McXplosion?

This remarkable story by Ben Smith, compliments and adds significantly to what this column has been reporting all week: is about a schism between McCain and Palin factions within the McCain campaign.

"She's lost confidence in most of the people on the plane," said a senior Republican who speaks to Palin, referring to her campaign jet. He said Palin had begun to "go rogue" in some of her public pronouncements and decisions.

"I think she'd like to go more rogue," he said.

A McCain ally calls Palin a "diva."  But her allies say that:

"The campaign as a whole bought completely into what the Washington media said -- that she's completely inexperienced," said a close Palin ally outside the campaign who speaks regularly to the candidate. "Her strategy was to be trustworthy and a team player during the convention and thereafter, but she felt completely mismanaged and mishandled and ill advised," the person said. "Recently, she's gone from relying on McCain advisers who were assigned to her to relying on her own instincts."

I asked Mark Salter, McCain's senior adviser, whether these reports of tension -- the reports I've gotten, the reports Ben is getting -- are true.

"If you measure tension as the interaction between principles and staff who actually have some authority and are trying to win the election, then we're fine," he writes in an e-mail.  "If you want to report based on the musings and resentments of hangers on and people who like to pretend they're in the know then you can probably come up with anything."

Another senior McCain at e-mailed: "It is beyond disappointing to see the backstabbing and blame game beginning ten days before the election.  There is still a path to victory for us and we have two great candidates who are working their asses off every day in pursuit of a win."

Principal-staff tension is a tradition of presidential campaigns. There was tension between John Edwards and the Kerry staff... and between Joe Lieberman and the Gore staff... and between the Kemp and Dole staffs. Just not this public or poisonous.

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There was tension between John Edwards and the Kerry staff... and between Joe Lieberman and the Gore staff... and between the Kemp and Dole staffs. Just not this public or poisonous.

Hmmm, what do those campaigns have in common?

Posted by K | October 25, 2008 5:15 PM

Complements. Principals.

Unless Ben Smith tipped his chapeau to you. And somebody in the McCain is familiar with quaint concepts like "principles."

Posted by Obamanaut | October 25, 2008 5:22 PM

The "diva" quote is finally getting at something. It's not clear to me that she knows (or cares) what the campaign's message is -- so therefore she isn't aware (and doesn't care) when she goes off message. I didn't appear that she knew that McCain's abortion stance differed from the Republican platform's. Same with robocalls. She didn't seem to be aware that the campaign was vigorously defending them. Etc. This is not to say that she's stupid -- that's not the issue with divas. As Maria Callas, the diva of divas once said, "Don't talk to me about rules, dear. Wherever I stay I make the g-damn rules."

Posted by Peregrine | October 25, 2008 5:31 PM

And yet, there does not appear to be much of any tension between Obama and Biden. One of these campaigns is not like the other, one of these just isn't more of the same.

Posted by Jake | October 25, 2008 5:37 PM

What kills me is that Palin thinks she has some power here or something. She's a nobody.

Posted by Scholar in Training | October 25, 2008 5:40 PM

Great post, but in the first sentence the word should be "complements," not "compliments" -- unless you think Ben Smith's post is saying nice things about yours rather than completing the point.

Posted by David | October 25, 2008 5:41 PM

IMO it probably starts at the top: Palin's not stupid and all the polling focusing on her being a drag to the ticket is affecting her political future. The McCain camp has yet to publicly push back on these polls and that hurts the campaign and Palin and McCain. The SnL appearance did nothing to bolster Palin; and then the next week the SnL show stuck a knife in the campaign. The $150,000 story and the $30,000 make up artist stuff is just icing on the cake. There is clearly a huge fight coming and Palin is going to be a surrogate for talking about the Christian Right and the effect the evangelical movement is having on the GOP.

If a best case Obama turnout scenario happens and a whole generation of voters go democratic the GOP has to worry about a whole generation of voters being lost to them.

It seems change is definitely coming and the Palin fight is the first battle.

Posted by Rhoda | October 25, 2008 5:44 PM

Need I say this, but infighting between the candidate and running mate is EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR JOHN SIDNEY MCCAIN III!!!

Posted by Lloyd Webber | October 25, 2008 5:49 PM

I suspect that if they were not facing a loss -- maybe a deeply humiliating loss -- there would be none of this.

But you can also see why BHO didn't ask HRC to join the ticket. She's been a good sport as an external supporter, but you could imagine, a month ago when McC was leading in the polls, the murmurings that would have come from her loyalists.

Posted by Colin | October 25, 2008 6:03 PM

I'm sure that Mark Salter would have been perfectly willing when asked to report on high-level tension in his own campaign if it really existed, right?

Right?

Posted by Stefan | October 25, 2008 6:26 PM

Nobody does self-immolation like Republicans do! Almost bring a tear to my eye!

Posted by Dave C | October 25, 2008 6:30 PM

Palin is an "all about me" style person and candidate. Her management style is to control so being controlled by handlers is contrary to her nature. Circumstances and politics in Alaska is very different than in the lower 48 States, a factor she has had trouble dealing with, except for the 23% Evangelical Christian base and uneducated and fringe Republican partisans. Her selection has shown poor judgment by McCain. Palin's rhetoric is shallow and reflects her unknowing of national level issues and talks in vague platitudes. The whole McCain campaign effort shows the absence of competency, management skills, and poor campaign personnel selection.

Posted by Lou R | October 25, 2008 6:43 PM

Mark Salter would be the last person I'd ask; his career is tied to the hip of McCain's. You know your own sources, and to go to a high up like that betrays this excellent reporting.

The fact is that there are many within the campaign talking loudly, and Salter would be the last one to do that. Likely, he'll still blame Bush, Bernake, Paulson and maybe even Obama before accepting the blame himself, even in 2009... Salter is not a source on this matter.

I look forward to your continued reporting on this subject; don't feel pressured to publish on the record remarks from McCain dead-enders who would never be honest to your face. You want to talk to the people who may have a shot at a job in 2012 or 2016... that's your target, looking forward to your reporting.

Posted by steven R | October 25, 2008 6:44 PM

WOW!

Here's the actual "diva" quote as reported by CNN:

"A second McCain source says she appears to be looking out for herself more than the McCain campaign.

"She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone," said this McCain adviser. "She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else."

Posted by mboehm | October 25, 2008 6:49 PM

Why in the world did you go to Salter about this? He'd probably gouge his own eyes out before saying anything bad.

But in the end, it's pretty obvious that candidates who win run the country like they ran their campaign. ANYONE who wants McCain in charge of a slowly sinking country, when he can't even control his own campaign hacks, is FREAKING NUTS.

Posted by Lily R. | October 25, 2008 6:56 PM

Hopefully, the McXplosion was not in his pants.

Posted by Lloyd Webber | October 25, 2008 7:06 PM

But in the end, it's pretty obvious that candidates who win run the country like they ran their campaign. ANYONE who wants McCain in charge of a slowly sinking country, when he can't even control his own campaign hacks, is FREAKING NUTS.

That's the message at the end of the day, along with one word - and it is a devastating word - "rogue".

Nothing is more demoralizing to an organization than an out of control leader, and McCain clearly is *not* in control. He looks ever more overwhelmed, with events in control of him not vice versa.

And associating the word "ROGUE" with Sarah Palin, not only an unknown, but what we do know about her is explosive and frightening?

Kiss of Death.

Posted by Jack Aubrey | October 25, 2008 7:58 PM

Wow, Marc Ambinder is beginning to sound more and more like Andrew Sullivan each day. In fact, I say Andrew is ghost writing Ambinder's stories.

Posted by Damo Mackerel | October 25, 2008 10:00 PM

This was the God awful-est campaign evar. Voters have had it up to here with the McCain/Palin circus. What a freak show.

Posted by GOP08_DOA | October 25, 2008 10:34 PM

So this is where the Eunuch wing of the Republican Party goes.
What a bunch of whiny bitches. Do you brainiacs really believe
the Republican party exists because of you? For your information
those Christians and flyover folks you spit on make up 90% of
the party. If anyone gets difoliated from the republican body it will be your treasonous ilk. Tell that melodramatic hag Peggy Noonan I said Hi!

Posted by Danielle Harrison | October 25, 2008 10:59 PM

Not one single named source to this story of in fighting.

But oh look at the responses.

They are just a twitter...just like they were over the pregnancy suit rumors and the Trig DNA rumors started by the Atlantics very own Milky Glutes Reporter.

I love the new level of quality reporting this election season. Let noone accuse anyone in the MSM of having any journalistic integrity.

Meanwhile LATimes refuses to release video locked in their vaults of their Oprecious at a Jew Bashing dinner where he is praising Khalidi Former PLO terrorists...why? gee because it hurts the Beloved Barry-ack.

Meanwhile the Press Cheerleaders keep pushing the Obama agenda with both ankles behind their ears.

And the idiots who drank the koolaid are praying to their new Omessiah to repair the broken souls they think they actually have.

Hypocrits and Hacks every last one of you.

Can I get some Monkey poop and Piss with the Next Obama Cover? or is that only for McCain?

The Atlantic - Just another piece of trash masquerading as news.

Hey, how about that 200 Million in questionable and illegal campaign contributions? DOn't worry the press will vet Obummer after he is elected.

But then its too late kiddies. You think you are going to get more freedoms but you are in for a big ass opening surprise!

Posted by ObummerHairplugs | October 25, 2008 10:59 PM

On the one hand we have the astroturfing Trigtruther Sullivan loon pretending to be a journalist and on the other hand we have Marc-let-me-pass-on-another-meme Armbinder, a meme with unnamed sources - except for those refuting the bunkum (why are they the only ones who put a name to their comments?).

Put the lights out at the Atlantic folks. No journalists or writers here.

Posted by saint | October 26, 2008 12:02 AM

You know, I don't blame her for "going rogue". Her handlers are ex-Bush handlers and look where that got him. If she is off message, I can understand that...I have two McCain/Palin yard signs up and have been closely watching events and I know just about as much of what the "message" is as I do about the "Bush Doctrine". I'm not sure they do either. There has to be a reason why she's got an 85% approval rating as Governor.

Posted by John | October 26, 2008 12:15 AM

Now I understand what David Frum means when he says McCain should push divided government. A VP who spends her time undermining the boss.

Posted by skeptical | October 26, 2008 12:36 AM

On the day before Election Day the McCain campaign should put Palin on a plane and send her to Guam.

And leave her there to find her own way back.

Posted by MoeLarryAndJesus | October 26, 2008 1:56 AM

And yet, there does not appear to be much of any tension between Obama and Biden

No tension between Obama and Biden? Biden keeps on putting down the top of his ticket in the most irresponsible ways, Obama publicly announces that he ignores him - I see noting BUT tension in that campaign. Poor Biden must see his dream of being president being taken away by a young upstart, and he has to play second fiddle to it all.

Posted by bluestate | October 26, 2008 2:41 AM

I agree with John, McCain's campaign people are just not that good. They're the ones who came up with the stupid celebrity ad and the suspending/not-suspending campaign deal. Palin going rogue on them is not a bad idea, it's just ashame McCain isn't going more rogue on them. Or just firing the lot of them.

Granted some things probably are her fault. Palin is kind of cute and spunky, so she shouldn't have went "attack dog" so hard. Deflating Obama as "not so great" was fine, but the other stuff just made her look a bit freaky. If she'd focused mostly on being a Pro-Life Mom who cares about disabled kids and energy independence she might be better liked now. She could've even tried to be a uniting force between rural and urban if she had it in her. (Hey she liked "Ivana" and drinks flavored coffees)

Posted by Thomas R | October 26, 2008 3:30 AM

Complements, not compliments; principals, not principles.

You guys need to hire copy editors...fast.

Just wondering...Do either of you lose pay for being this sloppy or this ignorant?

Posted by Peacock | October 26, 2008 4:35 AM

Recently, she's gone from relying on McCain advisers who were assigned to her to relying on her own instincts.

Her own instincts? Which are... to hire cronies, use her office to carry own personal vendettas, lie about her record and everything else, charge the taxpayers to sleep in her own home, and be unable to answer even the simplest questions such as what newspapers and magazines she reads. She is probably the most self-delusional person I have ever seen in national politics. And contrary to other posters, I do believe that she is in fact stupid. All the evidence we've seen this year points in the direction. I hope she runs in 2012 just for the comedy value.

Posted by Ron E. | October 26, 2008 7:02 AM

Gee I wonder if this is another paid for by Obama blog! I hope you get Obama and Biden, and you can kiss the US goodbye..Get real

Posted by rusty | October 26, 2008 7:19 AM

The wheels have come off for the McCain campaign and for Palin it's all about her. She did what she was supposed to do and that was to rally the base. Other than that she's useless. The far right is in total meltdown. Their President,I did'nt vote for this moron, is a pathetic excuse for a leader and then the McCain picks someone who has hurt more than helped on the most important decision before the election a canidate makes.No matter how much BS Limbaugh,Hannaty and O'Reilly throw at Obama it's still the economy STUPID!!!! The Rove tactics will not work this time. Fear will not win this election.

Posted by MIKE LAKE WORTH FLORIDA | October 26, 2008 9:26 AM

My fellow members of the commentariat, blogging is different from long-form writing. As in, it does not get proofed multiple times and run through a copyeditor. Whining about the sort of typos any of us could make--the meaning is clear, is pretty silly.

That said, anyone want to take a stab at Danielle's "If anyone gets difoliated from the republican body it will be your treasonous ilk"? Defoliated? Defenstrated? Def con one'd? All evocative.

It's a shame M-P can't take a note from Dole and close this out trying to save the Senate. One more week...

Posted by Deborah | October 26, 2008 9:27 AM

If John McCain loses this it will be on him. One gets a sense that his campaign is run by him. He missed the opportunity to develop the Obama narrative-which goes to who Obama is and what Obama's life-training means for this country's future. Obama's history is not a series of unconnected affiliations but a solid straight line, from community agitating to a socialist future. We are still a left vs right country. McCain's mistakes are rooted in his refusal to acknowledge that fact. At least Obama, who has temporally flipped on a number of issues, sticks to his Liberal/Leftist inclinations.

What we have to look forward to now is an ever increasing govt. interference in business, higher taxes, reinstatement of off shore drilling bans, continued resistance to more coal-fired electrical plants, no nuclear, potential govt. theft of 401k plans, intentional escalation of diminished American influence throughout the world, and a president&media which will defend Obamanian failures by blaming them on on white racism. Early indications are that Democrats have every intention of reinstating the foolish lending practices that acted as the catalyst for the current Market meltdown. Top it off with a new Fairness Doctrine, meant to strangle one of the last media outlets-talk radio, not controlled by a 90% Liberal bias.

Sarah Palin refuses to go down with the McCain ship. She had principles Before McCain picked her, and she made it clear she regards principles above blind Party or candidate loyalty. How does it feel McCain? Having to deal with another "maverick"?

The Left was and still is determined to destroy Palin, now and into the future. Some on the "right", have decided to go with the path of least resistance, piling on in "hip" ways that insures them a continued place at the table of PopMedia {sorta like what I read on this very collumn day after day}.

Posted by bluecollarbytes | October 26, 2008 9:55 AM

Palin is not being destroyed by the press, she is doing a fine job destroying herself.

Posted by Charles | October 26, 2008 10:13 AM

This party has been in power too long!
McCains appeal to the far right has caused the party to lean so far right that it's about to implode.
Good bye and good riddance!!!

Posted by Billybugs | October 26, 2008 10:34 AM

Sarah Palin started to soar again when she kicked her handlers where ti counts. These bitter pukes would rather lose the election than admit they are being punked by a woman. They failed her, and know she is running on instinct and back in the game.

And the guy who says there is not tension between Obama and Biden proves willful blindness on the Obamabot side.

Why do you think Biden hasn't taken questions from his press corps in almost 50 days?

The One Who Knows All shoved a sock in his mouth and now old Joe knows his place in The New Religion.

You go, Sarah!

Posted by Morog | October 26, 2008 10:45 AM

bluecollarbytes has an interesting image there--how do you have a team of mavericks? Team of rivals is tough enough, but a team defined by their inability to be team players?

Posted by Deborah | October 26, 2008 10:52 AM

I think the Politico report is not reflective of its complicity. It may be reporting Palin's being the article of much blame, but the classic double-reversal here implies that this is Palin's strategy to avoid blame ex post facto.

Not only does it set up the notion that she was unfairly maligned, unfairly handled, etc., but that she is truly the maverick for rebelling against her own campaign. Well, anyone who has seen her latest rants from the stump knows that this is merely being fed to the media in advance of an impending image overhaul---while her public "election" image remains doctrinaire.

Look, Morog is buying into it already. Once this gets out to the base, she won't have been the cause of this fiasco but the conquering hero victimized by a double-cross.

Posted by Hubert | October 26, 2008 11:29 AM

I do hope you Progressives (there I used the "nice" word for Liberal/Socialist/Pseudo-Communist/Politically Correct Fools) really understand what you're "buying" with the Obama/Pelosi/Reid/Dean Democratic Party.

Calling Sarah Palin a "Diva" while the Democratic Party falls all over themselves in worship of BHO is actually quite funny. Not applying the term "Diva" to Nancy Pelosi, is funnier still. Reid acts like he passed away several years ago. Howard Dean is a certified lunatic.

THAT is your "solution" to our problems?

Let me give you a REAL world (not sure if you live there or have even heard of it, but maybe someone will tell you about it if you ask nicely) example of what you're going to "buy" on November 4th.

Not many people in the US think about it, but a large segment of people work in the "call center" industry. No, I'm not talking about "telemarketers" that interupt your dinner. I'm talking about the folks that answer the phone when you have a question about your cell phone bill, your bank statement or want to avail yourself of tech support after you buy that new PC.

In the last 5 years, a notable portion of those jobs have started flowing offshore. I'm sure if you stop and think about it, you've spoken to someone that sounded foreign when you've dialed 1-800-WHATEVR in the last few years, and probably more than once. Well, a lot of those jobs have been coming back in the last 18 months.

Wait, really? Americans doing work for Americans? Yep. The company I work for provides the following for it's employees that actually handle the calls (not just managers).

Minimum of two weeks paid vacation per year.

Tuition reimbursement.

Affordable Medical Insurance (company pays 80% of the premium).

Paid Sick Days

Gay/Lesbian Employees can sign their partner up just like a heterosexual married employee can sign their spouse up for benefits.

401K with 5% Company Matching

Pension Plan

Average compensation for a full time Associate is $24,950.00 per year (not a fortune, but certainly a "living wage").

Our workforce is well over 50% minority, nearly 70% female and 97% full time employment.

In other words, the company is a "Progressives" wet dream.

Supportive of gay/lesbian rights, pays a fair wage, offers good benefits, provides retirement funds and free financial planning services, etc, etc, etc.

A year ago we had 34,000 US based employees. As of October 1 this year, that number had climbed to 37,000 as we closed down overseas sites and opened new sites here in the US.

Our strategy is very simple. Identify areas with population groups that need a job (our new sites were opening in places like WV, OH, IN, MI, MO)and will work hard for a fair wage.

We spent 8 million dollars on a new site earlier this year. Another 3 million to put equipment into it and a little under 2 million more to recruit employees, train them and get the call center "running". That's a 13 million dollar investment in 800 NEW US jobs. Within 45 days the site was closed and the company walked away from it.

You know why? Because the newly hired employees at the site decided to vote to join a Union. Yep. Average salary of almost $25,000.00 a year to answer phone calls and total employee cost (including benefits) of almost $40,000.00 a year wasn't "good" enough. The Union reps came in and stated that the MINIMUM they would accept on the contract was $23.85 an HOUR ($49,608.00 annual) with THREE weeks paid vacation, ZERO out of pocket cost for health insurance and doubling of the pension contributions by the company. Actual cost to the company under that proposal (per employee) worked out to just under $70,000.00 per year.

800 people lost their jobs.

So, the Democrats are going to increase business taxes (good luck with that helping this economy)and their pet project seems to be the Pro-Union legislation that will eliminate many of the barriers in even business friendly states to widespread "unionization" of certain industries (like grocery stores, retail and yes call centers). Before anyone shouts "anti-union scum bag", let me tell you that my Dad was a union man, as were both my grandfathers. The difference is they had SKILLS (carpenter, mason, electrician) that required certification. I have NO problem with unions in key industries, but having a union for jobs that essentially anyone off the street with a couple of weeks of training can do and paying them 50 grand a year? Get real.

My company has been watching (with growing resignation) the building momentum of these anti-business agendas and is currently making plans to shift work off-shore within 60 days of any site voting to go union. It's just business. We can't afford to pay people with GED's or maybe a HS diploma and very few marketable skills (other than basic typing) 50 thousand dollars a year to answer questions about how the voice mail on a cell phone plan works. That's absurd.

Nor is this paranoia, we KNOW that the union plans to target 10 sites within 30 days of the legislation passing.

So, what does that mean in the "real" world? Well, our 2009 projections are that if the Democrats actually pass that legislation, we'll be down to fewer than 10,000 US based employees by January 1, 2010.

I doubt you care but if you THINK for a moment you will. It's going to be a combination of two things.

First, hundreds of thousands of US workers will be laid off (we're just one of dozens of similarily sized companies in the industry) from jobs that pay a fair wage with decent benefits and with their skill set the odds of them finding a similar job are almost nil.

Second, the overall prices YOU pay will increase. The "tiered" cost of the items you buy includes things like support, billing, dispute resolution and etc that have NOTHING to do with the actual cost to provide the good or service attached. I know it seems obvious, but most people just don't "get" the fact that when they have a cellular plan (as an example) that the people they call to add a line to the plan, change their plan or pay their bill are PAID to do that work. The more reasonable the cost of that "back office" staff, the lower your cell phone bill will be.

I don't expect this to make a dent in any of the euphoria spreading about the impending Democratic Party Tsunami set the sweep the nation on November 4th. I'm just telling you, be careful what you wish for, because you may get it, and it's going to really damage a lot of areas that are struggling to provide jobs to American workers.

There's a change coming all right, an even faster exodus of US jobs and US capital offshore.

I guess that's Hope and Change we can believe in, right? Unless we want a job.

Posted by Just a Voter | October 26, 2008 11:38 AM

Will Obama's healthy-care plan pay for psychiatric intervention for the right-eing sickos who post here?

Posted by Miande | October 26, 2008 12:41 PM

"She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone," said this McCain adviser. "She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else."

I'll tell you what mboehm. Change the gender pronouns in this statement, and I'd swear on a stack of Bibles that you were talking about John McCain himself.

Team of mavericks, indeed.

Posted by dannity | October 26, 2008 12:52 PM

Palin has turned out to be a disastrous pick. I suspect the McCain folks didn't realize just how far out of her league she was because basically the girl ain't very bright. She's not totally stupid anymore than W is but that is a world apart from having the intellect and reasoning powers required to be viable presidential/vice presidential campaign. She obviously thinks she can be a potential king over the water when this election is over. Presumably because total shills like Kristol or Barnes are telling her so. The reality is that when this is over she is going to be pilloried by a lot of professionals who have got careers to think about, think Salter, Davis, Schmidt, and Kristol and Barnes will drop her like a hot potato when it becomes apparent she has outworn her usefulness. I'm coming to the view that Obama is going to capture about 57% of the popular vote ie. about what Reagan got in 1980 and at least 4% will be due to Palin. Her almost universal rejection by rock solid Republican friends of mine has to be seen to be believed.

Posted by John | October 26, 2008 12:56 PM

There has to be a reason why she's got an 85% approval rating as Governor.

Uhm, because ANYONE was better than Murkowski? And everyone and their mama is going to love a politician that gives them $1,000 check each year just for living there.

And if anyone wants to scream SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!! you might as well look at the nice little oil business they've got running up in Alaska.

Posted by Lily R. | October 26, 2008 1:44 PM

You people are retarded. How about this for an article. John is Palins newest childs father you people would eat that with a spoon. What absolute bufoons you people are to swallow crap like this.

Posted by mark | October 26, 2008 11:17 PM

Just had dinner with a CO right-winger who assumes BHO is a malevolent arab. Thing is, she'll take the arab rather than Palin.
"Just a Voter" -- check out liveops.com for a new paradigm in call centers ...

Posted by Steve | October 27, 2008 12:18 AM

I note that 'Just A Voter's company doesn't appear to want to create skilled jobs that pay $50k/year. After all, those jobs have their own security built in. Is 'Just A Voter' on $10/hr? I think not.

Posted by pseudonymous in nc | October 27, 2008 12:43 AM

The only "change" Obama is offering is the pennies that will be left for you when you cash your paycheck. How will we be able to pay the $1 per gallon gas tax increase he is supporting?

Don't get your hopes up though, B. Hussein Obama knows his support is a mile wide and an inch deep and chances are excellent the electoral map will end up looking like it did in 2000 and 2004, leaving you guys whining about racism and rigged voting machines again. Maybe you can all say a prayer to Allah to help him, or something.

Posted by Mike | October 27, 2008 4:28 AM