« Sexiest Illegal Robocall Of The Year Award: Zane Starkewolf | Main | Empty Space At A McCain Rally In Ohio Today »

The Old Ideological Wars Renewed

27 Oct 2008 02:40 pm

Whether or not the Frums of the punditosphere are correct, it might be dangerous for the Republican Party to elevate the stakes for this election to a death match between competing ideologies.  If Barack Obama's victory is as decisive as it is shaping up to be, the Democrats can justifiably claim that conservatism itself has been rejected as a political and governing philosophy.  In the closing weeks of the campaign, as the Republican ticket continues to run against the very idea of progressive politics, they are sowing the seeds of the post-election realignment narrative.

 "Socialist" ... "redistributive" ... These are 20th century words with 20th century connotations; indeed, the point of Obama's relfection was that the most progressive -- most liberal -- court of the era could not bring itself to violate a core American principle and could not extend the sphere of justice to the economy.  Obama wasn't simply making a technical point about jurisprudence and history; he was expressing a liberal positivist's lament about the court's reluctance in one specific case -- San Antonio Independent School District v. Rodriguez -- which dealt with education funding.

And here's the redistributionist part:

"One of the, I think, the tragedies of the civil rights movement, was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change, and in some ways we still stuffer from that."

"..so court focused..." is the tragedy, not the court's refusal to redistribute wealth.

Conservatives find it absurd that Americans are about to elect the most liberal president of the modern era and aren't terribly upset by it; but in capitalizing on this particular argument of Obama's, the Republicans are rearguing whether some form of economic redistributions from white people to black people was necessary -- even though Obama never really made the point.

Obama has been talking about the larger GOP governing philosophy for a while now, but until recently, the race hasn't seemed like as much of a referendum on Republicanism; it's been more of a referendum on the Bush years.

What changed?

The GOP went all in on an ideological war.

TrackBack

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference The Old Ideological Wars Renewed:

» More Conservative Hysteria on Economic Discussion from Liberal Values
The right wing continues to practice what Mark Halperin and John Harris described as the freak show in The Way to Win. Today they are going wild over a YouTube video dug up by Matt Drudge–which is the first sign it should be questioned. A heavil... [Read More]

» The McCain Campaign Misrepresents Obama's Position on "Redistribution of Wealth" from Buck Naked Politics
by Damozel | Here is what the McCain camp says he said:In a previously uncovered interview from September 6, 2001, Barack Obama expressed his regret that the Supreme Court hadn't been more 'radical' and described as a 'tragedy' the Court's refusal to t... [Read More]

» Ridiculousness About Redistribution: Drudge and Others from easttexasonline.com
In McCain’s last gasp at “victory”, he lunges for the “socialist” tag used so successfully against democrats since the Regan years. I think McCain is going to find that he wont have much success though. McCain still does... [Read More]

Comments (15)

This is actually a very salient and perceptive point Marc's bringing up. The failure of the modern Republican party is essentially a failure of Bush, Rove, and the Congressional leadership like Tom Delay which pretty much drove their party (and by extension, our country) into the ground. But what they're trying to do no to Obama is re-litigate the left/right ideological battle -- a battle that Obama had planned to originally avoid -- at a time when Obama is seen as the centrist and the Right as extremists. This is dangerous ground that they're treading on. The headwinds are simply too strong right now. Although personally, I'd love to see them push this until trickledown as a economic philosophy is completely discredited.

"The GOP went all in on an ideological war."

Or maybe the McCain campaign brain trust (using the former word loosely) allowed themselves to get sucked into it by their narrow tactical focus.

I suspect the focus on "redistribution" was simply an opportunistic attempt to capitalize on a perceived Obama gaffe (and the sudden appearance of Joe the Plumber) rather than a deliberate ideological statement.

Likewise, I think the McCaniacs started throwing the "socialism" charge after they were dismayed to find that the old GOP old buzz word -- "liberal" as in "embarrassingly liberal," "dangerously liberal," etc. -- wasn't working any more.

One short-term tactical step led to another, in other words. Having started down that path, McCain is now tailoring his entire campaign, including his "closing argument," around it.

He's gambling more than the GOP can afford to lose -- but since when has that ever been a consideration for McCain?

The GOP went all in on an ideological war.

Technically, one section of the party went all in on ideology, and one section, as exemplified by your colleague Sullivan, has been marching out the door in ones and twos. There's probably a third section sitting home quietly depressed.

Trying to up the stakes even more--If you don't vote McCain, then you reject everything this party has stood for!!-- is a stupid move but, you know, the GOP is not exhibiting much brilliance this cycle. (Today's exhibit: incumbent Co Com in Kansas takes to stealing his opponent's yard signs, in broad daylight, at a busy intersection, and is caught on film and arrested.) They may pick that perennially sex-scandaled seat up in Palm Beach.

Educational funding is in serious need of something--I know in the state of Connecticut public schools in the wealthy white towns have plenty of money for beautiful playgrounds, and the minority lower-income cities (e.g., New Haven, Hartford, Bridgeport), some schools can't even afford books. That is the context of the comments I believe, not slushing around the bourgeoisie's money to the proletariat, for goodness sakes!

The GOP hardly went in at all on an idealogical war. And the media did not even investigate the idealogy of Barack Obama. Don't take my word for it...just listen to Democrats like Hillary Clinton or Kirtsen Powers or veteran journalists like Michael S. Malone.

I read the Obama quote as saying that the tragedy was the lack of redistributive change, with the court-centric nature of the movement enabling that failure.

I think this election, whoever wins (though I am 99% sure that will be Obama), will profoundly alter the alliances which have governed American politics for too long. Prior to this spat, I figured that this would be a bigger possibility if McCain was elected, but now it seems a near certainty in any regard.

This whole thing is silly. Redistribution of wealth? Really? Have people been living in a cave for the past three weeks? The bailout--where do you think all of are taxpayer dollars are going? Directly back in our pockets--nope, they are being "redistributed" to various financial institutions to keep this economy afloat--in fact, the government has partially nationalized some of the banks.

You want to know the litmus test for Republican dishonesty--the recent McCain switch. Somehow, after years of lamenting Bush's tax cuts, and how people with more money could afford to pay more in taxes, McCain has found his conservative religion and wants tax cuts for everyone. Oh, and guess what, if you don't--you must be a hippie socialist. I mean this is crazy. Didn't McCain just propose using taxpayer dollars to buy up people's mortgages? Hello? Is this thing on?

And don't even get me started about the actual context of Obama's quotes. Isn't it more likely that he was talking about redistributing power (not that I care either way)--i.e. through legislative action, instead of relying solely on the courts to bring about change? That seems to be more in line with what some of the battles were then. Why do I even bother--I can't wait until Nov. 4th.

Conservatives find it absurd that Americans are about to elect the most liberal president of the modern era and aren't terribly upset by it

Progressives find it absurd that people keep relying on the National Journal to be the all-knowing arbiter of "liberal", when they quadrennially produce a list of 'key votes' that somehow always manage to come to the conclusion that the Democratic nominee is the MOST LIBERAL (SENATOR) EVAR!!!!11!!

Sorry, got carried away there.

I see you all have not lost your fight :

GOOD! Because we have a lot to do. You! (the American people) are going to have to take back control of your elected government at every level, and set your government back on the right path of service to you, and the greater good of the World.

Barack Obama and the democrats are your best hope of doing that now. Tell your family, friends, and everyone you know to support them as best they can. Because the Bush McCain vote fraud, vote cheating, vote buying, vote manipulation machine is already hard at work to cheat you again. And we all know what a disaster that has been the past 8 years of Bush McCain.

Barack Obama and the democrats will need all the power you can give them at every level of government (Federal, State, County, and local City elected governments). Obama and the democrats will have an enormous mess to fix for the American people, and the rest of the World. A mess caused by the corrupt Bush McCain administration.

You see, starting back in 2000, and before 911, it was mostly the Republican governors, Republican legislatures, and county elected Republican officials that conspired with the corrupt Bush McCain administration to raise college, and university tuitions by the fastest, and highest rate increases in American history. Some state tuitions went up by as much as a WHOPPING! 30% in one year.

The reason the Bush McCain administration did this was to force struggling working class kids into the military to pay for the sudden jump in tuition. Which was forced on them by the corrupt Bush McCain administration, and their corrupt Republican Governors, and republican controlled state legislatures.

See, Bush McCain had plans to get us into all these immoral, foolish, criminal, and unnecessary wars from the start. So they could use these wars to seize power, and later to get reelected. But, for their evil plan to work they needed more volunteer soldiers struggling to pay for an education whose blood they could spill to help them seize more power. Remember Bush McCain's "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!" theatrics.

The exploitation, and lost lives of these finest Americans is despicable, disgusting, immoral, corrupt and criminal. And it makes me SICK, and ANGRY!

You will have to vote for Obama, and the democrats in overwhelming numbers to overcome the Bush McCain vote fraud machine. Vote early if you can. Then help your fellow Americans cast their votes now, and on through election day. Vote for Obama, and the democrats like your life, and the lives of your loved ones depends on it. Because it does. You will not survive 4 more years of "Let Them Eat Cake" Bush McCain, and their republican allies.

Just look at the mess we have now.

You can fix this mess with your votes for Obama, and the democrats. And REMEMBER, no matter which of us may stumble or fall, the rest of you must continue to surge forward for Barack Obama, and the democrats, and for your-selves most of all. The children, and the World are counting on us.

It's in your hands now. And I know you will get it done.

God bless all of you.


JACK SMITH - WORKING CLASS... :-)

Taxes by their nature are redistributive. There may be a wide spectrum of thought on how taxes should be collected (and from whom) or how they should be disbursed throughout the economy, but no one doubts taxes are used to help fund the government's activities on behalf of the citizenry. One hopes you get an efficient allocation of taxes to help allow the citizens to achieve their personal goals without being too intrusive.

I do disagree with Marc's reading of the quote, however. I read it twofold: 1) Obama seems to have wanted the Civil Rights movement to have continued forward to address redistributive change. Think of Martin Luther King's work on behalf of the striking sanitation workers as an example. 2) What Obama doesn't recognize in that brief excerpt is that even in the 70s the Civil Rights battle was still a battle to equalize the status of the races. The 60s was about including minorities in society in the letter of the law. Beyond that the Civil Rights struggle has been about eliminating race as a factor in the spirit of the law. It's one thing to say something is legal and have it written on fine legal parchment; it's another thing to fight for those newfound rights to gain acceptance in society.

Obama is going to win next Tuesday because he knows we've reached that benchmark of moving forward as an integrated, multi-racial, multi-religious country. McCain/Palin cling to the divisiveness of the past and seek to reclaim it. Down that path danger lies. The GOP is about to lose the Latino vote for at least a generation and lose any claim to the African-American vote. Period.

Just look at the two campaigns' attitudes towards our most treasured right: the right to vote. The Democrats finally energized the apathetic American voter to engage in this election. They are champions of the franchise - for everybody! Then look at the GOP. Like the dastardly villain laying the helpless heroine on the train tracks, the GOP is all about disenfranchisement strategies and trickery. Claims of voter registration fraud. Passage of more restrictive voting laws. Enactment of poor, non-intuitive ballot design. The party that encourages the vote and values the voter has got to win.

This whole thing is silly. Redistribution of wealth? Really? Have people been living in a cave for the past three weeks? The bailout--where do you think all of are taxpayer dollars are going?

Not only has that horse left the barn, the barn's been sold.

"the Republicans are rearguing whether some form of economic redistributions from white people to black people was necessary"

Not all black people are poor and not all poor people are black. Yeah I know the black=poor/Republicans=racist equation is set in stone for some minds, and it was a driving factor for people like Atwater, but I think there's more to it than that. For Cuban-Americans or Vietnamese-Americans the distributionists terminology also may work, to remind them of Communists, and those two groups are in fact largely Republican. Granted Cubans are "whiter" than most Hispanics, but Vietnamese and other Asians aren't so much white. Likewise even if they're playing on disdain for the poor many white Republicans dislike poor white "white trash" as much as any Democrat dislikes them. (Clinton's people played up on "trailer trash" all through the Jones thing)

The whole Republican line of thought is bankrupt, as far as I'm concerned. I agree with lowering taxes as a concept, but when they talk about it, they mean lowering the taxes on the wealthy. That translates into increasing the taxes on the not wealthy. This whole campaign, and in others, they have been wrapping themselves up in American ideals, but it's double speak. For example, at Sarah's convention speech, she said that they would be helping Americans, and then went forward talking about lowering taxes for the wealthy.

Regarding taxes, I don't mind my money enabling all students to get a good education. I want skilled workers. I want people who can count their change. I want people around me who are functionally literate. I want paved roads and bridges that don't collapse.

Someone once complained to me: Why should I pay any property tax when I don't have any children?

I said: Really? Then don't forget to pay back all the people whose property taxes put you through school from kindergarten to high school, plus interest.

We're all in this together. Crying shame the GOP wants to turn this society in a sad Charles Dickens novel.