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From NBC's First Read: NBC-WSJ GOP pollster Neil Newhouse did a post-election survey last night, and here's what he found: Just 12% of those surveyed believed Palin should be the GOP's new leader; instead 29% of voters said Romney, followed by 20% who say Huckabee. Among GOPers, it was Romney 33%, Huckabee 20% and Palin 18%. Look for more from this survey later today. TrackBackListed below are links to weblogs that reference Palintology: Just 12% Want Her As Nominee In '12? (Only 18% Of GOPers?):
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My money is on Jindal -- solid conservative, highlights inclusive, diverse side of party. Of all places to win, he won in Louisiana as an Indian American, that is nothing short of amazing. 
As a democrat, I'd like to see the GOP trot out Palin over and over, however as an American, I think she needs to just go back to Alaska and obsurity. Please. And take Joe the Plumber with her.
More than 1.5 million folks visited AK last summer. Next to oil extraction and fed handout driven construction, it’s the best thing that AK has going for it. A 3K handout from Palin is nice, but it won’t get the B&B owners, fishing guides, bush pilots, and restaurant owners through the winter.
This doesn't surprise me at all. Despite the fact there was a woman on the GOP ticket, 56% of women voted for Obama according to the current exit poll results. That's up 5% from '04. That's huge, and I have to believe part of this swing has something to do with Palin. Most women I know---even Republican women---are not big fans of Ms. Palin to put it mildly. By the way, women made up 53% of voters this year (men 49%).
That's really very encouraging, especially in contrast to that poll wherein a substantial majority of the electorate said the GOP needed to be more centrist, and a slim majority of the GOP said their whole problem was being too moderate. If Romney goes back to being a social moderate/fiscal conservative he'd be an encouraging leader. Huckabee is the not-angry face of evangelical voters, one not seen much since the arrival of the Palin.
Watch Jindal... He actually knows something about health care and education, two areas of focus in his career. These, and other kitchen-table issues, are areas where the GOP will need to present a coherent vision. And most importantly, he can COMMUNICATE... unlike the current GOP presidential candidate and President.
I would bet on Jindal too. He has Bush and Palin's social conservatism, except he's actually intelligent and competent. That's why he scares the crap out of me -- I think he would be an effective President, but he would undo a lot of the progress we've made on social tolerance and scientific understanding.
Assuming a non-disastrous Obama presidency, why on earth would Jindal run in 2012? Obama would have all of the advantages of incumbency, there wouldn't be Democrat-fatigue yet, Jindal's young and there is no VP heir apparent to run in 2016.* It seems to me that the best play by far is for him to lay low for eight years. If -- as I suspect will be the case -- 2012 is seen as a lost election for Republicans, the smart move for the party would be to run a flaming wingnut theocrat (Palin or Huckabee), have them lose in a massive landslide, and then tell that part of the base that they had their chance and fall in line in 2016. * By the way, does anyone else think that the smart move for Dems in 2012 would be for Biden to choose not to seek reelection as VP, and then have Obama select an heir apparent as the new VP?
I am relieved to see that Sarah Palin is only favored by 12%. How does a person get into a mindset that allows for that kind of gratuitous excess when the country is in such economic distress?! It was only a matter of time before she started sporting a tiara.
I suppose Jindal could lay low in 2012, but why would he? Especially if the party establishment drafts him. It's not like he's a shoo-in in 2016. Incumbency is a powerful thing, but that's offset by the fact that America remains center-right. If the Nascar dad and soccer moms became proxies of past elections, it is clear that the upscale, Northern Virginia voter is this year's defining electorate. The GOP needs to keep these voters in VA and Colorado, and what better to have a Rhodes-Scholar policy wonk who happens to be Asian American to get at those voters. And he's Roman Catholic to boot (which should help him in those rust-belt states; White Catholics barely went for McCain). This all of course assumes that nothing disastrous happens, which as the recent Bush presidency has demonstrated, events matter.
I feel a Romney/Jindal ticket would be unstoppable. I think we conservatives looking back (20/20 here) that the economy was what killed McCain at the time and the results would have been vastly different had Romney been the nominee. Romney also had foreign policy and extensive contacts around the world. As an Arizonan, I wholeheartedly supported the ticket this year but Romney was my original choice. He has to be the frontrunner in 2012 IF he wants the job. Romney will still be revelant because look what this socialist is going to do our economy.
"By the way, women made up 53% of voters this year (men 49%). Hmmm - 53+49=102. So 102% of the voters were either men or women? Talk about your fuzzy math.
The Romney Wing must emerge the clear leader of the Republican Party if its to regain its composure and appeal any time soon. We have some great young talent in this school, namely Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor. Bobby Jindal would be another of these. The sensible, businesslike, civil manner of being must rise to the top and there isn't a figure more fitting to lead us back through our reconstruction than Mitt Romney. He's the only present one with the stature, organisation, and communication skills to orchestrate the recovery. We cannot have any degree of incivility be it Palintology or Huckabean culturalism if we're going to be relevant. In other words we cannot be a party that is going to give cultural nods or ideological preferences to people who are close-minded, record-inadequate or devisive by manner.
Yes I see a lot of people advocating for Romney/Jindal in 2012. That may be the case--I haven't examined Jindal too closely yet, but he is one of the 3 names of our young guns who I'm hopeful for (Cantor and Ryan being the others I mentioned in my previous post here). Personally I'd like a Romney/Petraeus 2012 ticket (or Petraeus/Romney for that matter), but who knows if the General would ever want to be dragged into politics. We'll see how good a job Obama does and what the conditions of the nation are like in 2 and a half years and see whose strengths would be best served to run. I'm fairly certain no one will pop up who is more capable than Mitt Romney as he's easily, in my eligible-to-vote adult lifetime (I voted for 1996 Perot, 2000 Bush, 2004 Bush, 2008 Nobody), the most impressive and accomplished person to be considered for the Presidency, so I'll be working to get him on the ticket if he should run again in 4 years.
To "Boycott Alaska": seriously? You would seek to destroy an entire state because its governor was picked by her party's nominee to run for national office? Put the hate pipe down and get a life. Yeesh.
Out of the most disappointing things about this election, it is probably Palin's unpreparedness, but not even that was what lost McCain the race. Out of the 4 candidates, Palin was the only one with executive experience, and 2 years as governor compared to Obama's 143 recorded days as a senator, she is clearly the smarter choice (plus she has the record too). In my view those interviews are really the only thing that killed her off, and by 2012 she'd be an excellent choice for either VP or Prez (if her publicity now hasn't sentenced her to a life of public obscurity by then). Bobby Jindal would be an excellent candidate for 2012, and from the looks of it right now he appears to be a younger version of Palin, plus he has 4 more years to work on his reputation. I think any combination of Romney and Jindal/Palin would be unbeatable. And just to 1-UP the Dems I think Palin/Jindal or Jindal/Palin would be a surefire win ;)
I like Romney and he would have been my first choice. But after seeing this election, can you imagine what a liberal press would do to a Mormon? In March I didn't think that way. But after seeing this, I am convinced they would try to completely destroy the man through his religion. It is the one stereotype that is still permissible.
of all the discussions I have had about Sarah Palin with people I have only run into 2 people who knew she was the head of the Alaska oil and gas commission and absloutley no one who knew anything about the Point Thompson gas field and her role in taking the leases there back from Exxon and Conoco. some of us who have been following energy for more than the last 2 months have seen Miss Sarah at work for a number of years.most of the rest of yall are either uninformed, or sadly misinformed. Anyone ever heard of the interstate Oil & Gas commerce compact, anyone else here know what Governor Palin does on that commission ? If you want to make a valid comment, educate yourself. Governor Bobby Jindal, govnr' Mitt Romney those fellows are fine folks too and there are plenty others I cant mention or dont even know. everyone has strengths, everyone has weaknesses. Thats why so many human endeavors can only get done by team effort. Can we quit kneecapping our other team members just to make some personal points for our own particular favorite ?
Mark_0454 said "can you imagine what a liberal press would do to a Mormon?" Mark, we don't have to imagine... we've already seen it during Romney's 2008 campaign. What's more, look at the media war that's been waged in California over Prop 8. Mormons getting unfairly dragged through the mud all over the place. And yet, Prop 8 looks like it will be a win. The MSM doesn't always succeed in derailing its targets. Romney's already been through the ringer on the subject of Mormonism. And yet, here we are talking about him for 2012.
Sparky, I think that what you have seen so far is nothing compared to the stupidity and bigotry you would see if Romney actually became the Presidential candidate. It would be open season.
"By the way, women made up 53% of voters this year (men 49%). Hmmm - 53+49=102. So 102% of the voters were either men or women? Talk about your fuzzy math. Posted by Tim | November 5, 2008 2:40 PM That extra 2% Tessa came up with are the voters that ACORN produced. (fictional characters, dead people, etc.) I think Palin would be an excellent choice for the GOP in the future. She would certainly be a better candidate than Joe the Biden.
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Who are the yahoos seriously suggesting huckabee?
Posted by sam | November 5, 2008 10:36 AM