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An Uncivil War Of Words

11 Oct 2008 04:50 pm

At Rick Warren Saddleback's Church forum, Sen. John McCain cited Rep. John Lewis, the civil rights hero and Georgia Democrat, as the example of a man whose advice he would always seek. Sen. McCain is perhaps rethinking his endorsement today, as Rep. Lewis sides with those who believe that McCain and Gov. Sarah Palin are directly responsible for "sowing the seeds of hatred and division" much like George Wallace.

"As one who was a victim of violence and hate during the height of the Civil Rights Movement, I am deeply disturbed by the negative tone of the McCain-Palin campaign.  What I am seeing reminds me too much of another destructive period in American history.  Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are sowing the seeds of hatred and division, and there is no need for this hostility in our political discourse.

"During another period, in the not too distant past, there was a governor of the state of Alabama named George Wallace who also became a presidential candidate.  George Wallace never threw a bomb.  He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise their constitutional rights.  Because of this atmosphere of hate, four little girls were killed on Sunday morning when a church was bombed in Birmingham, Alabama.

"As public figures with the power to influence and persuade, Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are playing with fire, and if they are not careful, that fire will consume us all.  They are playing a very dangerous game that disregards the value of the political process and cheapens our entire democracy.  We can do better.  The American people deserve better."

McCain's response:

"Congressman John Lewis' comments represent a character attack against Governor Sarah Palin and me that is shocking and beyond the pale. The notion that legitimate criticism of Senator Obama's record and positions could be compared to Governor George Wallace, his segregationist policies and the violence he provoked is unacceptable and has no place in this campaign. I am saddened that John Lewis, a man I've always admired, would make such a brazen and baseless attack on my character and the character of the thousands of hardworking Americans who come to our events to cheer for the kind of reform that will put America on the right track.

"I call on Senator Obama to immediately and personally repudiate these outrageous and divisive comments that are so clearly designed to shut down debate 24 days before the election. Our country must return to the important debate about the path forward for America."

Bill Burton, Obama's campaign spokesman, does satisfy McCain's call for Obama to apologize.

"Senator Obama does not believe that John McCain or his policy criticism is in any way comparable to George Wallace or his segregationist policies.  But John Lewis was right to condemn some of the hateful rhetoric that John McCain himself personally rebuked just last night, as well as the baseless and profoundly irresponsible charges from his own running mate that the Democratic nominee for President of the United States 'pals around with terrorists.'  As Barack Obama has said himself, the last thing we need from either party is the kind of angry, divisive rhetoric that tears us apart at a time of crisis when we desperately need to come together.  That is the kind of campaign Senator Obama will continue to run in the weeks ahead."

Obama does not take a position on whether McCain and Palin are inciting hatred and he does not rebuke Lewis for criticizing the prevailing McCain/Palin tone but agrees that McCain's "policy criticism" isn't comparable to Mr. Wallace or his policies. 

This war of words is just beginning..

Comments (69)

Please view this hate video from a McCain/Palin rally in PA few days ago. They don't seem to be very different from the modern day KKK. They're just missing the white sheets.

http://www.americablog.com/2008/10/witness-hate-that-mccain-and-palin-are.html

Once again the Obama campaign has let McCain paint himself into a corner. All this does is continue to raise the issue of McCain and Palin's bizarre rallies, while Obama continues to appear to be the adult in the room, calling for calm and understanding. McCain is doing himself no political favors by pissing off the graybeards of the Republican Party and now, feeling the blowback of criticism from a man he so recently commended.

The fact is that the McCain-Palin rallies created a climate of hostility that McCain himself witnessed yesterday in trying to walk back the rhetoric of his campaign: Gov. Palin has said Sen. Obama is pals with terrorists, Sen. McCain has said we do not know who Barack Obama is, his surrogates in various swing states have used Sen. Obama's middle name as a means of defining him as other. Gov Palin said Sen. Obama does not see America as she does and she fears him; sentiments echoed to Sen. McCain yesterday that he repudiated.

He has not repudiated his running mates words.

Sen. McCain can be as disingenuous as he pleases and maybe in discomfort the media will back him up on this; but Rep. Lewis was right to call Sen. McCain out. I truly feel that Sen. McCain was tacitly creating a climate in which the only logical outcome was an unspeakable act against Sen. Obama. Those fears are real and witnessed in the responses provoked at the McCain-Palin rallies.

Sen. McCain has created this situation and he can not avoid people calling attention to his actions. His ad campaign is supporting the message he and Gov. Palin have been sending in recent days.

I cannot understand how the McCain/Palin Campaign of the past week can be characterized as doing anything other than pure race baiting.

The "Who is the real Barack Obama" line is a nod to those Americans who claim they do not know Obama, that he is unlike them, ect. The reason that these people do not "know" who Obama is has much to do with the fact that he is black, and little else. How can Sarah Palin, a person who has been on the national stage for less than 2 months, be determined to be "knowable", and yet Barack Obama, campaigning for 2 years and a U.S Senator is deemed a mystery by the McCain campaign and its supporters. "Who is the real Barack Obama"= "Barack Obama is black. Black people are shady and unknowable. Vote for me because I'm not black". It is that simple, and frankly not very subtle at all. That this can be characterized as anything but stirring racial anxiety and fear among McCain's supporters (fear of Arabs, Blacks, ect.) is laughable.

The campaign is in the final stage and the economy of the world is in danger. It is hard to imagine that any unaligned voters have any interest in this discussion.

Interesting that with all the media pieces, and conservative voices calling Sen. McCain out, condemning the dog-whistle rhetoric coming from the McCain campaign - which has now spilled out in the form of wingnut hate speech outbursts at McCain and Palin rallies...

McCain decides to criticize a black fella.

I'm holding off on patting McCain on the back for "finding his bearings and recovering his honor" until I see Palin scalin' it back (you betcha), and if he can control his campaign enough to stop new unfortunate incidents, like the invocation at his Iowa rally this morning.

This sort of commentary takes place when a campaign, John McCain's, is lost to the issues of the day and has only to excite rally supporters using character and association attacks. The McCain campaign has dropped to below the bottom of the barrel political strategies. These are the same distasteful strategies employed by Bush/Rove in 2000. They worked to drive McCain from his 2000 campaign and will take his 2008 campaign into the ash pile as his effort has crashed and is now burning.

As a Lononer of African extraction i have to say that a part of me, after seeing Mccain snatch the microphone from the woman who "believes" Obama is an Arab,is slightly sympathetic.

I think Mccain is inherently a good man who does not harbour the instincts of some on the far right of his party and is conflicted with all this.

His running mate on the other hand is naturally at ease with the dodgy chants in her rallies.

Its a shame to witness a very exciting presidential race degenerate into farce.


No, I think a truce will be declared on this one.

Obama had nothing to apologise for - the comment wasn't his - but his campaign response was pitch perfect in teazing out the separate issues.

Whatever it was that those in the McCain/Palin crowds were doing this week, it didn't appear to be "cheering for reform".

Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

I commend Congressman John Lewis for criticizing John McCain and the shameful turn his campaign has taken. He will not repudiate Gov. Palin's words because he doesn't want to appear as if made the wrong decision to choose her as his #2. I am glad that Obama and his operatives have stayed above the fray.

This is all too familiar. Candidate A criticizes candidate B, candidate B surrogates scream racism. Candiadte B says "I didn't say that but whatever...". Insert Hillary into the A category. Then the Republicans get an idea of how they helped create this monster and we all learn that no matter who dares to vett Obama, you become a racist. It does not matter that he's switched his positions and/or votes depending on which way the wind blows or what state he happens to be in. I say that Obama is a hypocrit of the worst kind. Bitter and bibles and guns and gays. Hey people, this is the guy who began his campaign with swings through the South on "The Gospel Tour' featuring ex-gay ,Donnie McClurkin talking about Jesus saving him from the homos while Obama sat in the back nodding approval. Then, when it comes out, he includes a gay preacher to lead a prayer at his final 2 rallys so he can say he was inclusive. What does this guy really stand for, Dick Cheney's Energy policy? He voted for it. Amnesty for telecommunications Companies spying on Americans? He voted for it. No Lobbyists? Look at the money coming into his campaign from the Wall Street gang. Not to mention his relations, advisors from Fannie and Fredie Mac. Brezinsky, responsible for the continuation of the Cold War with his sabre rattling. Now wanting to bomb Pakistan, put more resources into an unwinnable War -Afganistan, which will end up spreading the war throughout the middle east. In the last debate he stated that we would defend the citizens of any country that practiced Genocide. That would be Iraq folks. Hussein killed his own people for daring to defy him. They numbered in the thousands. Now he says he wouldn't have invaded. Which is it? What day is it? Which way is the wind blowing? One more thing. At the last debate. Obama mentioned that healthcare companies would move to friendly states of their business practices if McCain's Healthcare plan allowed people to buy across state lines. Obama said that's what the credit card industry did by all moving to Delaware. Hey, thats BIDEN's state. Thats why they call him "Credit Card Joe". They even own his house. Didn't hear thatemntioned by any pundits after the debate. Did you?

There seems to be a problem with your analysis. You say:

Obama does not take a position on whether McCain and Palin are inciting hatred

Yet the statement by the Obama campaign you quote says this:

John Lewis was right to condemn some of the hateful rhetoric that John McCain himself personally rebuked just last night, as well as the baseless and profoundly irresponsible charges from his own running mate that the Democratic nominee for President of the United States 'pals around with terrorists.'

This statement says that Palin is inciting this stuff.

Glenn: Could you give me an example of how this exemplifies the Obama campaign's strategy of calling the McCain campaign racist? It seems from their statement that they are rebuking the hateful rhetoric of the McCain rallies - you know, where people are shouting "Kill him!" into the crowd.

The problem with you Dittoheads is that nobody is buying your b.s. anymore.

This election is pointless. There is absolutely no reason to debate this stuff. Unless we elect Obama, we are racists.

Message recieved.

May you one day receive another one in return.


The 2008 presidential election is all but over. Obama will be the winner over an opponent that found it difficult to even get out of bed in the morning. McCain bit off more than he could chew by opposing a much younger and more talented contender. The American public is soon going to get a rare treat as they watch a relatively unknown personality take the job as leader of the most powerful nation on Earth. The economy in shambles and his task will be huge. But with his youthful vigour we will be watching a new and creative approach for getting our nation back on course. With the election of the most liberal senator in Congress we can expect positive changes in the way Americans view one another. An organization called Unity House will soon be lobbying for the job of bringing the nation under one roof. Once approved and funded by Congress one million educators will spread out with the task of unifying the nation under the flag of unity. This will be done by the knocking on every door by groups of socially diversified educators. They will be spreading the word that we are all brothers and sisters that must learn to love one another. There will be those that will be angry as he dismantles a cold war system that is costing the taxpayers over a trillion dollars each year, but he will succeed. Our nation will then see millions of new jobs created as our intra--structure and education system is rebuilt to meet the needs of the 21 century. Obama has not been harnessed by greedy insiders and will be free to pursue his childhood dream of making the world and the nation a better place to live in.

Is Ambinder wearing the same rose colored glasses as John McCain. Its apparent to a blind man that Obama DOES in fact take a position on the rhetoric. Let me quote from your own post.

But John Lewis was right to condemn some of the hateful rhetoric that John McCain himself personally rebuked just last night, as well as the baseless and profoundly irresponsible charges from his own running mate that the Democratic nominee for President of the United States 'pals around with terrorists.' As Barack Obama has said himself, the last thing we need from either party is the kind of angry, divisive rhetoric that tears us apart at a time of crisis when we desperately need to come together.

That is about as straight forward and unambiguous as you can get. This looked like a Michael Scherer post quite honestly. Marc Ambinder you are a lot better than that!

This election is pointless. There is absolutely no reason to debate this stuff. Unless we elect Obama, we are racists. Message recieved.

Uh, no, sorry, you didn't receive the message. The message is: unless you rebuke charges that Obama is an "A-rab," a "terrorist!," and doesn't have the right "bloodline" to be President, you are racists. Big difference there. Nobody is asking that everyone pledge fealty to King Obama. Good and decent people - a great many of whom are prominent Republicans - are simply telling McCain to quit riling up the xenophobes and tinfoil hatters before somebody gets hurt.

If Obama were Jewish and Palin's crowds were spouting off anti-Semtic nonsense and shouting "Kill him!" you would not be trafficking in moral equivalence. You would acknowledge the depravity of Palin's folk.

If a legislator had firsthand experience with European anti-Semitism (the training ground for American racism) and came out with an experience-based critique of the ramifications of racist discourse, you would treat said critique with all of the seriousness it deserves.


You have to cut the wingnuts some slack. They're going to lose badly, and they know it -- so they're falling back on the ol' tried-and-true "a white man can't catch a break in this cruel world" tactic. I don't blame them. It got them through the long cold nights at East Podunk Tech A&M, while all the darkies were living the high life at Harvard and Yale.

Ambinder, I think you missed the point of both John Lewis' statement and Bill Burton's as well. Neither one was accusing McCain or Palin of being racist. They were accusing them of being reckless and irresponsible. Big difference. John Lewis said the "climate and conditions" of their campaign rallies were eerily similar to the Wallace Campaign.

He mentioned nothing about their policies. The Obama campaign made that distinction clear so there would be no confusion. I'm curious how you could read the Obama campaign's response and classify it as a satisfactory apology. I think its pretty clear that not only did they not apologize or reject his statement, they agree with the substance of what Lewis said. And on top of that then used John McCain's own actions and words and the words of several prominent Republicans to make their point.

The McCain campaign is bankrupt. I'm not saying they're definitely going to lose, because they might come up with some compelling new message (if past is prologue, doubtful). But barring some brand new invention or message, the supporters of this campaign will just be those who are reflexively Republican, those who can't stand Obama for whatever reason and conspiracy theorists. Not exactly a winning coalition.

Is there a reason that we're allowing McCain to characterize his "Obama pals around with terrorists" message, and the subsequent rallies that featured people screaming "terrorist" "traitor" "kill him" as the candidate smiled along, as a critique of Obama's policy positions?

And please juxtapose this with the McCain camp's bizarre claim that to criticize the "kill him" rally is to attack the average Americans who attend those rallies.

As someone who marched for civil rights in the sixties, I am appalled by John Lewis' cynical rhetoric. Is this simply an effort to mobilize more Afro-American voters in key states and to shut up critics of Obama? I am a lifelong Democrat who would have voted for Colin Powell or Hillary Clinton. I will not vote for the Obama/Ayers ticket.

Graniteman, try to make your snark a little more believable, bro. Afro-American? It's like reading a hymnal from the 50's.

Obama had no reason to apologize.

If anything, how odd the media will chase this press release all day, and still doesn't have the cajones to make Sarah Palin either hold a press conference about troopergate, or ignore her campaign appearances and talking points until she does.

I'm not a fan of this blog and I have little faith in you. But I have some hope that you will eventually express some level of disgust with the tactics the McCain campaign is employing.

You like to say this is a reported blog, but you frequently express an opinion, normally admiration of John McCain (or Douglas Holtz-Eakins) or a put-shot at Obama.

Why not an opinion on this one?

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Marc Ambinder has been kissing John McCain's ring during this entire campaign. He's one of McCain's most fervent apologists along with Mark Halperin and Jon Meacham.

McCain and Palin should both be wearing hazmat suits because they're wallowing in toxic sludge with their slimy, sleazy personal attacks against Obama.

McCain and Palin are warped, frustrated, morally bankrupt politicians and will hopefully receive the crushing, humiliating they so richly deserve.

@Graniteman: Colin Powell is a Republican.

And Lewis is far less cynical than the 2 Republican nominees. As jay and dkan71 point out, the issue is not race but the atmosphere of resentment and hatred and vitriol that they are coaxing at their rallies, fed by their rhetoric in speeches and ads. It doesn't actually matter if the "him" to be killed is black, or gay, or Jewish, or Hispanic, or whatever else makes him "other" to these fear-mongerers.


Of course what McCain/Palin are doing must bring back memories for John Lewis. How can McCain/Palin stand at their rallies and hear shouts of "Terrorist", "Kill him", "Off with his head", "Traitor" in reference to Obama and not say anything about it? McCain finally 'manned-up' yesterday and repudiated some people at his townhall. He should have done it far earlier when these crazies started shouting their hate.

As someone who marched for civil rights in the sixties, I am appalled by John Lewis' cynical rhetoric. Is this simply an effort to mobilize more Afro-American voters in key states and to shut up critics of Obama? I am a lifelong Democrat who would have voted for Colin Powell or Hillary Clinton. I will not vote for the Obama/Ayers ticket.


Posted by Graniteman


LOL I have to sit back and laugh every time I hear this. Every WingNut or PUMA tries to cover their ass with Colin Powell when talking about Barack Obama. "I would have surely voted for the other negro" Man please. I didnt hear ANY of you crying crocodile tears when Colin Powell was being thrown under the bus after we invaded Iraq and never found WMD. The truth is he was just being a good soldier to George Bush even though he repeatedly tried to make Bush back down from going to war. But he was denigrated over and over ESPECIALLY after he stepped down from Sec of State. But you would have voted for him huh? You can't even tell me what the man's political views are but you would have voted for him. He has said he has voted for Republican and Democrats for president before so you probably don't even know his political party. Look if you aren't voting for Obama just be man or woman enough to say that and leave it alone. Quit with the false justification using Colin Powell as your viable alternative because NOBODY believes you. You sound like Sarah Palin saying she reads the Economist AFTER she couldnt name anything she reads when Katie Couric asked.

This war of words is just beginning..

You wish, Marc.

"War of words"? Whaty justification has the McCain campaign for the digustihng hatred their rallies are inspiring? John Lewis' comparison is absolutely spot on; and if we need any more proof that John McCain has sold his soul, read his response.

Graniteman, you are as African-American as Hitler's left testicle. Why don't you go back to selling Aryan underwear for the gentleman who likes his white robe and hood with a matching thong?

How amusing. McCain, having whipped his remaining supporters into a rabid frothing rage is offended because such stuff has unpleasant associations for people whose friends and family were on the receiving end of such mob behavior.

I agree that Obama did a decent job of allowing McCain to paint himself into a corner --although nowhere near as elegantly as was recommended this morning by Nate Silver.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/did-mccain-just-walk-into-trap.html

Nonetheless, McCain is clearly creating cognitive dissonance outside his rabid base. Does he want to discuss policy? Or does he want --particularly through Palin --to play the irresponsible demagogue?

If he wants to play the demagogue, what basis does he have to complain when people --particularly one, such as Rep. Lewis, whom he independently claimed to admire --say that his behavior reminds them of other times and places where such irresponsible demagoguery has led to unhappy results?

It will be interesting, in a sick way, to watch this play out.

It would be far better, of course, if this stuff simply stopped. We have real problems right now. None of this nonsense brings a solution an inch closer.

@kravitz, by superficially "apologizing", Obama takes himself out of this discussion -- he can't be hit for owning the original statement now; the narrative will now be about Lewis and McCain (and Palin). It's a deft tactical move that doesn't cost him anything.

Marc Ambinder has been kissing John McCain's ring during this entire campaign. He's one of McCain's most fervent apologists along with Mark Halperin and Jon Meacham.

He's been much worse than Halperin and slightly worse than the Parson. His only real competition is Michael Scherer.

Judging by the comments on CNN and other blogs, it appears that the tactial considerations of allocating regret are being swamped by the visceral ugliness of McPalin's soft fascist blowback. America doesn't seem as eager to revisit Wallace as does Steve Schmidt.

Even a PUMA should be ashamed of McSame: you can say a lot of nasty things about Hillary Clinton's campaign, but at least she had the integrity - and foresight - to leave this crap back in Dixie.

Apparently, Schmidt is not as smart as he thinks he is.

McCain is learning to shave with a straight razor the hard way, by cutting himself to ribbons in learning just how sharp an item he has in his hand.

Remember the little old white lady who called Obama an Arab terrorist? And yes she said terrorist. It seems John McCain isnt very convincing to her. Check her out AFTER the event

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/223708.php

McCain says that Lewis has the kind of judgement on civil rights issues that he'd turn to as President, and then not only does he dismiss that judgement when it is offered, but he asks other people to repudiate Lewis for offering it.

What a monumental jackass.

What else could the McCain campaign possibly say on the subject? I predict not a damn thing more.

Within the last 36 hours they've defended the outbursts by giving Obama crap for trying to suppress the free speech rights of their supporters. Then hours later McCain has his little come to Jesus talk at the rally Friday night, not coincidentally after taking a public drubbing by several "brand name" Repubs.

Then we have Tucker Bounds (who is mentally challenged or something), talking about how they are talking about the economy just using Bill Ayers and Tony Rezko to make their point (wha?).

This brings us to John McCain's phony outraged press release directed at one of the few men with the moral authority and experience to sound the warning that he did. Other than the name George Wallace, what was so different about what Lewis said than the host of other people who called him out before?

Erratic indeed. You know why that word has stuck, because the actions of the McCain campaign make it easy to build a case around that accusation. The terrorist meme for Barack, not so much.

John McCain was right about at least one thing: John Lewis is a good and wise man. John Lewis is one of America's great elder statesmen. He has seen what can happen when hate filled rhetoric whips audiences into rage until the audience becomes a mob and some members of the mob don't find words to be enough. That same scenario resulted in the death of four young girls in the south and it resulted in the death of Rabin in Israel. Some one needed to call John McCain on what he was doing and wake him up. John Lewis bore that responsibility like a good and wise man and if he is wise, John McCain will take heed. McCain has been walking the wrong path lately and he didn't seem to be aware of what he was doing until the last day or so. He should thank Lewis because Lewis may have spared McCain the awful weight of being responsible for people being hurt by acts of violence. Even the press have felt endangered at McCain campaigns lately.

condi? thoughts? those 4 little girls were your friends.

If John Lewis wants to contend that John McCain is stirring up racial tension, then I guess it's about time to remind John Lewis of Jeremiah Wright's hate-filled sermons, which were cheered and high-fived in the background by Obama's fellow church members

Let's see those Jeremiah Wright tapes again so John Lewis can witness what "stirring up racial tension" in this election REALLY looks like.

This is going to be interesting.

But Jeremiah Wright's not running for president!

If John Lewis wants to contend that John McCain is stirring up racial tension... --Jan

That isn't what he said. Read it again.
George Wallace never threw a bomb. He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks....

This isn't about race per se. It's about defining someone as "other" and heaping blame for everything onto them, encouraging a mob to go from "mumble mumble discontent" to "traitor!" "terrorist!" "kill him!" It could be done against a Mormon, a Latino, a Jew, a gay man, a union member. It could be done against you and yours.

I also recommend Coates's blog entry on this, which includes a piece about Wallace, once a decent and fair-minded Alabama judge, who got outni**ered in an election where no one listened to his take on the issues. He swore that would never happen again. Wallace wasn't the biggest racist the world has ever known; rather, he was a man who wanted to win.

John Lewis is simply taking advantage of his 15 minutes to get some press, since it's been decades since he's actually done anything press-worthy.

Threatened by the Ayers and ACORN connections, it was the next logical step.

Besides, when did we lose the right to 'hate'? Was that in the Patriot Act or the FISA bill?

Perhaps it was hidden somewhere in the Bailout bill Rep Lewis voted for.

I feel badly for McCain, because he is not a bad guy, but he screwed up in choosing his running mate. When it comes to ideology, there is little difference between Palin and a nut job like Bo Greitz. If only McCain had really done his homework.

I think Congressman Lewis gave WORDS to what so many Americans are thinking. I personally do not think Senator McCain is a racist. I do think he is old has has progressed in his thinking only slowly.
I was touched when Senator McCain corrected people at his rally. Mostly because it showed me he had the judgement to understand how these rallies can lead to violence. and God forbid injury to Senator Obama.

The behaviors we've seen have NOT been isolated. there has been a TREND. That is what scares everyone. Senator McCain showed MATURITY in understanding this could get ugly very quickly and he having no control over it.

Rep Lewis put it on the table. Those acting in that manner now know they are hurting thier candidate's image.

Finally, I think it's important for us to remember that race is still an issue in this country. To use denial is rediculous. The last week has shown us there is a considerable amount of racism in this country.

Most of us hope there are more who are willing to work through race than those who want to seperate by race

McCain's demagoguing gal pal brings out the leering fascist grins in those who show up for McCain rallies. Just study their faces as they spew their hateful, even murderous sentiments. That grin has been photographed at other times in human history.

I am sad for the people going to McCain/Plain's rally. Nobody is trying to give them a chance to decide on the real issues. They are fighting a war that is not there. They are there, God Bless them, to difend their country from a foreigner Muslim terrorist who strangely managed to be nominated for the candidacy of the president of their country. When you advertise a product on the TV, they make sure that you don't mislead the spectators, why is it allowed to lie to the same Americans and lead them to lose their healt benefit or social security? Especially now that the whole world is trying to understand how to save the weak ones?
These people, ones everything done, will they forgive their party?

"Senator McCain showed MATURITY in understanding this could get ugly very quickly and he having no control over it."

Nonsense. McCain is playing both firebug and firefighter, and now he's finding himself in the mother of all corners. Serves him right.

I did decry what they did to collin powell! However, powell did get himself into that mess. I still think a lot of powell. As I do condeleza rice. If this was the mccain of the older days, he would have picked a good V.P, one he wanted and wouldn't have let his BASE decry his choice. He picked palin out of a rash fit of temper against his BASE, and thought he was being smart by getting a woman, any woman as long as she was manageable and did what he wanted her to do. The problem is Palin off on her own trip, doing her thing, and often goes against Mccain and his own believes doing it! It was she who caused this racial divide with her mouth and encouragement of statement from the audience like "Kill Him" meaning Obama and a lot more slurs along with it.Just look at the actions of her/todd in this troopergate thing, how they used and abused people around them in an attemp to force them to do as they wished them to do! She knows she holds more power on the trail than Mccain does and it's apparent in her actions and manners. They created a crazy whirl wind of events that has back fired on them, and mccain has lost control of his campagne if he indeed ever did have control. He has to many lobbyist on his campagne who know how to get their way, and attempt to control mccain, and there is no way they can control Palin. It's one big mess. My cousin down in Ohio says republicans are takeing up acorn registration papers and they are the ones signing one person up over and over. That it has nothing to do with the Demacrates there. Some are just over zelouse young folks, but a lot are republicans trying to make Demacrates look bad, because their mad thing aren't going there way. Now can you imagine that/

"These people, ones everything done, will they forgive their party?"

Following the coming Obama landslide, the base will revert to spore form, floating about indefinitely, waiting for favorable conditions to return, something like another RR.

Obama does not take a position on whether McCain and Palin are inciting hatred

John Lewis was right to condemn some of the hateful rhetoric...as well as the baseless and profoundly irresponsible charges from his own running mate that the Democratic nominee for President of the United States 'pals around with terrorists.'

Dude, are you on drugs? Obama CLEARLY called out Palin for chumming the waters. As he rightly should.

Best line I've heard on all of this is "In attempting to associate Obama with a politically violent left-wing movement that died 30 years ago, McCain is re-igniting a politically violent right-wing movement that's been burning for the past 30 years."

Nobody under the age of 40 knows who the hell the Weathermen are, and we're more familiar with the Pink Panther than the Black Panthers. But we all remember Timothy McVeigh, and the Olympic bomber, the abortion clinic bombers and shooters, the guys who tied that poor gay boy to a fence, and the guys who dragged that poor black man behind a pickup.

McCain and his attack dog Palin need to tread much more carefully. There are real loonies out there, and it's dangerous to gin them up.

Obama events are so positive. There are good stories to cover, but that gets no broadcast time. When I'm volunteering at the Obama office, I feel like I'm in some Coke-a-Cola commercial and "We'd Like to Teach the World to Sing" starts playing in my head. It really is cool--I'm white, working hand-in-hand with black folks, people of all ages. That's the positive story I'd love to see in the media. The Palin rallies are garbage in comparison.

Just as "parts is parts", nuts is nuts.

Right wing mob-rule shouters, the day when you exercise your bile against the American direction is drawing to a close.

Better join one of Sarah Palin's secessionist group campaign supporters (well documented, I'm not making this up, alas), bury your guns in the backyard, because The End Is Coming!

Decency, in other words, and working together instead of demonizing those who disagree with you, is returning to the body politic.

Pray,(the rest of us who prefer diplomacy to bullets and bombs), that it's not already too late.

Could someone please quote me this "hateful rhetoric?" You're all talking about it, so you must have at least two examples of it.

P.S. A vile comment from a member of the crowd doesn't count. What's "stirring them up" is unknowable. Plus, as anyone who has watched "The Wire" knows, you shouldn't trust a reporter who writes about what "some guy" said without identifying him in any way.

it's like shooting someone and then blaming them for walking in front of the bullet

Vail Beach,

Bill Burton mentioned the 'hateful rhetoric', so you might want to check with him.

Perhaps when McCain asked 'Who is Barack Obama?' and someone in the audience responded with 'A terrorist!', and another voice is heard saying 'Kill him'.

Does that fit your criteria?

"This looked like a Michael Scherer post quite honestly. Marc Ambinder you are a lot better than that!"

McCain, too, was once upon a time supposed to be "better than that," because he actually did, then, behave "better than that." This can no longer be said of either Marc Ambinder or John McCain. Actions speak louder than words, and to assume either deserves the benefit of our doubt is to assume facts no longer in evidence.

McCain is to be pitied ... but he made this bed and now has to lie in it ... he went down the "cultural wars" path and now he can't control it. Too bad. For all of us!

I find it mind-boggling that McCain follows this up by telling a crowd in Virginia that he's going to "whip" Obama's "you-know-what" in the next debate. What's next, is he going to "send him out to the fields"? Either John McCain has lost his mind, or his moral compass, or both, but this kind of language is reprehensible.

Palin said that Obama: "pals around with terrorists"

Then, McCain asked the crowd: "Who is the REAL Barack Obama?"

A couple of days later, McCain answered his own question saying Obama is: "A decent family man, a citizen who accomplishments he respects,someone who you dont have to be scared of as POTUS"

Once again, McCain and his gal pal Palin are not reading the same morning memo...

The McCain Not on National TV:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/325.html

Fred,

Happy to hear you say this. I agree with your more recent post. It saddens me to see folks embrace the Atwater style (Taxes = Niggers and all the rest of it) & that is indeed what Ambinder and Scherer seem to accept without the slightest moral hesitation. Perhaps Ambinder sees that despite the destruction in Bush's wake, his journalist supporters have flourished. I think Ambinder and Scherer see the world like McCain now sees it. The only thing that matters is winning. For all of McCain's highmindedness in 2000, he lost. The immoral bully won and got to make policy. The Clinton campaign struggled with this during the primaries: How far do we go for it ALL?

Above was FROM Jay TO Fred. Sorry about that.

You're a bloody idiot Marc. Your repeated attempts to create any false equivalency between John McCain's dishonorable campaign and Barack Obama just show you to be the stupid JSM III shill that you are

From The Netherlands

What I find really disturbing about McCain's answer about Obama beeing an Arab is that he said. No, Obama is a good family man etc. etc. . As far as I know beeing a good family man etc. etc. , is also true for a great majorety of the Arabs in the USA. As far as I know 99,9% of the Americans with an Arab background are good American persons. So, why can someone with an Arab background not be trusted???

The logic (hopfully not the intention) of McCain's remark was; "How can he be an Arab when he is a good family man etc. etc.". Implying that all Arabs are not good family man etc. etc. . Why didn't McCain say; "Obama is nor an Arab nor a terrorist. Even when he was an Arab that is not the issue. Important is that he loves this country and tries to do what he thinks is best for it. I happen to disagree on fundamental subjects with him about what is the best for our country. That is where this campain is about. And in the end the voters, the American people, can decide."

Hans van der Meulen
Eindhoven, The Netherlands

P.s. When someone does not know Obama he/she should do some reading/investigating, not complaining. It is his/her own responsibilety to know. I and some friends here found the remarks of some McCain followers that they did not know Obama very funny. For us it is like saying about yourself; "I am very very stupid and lazy, and I am proud of it". Since the persons saying this thought clearly otherwise about themselves is was very funny to see.

HvdM

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