" That was game, set and match: the Clintons were racists, an impression sealed when Bill Clinton later compared Obama's victory in South Carolina to those of Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988 (even though Jackson himself, an Obama supporter, subsequently declared Clinton's remarks to be entirely inoffensive).

The pincer movement, in fact, could have come straight from a textbook on how to wreck a woman's presi dential election campaign: smear her whole persona first, and then link her with her angry, red-faced husband. The public Obama, characteristically, pronounced himself "unhappy" with the vilification carried out so methodically by his staff, but it worked like magic: Hillary Clinton's approval ratings among African Americans plummeted from above 80 per cent to barely 7 per cent in a matter of days, and have hovered there since.

I suspect that, as a result, she will never be able entirely to shake off the "racist" tag. "African-American super-delegates [who are supporting Clinton] are being targeted, harassed and threatened," says one of them, Representative Emanuel Cleaver. "This is the politics of the 1950s." Obama and Axelrod have achieved their objectives: to belittle Hillary Clinton and to manoeuvre the ever-pliant media into depicting every political criticism she makes against Obama as racist in intent.

The danger is that, in their headlong rush to stop the first major female candidate (aka "Hildebeast" and "Hitlery") from becoming president, the punditocracy may have landed the Democrats with perhaps the least qualified presidential nominee ever. But that creeping realisation has probably come too late, and many of the Democratic super-delegates now fear there would be widespread outrage and increased racial tension if they thwart the first biracial presidential hopeful in US history.

But will Obama live up to the hype? That, I fear, may not happen: he is a deeply flawed candidate. Rampant sexism may have triumphed only to make way for racism to rear its gruesome head in America yet again. By election day on 4 November, I suspect, the US media and their would-be-macho commentators may have a lot of soul-searching to do.