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The Polls -- They Are... Tightening. And Not Tightening.

28 Oct 2008 08:30 pm

So -- here's what seems to be happening nationally.

Nationally, John McCain seems to be gaining an eensy bit of traction among Republican base voters and conservative leaning independents. A dew drips worth of white men here, a few drips among rural voters.

I write "seems to" because there's nothing distinguishing his movement from natural noise at this point. Polling averages also seem to be steady.

Barack Obama's numbers aren't moving downward. McCain's are moving a bit upwards.  (Was he really going to get 39% of the vote?)

In the battlegrounds, except for in McCain's internal polling, there has been NO appreciable tightening.  None. Actually, that's wrong. There's been tightening in red states. Georgia. Montana. North Dakota. South Dakota. Arizona.

If I had to guess, well, I'd hazard that McCain's blip up has to do with the economic code words he's using...  and also because the race being given maximum attention by the public.

Democrats tend to panic at the slightest hint of tightening polls. They really shouldn't; the fundamentals of this political economy are strong.  

Update: on cue, the McCain campaign distributes a memo making the argument that Barack Obama has maxed out his support -- at a level lower than most polls are projecting.

Here's the key paragraph (and note the final sentence.)

We have merged all of our interviews over the last three plus weeks to identify undecided and respondents who "refuse to respond" on the ballot question.  This can be as high as one out of ten voters, but is generally about eight percent (8%) of the electorate in battleground states.

These voters might generally be non-voters in most cycles.   But, in this cycle, 61% describe their interest in the election as a 10.   This is higher than the last track among ALL voters in 1996 and 2000.

These voters are older, downscale, more rural, and are certainly economically stressed.  They are quite negative about the direction of country and seek change.  They voted for Bush over Kerry by a margin of 47% to 24% and this partisan advantage is a critical element to understanding our capacity to "get" these voters.

They have significant hesitations about Senator Obama's experience and judgment.

Given an Obama TV media barrage we have not witnessed since the last candidate to run without public financing, Richard Nixon in 1972, and the daily drumbeat about Obama's chances, given their demographics,  it is my sense these voters WILL vote in this election and WILL break decisively in our direction.

These undecided/refuse to respond voters breaking decisively against Senator Obama mirrors the pattern of the last two months of the Democrat primary season.

When they do break, I believe they will add a net three plus points to our margins.

Read the full after the jump and tell me what you think.

TO:                   McCain Strategy Team

FROM:             Bill McInturff, Lead Pollster, McCain-Palin 2008; Partner, Public Opinion Strategies

RE:                   State of the Race and Ballot Position

DATE:             October 28, 2008

 

First, let's be clear: This is a hard election to "predict."

The historic nature of the candidates on both tickets, the huge influx of unregulated money by the Obama campaign, the dour public mood, and the unique level of voter interest all suggest an historic level of turn-out, not witnessed in over 40 years.

Our models/understanding of what is coming is therefore necessarily projective, but, here is what we know for sure:

The McCain campaign has made impressive strides over the last week of tracking.

The campaign is functionally tied across the battleground states ... with our numbers IMPROVING sharply over the last four tracks.

The key number in our mind is Senator Obama's level of support and the margin difference between the two candidates.

As other public polls begin to show Senator Obama dropping below 50% and the margin over McCain beginning to approach margin of error with a week left, all signs say we are headed to an election that may easily be too close to call by next Tuesday.

1.             We are witnessing a significant shift across the battleground states.

The race has moved significantly over the past week, closing to essentially tied on the last two-day roll.  These gains are coming from sub-groups it should be possible to sustain over the next week, including:

 

-                      Non-college men;

-                      Rural voters, both men and women;

-                      Right-to-life voters; and most encouragingly;

-                      We are beginning to once again get over a 20% chunk of the vote among soft Democrats.

Importantly as well, our long identified target of "Walmart women" - those women without a college degree in households under $60,000 a year in income are also swinging back solidly in our direction.

Finally, in terms of critical improvement, even as this track shows more Republicans voting for us than Democrats supporting Obama, we are witnessing an impressive "pop" with Independent voters.

As I said during our Sunday briefing, we do substantially more interviews per day than any public poll, but, given the shift we were witnessing, it was my expectation that by Tuesday/Wednesday multiple public polls would show the race closing.  A quick glance at Real Clear Politics would indicate this is happening by today, Tuesday, and that's good!

2.             It is not surprising we are witnessing this closing as we are finally having an opportunity to run a campaign that focuses on Senator Obama's record on taxes and his lack of experience.

We are tracking how much people have seen, read, or heard about a number of thematic elements from both campaigns, including the false charges about Senator McCain's health care plan, being out of touch on the economy, and the Obama's campaign charges about Medicare.  At the same time, we are testing awareness of "Joe the Plumber," Senator's Biden's quote about his own running mate being so inexperienced it invites being tested by our enemies around the world, and Obama's proposals that will raise federal spending by a trillion dollars.

This has been the week where "Joe the Plumber" has literally become a household name.  An astounding 59% of voters in these battleground states have heard "a lot" about this story, 83% have heard "a lot" or "some" about this episode.

The 59% "a lot" dwarfs the other stories/thematic elements we are tracking this week.

The campaign's relentless focus has helped strengthen our margins on the issue of taxes and broadened as well to the attribute of handling the economy and jobs.

3.             Our opponent is being correctly perceived as the most liberal nominee in modern times.

 

In our tracking, now 59% of battleground voters describe Senator Obama as being a "liberal," a percentage that is higher than previous Democrat losers Gore/Kerry, and significantly higher than for President Clinton and President Carter.

A majority (54%) of voters profile as saying Senator Obama is more liberal than they see themselves politically.

As Senator Obama's profile as a "liberal" increases, it has helped further erode his support among key sub-groups.

4.             Turn-out IS going to go through the roof.

 

Public Opinion Strategies has been using a 1 to 10 scale to help look at self-described interest in the election since 1993.   In 1996, in our last track, 48% of voters described their interest in the election as a "10."   In 2000, the last track was 54% saying "10."  Remarkably, in 2004, our last track had self-described "10s" at 75% of the electorate.

You need to understand we are witnessing a day-to-day trend of serious magnitude as self-described "10s" increase in every roll.

Last night, 81% of voters described their interest in this election as a 10!  Wow.

Here is the importance of this number:  We have watched as turn-out has gone up in the last three presidential elections from roughly 96 million voters in 1996, to 104 million voters in 2000, to a whopping 122 million voters in 2004.

I now believe turn-out will begin to approach levels not seen since other comparable presidential campaigns in 1960 and 1968.

In today's terms, that could mean breaking the barrier of 130 million voters!

There is simply no model that begins to know or predict the composition of the electorate at this level of turn-out.

My own view ... and our own weights in our surveys ... reflect a belief that African American turn-out will be at historic levels, there will be a significant boost with voters 18 to 29 years old, yet the overall high level of turn-out will begin to mute the increase in the percentage these sub-groups represent in the overall electorate.


5.             There is more elasticity in this campaign than is imagined.

 

We have merged all of our interviews over the last three plus weeks to identify undecided and respondents who "refuse to respond" on the ballot question.  This can be as high as one out of ten voters, but is generally about eight percent (8%) of the electorate in battleground states.

These voters might generally be non-voters in most cycles.   But, in this cycle, 61% describe their interest in the election as a 10.   This is higher than the last track among ALL voters in 1996 and 2000.

These voters are older, downscale, more rural, and are certainly economically stressed.  They are quite negative about the direction of country and seek change.  They voted for Bush over Kerry by a margin of 47% to 24% and this partisan advantage is a critical element to understanding our capacity to "get" these voters.

They have significant hesitations about Senator Obama's experience and judgment.

Given an Obama TV media barrage we have not witnessed since the last candidate to run without public financing, Richard Nixon in 1972, and the daily drumbeat about Obama's chances, given their demographics,  it is my sense these voters WILL vote in this election and WILL break decisively in our direction.

These undecided/refuse to respond voters breaking decisively against Senator Obama mirrors the pattern of the last two months of the Democrat primary season.

When they do break, I believe they will add a net three plus points to our margins.

6.             I am becoming more and more convinced Senator Obama "gets what he gets in the tracking."

Typically a Republican candidate trails among African Americans on a survey by a margin of something like 78% to 14%.  As a firm, we consistently warn our clients that on Election Day, they will underperform their polling margins with African American voters.  If their tracking says 78% - 18%, they should expect to only carry 8% of the African American vote, as the Democrat candidate will typically carry more than 90% of the African American vote. 

Senator Obama's numbers are different than anything we have ever seen before among African Americans
In most polls, McCain is losing these African American voters by margins like 97% to 1%.

This means when you see Senator Obama's number in a survey, it already reflects his significant and full support among African American voters.

Functionally, this means the only undecided/refuse to respond voters are white and Latino.

So, in a state like Indiana where he has recently "led" Senator McCain, in most tracks, Senator Obama is at 46% to 47% of the vote.

I am becoming increasingly persuaded it will be very difficult for Senator Obama to perform much above his percentage of the vote in a state.  This puts any number of historically red states very much "in play" and MUCH more competitive than is generally believed by the media.  But critically, as Obama drops below 50% in other blue states, some of these states may also becoming back in play as well.

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Comments (61)

McCain can put out as many of these releases as he wants but that doesn't make it true. Lets say the numbers do tighten nationally and in battleground states by 3 points, who wins? Barack Obama.

"The race has moved significantly over the past week, closing to essentially tied on the last two-day roll."

What poll is he talking about?

"But critically, as Obama drops below 50% in other blue states, some of these states may also becoming back in play as well."

Which blue states is he talking about?

This is confusing and I have to say that being able to identify Joe the Plumber is not exactly a positive.

I think that if this is true, they would not be in North Carolina right now.

Re: But critically, as Obama drops below 50% in other blue states, some of these states may also becoming back in play as well.

What are these people smoking? I can find only one blue state (RI) where Obama is polling under 50%, and the most recent polls there date from four weeks ago, and McCain was below 30%.
In every other Gore/Kerry state Obama is over 50%. He is also over 50% in OH, VA and CO.
I know they are trying to keep up morale, but they are pulling numbers right out of fantasy land.
Moroever their hope that a huge undecided turnout will help them is misplaced. They are not incorrect that a lot of those people have misgivings about Obama-- but they also have huge misgivings about McCain and have come to blame the GOP for the current state of the country.
I know people like this. They won't be voting for Obama-- but hell will freeze over before they vote for McCain. Their votes will go to minor party candidates or "None of the Above" by not voting at all in the presidential race.

If the campaign was really this confident, they wouldn't release the info.

I don't blame them for trying. If they want to believe that the redder tossup states - NC, IN, MO - will stay in their column, fine. But when they say that "as Obama drops below 50% in other blue states, some of these states may also becoming back in play as well," they're reaching.

Obama's RCP averages for a few key states are as follows:
PA: 52.0
CO: 51.5
VA: 51.3
OH: 49.8
NV: 49.2
FL: 48.4

The top 3 will not drop below 50 before next Tuesday. If he wins those 3 and loses the bottom 3, he wins the election.

Bottom line: the only way McCain wins is if the polls are systematically wrong.

Okay, here's what I notice:

1) "Walmart women." Mark Penn found a job!

2) Use of names, not counting headers
McCain: 4
Palin: 0 (Who?)
Joe the Plumber: 2
Obama: 19
Biden: 2
Just in case anyone wondered who the campaign was about. When your closing argument is all about your opponent, you ain't got much.

3) "But critically, as Obama drops below 50% in other blue states, some of these states may also becoming back in play as well."
Wild, man, wild. They have to say it, though. I almost wish someone would just proclaim "McCain is screwed; try to save the Senate!!!"

Undecided voters are useless at this point. Obama already has enough people in his column to put him over the top. Now we're just talking the difference between a 52-48 Obama win and a 55-45 Obama win.

"My own view ... and our own weights in our surveys ... reflect a belief that African American turn-out will be at historic levels, there will be a significant boost with voters 18 to 29 years old, yet the overall high level of turn-out will begin to mute the increase in the percentage these sub-groups represent in the overall electorate."

This also does not make any sense. If blacks turnout at higher numbers than normal, how on earth will they not increase their percentage of the electorate?

In GA -- blacks have increased their percentage by 11%! In North Carolina, by 2. It seems like black numbers will go up.

What keeps me up at night:

1. Pennsylvania race-based voting
2. Virginia race-based voting
3. Obama's tendency to finish quietly
4. The risk of over-reach tomorrow night -- which campaign will we see in that half hour show? The Berlin speech/Obama seal/Iowa parting of waters, or the solid masterpiece the rest of the campaign has been?
5. The McCain campaign's ability to win the news cycle. They've had a good couple of days. It's about news cycles now, not strategy. There's not enough time left for grand strategy.
6. Drudge. See #5.

What keeps me sleeping at night:
1. Obama's turnout machine -- and even more, his relative advantage given McCain's weakness here (e.g. compared to Bush 04)
2. The spectacular Obama campaign (excepting the above examples)
3. The Palin-McCain battle -- are you kidding me? Amateur hour.
4. Obama at over 50% RCP in enough battlegrounds to win solidly.
5. The crappy economy (which also keeps me and everyone else up at night -- I guess that's why it's in Obama's favor). The political scientists care about nothing else when predicting elections.

Ugh, I posted something similar on Ben Smith's site, but it hasn't appeared yet. McInturff is blowing smoke.

Survey USA has McCain getting 22% of the black vote in Florida (?!), 12% in OH, 11% in VA, 8% in MO. If you believe he'll get 95%, which is what Mitt Romney got from Mormons in the primaries, and Obama got towards the end of the primaries, there's still some room to grow.

McInturff also appears to be basing his numbers on non-Presidential races, which have different information levels and different dynamics.

The Pew numbers suggest that the undecideds are more female (advantage: Obama), older (McCain), less affluent (Obama), less churchgoing (Obama), and probably a bit less educated (McCain). In addition they say that 8%+-5 of the undecideds are African American, compared to about 12-13% of the electorate as a whole.

Given the modest discrepancy between state polling and national polling, I'm not sure what's happening. Usually the state polls trail the national polls, so we perhaps we should see some polls soon that show tightening. Or, there is also tightening in blue states, as Republicans come home, and that the difference is Blue state Republicans are not bombarded with Obama messages either on the ground or the air.

This release is ridiculous. Every main point can be refuted by substantial evidence.
1. According to 538, Pollster and RCP there has been no shift in battleground states. In fact if there has been a shift its the southern states tightening, as Marc stated.
2. As #1 there is no tightening and McCain has been running on Obama's tax record and experience for quite awhile now. I am sick and tired of hearing about Joe the Plumber. No one cares about Joe the Plumber. Everyone cares about themselves not Joe, who may or may not make 250,000 in his yet to be purchased business.
3. I'm glad to see McCain point out that a majority of voters view Obama as very liberal and still vote for him.
4. Yes turn out is up which will only help Obama. Turnout will be up in all demographics which will help Obama much more then McCain as more minorities vote, not just African Americans.
5. This is just illogical. They have no way of knowing what these voters are thinking or even if they will vote. Plus they acknowledge that Obama will have more advertising but then comment that it will hurt him?
6. Even the fact that they are using Indiana as a example already means they lost. Indiana has always been a red state, if McCain loses Indiana it will be nearly impossible to win.

Dan: I think #3 is a bit of a myth. Though he did "finish quietly" in New Hampshire, Ohio, and Texas, he did better than polls predicted in, for example, Iowa, Missouri, Wisconsin, North Carolina, and Indiana. I believe fivethirtyeight looked at this point and determined that, especially in the south, Obama drastically outperformed the polls - which could yield good results in GA, NC, VA.

Hope that helps you sleep 1/6 easier...

It sounds like whistling past the graveyard to me.

My favorite part is the "net three plus points" they'll get from the 8% undecided/refuse to respond voters, the ones who are "older, downscale, more rural, and certainly more economically stressed."

Take Karl Rove's map, knock three points off Obama's lead in every state, and Obama's still got 306 electoral votes.

My second favorite is "as Obama drops below 50% in other blue states." Which blue states? Got any examples? Didn't think so.

It's whistling.

Here's the simple analysis.

If they do pull a net 3% from undecideds they can win where they're not over 3% behind.

So in their best case scenario, they lose in a landslide.

Someone answer me this please:

If the McCain camp truly had confidence in this scenario, why would they release it?

Why not keep it confidential?

My take is they have huge morale problems.

The psycological affect of such shifts in the polls, if true, has been accomplished via fear mongering. Sadly the replublicans are fear mongers that use racist undertones in their rallies. Most moderates would never reward such unAmerican behavior by voting for McCain Palin. They will go down in history as running the worst campaign ever.

Internal poll memos as press releases? That is weird.

A couple of things strike me here:

1. This has been the week where "Joe the Plumber" has literally become a household name. An astounding 59% of voters in these battleground states have heard "a lot" about this story, 83% have heard "a lot" or "some" about this episode.

Nothing is said about what those voters think about Joe the Plumber, or whether voters are becoming more receptive to the Republican message on taxes. Silence speaks louder than words here -- if they could produce numbers showing that Joe the Plumber was actually swinging votes (as opposed to achieving high name recognition), they'd say so.

2. I am becoming increasingly persuaded it will be very difficult for Senator Obama to perform much above his percentage of the vote in a state. This puts any number of historically red states very much "in play" and MUCH more competitive than is generally believed by the media. But critically, as Obama drops below 50% in other blue states, some of these states may also becoming back in play as well.

The email cites Indiana as a red state which is, by implication, very much "in play" at this time. That should leave about ten other red states also in play, if the public polling is to be believed (IA, NM, CO, VA, NV, OH, FL, NC and MO are all better red states for Obama at this point). Beyond that, they're saying that any number of red states are MUCH more competitive than the media thinks -- and the media thinks that all of these states are competitive. So what else is competitive? GA? AZ? MT, ND? WV? Then, as others have noticed, no mention of which particular blue states they think are competitive...

Short version: this reads like an attempt to put a brave face on a pretty bad situation.

Let's just assume, for the sake of argument, that Obama's AA support is locked in, and that AA turnout levels are accurately projected in polling.

Does anyone really think McCain's campaign is in position to carry more than 60% of the undecided vote in the best scenarios for them?

Obama has a significant lead - this pollster's analysis does not map out a path to victory, it's just an exercise in navel gazing.

“I write "seems to" because there's nothing distinguishing his movement from natural noise at this point. Polling averages also seem to be steady.”

Depends on what the meaning of “natural noise” is. There is this thing called trend. You can see one right here:
www.gallup.com/poll/111568/Gallup-Daily-Presidential-Race-Narrows-Slightly.aspx

Also taking a closer look at the polls can provide some incite into just how accurate they might be. Take the big ten battle ground polls. Here is IN:
38.7% mcain
47.4% obama

Party ID
33% republican
31.3% democrat
www.bigtenpoll.org/results20081023/doc/Indiana.pdf

cnn's 2004 party ID exit poll for IN:
46% republican
32% democrat
www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/IN/P/00/

Sure bush destroyed the repub party but the voter ID is way outa whack in the big ten poll. A 12% difference in party ID? Color me doubtful.

Try SURVEYUSA and you get the same whacked voter ID percentages. It's possible, but there could be some very, very disappointed members of the "well educated" "creative" class on nov. 5.

Is this THE math to which Rove alluded just before the midterms? Can't argue with that, then.

Reality just called. It wanted to point out that this has been over for at least a month.

I am going to keep this trash just to be reminded, after McCain runs away with this election, of how foolish you little people really are. You guys really are stupid. I mean REAL stupid. Thanks for the memories!

I am going to keep this trash just to be reminded, after McCain runs away with this election, of how foolish you little people really are. You guys really are stupid. I mean REAL stupid. Thanks for the memories!
Your mother said to turn off the computer and go to bed.

If the McCain camp truly had confidence in this scenario, why would they release it?

To play the media, of course.

There's a feedback loop: stories about McCain losing make swing voters less likely to vote McCain. Why vote for the loser?

Thus, McCain 2008 wants news stories about "coming from behind" and "momentum" and suchlike, to change the narrative and encourage voters to go with the new flow.

Soffitrat writes: "I am going to keep this trash just to be reminded, after McCain runs away with this election, of how foolish you little people really are."

It's amazing how you can type considering the present location of your head.

It's an interesting memo, not born out by any publicly available facts, but possible since I have no doubt that they do touch more voters than any public polling organization.

It is interesting to look at a few actions that make me tend to think that it is VERY massaged for public release.

First, if any of these trends held out, the RNC and McCain would not be doing TV buys in Montana.

Or in West Virginia.

And you sort of have to believe that a whole slew of recent public polls are wrong.

Then there is how other candidates from his own party are treating him. First, Dole. Dole skipped McCain's Cumberland appearance. That's an interesting data point. Seems wildly unlikely, if he was trending up.

Then Crist extends early voting hours? Now WHO is Crist courting with that move? It's sure not McCain. And what does that say?


Still, lots to worry about in that memo, if you are an Obama supporter.

Critical for republicans not too become too demoralized, otherwise a landslide sweeps over the senate and house, too. McCain owes these token rallying points to the party at least given the damagecincurred by the presidential campaign (not that it's all his fault, but he will shoulder the blame).

McCain is getting a lot of practice in telling lies.
Now he's lying to his own campaign staff about the fact that he's losing. There's no way he can win without massive election fraud, and that seems fairly unlikely given that it's anticipated and under heavy scrutiny.

Blue states with Obama under 50% and now in play? NH and PA, according to McCain's internals.

Want real proof of where the race is at? Look at all the Repub pols who are avoiding McCain/Palin. The governors of Florida and Indiana want nothing to do with them--neither does Sen. Dole. Joe Lieberman is getting all wishy-washy, and Romney basically agreed that Obama would win. Etc. etc.

If McCain had any kind of chance, wouldn't other pols be campaigning with him?


Going over the Memo Point by Point:

1) Based off the RCP average, Obama is at 50.5%, a statistically insignificant increase from 50.4% on both Saturday and Sunday. McCain has increased from 42.8 to 43.8 since Sunday, but that 1% increase is also statistically insignificant.

Also, all those groups the Memo suggests are moving towards McCain should be strong Republicans except the weak Democrats group. On that final note, 20% is about the average amount that a Republican can expect from weak or leaning Democrats in modern Presidential Elections. In other words, the memo expresses great excitement that they are doing about as well as Bob Dole was in 1996

2) As Alex states above, high recognition is a necessary, but not sufficient component, of an important issue. Just because a lot of people know of Joe the Plumber does not mean that it is a strength for the McCain campaign (in fact, other polling suggests that "JTP" is having either no effect or a neutral effect on the campaign). In fact, it probably is not an oversight that "JTP's" approval or popularity is not mentioned in this publicly released memo.

3) It is almost certain that a majority of people feel Obama is a liberal, and that he is both more liberal that past Democratic candidates as well as most people. However, what is telling here is what is not mentioned: Nothing about where people view Senator McCain. In the publicly released "Campaign Memo" a few months back, one of the selling points was how moderate McCain was viewed, that most people believed he was ideologically comparable with themselves. That is not mentioned here. One could argue that the Obama's message of "Same as Bush" has altered that perception to the extend that McCain is seen as far to the right (or farther) than Obama is to the left. Again, it is probably not an oversight this is not mentioned.

4) Most Political Science literature suggests that increased turnout does not have or would not have a major impact on elections since non-voters and voters are very similar to each other on politics. However, there is a very slight Democratic bias in non-voters, enough to move an election decided by less than a percent. If turnout among those traditionally non-voters is that of voters, McCain is probably down an extra half-percent.

5) If 8% of people are undecided, and the McCain campaign feels that this group will add 3 points to their margin, then they expect to win undecideds 80-20. There is no evidence that suggests this will occur. Undecideds usually break evenly among both candidates, narrowly for the challenger, or narrowly for the "winner," but they never go by that 60-point amount. Or in other words, if a particular demographic was won by one candidate by 60 points, would they be considered undecided?

6) Let's take the memo at its word and conclude that American Americans have already decided and are overwhelmingly Democratic (as would be expected in the final result). In the Research 2000 Poll (which releases its internals) Hispanics and other ethnicities have a large amount of undecideds, while Whites have a much smaller number of undecideds. Obama is overwhelmingly winning non-White ethnicities. Even if these undecided groups break evenly, Obama will capture about 75% of the Hispanic Vote.

Or to couple with point #5, the McCain campaign expects to win 80% of undecideds, most of whom are part of a demographic Obama is winning 8 to 1. There's no logical consistency or basis in scientific research to make that claim.

As has been mentioned before, the memo does not name any "blue states" that Obama is falling under 50% in. Based off the available campaign expenditure information, these states appear to not exist, since combined McCain-RNC ad expenditures declined in every Kerry state last week. If I were to guess, they're hoping that Pennsylvania comes back to them (though I wouldn't bet my campaign on trying to outhustle Ed Rendell).

However, note the example they give: Indiana. A state that has gone Republican in the last 10 elections. A state that, if it goes Democratic, almost certainly mans Ohio and Pennsylvania are blue (and under no plausible situation can those two go blue and McCain wins). If they're hoping on keeping Obama at 46% in Indiana, they're in more trouble than anyone realizes.

The interesting note, that a lot of Red states are in play, on the surface is not important: We know that historic "red states" like Indiana, Virginia, North Carolina, and Colorado are in play, as well as double Bush states like Ohio, Missouri, Florida, and Nevada. But with the recent expenditures in Montana and West Virginia by McCain and the RNC, the three consecutive polls showing North Dakota in play, the absurdly high African-American turnout in Georgia, and the revelation that McCain can't close Arizona, it may be that this little side note is actually the most important concept that comes out of what is basically a public Pep Talk.

Blue states with Obama under 50% and now in play? NH and PA, according to McCain's internals.

And you have access to McCain's internals ... how? X-ray vision? Telepathy? Trolling?


"Want real proof of where the race is at? Look at all the Repub pols who are avoiding McCain/Palin. The governors of Florida and Indiana want nothing to do with them...

Posted by klem"

Yeah I see what you mean. Except for this:

Crist predicts McCain win
October 28, 2008
TALLAHASSEE -- Downplaying superior Democratic registration and early voting turnout, Gov. Charlie Crist continued to cheerlead today for Republican presidential nominee John McCain.
...
McCain will win the day if he continues to stump here, Crist said. The Arizona senator appears in Sarasota on Thursday.

"As long as he continues to step on the gas the way he's been, he's going to take Florida," Crist said.
www.pnj.com/article/20081028/NEWS01/81028009

And of course Daniels wants to get as far away as possible. Like in the parking lot of the Palin rally:

"I'm going by (the Palin rally.) I've got another event scheduled at the same time, but it is close by, so I'm going to go by and spend as long as I can there and hang out in the parking lot and spend some time with the folks standing in line or patiently waiting to get in," Daniels said. "I'm not speaking at the rally, no."

Daniels said that he wasn't being critical of the campaign of Republican presidential Sen. John McCain, of whom Daniels was an early supporter. But, he said, "when they only give us 48 hours' notice ... we plan a little further out than that. I've not been willing to cancel on people who have made plans in preparation for our coming."
www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081028/NEWS0502/810280411

Follow the money...

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/28/195458/51/608/645181

McCain is down 40% in OH and PA - pretty much in line with everywhere. Seems he's running out of money.

The RNC has kicked in 10% or so more in theses states. Nice but not much.

McCain is way up in IN and VA. VA makes some sense. IN has got to hurt.

The RNC is way up in CO, FL, MO, NC and VA.

If I were guessing, I would guess that the RNC has essentially cut McCain loose and is firewalling in the deep red states.

And this memo is basically trying to draw the RNC back into the battleground states. Or, if you want to be cynical about it, McCain's staffers are trying to preemptively spread the blame to the RNC for their "short-sighted pullout from the battleground states".

If they really believed what they are stating, they wouldn't release the info. It gives the Obama campaign a chance to rile up its base to GOTV even more. The Obama campaign's main fear right now is complacency. This memo will give them some ammunition for a pep talk to the GOTV team.

This memo, if anything, tells me things are pretty bleak for McCain.

So basically the argument is that if McCain gets close to 100% of the undecided vote and their turnout is close to 100%, then he's not that far behind in the battleground states.

Is that impossible to achieve? No, but that's not the most impressive rallying cry ever. The real reason I don't believe these numbers though is that the McCain camp isn't acting like people who are expecting to win.

This coincides nicely with Drudge's headline spouting the EV1 Gallup Tracker. It's a coordinated messaging strategy to get some momentum in the press about tightening polls, and a surging McCain. It's all about trying to give his flimsy argument some credibility in the public eye.

That's not to say it might not work, but if it were working, where is Drudge's early-release Zogby poll? My guess in the huge McCain Saturday dropped off, and McCain backed off Obama in the Zogby, so Gallup had to fill in.

Right now, for McCain, it's all about keepign their base strong, so they have a shot at Florida, and Ohio, and Missouri, and maybe Colorado.

I do agree, this is classic poker: feign strength when weak, feign weakness when strong. They're feigning strength here, and they released this to try to get some artificial momentum.

I too am kept up at night by Obama's tendency to appear to finish weak. There are parallels between Clinton going Populist in Appalachia at the end of the primaries, and McCain going Joe-The-Plumerist at the end of this campaign. That's what scares me, because Clinton did finish strong, even if it's because Obama let her.

I'd like to see him step on their necks.

I do hope tomorrow night doesn't come off as pompous. It's also going to give the Republicans more crap to bitch and whine about.

I dunno, it's all freaking crazy right now. We've got 6 days left, and it's going to be the most intense six days ever. Ugh.

zzyzx writes: "So basically the argument is that if McCain gets close to 100% of the undecided vote and their turnout is close to 100%, then he's not that far behind in the battleground states.

Is that impossible to achieve? No, but that's not the most impressive rallying cry ever."

That's an understatement. It's like saying that a baseball team down by 12 games with 13 games to play still has a chance. It does, but it's a chance mostly based on the plane carrying the other team crashing.

Gobbledygook as its finest! McCain's delusional pollster is doing his best to keep the Republican base motivated to vote. Their concern is these voters will stay home and not vote as Obama's higher polling numbers are a demotivator to these people. At this point we can set aside the national poll numbers, which vary due to different weightings, and focus on the individual state numbers as the Electoral College (EC) 270 is the objective. The EC numbers are very favorable for Obama.

"Also, our internal polling is going to bring us a pony."

I agree with some others above who said that releasing this "internal" memo is an attempt to keep up Republican morale.

This ties in with a pet theory of mine, that there are a decent number of soft McCain supporters who might actually flip to Obama if they think he is certain to win. These would be people who prefer McCain on paper but also really like Obama on an emotional level. I can see there being a lot of people who would vote McCain if it "mattered", but would otherwise take the chance to be part of Obama's history-making.

I have no secret internal polling to support this hunch, but if there's an Obama landslide I think that will be a factor.

That pseudo-rationale was like milking a bull.

On NC, since that thread lacked comments: now that Dole is running 'vote for me to keep the Dems from winning everything', my guess is that the non-appearance was by mutual consent.

this release is a mess. the more r's play on d's fears of some last minute r surge the more the d's redouble their gotv efforts. the r impulse to never be wrong to never admit mistakes will cost them. a 4 point spread? advantage obama.

Bill McInturff uses lots of scare quotes, which I think is a subliminal effort to scare voters. This is as opposed to their non-subliminal efforts to scare voters, i.e. their ads.

Scare quotes, for those of you unaccustomed to the jargon, are "quotation marks" used around words to indicate the speaker or writer believes those words somehow mean something different from what they normally do.

Like how John McCain used his fingers to indicate quote marks when he talked about "the health of the mother" as a late abortion exception. He didn't really believe there was such a thing as an exception for the health of the mother.

Nate over at 538 has already issued a post debunking the hypothesis advanced in McCain's all too predictable pollster's analysis. It appears that McCain's pollster's analysis is too backwards looking, depending on the state of the race from three weeks ago to reach its conclusion. Recent polling shows that the untapped white man in rural areas undecided appears in the same ratio of undecideds as African Americans and Hispanics, meaning this one is going to be a wash or at best McCain would pick up 1 point, assuming these "reluctant" voters actually show up to vote (which is itself a big if not really addressed by the pollster, the one to ten scale answer notwithstanding).

The dying conservative movement has generated so many laughs for me, I wish I could witness more pain from the GOP faithful. This release is about as funny as it gets! The only thing that will help conservatives in this election is prayer. All the hillbillies, hicks, rednecks, neocons, and evangelicals should just pray their butts off. If god truly loves them, he'll elect McCain. What if god lets Obama win? Does that mean god loves Obama more?

Looks like a promo piece for McCain's talking points...I'm surprised they did not resort to their McCarthy-ism tactics and call Obama a socialist or a communist in the piece? McCain/Palin's voice of dividing the nation is disturbing. They are trying to divide even in email's to reporters.

I've got to agree with what Malcom said earlier about the McCain campaign resorting to not only the Red Scare card, but also the racial subtext card as their final argument. The message they are sending is this:

Not only is Obama probably a Muslim terrorist, but as any Joe can prove he's a commie like Chairman Mao. And by the way, he's gonna take every last dollar from hard-working white people and give it all to lazy black people.

That's McCain's closing argument---in other words, basically the same poisonous scare-mongering messages the Republicans have repeated in every presidential election going back to Nixon. This message is at the heart of why America is so divided, so short of its potential, and so increasingly out of touch with the very world that is lead by us, and still needs to be lead by us. It's time to sweep out this betrayal of America's ideals being sold by Republicans for two generations now with a mandate for real change!

All this shows is that McCain's pollster lies and spews bullshit just like every other member of the McCain campaign. I'll trust the public pollsters especially those that release internals over a self-interested description of McCain internal polls.

Agree with Tom. This memo will help Obama because of those like me who are terrified that McCain might catch up. No complacency here.

Re Crist in Florida: The Republican consensus seems to be that opening the polls for 4 more hours each day is a significant boost to the Democrats. Crist said it wasn't about politics, but about the sacred right to vote. He's a commendable politician if that's so. But he may be thumbing his nose at McCain in a way that everyone understands while he makes nice verbally.

Try to apply whatever LOGIC you have..! I am sure you will end up saying Obama wins.
- McCain in his 70s would not be (My Hero) for most American just to lead the country.
- As a Republican, McCain is not able to convince Americans that he is not taking the same line of policies taken in every subject matter.
- McCain is trying to GAMBLE and distribute LOTTO for Americans on their Health insurance which is NOT good thing to Gamble with.
- Obama's National awarness is far far better than that of McCain's
- Obama's care and interest for majority of Americans with limited income has already ended up the vote with or without the 10% of Americans who are rich and tend to fake the polls by the media they control.
- Finally, On Tuesday, Obama wins 57% to 64%.

They're tightening alright, and McCain's socialism gambit is firing up Republican voters and getting him slightly more of the independents than he ought to.

I'm waiting for the Obama campaign to push back and point out that what McCain is calling "socialism" is in fact the part of Clintonomics that actually worked. I've been waiting for more than a week. I don't know what they're thinking. But what I'm thinking is that it is explicitly the "scary" card and implicitly sets him apart from Bush and the bank bailout. And that's a powerful synergy and needs to be stopped.

Marc correctly hones in on the key paragraph:

"There is more elasticity in this campaign than is imagined."

But then:

"will add a net three plus points to our margins."

So the McCain campaign perceives 3-4 pts of elasticity. But, Hello(!?) the margin of error is 3-4pts.

- Finally, On Tuesday, Obama wins 57% to 64%.

Now that would be an impressive turnout!

My concern is that the Repugnicans will get this election close enough to steal in enough swing states to get McSame in on a fraudulent vote count. And that the water-carrying mainstream media will attribute the hinky results and blatent discrepency with the polls to the "Bradley Effect" or some such nonsense, when the reality will be that they did it again with plain old-fashioned election fraud.

I see you all have not lost your fight :

GOOD! Because we have a lot to do. You! (the American people) are going to have to take back control of your elected government at every level, and set your government back on the right path of service to you, and the greater good of the World.

Barack Obama and the democrats are your best hope of doing that now. Tell your family, friends, and everyone you know to support them as best they can. Because the Bush McCain vote fraud, vote cheating, vote buying, vote manipulation machine is already hard at work to cheat you again. And we all know what a disaster that has been the past 8 years of Bush McCain.

Barack Obama and the democrats will need all the power you can give them at every level of government (Federal, State, County, and local City elected governments). Obama and the democrats will have an enormous mess to fix for the American people, and the rest of the World. A mess caused by the corrupt Bush McCain administration.

You see, starting back in 2000, and before 911, it was mostly the Republican governors, Republican legislatures, and county elected Republican officials that conspired with the corrupt Bush McCain administration to raise college, and university tuitions by the fastest, and highest rate increases in American history. Some state tuitions went up by as much as a WHOPPING! 30% in one year.

The reason the Bush McCain administration did this was to force struggling working class kids into the military to pay for the sudden jump in tuition. Which was forced on them by the corrupt Bush McCain administration, and their corrupt Republican Governors, and republican controlled state legislatures.

See, Bush McCain had plans to get us into all these immoral, foolish, criminal, and unnecessary wars from the start. So they could use these wars to seize power, and later to get reelected. But, for their evil plan to work they needed more volunteer soldiers struggling to pay for an education whose blood they could spill to help them seize more power. Remember Bush McCain's "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!" theatrics.

The exploitation, and lost lives of these finest Americans is despicable, disgusting, immoral, corrupt and criminal. And it makes me SICK, and ANGRY!

You will have to vote for Obama, and the democrats in overwhelming numbers to overcome the Bush McCain vote fraud machine. Vote early if you can. Then help your fellow Americans cast their votes now, and on through election day. Vote for Obama, and the democrats like your life, and the lives of your loved ones depends on it. Because it does. You will not survive 4 more years of "Let Them Eat Cake" Bush McCain, and their republican allies.

Just look at the mess we have now.

You can fix this mess with your votes for Obama, and the democrats. And REMEMBER, no matter which of us may stumble or fall, the rest of you must continue to surge forward for Barack Obama, and the democrats, and for your-selves most of all. The children, and the World are counting on us.

It's in your hands now. And I know you will get it done.

God bless all of you.


JACK SMITH - WORKING CLASS... :-)

Sounds like they're just telling McCain whatever they think he (&/or the average soft-GOP voter) wants to hear. All the post-debate polls of undecideds have had about a 2-to-1 advantage for Obama, & election-day will likely be similar.

A 3-point-jump? That still won't even bring him close to a win. The Republicans need more like a 12-point-jump at this point.

I'm amazed that McCain hasn't gone off his meds & flown into one of his patented rages yet - but even if he somehow makes it through the next 4 days, I think election-night could be just the right time for the old drama-queen to put on his ugly face.

I've seen indications from McCain that he IS basically running to prop up the GOP's weak Senate & House prospects now, in the face of a truly historic wipeout (some insiders are already using the past-tense when discussing this year's campaign) ... they're running to place or show, not to win the horse-race.

The American people love this country and I have no doubt that they will not turn our national security and prosperity intersts over to a Marxist movement led by a contrived socialist sophomore.

They said Reagan couldn't win.

In 2004, the MSM declared Bush dead. If these same folks could deliver Bush a victory in '04, then have faith that the analysts who created this memo know a little more than the propogandist, Obama smear teams that fill these blogs. Karl Rove is the prince of darkness. His protege will be equally effective. Oh, wait, maybe the Obomorons on this post really know more than McCain's strategists...

Have pride in preserving our democracy. Hold your nose and vote for Mccain. These losers can go back to trying to get dates w/the Code Pink freaks in Frisco.

"Typical white person," "God Damn America," "weather underground," "unrepentant terrorist," "spread the wealth," "Proud of America for the FIRST time in my adult life," "Rezko slumlord kickbacks," "...For white people - don't feel bad. Whatever you do to 'em, they deserve it. God wants you to do it. And, that's whether you cut off the nose, cut off the ears. Take flesh out of their body. -Don't worry, GOOOOD wants you to do that. (Youtube: search terms, Al-Mansoor, Obama" - This is the man who helped fund Obama's education at Harvard)...not true? Why doesn't Obama release any of the information about how he paid for law school? He was never a good student (ELECTED president of law review - another popularity contest).

If these are not his friends and associations, then who the hell are his friends and associates? They hide all associations/records from Columbia, Harvard Law, Legal Work, Lecturing at Law School (never published a single work)...WHY is that?

Actually, it doesn't matter why. McCain will reign. See you in '12 when Sarah takes the nomination and runs for president as a true Republican. Wink, wink.

Now is the time for Mr McCain to support Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden. That is patriotic.
Let's be brave. Let's be determined to make Mr. Obama the new energenic capable leader in the stormy economic crisis.May God bless Mr. Obama and America.