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For Today, One Angry Left

18 Nov 2008 01:52 pm

Sen. and chairman Joe Lieberman:

"I was pleased with the discussion we had at the Democratic Party caucus this morning.  There was a very good and worthwhile exchange of views and there was a productive outcome.  I want to thank Senator Reid for his wise and valued leadership on this matter. I look forward to continuing to chair the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee and working to ensure our country remains safe and secure.

"The election is now over and we have a new President-elect - it is imperative that we put politics aside and address the challenges facing our country.  I look forward to working with President Obama, and with my colleagues from both parties to restore our economic prosperity, reform our healthcare system, protect the environment, keep our country safe, and on many others issues.  Let us turn the page, honoring our differences and moving forward together."

Today will be the exception.

The left will be vocal and angry.

By and large, they aren't going to blame Obama; more on that later.

They're going to blame the Senate as an institution and the press. . 

One reader implied in an e-mail that if the press had only covered the story better, than decision-makers would have better context within which to punish Lieberman; basically, the press is at fault for not educating the American people well enough about Lieberman's political sins which would have led to (>>) more pressure on the Senate which would have led to (>>) more pressure on Obama and Harry Reid which might have yielded (>>) a different vote. Here is the sentence from that reader: "Perhaps if people were actually informed by the media in detail of what Lieberman has said and did, there might have been more pressure to have him removed."

What's the bill of particulars here? What were Joe Lieberman's sins? So far as I can gather - and this hunter-gatherer verb is brought to you by years of talking to liberals and progressives, Mr. Lieberman:

... undercut the Democratic Party at critical junctures.  

... undercut the Democratic Party's national security messaging efforts at critical junctures, reinforcing the views of independents that Democrats were weak, or transiently concerned with the subject, or unserious.

... supported the Iraq War, the Surge, President Bush at all turns.

... endorsed John McCain and spoke at the Republican convention. Criticized Obama disrespectfully.

... is seen as a sanctimonious creature who leeches; he takes the benefit of communion with the Democratic Party without performing the rituals.

... is unrepentant.

It's easy to see why Democrats resort to the fricative when pronouncing his name.  

And were Senate Democrats in a retributive mood, it's easy to imagine how these sins would become venal and prohibitively grave, and bye-bye- Joe. Kicking Lieberman out of his job would have made Democrats feel good about being Democrats. It would encourage party loyalty, and what political scientists call the solidary benefits of political party membership.  It would discourage those who bucked the party line.

But Senate Democrats are in a governing mood. Winning by seven points nationally and having large majorities in both chambers can do that to a party. It's going to be easier, relative to punishing Lieberman (and therefore pushing him to the Republican Party), to send progressive legislation to the President. They'll need him on filibuster breaking votes. His impact on foreign policy will be minimal.  Some Senators have taken to the microphones to brag about the spirit of reconciliation that pervades the party.  Maybe. But the Democrats today have sent the message that they favor convenience over party; expediency over parochialism. Make no mistake: keeping Lieberman where he was the expedient decision here.

Comments (35)

F*CK LIEberman. He is a sanctimonious prick.

There. I feel better.

I still hate him.


while I would have voted to kick him out, I don't particularly care that the Senate didn't. And, I don't see it as the death knell of the Obama Administration, the Democratic Party, or a progressive agenda.

OK. Be mad. Curse everyone you want to curse, write to the DNCC to get back every penny you ever donated, and then....

get over it, and let's move on.

Lieberman is just not worth all the invective and energy. There is lots of work to do that IS worth the energy. Let's do it.

yikes.

"Reporters, and I can't exempt myself from this, have been salivating somewhat voyueristically for a round of public fighting between the Left, broadly represented by the Netroots, and the Obama transition entity."

I think you need to explain this comment, Marc. Are you suggesting that the DC press corps (yourself included) actually wants to create a rift between Obama and the "Left"? And could this desire be affecting the way in which you report events - perhaps creating drama where none exists? And why is desire to sow discord focused exclusively on Democrats, when it would actually be easier (not to mention more honest) to focus on the drama and infighting within the Republican party right now?

I agree, Fuck Lieberman!

With that said, as a progressive, I do see the upsides that this forgiveness comes with, even If I do think they're hastily hopeful.

There's also no reason why Obama can't go to Congressional dems later down the line and take away his chairmanship anyways. If anything, Obama's shot across Liebermans bow.... Play nice with us from now on, or else.

That said, Harry Reid sill needs to go.

At the end of the day; Lieberman is not someone to trust and he's been given the chairmanship of a powerful committee. That's not good for Barack Obama and it's not good for democrats who have given Lieberman leverage to aide Republicans if his priorities aren't met.

Your expediency argument is only true if Lieberman can actually be trusted to provide that valuable 60th vote. After all the things he's done, why should anyone believe that he can be trusted?

My prediction - he screws the Democrats from day one of the Obama administration. My bet is a "f**k you" vote from Lieberman on the auto bailout. His excuse?

"I'm voting my conscience on this issue that is obviously affecting a lot of Americans. I'm putting my country first before my party".

We should all be counting the number of days until Senator Lieberman "votes his conscience" and "puts country first".

That's my biggest problem with Lieberman. I don't care about the revenge aspect, I just think this is a fundamentally dishonest person that cannot be trusted.

That damned Lieberman!

That felt pretty good.

But it really does feel better to make mature decisions that demonstrate the true leadership that it takes to govern.

I'm sure the NetRoots will be up in arms. But the truth is that Sen. Reid avoided a petty fight and that the Senate Democrats aren't going to give Lieberman an ounce of power.

"There's also no reason why Obama can't go to Congressional dems later down the line and take away his chairmanship anyways."

I keep seeing this argument popping up in defense of keeping Lieberman. Marc, is it really that easy to take away committee chairmanship?

The argument as framed by most in the mainstream media is whether Lieberman should be "punished" since he's been "bad."

The issue is whether he can be trusted, and he has done nothing, including his Vice-Presidential run, to lead anyone except John McCain to believe he can be trusted.

The grownups are taking charge. That's change I can believe in!

Your summary of the anti-Lieberman arguments omits the specific complaints about his tenure as chair of the Homeland Security and Government Oversight committee in 2006-08, such as that he declined further investigation of the Katrina debacle. Someone on one of the major left blogs also pointed out that his committee manages DC, which voted overwhelmingly for Obama.

Beyond the competence argument (that he failed to oversee the Bush administration) there is the more speculative worry that he might use the committee to hamper Obama's administration.

Obama comes off ambiguously--did he twist arms for this? Express a mild preference? Leave it the Senate?

The Senate Dems come off as weak. Is there anything a Senator can do to harm the party--and Joe campaigned for Republican Coleman, against Franken, in addition to being no help to any Democrat, anywhere--that would engender actual consequences? There is a difference between consequences and punitive retribution. This just sends the message "Kick us, and we'll apologize for getting in your way. And sincerely be surprised when you then kick us again."

Marc, is it really that easy to take away committee chairmanship?
I wonder this too. Not to mention that the optics of taking the chairmanship when he actually uses the committee to do something are horrible, as opposed to a clean cut right now, untied to any particular vote or investigation.

I still think the countdown to "Dems furious at Lieberman" headlines will be much quicker than the one to "Dems rejoice at critical Lieberman-enabled legislative victory." But maybe.

"they'll need him on filibuster votes"

except that Joe won't be vote with the dems to block filibusters because Holy Joe said, on election day, that he "fears for the survival of our country" if the democrats get 60 votes in the senate.

So if he fears for the survival of our country if dems get 60 votes, he's certainly NOT going to be one of those 60 votes, is he?

Yes it can be argued that this was the right thing, the adult thing, to do but frankly it would be a lot easier to swallow if the democratic campaign committees hadn't spent the last few years begging for donations on the basis of party loyalty. So maybe it's petty of me, but I think this is the last year I'll be donating time and/or money to democrats outside of Illinois.

"Not to mention that the optics of taking the chairmanship when he actually uses the committee to do something are horrible, as opposed to a clean cut right now, untied to any particular vote or investigation."

Exactly. The optics would be similar to Nixon firing Cox the special prosecutor. Imagine the uproar.

I have a relly bad feeling about this. This is going to get real messy really fast.


I'm not familr with the details, but if Lieberman is really UNREPENTANT for his hateful attacks on Obama, I don't see what the Democrats gain by keeping him on.
If Lieberman is APOLOGETIC to some degree, then fine, he may be able to help pass Obama's legislation.
So far, I am not aware of anything that Lieberman has done to indicate that he regrets the hateful attacks that he initiated.
I'm all for reaching out to former enemies and working with others... but not when they're unrepentant.

He also campaigned against Democrats in at least two senate races this year.

People don't realize it, but Obama has screwed Lieberman.

I think of it this way.

Lieberman is like Ahmadinejad. Lieberan = rogue democrat in the way the way that Ahmadinejad = rogue world leader.

The Lieberman philosophy is that one neither talks nor deals with rogues.

But Obama showed mercy to the democratic rogue.

Obama met Lieberman's bellicosity in a Gandhi-esque manner...some may see that as weakness, but it is a actually a bold move from a position of strength.

Lieberman keeping a job is a phyrric victory. He's hated by dems still. If he starts to trash Obama again, he looks even worse than he did before the election. The only way he keeps his senate seat is to supoort Obama's agenda.

In short, Lieberman's independence has been cut off. He sold his soul for his gavel.

Obama wins. Liberals should not be upset. Though certainly pretending to be upset is a good move - our anger makes Obama look good, you know.

lol, All very good points RKA.

The usual suspects are ,of course, totally beside themselves with rage and anger. And these people are supposedly the peace loving followers of Gandhi.

I think this was just plain smart politics for Obmama. I said on another board it seems to me that Lieberman's balls were being held in a glass jar in Chicago and have now been lent back out with interest.

And all in a way that makes Obama looks wise and magnanimous.

It also further extends the olive branch he offered to McCain and Lindsay Graham. He's going to want and need some votes from them and others near the center right at key points.

Today I became an independent. Again.

Not saying that I'm ready to run out and vote for Republicans anytime soon. They've lost that privilege for awhile. But today, the Democrats reminded me of their flaws as a national party.

For those saying that if Lieberman doesn't play nice, Democrats can pull his Chairmanship, you really need to familiarize yourselves with Senate mechanics. Removing a sitting committee head requires a vote of the Senate, not just a caucus vote. This vote can be filibustered. Meaning that the person that Democrats just bent over backward for to possibly get 60 votes on the Senate floor would need to agree to vote against himself in order to remove him if he stabbed his party in the back again.

What a ridiculous situation.

This is an outrage, a travesty, and a disgrace.

Joe Lieberman is a cancer within the Senate.

The Democratic Party should have gotten rid of this traitor when it had the chance.

Nobody I've read has been blaming the press. We're blaming the Democrats. All of them. Less than two weeks after the election and one of the first things they do is piss us off.

And then they wonder why we don't keep the momentum going post-election. They abandon us first.

Bastards!

"They've lost that privilege for awhile. But today, the Democrats reminded me of their flaws as a national party."

That's right. The lack of partisan retribution is outrageous.

Lieberman's head should be on a pike outside the Senate office building.

That's it. I've had it.

Next time I vote for Nader!

That'll show 'em!

The Dems blew this after the 2006 election when they let Lieberman back into the caucus even though he ran against the Democratic nominee in his Senate race.

IMO, that was a far greater transgression than supporting McCain this year. When you run against the party's nominee, you can no longer claim any of the benefits of being a member of that party, like chairing a committee.

Of course, if they had kicked Lieberman out then, he could have caucused with the GOP, making the Senate 50-50 with Cheney the tie-breaker. Still, it would have been better optics to kick him out then, as opposed to now.

WTF Marc?

I haven't heard anyone blame "the press" for the Lieberman debacle.

And no one really blames Obama; he's the statesman now. To call for Holy Joe's ouster would be unseemly and unpresidential.

This one is all on the Senate democrats.

"That's right. The lack of partisan retribution is outrageous."

You know, it's really easy to make fun of people who wants Lieberman to face some consequences for his actions as some blood thirsty "usual suspects" braying for the traitor's blood. But Ah Yup, surely you can agree that there are other reasons why people would want to strip Lieberman from the Homeland Security chairmanship, right? His performance at that said job during the Bush administration, his general untrustworthiness etc etc.

This is Lieberman's greatest triump; he succeeded in framing the story as RETRIBUTION and REVENGE, rather than an evaluation of his job performance as a committee chairman and his actions during the presidential election. And the press is more than happy to buy into the "crazy, leftish bloggers and netroots braying for Lieberman's blood" meme. Marc even admitted he's been waiting for the Obama v/s netroots confrontation over Lieberman.

These days, calling for any consequence for Lieberman's actions will get you called the radical left, hysterical netroot bloggers etc etc. No wonder only the senators from Vermont are brave enough to call for his removal.


I said on another board it seems to me that Lieberman's balls were being held in a glass jar in Chicago and have now been lent back out with interest.

What leverage do the Dems think they have over Lieberman now? He was elected without their support; he owes them nothing.

I understand that Reid and the gang want to bury the hatchet and look to the future.

But the real question is: Will Lieberman bury the hatchet? Or will he use his committee perch to exact revenge against the Democrats he so reviles?

Add in that he ran against the Democrat in his race. That IMO should be enough for him to not get a committee chair. Lieberman does not have some inalienable right to a committee chair...and the caucus should be rewarding Democrats, not people they've known for years and don't want to push around.

Plus, from a Democratic perspective he would be a bad Homeland Security chair.

Maybe it's just me, but I think that the people insisting that this outcome is a win for Obama and Democrats, that somehow this means that Obama and the Democrats now own Lieberman's ass and can just order him around are being a little naive. As Oracle said, what leverage do they have left over Lieberman?

This reminds me what happened after 9/11, when Democrats are so worried about appearing unpatriotic, and so concerned about bipartisanship that they pretty much capitulated to Bush's every whim. This time, Democrats are again enamored by bipartisanship, but based on the "let's change how we do things" rhetorics.

The problem is not that we don't have bipartisanship; the problem is we have one political party that always back down, even when they are winning elections. And before Ah Yup can accuse me of being the hysterical "usual suspects", let me just clarify one thing - no, I'm not planning on switching party or voting for Ralph Nader.


As Oracle said, what leverage do they have left over Lieberman?

Apparently if he doesn't toe the line they will look at him in an exceptionally beady-eyed manner. That'll show him.

Lieberman did an excellent job of framing: As Peter says, this should have been about Lieberman's performance as committee chair (poor) and his actions on behalf of Democrats during the election (poor); instead it was all about whether the Dems would be bipartisan and hand Joe everything he ever dreamed of in return for a possible vote. It's not like the everything he wanted--a powerful chairmanship--has no consequences.

Forget balls in glass jars; someone check Lieberman's Senate office for a pony.

His sins? Just one, which Marc doesn't mention: using the committee to protect Bush from the Senate's oversight. Also called, not doing his job. So that's why he gets to keep it?

But here's betting that will change when Obama makes his first mistake, no matter how small. Suddenly the dormant committee will come alive and ride to the rescue of the Constitution.

It's not "grown-up" to let someone kick you in the teeth and then put your already toothless self in a position to get kicked again, it's stupid.

It's not "grown-up" to reward a person who held you and your agenda hostage while protecting and supporting the opposition's incompetence and corruption, it's stupid, and worse than stupid, it's morally corrupt and shows a disregard for the safety and welfare of the country.

One can never overestimate how ridiculous centrist Democrats can be and how weak they can make themselves look (and be) under cover of high-mindedness.

I think this act of conciliation by the Senate Dems was a big mistake.

Echoing PeterGuillam, Sarah, et al. -- this isn't just about him taking excessive shots at his party's nominee. It's a larger pattern of using schmoozing ability and connections to powerful organizations like AIPAC to shield himself from the effects of his laziness, incompetence, and parasitic behavior.

And now that they have let him keep his chairmanship, Senate Democrats are largely impotent in the event that Lieberman's current "gratitude" toward the President-Elect starts to ebb.

Never mind that he resembles Droopy Dog, he's the Democratic Party's abusive boyfriend. Stop taking him back!

have no doubt, Liebernman was rescued from the abyss because he might represent the vote that makes the number "60" in the Senate. The dems don't trust him or want him around but they know they might need him He can always be expelled later. It is payback time for the dems. That is why they are holding fast on the bailout of the "Big Three'. They want to save the UAW's sweetheart contracts as a payback for the major dollar contribution to Obama's campaign. If the tables were reversed and the bailout was to save Toyota, Honda and Mercedes (All US Carbuilders), how do you think the dems would vote.

"They want to save the UAW's sweetheart contracts as a payback for the major dollar contribution to Obama's campaign."

Oh come on! I'm getting sick of this "blame the union" meme regarding the auto industry problems.
Either give me facts and statistics proving exactly that the union is the main culprit, or shut up already about this.