There's a suspicion in some McCain loyalist precincts that Gov. Sarah Palin is beginning to play the Republican base against John McCain -- McCain won't let her campaign in Michigan...McCain won't let her bring up Jeremiah Wright... McCain doesn't like her terrorist pal talks....
Think ahead to 2010...2011...2012.
Palin is ambitious. Very ambitious.
And if she wants the job, she's easily the frontrunner to become THE voice of the angry Right in the Wilderness. She is a favorite of talk radio and Fox News
conservatives, and speaks their language as only a true member of the
club can. (Her recent Limbaugh interview was full of dog whistles that
any Dittohead would recognize. Including her actual use of the word
ditto.)
Palin will have plenty of time to become fluent on national
issues. She will easily benefit from the low expectations threshhold,
and will probably even garner positive reviews from the MSM types who
disparage her today.
Palin will be judged to be "ready" in four years.
George Will and David Brooks and Peggy Noonan will all swoon over her
once more. Ok, maybe not George Will.
Palin is an enormously talented politician. When she knows what
she's talking about, or even when she knows enough to fake it, she is
very, very appealing, and very good at redirecting questions to
whatever her message is.
Pro-Palin voices will begin to talk a great deal about how the only
person to ever come close to beating Barack Obama was Hillary Clinton.
Palin will seem to fit the Hillary mold for many Republican primary
voters.
With Republicans completely out of power, and President Obama
running what is likely to be a bigger government that spends more on
social programs, Republicans are likely to run the most
anti-government, anti-Washington campaign this side of Barry
Goldwater. Again, Palin is perfectly positioned for this campaign.
Republicans tend to pick the next guy in line. Strangely enough,
the next guy in line is now Sarah Palin, by virtue of her being the VP
nominee this year. She will have the benefit of being both an outsider
candidate and the natural heir to the nomination; indeed, the only
candidate who will have experience in a general election campaign.
Her main obstacles to the nomination are Mitt Romney and Mike
Huckabee.
The Republicans are going to want someone
willing to really go for Obama's throat, and be able to do it with a
smile. Depending on the outcome of the GOP's War of the Roses, the evangelical community might be a stronger force in 2012 than it was in 2008, at least when it comes
to dominating the GOP nominating process. They are a solid bloc of
voters and footsoldiers amidst a rapidly splintering coalition.
Palin will be the most well-financed candidate aside from Mitt Romney. She will raise gobs
of money from old energy interests (who will be running scared against
Obama's green energy initiatives), and will in turn raise gobs of money
from small donors online.
Of course, we must consider black swans and the like. We don't know
what will occur during Obama's first term, and he could have either a
historic high point (like Bush did with 9/11) or a historic low point
(like Bush did with Katrina). Or, he could have an unremarkable first
term.
We just don't know. That being said, GOP voters simply don't
nominate new candidates who came from nowhere. Therefore, no matter
what events transpire, we can safely predict that the GOP will nominate
someone who is already known to us today.
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If Sarah Palin is truly the best the right can do, they will wander in the wilderness as they did 1932-1952. 
As an Alaskan, I think her career as Gov. is pretty much done after this election. The Troopergate stuff may not play hard in the national media but it is a strong story up here. Her performance on the national stage has not place the state in a favorable light either. AK is easier to govern when oil is selling at record prices but with the price declining and all the enemies she made on both sides of the political isle, she's toast. Now, that may work well for her. She may decline to run for reelection and once her term ends, launch her exploratory committee, ala Howard Dean. I don't doubt her hubris will lead her to run for President, just that it will lead her to the nomination. You can only fake it so much.
That, plus the vast majority of the country has already determined that she is an idiot. She can never recover from that because the reality is, she just isn't very smart. As the main candidate, she would have to have press conferences, debates, and deal with the MSM. She can't withstand that, now or ten years from now. As a democrat, nothing would make me happier than the continued candidacy of Palin. But surely the republican party will come to its senses and find someone with electability.
The funniest thing about this post is that I think it is meant to be taken seriously. It is sort of like Saturday Night Fever in that respect. Seriously, John Cornyn has a better chance of being the 2012 nominee.
I agree with Cookie. I think she will have a VERY hard time, being re-elected AK-GOV in 2010. 1. She has made enemies with R-AK legislators. 'Cute' has a short half-life.
Sarah Palin is not only ambitious, but she is also dangerous. Despite her apoparent religious fervor, she appeals to some of the basest and meanest instincts of the electorate; she is a divider, not a uniter. While quite clever, she has not shown any depth of intellect in her understanding of the national and international issues of the time. She is not representative of what I like to think is a "real American," irresspective of political affiliation.
I think this is more important: -----Original Message----- From: David Plouffe, BarackObama.com Sent: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:13 pm Subject: Go where the fight is Condi? Is that your name at weekends, or does only McCain get to call you that?
Seems to me that her ideal play is that the Senator gets re-elected, convicted, and resigns. She can probably get his seat in a special election (if that's how Alaska does it), spend 4 or 8 years in the Senate, then be in a position to make another run with better qualifications. But, if the republicans aren't wild about her, maybe they run her out to lose to Obama in 2012 while they play for a more winnable 2016. Lots of assumptions there of course, but I could see it playing out that way.
Palin is an enormously talented politician. No, she's not, Marc. She's enormously flirty and sexy and chirpy. She's not enormously talented. Enormously talented politicians possess some combination of the following characteristics: 1) They understand stuff Palin is good at none of this. She is not an enormously talented politician. She's sparkly on stage, but that superficiality does not constitute "enormous talent."
This article is making a huge assumption; that being a win by Obama. The last pole I saw of likely voters (as opposed to registered voters) had him in a dead heat with McCain.
Sarah Palin speaks for untold millions of Americans who are just now realizing that our country is going to be run by the same shysters who have destroyed the inner city cultures. Big city bigots have won this round -- but decent people will prevail and you professional bloggers are going to be handed your hats in about 4 years. Oh, and when that dirty bomb (you're in a rush to enable) knocks out the grid and you can't go online to whine -- we in the heartland will be doing just fine with our wood stoves, hand pump wells and oil lamps. Got my religion and my gun, gonna be fun!
No matter what is done how does a candidate overcome the "stupid" moniker. She needs 10 years of education to get her beyond her current 5th grade status. I'm not an elitist but good lord she is too badly educated for the job of President.
Before I knew who Sarah Palin really was, I was excited to see something out of the blue that could shake up this election. I happened to be in AK at the time of her nomination. When I queried people on this, I received a very lukewarm response that puzzled me. As time has gone on, and I have had a chance to read about and observe her, my opinion has taken a 180 degree turn. She is great at repeating packaged rhetoric, but when it comes to original thought, she doesn't cut it with me. Anyone else with medium intelligence should be able to see through her facade. I am truly disappointed and can only shake my head in disbelief.
Wow. Brilliant. In other words, pretty much anything could happen during an Obama first term and then...anything could happen. Do the pundits ever get sick of hearing themselves talk (or write) about nothing? Who will pay for Palin's wardrobe to run for President?
One thing you have to ask is if Sara Palin gets nominated, does she have a chance to win? She has very, very low favorability ratings. So if she does win, she's likely to crater among those independents and democrats. People will see her up there and remember how awful she was 4 years prior.
I soooooo hope she runs in 2012, it will just ensure Obama will be re-elected. If she does run, then no more shielding from the press, no more double-interviews and best of all she will have to go against Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee who will tear her apart in the primaries. Not to mention she will get a good dose of the Republican slime machine as it doesn't not recognize friend from foe in the primaries.
I may have decided to respond to this post knowing for sure it was satire, but given that I don't, I'll just leave you with this quote: People Magazine: Have you traveled with the kids anywhere in the lower 48? Sarah Palin: Yes. Many, many, many times. Yes. Yes. We go to Hawaii often.
Sweetdough - I think you're right that Palin has the potential to be the nominee of dumb people, people who don't know anything about policy or the world and are sick and tired of being looked down on by people who do know things. That's just not fair! The ignorant deserve representation too, and they just may get it if dumb people are able to peel away from the Jerry Springer show and mobilize themselves in 4 years. Perhaps an anti-gay pogrom will do the trick.
Two words: Jeb Bush I'd love to see Palin come back in 2012. It would mean for sure that the GOP will get wiped out again if she were the nominee. Also, this time, she'd have to go against other GOP nutjobs in the primary. And if she thinks Obama's legion fought dirty, she ain't seen nothing yet!
The people at the top of the GOP don't care that she's an empty shell. They happen to like running things in the background, and Palin is the perfect puppet.
Marc, you're overlooking one HUGE aspect of a potential 2012 Palin run: her family. Bristol and Redneck will have their four-year old daughter. Track will be home from Iraq. Doing what? Will he become sort of a career military guy? The two little girls will be in high school, rambunctious as ever and perhaps even one of them will get knocked up like her sister. And then you have little Trig, who will be five, with Down's Syndrome. It will be an awkward family and, most importantly, it seems really chaotic. My guess is that the family will continue to sort of splinter at the seams, and that will look ugly in public. That's not to say that I really give a shit about Palin's family life - merely, if you think the optics of her Jerry Springer-like family dynamic is bad now, wait four years. Celebrity does not go well with lack of sophistication, just ask the Spears family.
Sorry, but I believe that anyone who tries to predict anything beyond the next week is either a fool or an idiot. Of course, it does fill space.
"The last pole I saw of likely voters had him in a dead heat with McCain." -- Mark Trenton Your problem is you are looking at poles instead of polls. Every poll with a reasonable LV profile has Obama in a near-landslide. Keep dreaming about your John-Sarah inauguration party, but it's not gonna happen.
"Sorry, but I believe that anyone who tries to predict anything beyond the next week is either a fool or an idiot. Of course, it does fill space." Score.
Sorry, but I believe that anyone who tries to predict anything beyond the next week is either a fool or an idiot.Well duh, this is Ambinder we're talking about. He makes Palin herself look like a genius.
She has no curiosity to examine the duties of a VP even after making so many gaffes on that question. Her lack of interest to raise her knowledge is capped by her absolute hunger for power. She is undoubtedly dangerous but the sad thing is that people's memory are short-lived and they will forget all her negatives, stupidity, connives, and cunningness by 2012.
Sara's best bet for the future is be a Commentator on Fox News or be on Joan Rivers Show discussing the outfits celebs wear.
Go to www.mudflats.wordpress.com -- an Alaska Blog site where you'll see that Palin's "base" is not as thrilled with her as she leads us to think. Perhaps, however she could go back to being mayor of Wasilla? I'm not sure that would get her back in the national limelight, but stranger things have happened. Bottom line: Palin's name doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Hillary Clinton. Palin is in it for Palin. Period.
Palin is a mental midget. Snarky, unethical, ignorant and dishonest. She makes GW seem intelligent. Palin for pres is suicide for the republicans. Not that that would stop them. That's about all there is to it.....
Talk to me when the woman gets through all of her criminal investigations in Alaska and avoids being convicted for her shenanigans. All it takes is conviction for a misdemeanor and this line of discussion is moot. I don't think Palin's going to have an easy ride in AK ... regardless of how Limbaugh feels about her. On a larger level, if the GOP is in such disarray that Palin becomes their elected nominee, it would indicate they are no longer viable as a national party - putting them in the same tier as the Libertarians or Freedom Party.
Sarah Palin, who has been running for VP for a couple months, recently explained the job of VP as "being in charge of the Senate." The depth of her ignorance is astonishing.
I disagree that she will have any trouble winning re-election. She is very popular in Alaska because that state IS the GOP base... But you are 17 different kinds of high if you think she will be the nominee in '12. 1. The GOP will realize that they have to run someone middle of the road in order to win. This is not a "Base Election"... there is no reason to believe that it will be next time either. (Congrats Mitt) 2. She will have to stand on the stage with a crowed field and survive 10-15 debates with others of her own party who will try and destroy her. (ask Hillary how easy that was) 3. The larger, public image of her is set. Sure she can "bone up" on the issues and will be better... but now people expect her to make a mistake, people are searching for it... And everyone makes mistakes. When she does the media will have a field day. 4. How will she ever reverse her Fav/Unfav rating? She would be much better served to NOT run for re-election, and instead host a radio and/or Fox News show. Think about it... it would make her rich, the people who do love her would be a faithful audience, and she would be the VOICE of the base.
It's funny how your predictions are the inverse of mine. Lets go state by state in the primary. In the southern evangelical states she splits votes with Huck. In the other (educated) states she has no chance against Romney because her poor debate and interview skills. The final outcome is loss of nomination. Her only chance is to make a deal with Huck. Ironic how he may give the nomination to Romney on 2012.
If they want to pander to their 'base', rather than realise their base has become a shrunken, hateful inbred shack, and have Palin as the ever shriller cheerleader as her looks start to fade, I would be delighted. It's all v similar to Conservatives in Britain 1997 - they had nearly ten years of self-destruction before they came back from the brink. Huckabee stands a genuine chance; all he needs to do is sit and smile and wait for Palin to self-destruct; preferably for him in a death match with Romney. And Marc, you are embarrassing yourself that she is a superb politician. It's your usual fetish for people willing to do and say anything to get what they want. She has that in spades; but NOTHING else.
Fair enough. But, when you argue: "With Republicans completely out of power, and President Obama running what is likely to be a bigger government that spends more on social programs, Republicans are likely to run the most anti-government, anti-Washington campaign this side of Barry Goldwater. Again, Palin is perfectly positioned for this campaign." My issue with that is: what if the nation is not fully recovered from this economic crisis (which seems almost certain), and folks genuinely need more governmental help and regulation? How could an anti-government, anti-Washington campaign be relevant? I think Obama's media advisers are talented enough, if he's even moderately successful in a first term, to create a narrative that Dems in office = lives getting better. I would counter-argue that Palin's hateful Limbaugh rhetoric will only get so far, and probably self-destruct if a majority of Americans understand that our problems will take longer than 4 years to be solved -- thus giving Obama some wiggle room. They are much more likely to put up a serious candidate in 2012. And, I just don't think voters will forget Tina Fey's comic deconstruction of her OR forget that Palin was the THE ONE who basically called him a terrorist sympathizer. You're underestimating how much people are rejecting the Bush paradigm. Or, how much she's embarrassed herself. Images are more powerful than the passage of time, I think.
On the other hand, there is a sizeable portion of the crazy right (Kristol, Mark Levin and assorted foaming clowns at NRO) who will blame McCain's loss on the fact that he wasn't conservative, angry, hardcore enough. These people may finally, truly have their shot with Palin - test the thesis. Run the most hardcore, raving, fundamentalist, ignorant, bombastic, extremist conservative candidate possible, see what happens. Only after they lose every state will they reconsider their assumptions.
Is this supposed to be a satire piece? Sarah Palin is awful. Now, I don't blame her entirely for her inadequacy as someone as new and unaccomplished as herself cannot have enough coaching to overcome her lack of experience. So the majority of the blame falls on John McCain for being stupid enough to pick her in the first place. But some things are inexcusible, such as her ignorance of the VP role in the Senate, and her inability to name even one reform McCain had fought for to lowly Katie Couric of all people. Had Mitt Romney been asked such a lightweight question he'd be able to rattle off a list of things McCain has prusued under the realm of reform. Sarah Palin, if she is to be a viable national figure and especially one with Executive Branch aspirations, will have to spend much of the next few years repairing her image. As of now she remains a lightweight cultural figure, an ideological nod to a base who needs no such incentive to vote against Obama, meaning McCain stupidly calculated he needed to shore up the single-issue-voters who wake up each day with their goal being to overturn Roe v. Wade, i.e. they would've even voted for Mormon Mitt at the top of the ticket since the alternative is a guy named Barack Obama. Anyway, Palin is but one of a few younger generation Republicans we'll be getting familiar with in the next 2 years. Thanks to McCain's nitwittery she got a jumpstart this cycle, though it looks like that jumpstart only thrust her into the wall in Turn 1. Another younger name we also know is Bobby Jindal, who has gobs more substance than Palin. Then the last of this group who emerged on the scene this cycle is Gov. Pawlenty. In addition to these three, Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor are the other names you should expect to see rise to national prominence as the Republicans do their soul searching starting in about 2 weeks from today. But make no mistake, 2012 is Romney's to lose.
This all assumes that Bobby Jindahl doesn't run. Jindahl could split half her base, and Huckabee could split the other. If that's the case, you might see someone like Romney win a divided nomination, much like McCain won despite being unpopular with much of the traditional base this year.
Makes me wonder about Sarah and Todd Palin's tie's with the AIP, and the video that had surfaced of the founder of AIP wanting Alaska to secede from U.S. Is Sarah Palin a manchurian candidate that AIP selected to somehow penetrate Washington? It also makes me suspicious that McCain somehow got conned into selecting her against his judgement and wishes because the Limbaugh/Hannity/Schmidt/Davis camp decided he didn't have much of a chance and decided to groom someone like her for 2012? I used to respect McCain and even thought of voting for him much earlier in the year, and I can't for the world of me figure out how that McCain has disappeared. I don't see any honor or honesty or integrity or love of country in this McCain. Does he even know what his own party has done to him?
Just one Tina Fey skit is enough to remove her from national politics. In fact, it already has.
Sarah is your typical hockey mon.
In four years, Palin is four years less hot. Hot is all she's got.
Yes, it doesn't hurt to recall that Sarah Palin's husband of many years, Todd, hates America. He hates America so much he wanted to seceed from it, to literally break the US up into pieces. That's how much he hates America. Good luck with the 2012 campaign, Governor.
Historically speaking, failed VP nominees almost never capture their party's nomination (Dole is an exception, but his presidential bid was almost twenty years after being Ford's VP-pick). Plus, she's already seriously scandal ridden with enormous negatives. She's likely to be blamed by many as one of the key reasons for McCain's defeat. The right wing loves her, and the next cycle may see them in the ascendancy within their party-- but if I were to place money now, I'd be making bets on Huckabee as the presumptive favorite, not Palin.
Palin is a moron. She does not even qualified to run a lemonade stand, much less be VP or Pres. Anyone who thinks she is more than that is even dumber than her!
No way. After this disastrous election, the repubs are going to break into 4 pieces, with the neocons blaming the theocons, who blame the market fundamentalists, who blame Main Street. In a few months the Republican Party will begin to resemble the Donner party.
The Washington elite is cominig out against her at this point. If you look at wall street, Our Car companies, and the government. They all have one thing in common. The so ccalled smart people are running them. I don't think we can afford to many more smart people. Lets just have a little common sense for a change. That's the change I'm looking for. Obama is one of the so called smart people. He will be a one term president. His term will be a disaster. AS for The Washignton elite. They can all kiss my very white American Ass. That would be Republican or Democrat. AS for most of you people on this blog. Your just stupid!
chance, it's: You're just stupid, not your just stupid.
"I don't think we can afford to many more smart people" "AS for most of you people on this blog. Your just stupid!" Hilarious. Please post more, Chance. We need to know more about the pro-stupidity demographic.
Ant, are you on crack? Huckabee has, for pretty much the same reasons, about much of a chance for 2012 as Palin does, rofl. Sure, he'll run. But the ticket will spring out of the following names: Romney, Pawlenty, Jindal, Cantor, Steele, Ryan, Petraeus.
Be careful. Be very, very careful.
You're high. Outside of the beltway and the 23%ers, she's a joke. She'd get destroyed in an actual primary. Someone who has *all* of her positives, plus a good relationship with media, plus national credibility is already the number two guy: Mike Huckabee. Sarah Palin might not survive the remainder of her governorship. Here's a protip: there are vastly more Republicans than there are Limbaugh fans.
Palin may be a crafty politician, however she has now developed a history of bad ethical behavior, abusive behavior towards those in disfavor and is now seen a a "taker" of taxpayer dollars while talking financial reform. The foundation is weak, regardless of how knowledgeable she becomes. Palin is a disaster in 2008 and 2012 holds more of the same a Leopards do not change their spots. Should she be a candidate in 2012 and lose, she is politically finished. Maybe the next step for her is the U.S. Senate and there maybe she will learn the Rules and become Minority Leader. The above assessment did not include Jeb Bush as a potential Republican "bright star."
As a conservative Christen Republican, I will never EVER support or vote for Sarah Palin. I would rather not vote than to support her. Should she become the standard bearer, the Republican party would seek to become the Big Tent party and revert to the party of white trash racists who are radical Christens that have an education level of 6th grade.
Marc, I think the analysis is generally correct. I think her 2012 ambitions were obvious right around the MI pullous and I wrote about it at the time: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/4/143718/237/320/620044 As a dem, I think this is great news. After years of cultivating anti-elitism as an organizing prinicple, Sarah Palin is the devil that the GOP has created and cannot stop. They would have been so much smarter to anoint Bobby Jindal, but they didn't.
You do realise though that this gives most of us nightmares....
WHY HASN'T ANYONE HERE ADDRESSED THE FACT THAT OBAMA AND BIDEN RUN OFF AT THE MOUTH CONSTANTLY WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE SAYING ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE OR WHETHER OR NOT IT IS FACTS - TALK ABOUT PALIN ALL YOU LIKE - I WILL TAKE SARAH ANY DAY TO THESE TWO SOCIALIST DUDES. I DON'T LOOK FORWARD TO LIVING IN THEIR SOCIALIST-COMMUNIST COUNTRY. BIDEN HAS BEEN IN THE GOVERNMENT FOR THIRTY YEARS AND JUST LOOK AT THE KIND OF MISREPRESENTATIONS HE SPOUTS. I THINK SARAH HAS LEARNED MUCH MORE IN HER SHORT TIME IN GOVERNMENT THAN BIDEN HAS DURING HIS TIME. OBAMA/BIDEN WOULDN'T BE DOING SO WELL IF IT WERE NOT FOR THE LIBERAL COMMUNIST/SOCIALIST PRESS - CNN, NBC, CBS AND ABC. WE MIGHT AS WELL BE LIVING IN RUSSIA AND BEING FORCED FED THEIR PROPAGANDA. IF ELECTED PRESIDENT, I SUPPOSE OBAMA WILL GET ALL HIS ANARCHIST-MARXIST BUDDIES ALLIGNED FOR MORE PROPAGANDA AGAINST FREE AMERICA.
Fox will pick her up, give her the blonde make over and she will become just another Fox bimbo. Mark my word!
Joseph, I sincerely agree with your assessment of Obama's machiavellian M.O. That's why I think he'll be hard to beat in 2012 b/c for that to happen his misdeeds or mistakes will have to show up in a major way during his first term. I think he'll move to the center, a la Bill Clinton, and so he'll have a much easier re-election than he would if he actually tried to appease all the idiots who support him b/c they'll be along for the 2012 vote no matter what he does or doesn't do. But I sincerely disagree with what his machiavellian nature will prompt him to do. If he wants to get re-elected, Sarah Palin as the GOP nominee in 4 years will be exactly who he wants to run against. I mean, either she or Mike Huckabee, but since he's as insignficant as he is, there's no way Obama can pull the strings to run against the Huckster, so he'd gladly settle for Palin whom he'd beat much easier than he will McCain in 12 days. Face the music guys, the democrats have admitted that the person they feared most was Romney. They spent far more money attacking him over the rest of the republican field in ads and campaigns during the primaries, the DNC launched far more negative press releases and statements about Romney than any other Republican, and if the smoke wasn't evidence enough to you the chair of the DNC itself even came clean and said so after Romney got out of the race. Many of us have a bad taste in our mouths for what the McCain-Huckabee alliance did to Romney this election and we kept an open mind until McCain didn't forgive his own grudge and invite Romney on the ticket, which would be only the sane and sensible thing to do since both men have strengths and talents to address our two most pressing issues: war and economic catastrophe. Had McCain truly been Country First, there would be no alternative to Romney as VP. Since he's either too petty or too stupid (likely both) to do so despite all the evidence from the primary race and the GOP delegate straw poll to pick the VP overwhelmingly favored Romney, McCain has us believe that if he goes down in his 70s like his dad and grandfather each did, then we're better off with Sarah than Mitt Romney? Pathetic. So many of us pulled up the ladder after giving Palin about 2 weeks to get her act together b/c this ticket stinks, it's a big fat loser, and so the best road to recovery runs through the intersection of McCain Defeat and Obama Victory in 2008. That means we're not voting for McCain. Some of us are simply not voting at all, some are writing in Mitt Romney, and some are even voting for Obama if they happen to live in battleground states just to ensure that McCain doesn't get to slide into the Oval Office and make another mess as big as Bush has made.
Honestly I hope and pray you are right because then we can virtually gurantee an Obama second term.
Two words: New Hampshire. I don't think she wins the primary there if there's a serious challenger out of Iowa. In fact, it might not even be close.
A woman being the head of the party of angry white males? Come on... You think Romney, Giuliani, Gingrich or Huckabee are gonna let that happen? How about Jeb Bush? My sleeper is Mel Martinez. Especially if they lose Florida and get wiped out with the Hispanic vote. She was always a gimmick. The base supported her because she was thought to give McCain the best shot at winning. If she can't do that she'll go right back to Dan Quayle obscurity.
God, as a Dem I PRAY that Palin gets the nod in 2012. She'd get blasted in the neighborhood of 75% - 25%. Ohpleaseohpleaseohplease!!!!!!!!!!
"Pro-Palin voices will begin to talk a great deal about how the only person to ever come close to beating Barack Obama was Hillary Clinton. Palin will seem to fit the Hillary mold for many Republican primary voters." Well the only person to ever BEAT Se. Obama was Congressman Bobby Rush. Does the GOP have any former Black Panthers hidden amongst their ranks somewhere?
My friends, now is not the time to cast your vote on a godless communist muslim arab terrorist. Obama will not cut taxes for the rich, he will only cut taxes for those making less than $250,000. This is less, my friends, than the dress Cindy wore to my convention. We need the McCain, Palin team in Washington to fight those liberal fat cats who attack our poor Wall Street executives and their compensation and bonus packages. I will continued the inspired policies of our great leader, George W Bush, or Dubya, to his friends like me! And did I mention Obama is a Negro?
Let's not forecast 2012. A lot can happen in four years. At this time in 2000, it was plausible to think a Bush win would mean a relatively moderate, inclusive Republican administration focused on domestic issues. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Where I purchase all those gorgeous jackets after Sarah Palin is washed back up to Alaska, I will only pay resale value:-) Go Smart People! Democrats will rule again.
Strange I as it may seem, I'm kind of with you on this one Marc. The party faithful love her and that what wins primaries. That said, John Thune might upset her applecart.
Unfortunately, I think the GOP could nominate her in 2012. We have a puppet in the White House now. Maybe the GOP likes an attractive, tow the party line mouth piece with the people in power behind the curtain like the "Wizard of Oz".
McSame's bimbette is a flop now, and she CERTAINLY will be in 2012 also.
Steve Atwood writes: "Should she become the standard bearer, the Republican party would seek to become the Big Tent party and revert to the party of white trash racists who are radical Christens that have an education level of 6th grade." Have you seen any of the Youtube clips of the knuckledragging mouthbreathers at McCain-Palin rallies? Evidently the Repiglican Party is already fitting your description.
Opal, Your CAPS LOCK is on...
Sarah Palin is the future hope of America, especially if we get Barack Obama as president. Obama is the Hugo Chavez of the United States, pushing socialism, massive welfare for those who will not work, and government control of everything. It was Bill Clinton's moderate liberalism that led to the backlash that gave Republicans both houses of congress and made Newt Gingrich speaker of the house. Just immagine the backlash that Obama's extreme liberalism will provoke. The current backlash against Bush is because he is NOT a conservative. Bush has grown the size of government and the national debt as bad as any democrat. After Bush's betrayal, this election will be truly winning year for real conservatism. Conservatives win if we elect McCain-Palin, or our victory will become clear when Obama's policies destroy liberalism forever. It is the Right, not the Left, that is on the side of history.
If Palin became the nominee she would lose. The social conservative base may love her, the anti-intellectual you-betcha attidude devoid of any actual substance does not play well with moderates and would be demonized by liberals. Even if McCain were to win and decided he only wanted 1 term, The democrats have the likes of Mark Warner, Evan Bayh, and Hillary Clinton in the wings. She could be declared ready by the National Review, but it would not make her electable.
Given that Obama is using the Hugo Chavez/Castro blue print for govenment overthrow.... ..Long before 2012 (With a Majority in both houses by demo-marxist, and a few more Ultra-Lib Ginsbergs appointed to the Supreme Court) he will be allowed to stay unopposed as "Dear Leader" for life, with any challenger to his authority being locked up or 6 feet under.
Dog-whistles, eh? The phrase is shibboleths. But then, I guess we're all dogs, so you're ok. When can we expect to be "put down," Marc?
Count me as another voice for the "Republicans will destroy Palin" argument. Either in the Alaskan Gov election or the primaries Palin will be demolished by whomever runs against her. Also, if she's on the top of the ticket how does her campaign hide how extreme she is on social issues (as McCain's has effectively done)? The Republican primary may shift to the right, but the top-line "versus Obama" numbers will be available, and does anyone really think that Obama v. Palin will look at all competitive given her desire to ban abortion completely, etc.? This is silly. Palin is feverishly liked by a small number of people. And yes, they are likely GOP primary voters. But don't confuse that rabid following with being the GOP's frontrunner. She's been a large part of a GOP debacle and both Jindal and Huckabee fill the 2012 role she'd fill without the flashback-inducing negatives.
Are you serious! I was hoping for this but I dare not say it out loud for fear it wouldn't happen. She's taken your best shot and you have not even laid a glove on her. The mindless Democratic Party member, the ones that do not follow issues only live to hate the Republican Party, like The Atlantic, will always hate a personality that attract people. But in 2012 Obama will actually have a record people can review. You can not hide it like this election. Marc you may actually have to report on your expertise, Politics.
I've got news for you, Sweetdough. I live in a tiny mountain town (less than a thousand people) that's pretty isolated in the winter. We have a well and a woodstove and a genny. We own a rifle and a shotgun. My husband served his country proudly in the Navy and volunteers for the rural fired department. We know all of our neighbors. I guess we live in what Sarah Palin calls "Real America". Here's the news. Not only are we voting for Barack Obama, but so is everyone I know in my little community. No one I know wants the kind of hate-filled, divisive administration the McCain/Palin ticket offers. We may be small town folk, but we are not small minded or stupid.
Forget Palin. Huckabee is way scarier than Palin. He's polite, funny, warm, smart and about as firmly entrenched in his religion as any Islamoterrrorfascist. And he has dimples.
She will be out of politics in 2 years and make a LOT of money as a FOX talking (empty) head.
You're all missing the point here. Sarah Palin will be the Vice President for the next four years. The only way she's running for President in 2012 is if McCain doesn't run for a second term.
What I find funny is that you liberal's are pretending to know anything and everything about Alaskan politics. Before this election, I am willing to wager 99% of you had no idea who the gov. was in Alaska and yet, here you go, predicting a resounding defeat for the most popular governor in the entire US. The difference between the Republican party and the Liberal party is that the Republican party tends to have values and morals. Liberals have shown that anything and everything goes, including infanticide. When America's jobs are cut, 401k's dwindle to nothing, and the socialistic attitude of the left is realized, Palin will win in a landslide in 2012. Liberals literally hate President Bush today, but wait until 2012, America will be willing to throw Obama under the bus. Mark.My.Words.
Interesting as the Alaskan who says she is taost is probably also a Berkowitz and Begich supporter. This Alaskan (yeah I am an Alaskan too) thinks you are talking out our butt! Did you send back that 1200 Check that Palin gave to all the Alaskan Citizens? I doubt it.. you probably spent it on a New TV. FYI there Cookie, maybe you should get out more and look into the two Democrats trying to take two positions. Begich raised Bonds and Taxes on HOUSES here in Anchorage.... he is NOT liked here by those who think about the amount we are paying on a house or condo under 210K. Also, Berkowitz is a loser whom only gets things down if Les Gara is holding his hand. You may not like Palin, but she sure did a hell of a lot more then Murkowski or Knowles has in YEARS! Get you head out of your butt... the methane is killing your brain cells.
Sounds like the formula for a Mitt Romney nomination, and a second Obama term. If Palin and Huckabee both run, they'll split the evangelical vote and Romney will cruise to the nomination as the "serious" candidate -- but Obama, barring something unforseen happening, has already locked up the "serious" brand. Romney will be nothing more than a "me-too" candidate, a weaker shadow of Obama's policies similar Alf Landon in his failed runs against FDR. Oh, and Mark Trenton, a "poll" is a statistical model of likely voter behavior. A "pole" is what Sarah should be dancing on. |
I'd suggest the one thing missing from your calculation is that she doesn't survive up in Alaska.
Sticking taxpayers w/the bill for her kids travel, letting The Todd strong arm other government employees, and, oh yeah, isn't she being deposed today or tomorrow by the state ethics cmte?
There's nobody better than this in the GOP?
Posted by Cookie Puss | October 23, 2008 9:45 AM