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Discussion: An Elite Backlash Against McCain's Tone?

29 Jul 2008 09:45 am

LARRY KING: We're back with Senator John McCain. We have an e-mail question from Scott in Chappaqua, New York. We haven't heard that city mentioned in a while. I have noticed particularly in the past few days that you've increased your use of negative ads and personal statements about Senator Obama. Whatever happened to your assurances you would not engage in such negativity. What about your calls for a civil and respectful campaign?

MCCAIN: Well, first of all, I admire and respect Senator Obama. He has done a great job securing the nomination to his party. He also used his opposition to the war in Iraq as a way to secure that. Look, there are just start differences between us and those differences need to be drawn, whether it be health care or he wants government to basically run the health care program. Whether it's taxes where he wants to raise taxes whereas I want to keep them low. ...

A question from "Scott" in New York is just the start of it. USA Today calls a new McCain ad "
a marker on the path toward the kind of simplistic, counterproductive demonizing that many expect will poison the fall campaign."  Andrea Mitchell of NBC News describes the McCain campaign's latest ad, about Obama and injured troops, "literally not true."

The contempt that many McCain aides hold for Barack Obama rivals the contempt that McCain held for Mitt Romney a year ago. McCain's advisers know that McCain is apt to treat those held in contempt contemptuously, but no inside McCain's campaign believes that aggressively negative television ads and McCain's public dismissals will "damage one of the most unique and most popular brands in American politics."

The cadre of McCain allies who aren't part of the campaign are very worried. They believe that McCain's current crop of advisers are playing to his worse instincts, particularly his pride and his ego. When McCain is privately content, he comes across publicly as happy-go-lucky and magnanimous; satisfied; when he is combative, he comes off as combative and reactive. They worry that he is obsessed with Obama's character and willing to attribute motives to Obama that are simply unbelievable outside of an echo chamber filled with those who are predisposed to believe Obama's a phony.

Christopher Hitchens, who supports McCain's view of Iraq and the surge and who has routinely mocked Das Ein writes that "McCain had one particular strength when this campaign began: his fortitude in respect of Iraq, which entailed (as some people forget) his willingness to criticize the commander in chief in time of war. Now he is in real danger of confusing the two things and trying to make criticism or disagreement appear to be suspect in themselves. If last week hasn't taught him that this is a doomed tactic--and strategy--then he is unteachable."

"I will defend every single word in every single ad," a senior McCain campaign adviser told me last week. "But  you can't really blame Obama for gas prices," I responded. "As they say, if you're not part of the solution," and here the adviser paused and smiled, "you're part of the problem." 

Concerns about whether McCain is coming off too mean, they say, are irrelevant. The media, they believe, has created double standard that allows them to view Obama's contempt for McCain as in-bounds and McCain's attempts to draw contrasts with Obama as out-of-bounds.

What do you think?


Comments (76)

It's preposterous. Obama is hitting McCain VERY hard on policy. McCain is going after "character" and committing low blows. Probably because he's losing on most issues right now (with the possible exception of the drilling, TBD). He's obviously flustered and is lashing out, and he may actually be in danger of losing his pals in his "base". Some may even start asking how the hell he plans to balance the budget, or how ridiculous it is to say he would kick Russia out of the G-8.

on the one hand, tracking polls and monthly polls are showing Barack's fav/unfav #s to be holding steady in the mid 50s/30s. On the other hand, state and national polls show McCain making incramental gains, and no longterm benefit from Obama's trip abroad. People still like Obama but they seem less inclined to vote for him. Net: it's working.

on the one hand, tracking polls and monthly polls are showing Barack's fav/unfav #s to be holding steady in the mid 50s/30s. On the other hand, state and national polls show McCain making incramental gains, and no longterm benefit from Obama's trip abroad. People still like Obama but they seem less inclined to vote for him. Net: it's working.

Marc, can you refer to McCain ironically as "Gramps" just as you refer to Obama ironically as "The One?" How do you justify perpetuating this nonsense, aside from some faux-inside baseball irony?

I think it's going to backfire for McCain -- it's not honorable to attack in the way he's attacking and he's NOT good at it. I don't think he's cold blooded enough or stupid enough (like Bush) to really be effective in this way. It makes him look like a fucking jerk. I used to admire McCain, but this has killed it utterly. And has not done much to increase my confidence in his ability to govern. He's just not a leader. How about getting some policy ideas!

I think it's outrageous that you would throw out the idea that Obama has ever treated McCain with contempt. Rather than transcribing that comment, why not paint a picture and illustrate a time when Sen. Obama has treated Sen. McCain with contempt.

I think it's outrageous that you would throw out the idea that Obama has ever treated McCain with contempt. Rather than transcribing that comment, why not paint a picture and illustrate a time when Sen. Obama has treated Sen. McCain with contempt.

I agree with Rhoda.

Give us some specific examples where Obama has clearly shown contempt to McCain.

The problem for McCain is that he needs to attract Independents. The Independents that he is going for are usually NOT low-info voters and are sensitive to character assassinations. They want to hear policy differences and not flag pins. McCain is already ahead of Obama among low info voters by about 6 points so he's not going to alienate them, the folks he alienates are the independents.

He's not like Bush who has the luxury of just focusing on his base and turning them out in full force. He needs independents and these negative attacks are going to turn them off.

Who the hell is advising this man?

I agree with Rhoda.

Give us some specific examples where Obama has clearly shown contempt to McCain.

Why an "elite" backlash against McCain? I think this is building to a broad-based backlash.

"Angry" McCain isn't going to win over Independents. The guy whom they liked in 2000 was Happy McCain. Bitter old guy isn't an appealing persona.

Why an "elite" backlash against McCain? I think this is building to a broad-based backlash.

"Angry" McCain isn't going to win over Independents. The guy whom they liked in 2000 was Happy McCain. Bitter old guy isn't an appealing persona.

I can't think of any examples when Obama treated McCain with contempt. Wes Clark's comments are not such an example. You'll see that the "get shot down" comment was a direct response to a comment about Obama. Yes, Obama. The interviewer suggested that getting shot down was a qualification that Obama lacked. All he said was that there was no such qualification for the job of POTUS.

http://www.veracifier.com/episode/TPM_20080701

If you have examples of disrespect, please post. (Examples of third parties alleging disrespect don't count -- let's see the quotes in context.)

What double-standard? The notion of media love for Obama is the biggest myth perpetuated in this election cycle.

The media loves COVERING Obama, but that also means they scrutinize every word and action.

Can anyone honestly say that McCain's words and actions have been scrutinized to even half the degree Obama's have?

Clearly, the McCain camp believes this, which is why they are lashing out.

Marc, why don't you ask them next time: what would a McCain presidency look like and why is McCain running? Those are some basic questions I'd like to know.

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I think the republicans won an election they had no business winning in 2004 by going super-negative on Kerry, and it worked.

Bush did it against Dukakis in 88 in an election that was winnable for the democrats, and it worked.

They are using the same playbook again -- bullshit smears work. Obama's got to go negative on McCain, bigtime, to push back on this, or he will lose. Obama should make McCain's negative ads his negative issue -- and do it fast.

I don't see any contempt for Mccain from Obama and I think McCain is getting a big pass from the media. Read Bob Herbert's column from Saturday. He points out that there would be screams from the media if Obama dared to say that McCain supported the war in the first place for political reasons. On the other hand when McCain questions Obama's patriotism, the media responds with stories asking, "is Obama American enough?"

Even now that reporters on the Germany trip say there was never any plan to take the press to the military hospital in Germany anchors on CNN repeat Mccain's charges as fact. I saw a reporter on Hardball yesterday say it did not matter if the ad was false, it was effective. As usual the media is focused on process instead of reporting facts.

I don't see any contempt for Mccain from Obama and I think McCain is getting a big pass from the media. Read Bob Herbert's column from Saturday. He points out that there would be screams from the media if Obama dared to say that McCain supported the war in the first place for political reasons. On the other hand when McCain questions Obama's patriotism, the media responds with stories asking, "is Obama American enough?"

Even now that reporters on the Germany trip say there was never any plan to take the press to the military hospital in Germany anchors on CNN repeat Mccain's charges as fact. I saw a reporter on Hardball yesterday say it did not matter if the ad was false, it was effective. As usual the media is focused on process instead of reporting facts.

The problem for McCain is that he needs to attract Independents. The Independents that he is going for are usually NOT low-info voters and are sensitive to character assassinations. They want to hear policy differences and not flag pins. McCain is already ahead of Obama among low info voters by about 6 points so he's not going to alienate them, the folks he alienates are the independents.

He's not like Bush who has the luxury of just focusing on his base and turning them out in full force. He needs independents and these negative attacks are going to turn them off.

Who the hell is advising this man?

I think what you are seeing is the republican electoral machine under stress. Often when an institution is placed under stress it reaches for what is familiar and what has worked best in the past. The liberal demonization electoral strategy has put hundreds of republicans into office for the past 35 years. The instinct to reach for the old winning formula is simply irresistable. Too bad for McCain that it's not what a majority will buy this time around. The weirdness of all this is that if McCain had run an anti establishment attack the current administration campaign he would probably be walking away with the election right now. But that die was cast the minute he put all his chips on staying in Iraq indefinately.

I think what you are seeing is the republican electoral machine under stress. Often when an institution is placed under stress it reaches for what is familiar and what has worked best in the past. The liberal demonization electoral strategy has put hundreds of republicans into office for the past 35 years. The instinct to reach for the old winning formula is simply irresistable. Too bad for McCain that it's not what a majority will buy this time around. The weirdness of all this is that if McCain had run an anti establishment attack the current administration campaign he would probably be walking away with the election right now. But that die was cast the minute he put all his chips on staying in Iraq indefinately.

One of the reasons I supported Obama early on was that he doesn't "do" contempt. He's said he doesn't demonize his adversaries. He wants to campaign, govern, and relate to foreign countries using dignity, not contempt as a guiding principle for people-to-people interactions.

I don't know if this will work in the horrid world of politics, but man, it's refreshing. And as a Christian, it bothers me that so many supposed loudly proclaimed Republican Christians are so happy dwelling in their contempt of others.

I think McCain's personal contempt for Obama is going to cause him to blow up in a way that reveals a lot about what kind of person he is. I think Obama actually enrages McCain -- and not rationally. The little man turns red and smiles inappropriately and is sarcastic and disrespectful in ways that he wouldn't be toward an older, or whiter candidate. McCain is FURIOUS that Obama is even running and has this "how dare he" attitude that comes off as smug and ridiculous. I think it's going to be disastrous for him in the debates. Like Al Gore sighing. People don't like ugliness and McCain is displaying a lot of small, personal ugliness lately.

McCain is trying to use the kitchen sink strategy that didn't work for Clinton either.

Obviously there's a backlash, but from the elite? In your post, you mentioned two journalists and a guy from Chappaqua...none of which should be considered "elite" - just normal. By coloring the post in that way, you're saying that the folks who are going against McCain are the dreaded "elite" and the folks who aren't are the "non-elite"...who exactly belongs in this "elite" category? Upper income? College graduates? A benchmark might be nice...

Point being, it seems like the McCain campaign is trying to convince individuals who are malleable (or gullible) in this regard to get a "bad feeling" about Obama, hoping that they vote only with their guts and not with their brains. One can only hope this tactic falls short.

Obviously there's a backlash, but from the elite? In your post, you mentioned two journalists and a guy from Chappaqua...none of which should be considered "elite" - just normal. By coloring the post in that way, you're saying that the folks who are going against McCain are the dreaded "elite" and the folks who aren't are the "non-elite"...who exactly belongs in this "elite" category? Upper income? College graduates? A benchmark might be nice...

Point being, it seems like the McCain campaign is trying to convince individuals who are malleable (or gullible) in this regard to get a "bad feeling" about Obama, hoping that they vote only with their guts and not with their brains. One can only hope this tactic falls short.

McCain's ambition to be POTUS is CONSUMING he's maverick persona. Despite his slogan (Country First), he's demonstrated that he is willing to say or do anything to get elected. The man has no principles.

I'm an Obama supporter, but I've always had a more or less positive view of John McCain. So I'm surprised by what he appears to have chosen as his strategy in the general election: (1) throw out a bunch of highly dubious policy proposals and then attack Obama as "Dr. No" (a pretty lame jab) when he rejects them, and (2) make ugly, patently false claims about Obama's record and character (that he is personally responsible for high energy prices, that he secretly shares McCain's views on Iraq but is consciously trying to sabotage our military effort in an attempt to mobilize the left-wing of the Democratic Party), but then claim he is not attacking Obama's integrity when asked directly in interviews.

McCain could have run as a TR Republican - a progressive (in the TR sense of the word) reformer on domestic issues, and a clear-eyed, hard-headed foreign policy hawk. Instead he has opted for childish taunts and ugly falsehoods. What a shame.

BTW - you might want to fix your comment section here...when you post you get an error saying it didn't go through, so you do it again, only to find out that both posts went through. That's why you have so many repeat posts.

McCain is going to get the base revved up with this stuff, which I think is the point. And he'll slime Obama with some of the persuadables out there. But has he given anyone a reason to vote for him? Ansd with the gaffe-a-minute results of his appearances, the more he babbles, the less respect he's going to get from his press enablers. I agree with Marc's implication that losing Andrwa Mitchell is a big deal, tho it shouldn't be. I also agree with whatever strategist it was quoted by the Washington Post yesterday; he needs to come across as a happy warrior. Which he can't do, sine at heart he's an angry guy.
Bottom line: Old and grumpy is not going to win any elections.

Marc, it's not just the "Elite" that are turning their backs. It's non-partisan centers like "factcheck.org" who are calling him on his lies. Just go to www.factcheck.org and you'll see that just about everything McCain has done of lately has been false or misleading.

I think the McCain campaign's biggest problem is that this may help them in the short run to shore up their base. But once people see through what McCain is doing, he will not be in a good position. His whole campaign has been that he's a maverick, and that he's different than Bush. This last week, he was awful. I had never had distate towards McCain; I simply didn't want him because of the Supreme Court... But after last week, even though I would not have voted for him regardless, I have lost all respect for this individual.

I'm quite surprised the Obama campaign doesn't do an ad using factcheck.org's quotes against McCain's false ads. This is the summary from factcheck.org.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/snubbing_wounded_troops.html

A McCain TV spot falsely insinuates that Obama canceled his visit because "the Pentagon wouldn't allow him to bring cameras."

Lastly, we heard how the media was in love with Obama. Well, the media, as always, bought its own narrative. Just because they covered Obama a LOT doesn't mean it POSITIVE coverage. Don't believe me? Look at the new independent study.

Here's what they say:

You read it right: tougher on the Democrat.

During the evening news, the majority of statements from reporters and anchors on all three networks are neutral, the center found. And when network news people ventured opinions in recent weeks, 28% of the statements were positive for Obama and 72% negative.

Network reporting also tilted against McCain, but far less dramatically, with 43% of the statements positive and 57% negative, according to the Washington-based media center.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-onthemedia27-2008jul27,0,712999.story

I'm sorry, did I just hear someone accuse McCain of WANTING to be President too badly? Last I checked his opponent was a 46 year old junior Senator who's already written two books about his own life. Ahem.

That said, yes, McCain needs to be careful of HOW he attacks Obama. But it should be noted that his comments on the man are not half as negative as Obama's supporters (unsurprisingly) think. He's veered off into more personal territory from time to time; the worst stuff, as always, comes from surrogates, and the same goes for the Obama campaign. The two men themselves have been refreshingly respectful. McCain slightly less so, but no more than you would expect from the dynamics of the race.

Until McCain loses the election using this sort of negative campaign, nobody stops using it because it's effective. Rove was effective. Did not he get Bush elected? If Obama wins taking high roads, the republicans will change their tactics. That's the only way we can go back to more policy oriented campains.

I am voting for Obama. He is not hitting McCain's character in spite that there are ton's of grey area around McCain. Nobody questioned his hero-ness since his hero-ness is sacred (compared with Kerry's). I am from Arizona and don't have so much respect for McCain. What did he do for common folks in Arizona.

McCain got together with an heir to an Arizna beer distribution dinasty while still being married to his ex-wife. One year later, with his hero thing and his new wife's wealth in the back ground, he ran and became a congress man. He is out of touch with working class. He does not understand how it's like to live without health insurance. I used to think at least he is a man of character. Wrong. Very disppointing.

Until McCain loses the election using this sort of negative campaign, nobody stops using it because it's effective. Rove was effective. Did not he get Bush elected? If Obama wins taking high roads, the republicans will change their tactics. That's the only way we can go back to more policy oriented campains.

I am voting for Obama. He is not hitting McCain's character in spite that there are ton's of grey area around McCain. Nobody questioned his hero-ness since his hero-ness is sacred (compared with Kerry's). I am from Arizona and don't have so much respect for McCain. What did he do for common folks in Arizona.

McCain got together with an heir to an Arizna beer distribution dinasty while still being married to his ex-wife. One year later, with his hero thing and his new wife's wealth in the back ground, he ran and became a congress man. He is out of touch with working class. He does not understand how it's like to live without health insurance. I used to think at least he is a man of character. Wrong. Very disppointing.

Until McCain loses the election using this sort of negative campaign, nobody stops using it because it's effective. Rove was effective. Did not he get Bush elected? If Obama wins taking high roads, the republicans will change their tactics. That's the only way we can go back to more policy oriented campains.

I am voting for Obama. He is not hitting McCain's character in spite that there are ton's of grey area around McCain. Nobody questioned his hero-ness since his hero-ness is sacred (compared with Kerry's). I am from Arizona and don't have so much respect for McCain. What did he do for common folks in Arizona.

McCain got together with an heir to an Arizna beer distribution dinasty while still being married to his ex-wife. One year later, with his hero thing and his new wife's wealth in the back ground, he ran and became a congress man. He is out of touch with working class. He does not understand how it's like to live without health insurance. I used to think at least he is a man of character. Wrong. Very disppointing.

Until McCain loses the election using this sort of negative campaign, nobody stops using it because it's effective. Rove was effective. Did not he get Bush elected? If Obama wins taking high roads, the republicans will change their tactics. That's the only way we can go back to more policy oriented campains.

I am voting for Obama. He is not hitting McCain's character in spite that there are ton's of grey area around McCain. Nobody questioned his hero-ness since his hero-ness is sacred (compared with Kerry's). I am from Arizona and don't have so much respect for McCain. What did he do for common folks in Arizona.

McCain got together with an heir to an Arizna beer distribution dinasty while still being married to his ex-wife. One year later, with his hero thing and his new wife's wealth in the back ground, he ran and became a congress man. He is out of touch with working class. He does not understand how it's like to live without health insurance. I used to think at least he is a man of character. Wrong. Very disppointing.

Until McCain loses the election using this sort of negative campaign, nobody stops using it because it's effective. Rove was effective. Did not he get Bush elected? If Obama wins taking high roads, the republicans will change their tactics. That's the only way we can go back to more policy oriented campains.

I am voting for Obama. He is not hitting McCain's character in spite that there are ton's of grey area around McCain. Nobody questioned his hero-ness since his hero-ness is sacred (compared with Kerry's). I am from Arizona and don't have so much respect for McCain. What did he do for common folks in Arizona.

McCain got together with an heir to an Arizna beer distribution dinasty while still being married to his ex-wife. One year later, with his hero thing and his new wife's wealth in the back ground, he ran and became a congress man. He is out of touch with working class. He does not understand how it's like to live without health insurance. I used to think at least he is a man of character. Wrong. Very disppointing.

I agree w/ others who've questioned the idea that Obama or his campaign have been contemptuous of McCain. Given how weak McCain's policy ideas are, I think he' goten more respect than he deserves. I am actually offended by the shallowness of McCain's answers when asked about anything other than Iraq and, really, those answers aren't too impressive either.

These commercials are an outrage. I just wish the election were over over and Obama had won because I really am finding it difficult to tolerate hearing from McCain, and I haven't always felt that way.

I agree w/ others who've questioned the idea that Obama or his campaign have been contemptuous of McCain. Given how weak McCain's policy ideas are, I think he' goten more respect than he deserves. I am actually offended by the shallowness of McCain's answers when asked about anything other than Iraq and, really, those answers aren't too impressive either.

These commercials are an outrage. I just wish the election were over over and Obama had won because I really am finding it difficult to tolerate hearing from McCain, and I haven't always felt that way.

I respect McCain, but his time has passed. No one was more oportunistic than McCain cozying up to Bush who he hated and who played so dirty againt him in 2000. Now there is no comparison between the disciplined, efficient way Obama has run his campaign, his trip abroad, and his economic forum - to the shoddy, silly McCain campaign. We will get the government we deserve, and if we don't elect Senator Obama, then no one should complain when the only people benefiting are his oil and lobbyist friends.

If you look at the electoral map Obama presently has 238 electoral votes to some 160+ for McCain.There are about 130 toss up states ,so who has the easier task to reach 270?This really is not a close race if you look at the internal polling from the parties. This is why the negative advertising is so prevalent on McCain's side.This election is headed for an Obama landslide.

If you look at the electoral map Obama presently has 238 electoral votes to some 160+ for McCain.There are about 130 toss up states ,so who has the easier task to reach 270?This really is not a close race if you look at the internal polling from the parties. This is why the negative advertising is so prevalent on McCain's side.This election is headed for an Obama landslide.

McCain has basically nothing to run on. When he tries to talk policy, he sounds completely out of touch. For example, last weekend, when on This Week with George Stephnoaoioijaflojous...

He said he would enforce the Gax Tax Holiday by shaming the oil & gas companies into it. C'mon. Give me a break. Does he think no one is listening. How do people/the media shame these essential suppliers of fuel from taking more profits? Are people going to start boycotting the gas stations? Hardly.

I mean, seriously, he's employing the Clinton/Kitchen Sink strategy at this point. Or as I like to call, the spaghetti strategy. Throw everything and anything at the wall and see what sticks.

Sounds like a sound strategy for a potential Commander-in-Chief. Please...

McCain has basically nothing to run on. When he tries to talk policy, he sounds completely out of touch. For example, last weekend, when on This Week with George Stephnoaoioijaflojous...

He said he would enforce the Gax Tax Holiday by shaming the oil & gas companies into it. C'mon. Give me a break. Does he think no one is listening. How do people/the media shame these essential suppliers of fuel from taking more profits? Are people going to start boycotting the gas stations? Hardly.

I mean, seriously, he's employing the Clinton/Kitchen Sink strategy at this point. Or as I like to call, the spaghetti strategy. Throw everything and anything at the wall and see what sticks.

Sounds like a sound strategy for a potential Commander-in-Chief. Please...

You said, "They worry that he is obsessed with Obama's character and willing to attribute motives to Obama that are simply unbelievable outside of an echo chamber filled with those who are predisposed to believe Obama's a phony."

This is exactly what started tripping up Hillary Clinton's campiagn, wasn't it?

McCain's got it even worse. The indpendents he needs to attract might like McCain v.2000, but he's moving farther and farther away from that appealing personae. The more the man behind the curtain is exposed for who he really is today, the less the average voter likes him.

This latest turn is electoral suicide because McCain himself, not surrogates, is making the personal attacks. Obama is too disciplined to be provoked, which will ultimately make McCain all the more desperate... McCain's got to let go of it or he's going to get pulled into an inescapable vortex of angry emotional self-destruction.

I don't think it's just the elites. I mean, factcheck.org slammed McCain's latest ad as "false"

Here's their summary:
A McCain TV spot falsely insinuates that Obama canceled his visit because "the Pentagon wouldn't allow him to bring cameras."

In fact, factcheck.org has repudiated the last 10 or so McCain attacks as either false or misleading.

It's still the same old story, a fight for love and glory and the presidency.
The Republicans haul off and throw the dirtiest parts of the kitchen sink at Obama; and his rebuttal is----?
Statesmanship.
Not replies in kind, just as mean and vindictive, but striped-pants, pussyfooting words that suggest weakness and eager acquiescence and which are advanced by surrogates seemingly without eloquence, conviction or clues.
Unless there's an immediate turnaround among Obama's lame brain trust, this race is over.
And the Manchurian Candidate wins.
Then what will the broken hearts do?
Probably not bitch that "We told you so," but instead will accept defeat with low-volume grace and maintain to Obama that they were glad to be with him amid the apple blossoms once upon a time.

It's still the same old story, a fight for love and glory and the presidency.
The Republicans haul off and throw the dirtiest parts of the kitchen sink at Obama; and his rebuttal is----?
Statesmanship.
Not replies in kind, just as mean and vindictive, but striped-pants, pussyfooting words that suggest weakness and eager acquiescence and which are advanced by surrogates seemingly without eloquence, conviction or clues.
Unless there's an immediate turnaround among Obama's lame brain trust, this race is over.
And the Manchurian Candidate wins.
Then what will the broken hearts do?
Probably not bitch that "We told you so," but instead will accept defeat with low-volume grace and maintain to Obama that they were glad to be with him amid the apple blossoms once upon a time.

It's still the same old story, a fight for love and glory and the presidency.
The Republicans haul off and throw the dirtiest parts of the kitchen sink at Obama; and his rebuttal is----?
Statesmanship.
Not replies in kind, just as mean and vindictive, but striped-pants, pussyfooting words that suggest weakness and eager acquiescence and which are advanced by surrogates seemingly without eloquence, conviction or clues.
Unless there's an immediate turnaround among Obama's lame brain trust, this race is over.
And the Manchurian Candidate wins.
Then what will the broken hearts do?
Probably not bitch that "We told you so," but instead will accept defeat with low-volume grace and maintain to Obama that they were glad to be with him amid the apple blossoms once upon a time.

for God's sake, fix the comments, please.

It's worse than before.


PREVIEW before posting, seems to help.

for God's sake, fix the comments, please.

It's worse than before.


PREVIEW before posting, seems to help.

The point is not that McCain is dirtier than Obama; the point is that he is less honest in his characterization of his opponent's character, motives, and policy positions. The press does not have a responsibility to be evenhanded between truth and falsehood. The press has a responsibility to tell the voters who is lying.

The point is not that McCain is dirtier than Obama; the point is that he is less honest in his characterization of his opponent's character, motives, and policy positions. The press does not have a responsibility to be evenhanded between truth and falsehood. The press has a responsibility to tell the voters who is lying.

If being disgusted by nasty, misleading smear tactics makes one an elitist, count me in.

McCain looks a desparate, mean, dishonorable old man who will do anything to win. I have heard this from couple of independents who were thinking of supporting him. McCain's angry attacks are pushing independents away from him. And independents are the ones that McCain needs most.

What do you think?

McCain is turning into a talk (hate) radio Republican, no different from extremists like Hannity and Limbaugh.

What do you think?

McCain is turning into a talk (hate) radio Republican, no different from extremists like Hannity and Limbaugh.

What do you think?

McCain is turning into a talk (hate) radio Republican, no different from extremists like Hannity and Limbaugh.

It looks pathetic and desparate, and makes "gramps" look frustrated and angry...not presidential. My only fear: it'll work with enough "low information" voters to get him elected. Makes me nauseated to think about it.

Senator McCain sure does like to put Senator Barack Obama down. As the Wollof of Senegal say,"The man who does not love his wife exagerates her faults."
Guy Blaise

Senator McCain sure does like to put Senator Barack Obama down. As the Wollof of Senegal say,"The man who does not love his wife exagerates her faults."
Guy Blaise

Sad to say, I'm not sure this is a bad idea for a few weeks before low-info independents start tuning in for the general. It has riled up the Republican base (trolls, trolls everywhere!) and seems to have maybe pulled a bit of weak partisan support back out of the undecided category.

But looking at these small gains, Rovian Steve Schmidt is promising to run even harder and more negative over the next two weeks. If there are two dishonest negative ads a week between now and the convention, or after the convention for that matter, it will absolutely backfire. Media response has been tepid at best so far but it will get a lot stronger if one or two more ads come out after the first ads were condemned in some quarters.

Obama needs a more effective counterpunching strategy, however. He needs to get response ads out faster than he did this round, more on the order of what he did in the primary. He also needs more surrogates blanketing all of the talk shows and hammering this point home. He does sometimes absorb a first unfair attack for more ammo down the line... let's hope that's what happened here.

Senator McCain sure does like to put Senator Barack Obama down. As the Wollof of Senegal say,"The man who does not love his wife exaggerates her faults."
Guy Blaise

As a Christian, McCain is really turning me off with this un-Christian attitudes. We took a chance with Bush and they mocked us and made jokes about us from the White House after they won.

WIth all of McCain's history, I don't know how long the true Christians will stick with him. Some scholars and Christians believe one of the worst things you can do is bear false witness, gossip and tell lies about others. It is obvious this wing of the republican party has as much contempt for Christians as anyone from the left. With life issues being important I don't know if we could ever support Obama, but it is interesting the one who acts the most Christian is the one being attacked for his faith, and that is something all Christians understand.

I am leaning toward Huckabee, maybe if McCain loses the republican party will respect us more and put more effort into our causes. At least with Obama we know he won't tell us one thing to our face and make jokes about us behind our backs, but I still can't support him.

I can't support McCain. In the last week he has said:

1. Veterans healthcare should be rationed. (Changing the VA so only those directly injured in combat get medical care, when Vets were always promised they would get healthcare and what about the ones in the process? do you throw them out on the streets?)

2. Young people paying the social security for older people is a disgrace, an absolute disgrace. That is how Social security has always been funded. and what does that mean old people shouldn't get social security or they should be embarrassed to be on "welfair" or if is a "disgrace" why does he get it?

WHY doesn't the MSM even cover these things? These would be important to AMerican seniors.

What does it say about how someone governs? Bush campaigned this way AND governed this way, breaking laws, attacking people who disagree, sicing his justice department on political people who aren't on his side.... can we afford 4 more years of broken laws, lost personal freedoms and war crimes?

And by "war crimes", I am refering to the interviewing techniques Bush admits he approved. Canadian courts have ruled Bush broke international law and violated the Geneva convention. In LA two men are on trial in U.S. court for torture, they did used the exact methods approved by the President. If they are found guilty in U.S. court of torture.... what does that say about our President?

Don't expect the press to do anything except to slant reporting to try to keep the race close. They will make millions of more dollars and 10 times the ratings by keeping the race close. That is why John gets a pass, if he takes a lead they will turn on him. It all depends on ratings, and they will do anything to keep the race close.... facts are unimportant.

Of course that excludes people like FOX, they give their viewers what they want, to do otherwise would cost them ratings.

But the MSM is only looking out for their own self interest and doesn't really care about covering the news accurately. So if one candidate gets an edge the MSM will report on anything negative to bring him down. Obama has has a slight lead, if it changes the media will also. But I think McCain understands this, he has said he will be behind until the last weekend and then surge in the final days to win, he wants to stay back and allow the press to beat up on Obama.

There was a time when I thought John McCain was an honorable man of integrity -- even though I disagreed with most of his political positions. Then he started running for President and his positions started changing faster than I could track -- all in the name of becoming President. He accuses Barack of being willing to lose a war to win the election. I would suggest that McCain is willing to lose his integrity and honor in order to win an election. His behavior and his campaign have become increasingly dishonorable and it is not a pretty thing to watch.

McCain's personal attacks will also alienate Latino voters because he is not attacking policy but character, and because Obama is "different". He has a funny name, his father wasn't American, he lived in another country, can we really trust him - It's basically the same attack McCain would have used if he was running against a Latino candidate and they realize this.

Also the fact McCain almost left the Republican party because of the campaign Bush ran against him in 2000, and spoke out against Kerry's treatment by Bush in 2004 to turn around and now use the same campaign strategists and doing essentially the same thing to Obama makes me question where McCain's principles have went.

McCain's personal attacks will also alienate Latino voters because he is not attacking policy but character, and because Obama is "different". He has a funny name, his father wasn't American, he lived in another country, can we really trust him - It's basically the same attack McCain would have used if he was running against a Latino candidate and they realize this.

Also the fact McCain almost left the Republican party because of the campaign Bush ran against him in 2000, and spoke out against Kerry's treatment by Bush in 2004 to turn around and now use the same campaign strategists and doing essentially the same thing to Obama makes me question where McCain's principles have went.

Someone asked who's advising this man (McCain)? According to news reports from several weeks ago, McCain fired a huge portion of his campaign staff, and now McCain is advising McCain. Just like a lawyer who has himself for a client, or a doctor who has himself for a patient, McCain more and more is becoming McLone. I got news - that don't work. Just look at the loner we got in the White House now.

Yes indeed. What a mavericky maverick, so patriotic, so utterly full of bullshit.

"John Sidney McCain: Country First - well, unless you count the times I was making propaganda films for the North Vietnamese..."

"Someone asked who's advising this man (McCain)?"


Actually two weeks ago McCain hired Rove underlings to take over his campaign. The same people McCain said in 2000 were evil and there was a special place in Hell reserved for. The McCain of 2000 wouldn't vote for the McCain of 2008. If these people have a place in hell reserved for them because they are evil liars, does that mean McCain has sold his soul to try to win?

I think it is funny the new advisors have said McCain doesn't speak for the McCain campaign. He has said some things on the economy and his advisor said later that what McCain says in Town hall meetings isn't neccasarily the position of the McCain campaign, if you want the "official" position you will find it in writing on his website.

please stop calling obama "das ein". it's really pretentious.


Just when I think McCain can't sink any lower, he manages to surprise me. I used to have a certain degree of respect for him, although I disagreed with most of his policies. But his ridiculous ads, his nastiness, and his endless gaffes have gone a long way toward convincing me that he would be disastrous as a president. He has destroyed his reputation, either as a "maverick" or as an elder statesman.

We have had 2 examples in both of the George Bushes which demonstrate that winning a campaign dishonorably has a lot to do with how the "victor" will govern. George H.W. Bush was a mediocrity whose errors in judgement came back to haunt him, while George W. Bush has spent the last 8 years as if he has been in perpetual campaign mode--not to mention his flagrant violations of Americans' rights.

If Americans are simple-minded enough to put another dimwit in the White House, we deserve whatever befalls us.