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John McCain's Diplomatic Preparations

10 Jun 2008 05:59 pm

Ed: the following post will test whether re-enabling comments was a good idea...)

Jonathan Martin picks up the news that Sen. John McCain is headed overseas again, this time to Colombia, in early July.

Independent, non-aligned, weakly partisan voters -- and Democrats and Republicans -- all agree the next president must restore America's standing in the world.

Some Obama supporters believe that the mere election of their candidate will serve as a collective American apology for the sins of the Bush Administration and that the world will greet Obama's presidency as if he were a liberator. Maybe. Even ... probably.

But it's John McCain who's doing the actual work right now. He goes to Europe; runs op-eds in the FT and Le Monde and has productive discussions with everyone from Sarkozy to Gordon Brown to David Cameron (i.e., re-establishing good relationships with our allies)— and now, with a stalled Colombian trade agreement, he’s going to Colombia and doing the same.

When the news here in the states focuses on Obama and foreign leaders, it can be about the universal acclamation he gets from Kenyans -- and there's something to that. But more often that not, it's about the way he'll relate to the bad folks. Or it's Obama getting completely ripped for his stance on free trade by everyone from Stephen Harper to David Milliband to Peter Mandelson to the Colobumian government.

Now, I really do not doubt that if and when a pre-presidential Obama begins to tour the world, the response will be rapturous and the crowds will prove too immense for even the Secret Service's meticulous planning. Last week's international newspaper headlines prove that Obama's candidacy is sparking immense and hopeful curiosity across the world. But the fact is that right now, McCain's the diplomat. At the very least, give him this: if he is, as commander in chief, going to stay the course in Iraq, he's going to need more allies than the US currently has.

When McCain goes before voters in the fall, he'll be able to list the countries he visited as a candidate and the relationships he's begun to build. Work, stuff, doing, action. What Obama will say is TBD.

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Comments (48)

This, I think, will be a running theme through the superstructure of the campaign. McCain has done things (diplomacy, military service, legislative success, and real post-partisan achievement) but he looks lame and can't talk about it well. As compared, Obama has done virtually nothing but can communicate (and embody) the ideas quite well. Can Obama act the part so much that he gets elected or does real life shine through aesthetics?

As perhaps (but I don't think so) one of the Obama-backers who pushed Marc out of the comment-hosting business to begin with, I have to say this is a rock-solid post that everyone in Chicago would do very well to heed. It's a great point, and I don't at the moment have a reply that is worthy of the post's substantiveness.

well I mean McCain has had off the past 4 months. obama has had 2 weeks. that's a little unfair to sayabout Obama. mccain's jokes about sarkozy had france electing a pro-american president and saying 'if you live long enough anything can happen.' Those things aren't helpful and the fact that mccain doesn't understand is why other countries won't embrass him as they have Obama.

Give it time. He has been a little busier than McCain has for the last few months. Reevaluate this thread in two months and see where we are.

John does make a couple of good points, however...

But McCain has had a head start since the Democrat selection went on for so much longer.

I would be very surprised if an overseas trip isn't lined up - and most of the European leaders will be rushing for the photo-op; not least Gordon Brown, who met with Clinton but not Obama when they respectively visited UK.

GB is a bit like MY for the reverse indicator.

I do think that Marc has good points, but c'mon: Obama has only recently wrapped up his party's nomination, after a long, grueling primary. McCain has had several months to play the diplomat.

As much as I loathe pointing out the obvious: Obama has only been a general election candidate for SEVEN DAYS. Less, if you count HRC's concession as the official end of the Democratic primary. In this modest interval, he has managed to:
1. Launch his Economy tour
2. Dispatch his Veep team
3. Take over the DNC
4. Implement several new process reforms (i.e. ban on PAC money)
5. Launch his Christian Outreach program
6. Take a Bike Ride
7. Write Scarlett.

By contrast, McCain's week was spent bungling speeches, attending fundraisers, and (!!!) booking a flight to South America.

"But it's John McCain who's doing the actual work right now."

If the goal is to restore America's standing in the world, McCain has a lot more work to do than Obama. Obama can restore America's standing simply by getting elected (and by pushing action of global warming, revising foreign policy, etc). McCain is a lot weaker in policies that will actually restore America's standing in the world, so he naturally has a lot more work to do. And you even mention that if McCain wants to stay the course in Iraq, he needs a lot more allies.

It seems to me we all have a very short memory around here. Probably comes from living everything by the minute. Anyway, Obama has not exactly been a do nothing candidate. Remember his assistance to the State Department back in January involving the problems in Kenya? When he was simultaneously running through a slew of primaries and making recordings that helped calm tensions in Africa?

How quickly we forget.

http://time-blog.com/swampland/2008/01/obamas_other_life.html

It seems to me we all have a very short memory around here. Probably comes from living everything by the minute. Anyway, Obama has not exactly been a do nothing candidate. Remember his assistance to the State Department back in January involving the problems in Kenya? When he was simultaneously running through a slew of primaries and making recordings that helped calm tensions in Africa?

How quickly we forget.

http://time-blog.com/swampland/2008/01/obamas_other_life.html

Also, don't discount the political calculation that goes into McCain's trips, insofar as they appear to back up his claim of being the mature National Security candidate. That goes right along with McCain's silly criticism that Obama hasn't been to Iraq recently. As Jim Webb recently pointed out, visiting Iraq for a few photo-ops hardly qualifies you for Commander-in-Chief.

That said, I will follow Lance's advice, reevaluate in a couple months, and see if this issue still "seems" salient.

[Ed: the following post will test whether re-enabling comments was a good idea...)]

It's not just whether enabling the comments is a good idea, it's whether some of the posts themselves consist of good ideas.

Most Obama supporters are not irrational zealots; rather, it's that McCain is, despite his alleged maverickiness, such a spectacularly bad candidate on so many fronts.

He may be visiting around the world, but he unconditionally supports the indefinite continuance of this disastrous war. His gaffes on int'l topics have not been uniformly simple "slips of the tongue" but in some cases repeated statements that show a misunderstanding (or ignorance) of world actors. (The continued shiite/al queda mix ups are just the most obvious example; there's also the confusion about the head of Iran; and others; etc.)

McCain's judgment is simply not that great, no matter how many people he visits or how much gravitas he appears to emit or that he is some sort of 71 year old "man of int'l action".

As noted above by Marc Ambinder and a commenter, give Obama some time, he just clinched the Nomination. He too can travel around and press flesh. That's not a high bar McCain is necessarily setting right now. Obama too can restore our standing better than it is now - Bush has not set much of a bar at all.

The question is who can do it BETTER?

McCain's trips do very little and are staged photo ops. His foreign policy is designed to alienate the rest of the world, like Bush's.

McSame's Iraq stance alone alienates the rest of the world. And since he would be likely to wage war with Iran if elected, that of course would disturb things even more.

McCain can go overseas as much as he wants...certainly Bush has been to foreign countries as well. That doesn't change the failed nature of their policies or the fact that most of the world disagrees with them.

You can properly lay the blame on Hillary for not dropping out of the race sooner and thereby freeing Obama to do the world traveling that is so so vital for any future President to partake in.

Like Marc said, "if he is, as commander in chief, going to stay the course in Iraq, he's going to need more allies than the US currently has" additionally, if he wants to kick Russia out of the G8 and lay the path for another period of global containment versus Russia & China, then he'll need a hell of a lot more allies - and they have to be ironclad - for that to work at any level.

Put simply, McCain's foreign policy is much more ambitious, and much less realistic than Obama's.

"What Obama will say is TBD."

Well, he could start with these numbers.

Germany
Obama: 67 McCain: 6

France
Obama: 65 McCain: 8

Britain
Obama: 49 McCain: 14

Italy
Obama: 70 McCain: 15

And I echo other commenters by saying give the guy a chance! If he'd left the country with Hillary at his throat you'd have questioned his sanity.

Ha..ha...maybe McCain (McSame) will be the first candidate to campaign more overseas than in his country. Maybe he knows that his appearances are so lame that if he's overseas less Americans will notice.

I really don't think the average American is going to take much notice, much less care that much, if McCain goes overseas. And McCain's last trip to Iraq was an utter disaster for him since he made so many gaffes.

And when McCain goes to Columbia, he will be trying to escape from an America with gas prices even higher than they are today. McCain is just trying to hide from the realities that Americans face everyday. That could very well be the perception, and should be the perception.

Also, Obama has a great excuse not to have gone overseas since clinching the nomination...namely, the long primary season.

Finally, all Obama has to do is make one swing overseas and just like here in America, his crowds will dwarf McCain's as he will be greeted so much more enthusiastically.

I'm going to have to agree with the general consensus here that it's rather premature to criticize Obama for not touring the world yet when he only finished wrapping up the nomination last week.

(And judging from the relative civility of the responses, it seems that re-enabling comments may not have been such a bad idea after all...)

John,

You are right, McCain has had three plus months to travel around and (he is still floundering -- deeds not words) but Obama has had exactly three day (since his greatest Nemesis sort of conceded and suspended her campaign). Who is the doer and who the talker? We shall see. I strikes me that McCain does not have better ideas than Obama. Around the world, people are fascinated by his bold ideas.

I'll happily admit that a McCain presidency would be better than Bush--Obama and I agree on that. (How to say that and not say that simulataneously is McCain's personal problem, see the "if I'm running for a third Bush term Obama's running for Carter's second term" puzzle.)

When it looked like the nomination would be a fait accompli at the end of February there was talk of a tour overseas. Then Hillary said "I'm $10 million in debt and 100 delegates down; how much worse could it get?" and on we went. He could hardly tour overseas during the primary, and right afterwards being seen to turn to the general and drawing the party together (and having some time for a bike ride with his kids) were, I'd argue, more immediate goals--it's not like the rest of the world will go anywhere if we don't send Obama Right This Second.

Going overseas at some point is a good idea. It's curious reading your entry that it doesn't seem like McCain is doing more (e.g. on a mission) than making a statesmanlike tour and contacts in case he becomes president (or continues in the Senate); I'm not sure a tour from Obama would be much different, for that matter. Good will all around, but the measure will be in the deals made after either man has the power that comes with the presidency.

marc
good to see a good dose of british politicos and any post that can mention peter mandelson is worth congratulating

Recently, McCain, Obama, and Clinton came to Oregon to speak. I watched substantive parts of those speeches and came away with the following impressions.

1) Clinton seemed very comfortable talking "to" people.

2) Obama seemed very comfortable talking "with" people.

3) McCain must have had a senior moment (grin).

McCain gave a speech in front of employees of a "green energy" company (solar & wind power). His topic? The importance of reviving our nuclear power industry. That's kind of like going to an NAACP rally and inviting everyone to a Klan picnic (snicker).

In short, McCain either read an inappropriate speech for his audience by accident. Or, he wanted to drive home the fact that his ideas take precendence to him over the ideas of those he speaks to ... a speech more likely made by a candidate for dictator rather than President.

Regarding McCain's globetrotting, I have a different take. Because McCain's policy is basically to continue Bush's policy, I find it hard to believe that he began to build ANY kind of relationship with any foreign leader ... except to let them know that he didn't give a hoot about what they thought, either. All he did was have a high-profile vacation abroad.

P.S. Before any of you think I'm a raving liberal, let me say that I hadn't planned on voting for any of those three candidates. I was a Ron Paul supporter who's now paying closer attention to the candidacy of Bob Barr (Libertarian). I suspect he won't be our next President. But, I've never believed in voting for the lesser of two (or three) evils and don't plan on starting to do this anytime soon.

As Marc Ambinder's blog so eloquently illustrates, political analysis by US pundants has more to do with photo opportunities than with actual policy substance.

McCain has made a number of trips internationally while Obama has been actively engaged in an politically liberating internecine battle with Hillary Clinton. That battle is now over and done with and, in my opinion, reflects the best that the US Constitution has to offer. Senator Obama is free to initiate true political policy dialogue with potential political allies, the likes of which McCain would never be able to replicate, taking into consideration his acknowledged ties to the failed, flawed and discredited policies of the Bush administration.

Give the guy a brake, once the rubber meets the road I venture to guess that he will run rings around McCain and the totally discredited/failed domestic and international political agenda of the Republican Party.

and a polite note to james...Gordon Brown did actually meet with Obama along with Mccain...

John McCain is just trying make sure there is enough coke for the Republican convention as recent reports show Minnesota is pretty dry.

Of course, he is also trying to shore up the Ted Haggard "I'm a evangelical addicted to meth and penis" vote.

Meant when Obama was in UK.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3399723.ece

"Gordon Brown is frantically trying to forge links with Barack Obama, having previously turned down the chance of a high-profile meeting with the US presidential contender at Downing Street last summer.

The Times understands there are concerns at the highest level in Whitehall that Britain does not have the relationship that it wants with Mr Obama — who has surged ahead of Hillary Clinton to become the front-runner for the Democratic nomination."

Which is actually what i said in the earlier post.

Sound of one hand clapping here. He didn't meet with Clinton in UK, (my mistake) but has met her several times before that. He hadn't met Obama face to face until April when he was over here, and basically snubbed him last year.

Another blinding decision by Gordon Brown.

Well, if I were John McCain, I'd probably try and get as far away from Bush as possible for a long period of time. Besides, the more Bush.. sorry, McCain is out of the country, the less chance there is for Americans to actually ask him questions. I can't wait for John McCain to walk through a "liberated" European marketplace and explain that it is safe only because of the surge, while a dozen helicopters hover overhead, and two crack battalions of rendition-trained secret agents pretend to be peasants selling potatoes.

Yes your right for some reason I imagined that all three were in the uk on the same morning when infact it was in the british embassy in d.c.
Though i could be really pedantic and point out that the british embassy is technically british soil and so therefore the last time Obama was in the U.K was that morning he met Brown
Anyways Brown sadly wont be around much longer to meet Obama much more to be honest

I think it is highly indicative of McCain's priorities. This does not bode well for him. I suggest he focus on getting himself elected first.

Why is anyone interested in anything that Jonathan Martin has to write about anything?

After his recent debacle over the McCain speech (not bothering to check the video of McCain's lime green speech to clearly see that what McCain said he didn't say...well, he clearly said it), any self-respecting house of journalism would have pulled his badge and ushered him out the door post-haste.

Apparently The Politico is very forgiving of this sort of thing but it would seem to me that responsible journalists would be loathe to use him as a source for much of anything. He now has no credibility whatsoever.

As for the content of the post,
we're 3 days (72+ hours) into Barack Obama's general election campaign and already damning him over not rushing around overseas to meet people? For not being the diplomat? What's up with that?

It's a non-story.

Have you guys all forgotten about the Logan Act? Or does that just apply to Democrats?

Obama has to be careful with Abroad, even if the opportunity emerges over the summer, because if foreign visits don't include large-scale events or public appearances, it'll be a disappointment, and if he does, it may be perceived -- or at least spun -- as unseemly.

(This month is the 45th anniversary of 'Ich bin ein Berliner', FWIW.)

I think the comments in this post are fine but they probably would have been better if you had waited a couple weeks. Obama clearly should not have been making "diplomatic" PR events like McCain while engaged in an amazingly close presidential primary. That's the simple and only worthwhile answer to the question posited. Obama was doing something, winning an election against another terrific candidate, while McCain was talking to reporters about how safe Iraq was.

Who are the "Colobumians"?

I also read, in the Washington Post, that Team Obama seriously considered making diplomatic visits during the six weeks before the Pennsylvania primary, but they (wisely, I think) nixed the idea. While the promise of large, adoring crowds overseas is alluring, it was probably best not to create the impression that you're snubbing voters during an important primary.

From a broader perspective, it seems rather odd the way the conversation shapes up depending on whether the candidate in question is a D or R.

First, quoting Walter Rodgers of CNN "George W. Bush had only visited Mexico, Israel and China before becoming president, and that was never an issue."

Second, wasn't John Kerry lambasted by the right and the press for saying that foreign leaders preferred him?

I don't quite think this argument holds. The fact of the matter is McCain did his most recent diplomatic travelings while Obama was in the midst of an intense primary fight with Hillary Clinton, while McCain had basically wrapped up the nomination.

Word has been floated by Mark Halperin ever since March that Obama is planning an extensive trip to the Middle East. And Obama just wrapped up the campaign. Given all this information, I would repeat what others have said: this is a non-story.

Are diplomatic credentials on the resume necessarily important for those applying for presidential office?

Have the presidents who were great in foreign affaris in the past had great experience with it prior to entering office.

Marc, your observation is probably correct. But is it meaningful?

Marc,

I can not believe that you wrote this stupid post.

"But it's John McCain who's doing the actual work right now."

Simply visiting places and keeping the policies same is as useless as a convicted felon visiting a site of the murder. McCain's foreign policy is worst than Bush's. So who cares if McCain visits France or Timbakhtu if he is going to continue war with Iraq and start a new war with Iran. McCain is a war monger and the world hates it. The world is looking for real fresh policies and not the same old sh*t of McCain. So, Marc, get real!

Well, he could start with these numbers.

One of the most significant problems with the Obama cultists is that they genuinely believe most Americans would see Europe's good opinion as a positive, rather than irrelevant or a negative. Get out of the echo chamber, folks.

It's also obvious that the talking points for his defeat are already being written: It's Hillary's Fault. As usual, Obama finds someone else to blame.

Marc,

Good to have the comments section back - and bric a bric with its correct spelling.

I think you have a legitimate point as far as the appearance of "action" and "diplomacy" by McCain, but don't see any evidence of substance. When McCain made his trips, did he secure any support from leaders to his future plans for Iraq? What evidence exists that these meetings were "productive"? I'll certainly agree the trips produced some nice photo ops and McCain's passport has a few more stamps on it, but I think we need to see more evidence of their effects before we label McCain "the diplomat".

For example, have Cameron, Sarkozy or Merkel agreed to put more troops into Iraq? Have they budged on any WTO issues such as the EU's Common Agricultural Policy that are significant barriers to the current WTO round of trade talks?

To be fair, I don't think Obama's trips as a party nominee (not a president) will produce actual measurable results either. His trips probably will, though, produce the same cordial photo ops with leaders - and perhaps large crowds curious about Obama. I'll take the photo ops and the crowds over just the photo ops.

Marc: Good observation. Maybe Obama is seeing the light now that I understand he is going to make a trip to Iraq. Of course McCain has already been there several times. I wonder what kind of a reception he'll get in Iraq. One thing is for sure; he better put on his bullet-proof vest!

Marc: Good observation. Maybe Obama is seeing the light now that I understand he is going to make a trip to Iraq. Of course McCain has already been there several times. I wonder what kind of a reception he'll get in Iraq. One thing is for sure; he better put on his bullet-proof vest!

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